In a video statement, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu called the growing MAGA conspiracy a ‘monstrous big lie.’
Israel formally states it did not kill Charlie Kirk
https://www.theverge.com/policy/781158/benjamin-netanyahu-charlie-kirk-conspiracy
https://www.theverge.com/policy/781158/benjamin-netanyahu-charlie-kirk-conspiracy
In a video statement, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu called the growing MAGA conspiracy a ‘monstrous big lie.’
135 Comments
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 266 pts · 338d
What an odd thing to formally state.
alquicksilver@lemmy.world · 138 pts · 338d
I feel like I would suspect them less if they hadn't said anything. Most of Israel's formal statements regarding allegations of Israeli violence are lies, so what would make this statement different?
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 338d
Even more importantly… maga is never gonna let that bone go.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 338d
This has "OJ Simpson book" energy
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 8 pts · 338d
Well, he was white and almost as much of a Nazi as them.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 338d
Eh, there was "evidence" (a third-party tweet) that Kirk was worried about being killed by Israel shortly before his death.
It's not like this came out of nowhere.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 338d
He was a raging antisemite. Of course a raging antiemetic whack job would be concerned about them killing him.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 26 pts · 338d
Wait, antisemite definition one 'hates Jews' or antisemite definition two 'thinks Palestinians are people'? Definition one has nothing to fear.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 338d
The original, actual, sense.
He’s a white supremacist. He hated anyone who isn’t white. He’s said some pretty horrific things about Jews, even if he’s nominally okay with an Israeli state (because fascists of a feather…)
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 338d
Right; they love people who hate Jews. Why the fuck would they kill him?
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
I dunno.
They didn't ask me if they should.
(and the only- and I mean only- reason I'd be inclined to say they did kill Kirk was because they just let everyone know they most certainly did not kill him.)
There's a funny babylon 5 clip here. the backstory is that her boss, Captain Sheridan, asked her to slip in that nothing happened in sector 83x9x12. She balked saying that her thing not being propaganda. She gives in, because in point of fact nothing happened, at all. He also did other things like having a fleet of ships move around and shoot random rocks in quiet spaces... all because he was trying to get a cantankerous group of allied worlds (ironically named, "league of non-allied worlds"...) to sign a thing bringing them into a more formal alliance. These worlds saw the whites stars shooting at the rocks, saw the announcement, and were like "White stars don't shoot at nothing! there must be an enemy we can't see!" (and then handed him everything he wanted.)
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 338d
Wait, Jews aren't white?
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 338d
"White" is an ever-moving target, dancing on the whims of whether the suit-and-tie-wearing white guy thinks he can get you to build him a railroad.
So, the answer is yes and no.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
According to Charlie Kirk? Nope.
For white supremacists it’s not really about skin color (well, some might actually be that stupid,) but rather about culture, and their culture being “special”
Keep in mind, 19th century people saw them as a distinct race, and Kirk’s views (as well as, for example hitler’s) stem from that.
To be clear, Kirk and his ilk are assholes with a very backwards view of the world.
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 7 pts · 338d
Definitely 1. Is position over Israel and Palestine seems to have been all over the place. There are videos of him saying Netanyahu is lying about Gaza, and he we was firmly against Israel's attack on Iran, but then he would also say absurd stuff like there's no starvation in Gaza.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 338d
Okay. So he was anti-zionist-state but pro genocide?
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 338d
Bro was a Christofascist. He hated everything that wasn't a white Evangelical Christian male.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 338d
Thats not true. I'm sure he liked his dog. She wasn't male.
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 3 pts · 338d
He positioned himself as a zionist but also said disturbing antisemitic crap all the time. From the few videos I watched his positions seemed to be similar to the israeli hostage families' groups but he sprinkled some actual antisemitic tropes when criticising the Israeli government.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 338d
Zionists hate Jews, so it probably balanced out. I wonder why they killed him?
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 338d
Kirk was very much exactly the opposite of that...
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 338d
They do so many (illegal) international assassinations, it's good to clarify
See also Mossad
Gladaed@feddit.org · 2 pts · 338d
Probably some quirk of Trump's personality being catered to.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 107 pts · 338d
I didn't suspect they had any involvement before, but now I have some doubts... 🤔
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 338d
Charles himself said about 6 months ago that he was worried Israel would try to harm him because about a year ago he stopped supporting them over the genocide, so this isn't out of absolutely nowhere. My guess is that it was just a dogwhistle.
The fact that Israel is actually saying it, however? Like... Aight. If they said nothing I would have continued to disregard it, but Israel's statements are around the same credibility level as Russia's, so I kind of have to give credence to the possibility that the exact opposite of what they say is true...
