FBI Warns of Criminals Posing as ICE, Urges Agents to ID Themselves

https://www.wired.com/story/fbi-warns-of-criminals-posing-as-ice-urges-agents-to-id-themselves/

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thoughtfuldragon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 217 pts · 300d (1 reply)

Oh my nobody could have seen this coming. (Sarcasm)

CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 299d

People were calling it from day 1. I'm surprised it took this long for the FBI to come out with a statement... although...

boydster@sh.itjust.works · 136 pts · 300d (1 reply)

Take off the masks, you fucking cowards

Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d

I guess they don’t want people harassing them at home.

They also see no irony in that at all sadly.

Quexotic@infosec.pub · 126 pts · 300d (6 replies)

Criminals posing as US immigration officers have carried out robberies, kidnappings, and sexual assaults in several states,

I'd need to see some exceptionally compelling evidence to be convinced they weren't actually just ICE officers doing this.

And later in the story...

A senior ICE official tells WIRED: “Anyone caught impersonating themselves as a federal immigration agent will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Impersonating a federal immigration officer endangers public safety and erodes trust in law enforcement.”

Only the bootliquors still have any trust remaining. Fucking trust. Lol

ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 299d (1 reply)

I worry that they'll claim wearing a mask is "impersonating a federal immigration officer", especially when it's bad enough the protests happen in earnest.

Quexotic@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 299d

Shhhhh! Don't give those fuckers any ideas!

rayyy@piefed.social · 18 pts · 299d (1 reply)

We've reached a point where lawlessness is being championed by both the law and criminals. Add to that we have elected a felon/pedophile president. What a time to be alive - sigh.

Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d

What gets me is that the bothsiders are still screeching about the situation they helped get everyone into.

Nuance, reality and pragmatism be damned.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 299d

agreed its too suspicious they are not ice, they would doing it in red areas to, which they arnt.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d

They're doing their best.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 104 pts · 300d (14 replies)
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Kolanaki@pawb.social · 44 pts · 300d

Win win even if they're the real deal

CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 300d (12 replies)

You can only win a gun fight if you have superior numbers and firepower. Otherwise it's just certain death for the assaulted.

We need to bring back the concept of a citizen militia.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 21 pts · 300d (7 replies)

Drones and payloads. Guns are last century.

general_kitten@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 299d (2 replies)

making guncotton at home is not that hard but then i remembered its US so you can probably go buy gunpowder by the gallon from your local walmart or something

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 17 pts · 299d

You joke, but yes you can.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 299d

2 gun stores are closer than walmart why would i go to the box store

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d (3 replies)

Yeah. Having watched a good amount of Ukraine footage I now flinch whenever I hear buzzing sounds. We are going to have a generation of people afraid of the open air.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 299d (2 replies)

Republicans better think about inside only events. No one even needs line of sight.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Both sides will have to.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 299d

Well, public opinion won’t favor blowing up people in blow up costumes dancing on the roadside. 🙃

discosnails@lemmy.wtf · 6 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Disagree, initiative and proper cover can really even the odds. Ymmv.

krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 299d

High tech lasers from the future also help a lot.

Doubly so if they're