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 338d
I think this means we're at the stage where he's decided it makes more sense to list off all the crimes he's not doing.
List complete.
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 338d
Shoplifting. Feeding the homeless. Sleeping in his car.
The ones cool people do.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
He does the first and last out of spite rather than necessity and satisfies the middle by adding "to dogs" at the end.
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
Oh come on! He did nit eat my nut either!
Wait… WHERE IS MY NUT????
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
Damn you Bibi!
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 338d
Eww, clean after yourself when you nut
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
hysterical pregnancy? is that even a crime? what kind of list is this
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 74 pts · 338d
I had zero reasons to suspect Israel in this, but now there is one
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 338d
I hope that people aren't really taking this too seriously as a reason to suspect Israel. There was a LOT of chatter saying that they killed him, by the Nazis of course. A dominant narrative on /pol/ is basically that Kirk got in bed with the Jews and now he's paid the price for trusting them.
From the standpoint of your average left-leaning person, Israel making a statement like this seems completely out of the blue and makes them look really guilty. But there's a whole demographic of people who really think that they did it. I don't think it's too unreasonable that they would make a statement about it. And let me be clear. I absolutely hate Israel with all my heart. But there are plenty of events in this world that they are not responsible for.
More importantly, this seems dangerously close to reasoning like: "You wouldn't defend yourself against these accusations unless they were actually true!" Which is definitely not a good bar to set.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 338d
Do things ever go any other way over there? 🙄
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 338d
Sometimes the blame falls on a non-Jew minority group!
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 338d
Like immigrants! Or black people! Or trans people!
I miss the days when 4chan acted as the fucking quarantine for most of the nazi bullshit on the internet.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
He did get in bed with them (verifiable TPUSA funding money), as most extreme-right do.
Problem is he turned on them recent months speaking out against their influence over the US and even the genocide.
That's a no no, they didn't take it well and were pretty pissed.
coffee_nutcase207@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
I was aware of the theory. It's sketchy though that they feel the need to say they did something that should be obvious they didn't. Unless they know they are guilty and feel the need to defend them selves.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 338d
I suppose. But if hundreds of people started accusing you of being a secret space alien, you might one day feel the urge to say "listen everyone, I am not an alien, I am a human". It's pretty messed up if people hear you say that and go "hmmm exactly what an alien would say tbh"
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
There's a separate conspiracy mostly on Instagram that asserts he was wearing a titanium breastplate and the shooting was meant to be staged like Trump's, but the bullet accidentally ricocheted off the breastplate.
I doubt it tbh but who knows. We have extremely unreliable evidence, eg the text messages that seem manufacturered.
moubliezpas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
I hope people in general don't take anything Benjamin Netanyahu takes seriously, whether it's to immediately believe him or to immediately disbelieve him.
The man is a prick, every word he says is the kind of politically sensitive thing that's literally always reported with some bias, and more importantly, politicians don't make statements because they are committed to keeping random citizens half way around the world informed of the entire truth.
That's not their job. Even your own politicians are not newsreaders or your personal oracles, they speak to the public in order to fulfil their duties moving the country in a particular direction.
So yes, obviously, if a politician says 'yo this thing is now illegal so don't do it', probably take it seriously. Don't fall into the trap of thinking cynicism is any wiser than credulousness, it isn't.
But also don't seriously assume you've uncovered state secrets because Benjamin Bloody Netanyahu made a pubic statement that you, personally, have seen the truth behind. That's flat out deranged.
With the disclaimer - yeah no, I also did the whole 'weirdly specific denials are rarely as reassuring as one might think' because let's be honest, the world is a shit show and politics is a burning circus and it's nice to laugh at a foreign weirdo leader now and again as a nice little break from weeping at my own.
philosloppy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 338d
floo@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 334d
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 62 pts · 338d
Makes sense, they're reaching the point where it's more efficient to list the people they haven't killed.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 338d
For the record, I can believe that Israel has managed to bomb everything in Gaza except Hamas.
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 338d
That's true they don't kill nazis; Israeli snipers only shoot babies in the skulls and eyes:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/S_p63wypjSc
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/z_CDsj6C7hM
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 338d
It’s crazy how that’s the least evil way the IDF murders children, they also target their genitals
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/malnutrition-surge-gaza-snipers-target-heads-legs-genitals/
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -9 pts · 338d
If you linked to an article from a reputable source, I'd give you an upvote
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Guys please don't reply to him. You do your own research or go live with yourself
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 338d
Research doesn't involve watching YouTube shorts
Baked86@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 337d
Found the genocide loving zionazi. Btw have you got a reputable source for the holocaust?
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 337d
I literally worked in Palestine, putting my life on the line to document war crimes committed by the IOF, you ass.
You found someone who cares about credibility.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 48 pts · 337d
Somehow this makes me suspicious when previously I had no thoughts on it lmao
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 337d
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/15/bill-ackman-israel-intervention-charlie-kirk/
rustyfemboy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 47 pts · 338d
The "I didn't kill Charlie Kirk" shirt has a lot of people asking questions which are answered by the shirt.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 338d
Fingers crossed for the Streisand effect.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 338d
Confirmed: When I read this headline I thought "uhhh kinda weird; who asked?"
Qanon. Of course Qanon asked.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 338d
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The murder of Charlie Kirk continues to benefit some of the most powerful individuals and banks with ties to Epstein.
The Senate called for this investigation hours before he was killed
So if anybody was paying attention to that right now instead of the threats of civil war, that would mean that people would be looking at the relationship between Epstein and individuals like Netenyahu, Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and Peter Thiel, as well as the banks that helped fund them like JP Morgan, BNY, Bank of America and Deutsche Bank.
Or at least, people would be noticing the Republicans have voted 3 separate times to block this investigation starting on the day Kirk was killed.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 38 pts · 338d
What an oddly specific denial...
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 338d
Incidentally, why don't we all play with the same truthiness ruleset?
Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the hit on Charlie Kirk.
We know with certainty that Donald Trump did not order the hit, as he'd be bragging about it.
TallonMetroid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
Do we really, though? I don't trust El Taco to remember what he's wearing at the moment, let alone whether or not he ordered a hit.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 338d
I guess he draws the line at innocent, hungry children. What a saint
Outlawstar@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 338d
Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 338d
He left behind a wife and two kids. That's how we know Israel didn't do it.
Stolen from here
BTW, Netanyahu having to deal with actual antisemites peddling conspiracy theories sounds a lot like the boy who cried wolf
Hector@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
Being against isreal is not bigotry so save your actual bias for someone that can be trusted to be honest abput it.
markko@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 337d
Being anti-Israel is not the same as antisemitism, but I believe the previous comment was referring to the actual Nazis who were spreading the Israel-Kirk theory.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 337d
This is what I was referring to. Could have phrased it better.
lazyViking@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
No, it was incredibly obvious
Hector@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
Israelis are a type of actual nazi and not a legitimate source of whom are nazis.
They are openly aligned with literal classic nazis and all the new kinds. Of course they would lie about the motive of anyone accusing them.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
He turned against them and lately dared to speak out on their power over the US and even their genocide.
This while at first he was made big with zionist money and now refused further payment.
He got a lot of criticism from even worse people than himself, like Fuentes and rich zionists demanding he fall back in line.
That is not "Nazis who were spreading the Israel-Kirk theory" but simple facts
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 338d
This is going to make the conspiracy nuts latch on even harder. You just Streisanded yourself, dumbass.
ps: The American right wing hates Jews almost as much as they hate Muslims.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 338d
I'm not right wing, I'm not antisemitic, and I never liked Charlie Kirk.
Still think there's a good chance Netenyahu was involved in his death. I don't believe he acted alone though. Hours before he was killed the house and the Senate tried to investigate connections between Epstein, big banks like JP Morgan, Netenyahu, Elon Musk, and others. Republicans in the House and Senate blocked it and barely anyone noticed bc suddenly Charlie Kirk was assassinated and a bizarre series of incidents allowed the killer to get away.
Trump immediately began calling for war on the left and Elon Musk suddenly went on his white supremacy world tour.
The investigation into the suspect has been botched as fuck, and they claim that they had a note he wrote confessing to the murder but it was destroyed.
The House voted again yesterday and again Republicans blocked a subpoena of big banks involved in this connection. And once again barely anybody noticed bc the Trump admin is still distracting with war on the left avenging Charlie Kirk's murder (which they most likely helped carry out).
Kirk was rumored to have refused to accept money from Israel, but he also had been one of the few right wing propaganda outlets who backtracked after making the statement that he wouldn't talk about Epstein. He made the statement then after backlash from his fans he said he would keep covering it.
There were several powerful individuals that would have been very angry at him and also needed a big distraction right around the time he was assassinated. The question is who actually gave the order for the go ahead? Who orchestrated it and who sent who to carry it out?
P.s.: I love Jews and I love Muslims. I hate corrupt governments and individuals that use entire groups of humans as a scapegoat to distract from their own evil bullshit. We used to call people that did that Nazis.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 338d
And was it a lucky coincidence? Were witches involved to spell the assassination out in scary-looking sticks?
You know that some people distantly benefiting from something doesn't mean that they orchestrated it, right?
Yeah, because the right knows not to waste a tragedy.
But also, they were already doing that. They've been calling for war on the left, like, since before Trump took the presidency again. Kirk has barely upped the temperature from the insane shit they were saying a month ago.
Infrapink@thebrainbin.org · 11 pts · 338d
And a big part of why they support Israel so much is that it's a way to get all the Jews out of America.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 338d
As Netanyahu's open love for Charlie Kirk shows, Christofascim exists to direct hate towards Muslims. Replacement theory is about not letting Judeo-Christian "foundation of America" (1776, really?) get diluted by muslims and other ethnicities hatred of supremacists by their declaration of war in producing non-conforming future voters.
Anti semitism is the greatest tool for Zionist supremacist hate groups, like the ADL or Bill Ackman, to get a pretense for media airtime in which to advocate for genocide.
Proud boys members came to CA University protests in order to bash anti-genocide protestors. Hatred that is more focused on muslims than jews is the goal of Zionist supremacism, and the hatred of Jews, extremely useful to convincing simpletons that victimhood deserves their supremacism.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 338d
I didn't think they had anything to do with it until this.
Netanyahu made a couple of social media posts about it when it happened, but there's now not really another sensible reason why the PM of a random country cares about an American podcaster so much.
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 338d
I can't tell if you're being serious or not
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
The more the Netanyahu reacts to this the more he shows where his head is at.
The PM of a different country is placing a lot of importance on what was before, just seen as an American podcaster by the mainstream.
This coupled with his "if I go down the global right goes down with me" post he made last week just makes it even more sus IMO
Hector@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
Did he give thinly veiled threats to release their blackmail?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
well i didn't until i read this headlineme neither fuckin smudge lenses
spirinolas@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 338d
Holy shit, they killed Charlie Kirk??!
I never even considered Israel could be responsible. Very nice of Netanyahu to clear that up.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 338d
"Because charlie kirk was an adult"
-bibi Netanyahu probably
Fandangalo@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 338d
Joplin@lemmings.world · 18 pts · 337d
Sus
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 338d
What an odd thing to say...
Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 337d
What an odd thing to say.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 337d
Watching Israel cosy up to the far right is like watching someone free themselves from a bear trap, reset it, and start running straight at it again
HubertManne@piefed.social · 15 pts · 338d
well coming from such a genuine stand up kind of guy who never does evil things. no sir. yeah I can totally trust this is true.
foggianism@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
Every time he tells a lie, his ears grow slightly.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 338d
Seems racist
incompetent@programming.dev · 0 pts · 337d
Big ears is a racial trait? Today I learned something new.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 336d
It is in the racist caricatures of Jewish people for at least 100yrs now because it is a common racist thing to say about them.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 338d
Ok, didnt ask.
pyre@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 338d
damn, i didn't think they did until they said they didn't. one thing i know is that they can't tell the truth
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
If they hadn't then there is no reason to declare this.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Entirely possible they didn't have him killed, but that doesn't mean they didn't lose control over the monsters they've made.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 338d
This sounds exactly what someone who did kill Charlie Kirk would say. /s
Real talk y'all, I didn't even really think to entertain that conspiracy until this.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 338d
we're at the point where NothingYahWho has to list who he didn't kill last week.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 337d
So….? They did?
Well we know it wasn’t Russia since no windows were involved.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 336d
Did anyone check the bullet for polonium? They might have just been trying out a new delivery method
Dasus@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 337d
Big Lie you say?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
40 beheaded raped babies in ovens!
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 338d
Nothing strange here.
It's just like the formal declaration we all made as individuals, to deflect suspicion from ourselves.
Totally normal.
tourist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
He begins his declaration by quoting Joseph Goebbels
That was very necessary I guess
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 338d
Not sure why Israel would do that...not smart enough to come with a creative reason...but, damn, I'm a little suspicious now
devedeset@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 338d
Somewhere in Iran a propaganda operative is sitting proud
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 338d
Surely you mean Qatar?
devedeset@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 337d
Honestly probably both at this point
Rudee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 338d
People, i know his goons gun down children in Gaza on the regular, but if you read the article it explains that several maggats have been accusing him of having a grudge against Kirk for his recent opposition to the aforementioned gunning down of children.
TLDR: He's not saying it out of the blue. People have been accusing him
Ging@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 338d
Everyone's taking the 'what an odd thing to feel obligated to announce at all' view/reaction
Does anyone else have an internal critic that starts also screaming "wait, they also know everyone can't react any other way--are they banking on us being unable to let go of the numerous suspicions that will continue to live rent-free in our minds for days?"
I know I'm being paranoid, but please someone help bring me back down to a level-headed take on this matter I beg you!
shalafi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
You're being paranoid. On this matter. Calm your tits. Hope that helps.
Yes, there was a ludicrous conspiracy theory that Israel took him out. This is a genocidal nation-state leader calling bullshit. It's bullshit. You tits. Calm them.
Pot8o@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 338d
mkwt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 338d
Charlie Kirk was supposed to be of the maga faction that supported Israel. Why would Bibi want to whack him?
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 338d
He was going anti Israel for a little while
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 338d
I guess now we need to figure that out.
klu9@piefed.social · 6 pts · 338d
In other news, Hamas formally states it was not using Charlie Kirk as a human shield, Israeli strike totally unjustified.
jenings@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 337d
Well I’m convinced
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 338d
It's clear that Zionist supremacism was a central issue in the murder. Netanyahu's absurdity statement proves it.
There are 2 wings of Christofascism. The dominant Zionist first, Judeo-Christofascism, and the obvious alternative of Groyper/Fuentes concern that Israel first rule over America feels wrong. Qatari funding to be against Zionist supremacist rule over America is simply not needed to understand that Israel first means Americans last.
Robinson, if he did it, seemed to be of Groyper wing of Christofascim. Kirk distancing himself from Ackman's Zionist absolutism, would make sense for Kirk's credibility even if devoted, as Netanyahu confirms, to Zionist supremacism rule over America. Kirk simply cannot be as demonic as Ackman on genocide and absolutist rule, and have his audience take him seriously.
It's not as though the US is going to investigate Ackman, Trump and anti-Mamdani mega donor, for any role in this, anymore than they let the dancing Israelis "there to document the event" flee the US after 9/11.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 338d
oh, please get a life.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 338d
You must hate people who know about things and think about things. Do puzzles scare you?
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 338d
Charlie Kirk was very pro-Israel most of his career, but lately he had been turning against Israel. It is consistent and beliavable that Israel had him killed.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 338d
Believable except for the part where there is zero evidence
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 338d
Israel is famous for assassinating people across the world. It is consistent with the Israeli MO.
vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 338d
It's literally not though. Israeli MO is a .22 to the back of your head as you let the dog take a piss.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
no you see the thing is, it's the lack of evidence that's so convincing. only someone so cunning could remove all evidence of it happening. that's how we know it's... who we scapegoating?
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 338d
Is this the sound of a bunch of chickens, coming home to roost?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
Israel admits they helped radicalize the right wing shooter.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 338d
Well there goes the Republicans plan to label Tyler as part of Hamas.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 337d
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 338d
It's Bibi flexing muscles in the most inappropriate way once again. Almost like a brand account posting a deeply unfunny meme joke but said account is for an international spy/terrorist network.
But young person being afraid of getting mossad'ed for his internet posting for a long period of time and not getting any (medical) attention is the centerpiece of that story, not the eventual snap, and not even a backlash we see in the media now. There are a lot of these neglected and driven insane dudes that fash chaotically nurtured with no understanding of how to manage them, or even care, more likely hoping they'd ride the wave. Well, Shapiro canceled his appearance right after the event, and the whole martyr thing is probably also because they want to retarget such shooters from now on, exaggerating how it's wrong to harm exactly them, not the other side, assuming there is still more to come and being afraid of how indiscriminate these attacks would be. Seizing the opportunity is one thing, but I do find they geniunely weren't prepared for what they wished into existence.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 338d
So they did, huh?
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 338d
Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel will actually have to live with whatever the consequences of their actions with the US and the rest of the world are in the longterm, so the whole striving towards a "Supersparta" definitely makes sense. Israel is superfluous to the authoritarian regime change Trump is bringing in.
Ougie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
I only have a vague idea of what Kirk stood for so can someone please explain why anyone would think that Israel killed him? Wasn't he a Trump supporter - and by extension a supporter of Israeli policy?
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 338d
It's because supposedly he changed his views on Israel, and Netanyahu confirmed he invited Charlie to Israel to discuss this like a week or two before Charlie died and said he was changing his mind again.
Candace Owens (yarf) has acted emotional about this, there's rumors she was having an affair, or her husband and Charlie were having an affair and she didn't know but was close to him from that. There are also other rumors about Charlie hooking up with men. Anyway, Candace Owens is primarily the one pushing the anti-Israel stuff and that Netanyahu killed him.
Remembering that she is owned by Russia, it could be that she is just stirring up drama while Russia starts fucking with Poland and Romania and NATO
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 337d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 338d
let me get this cued up for when green comments:
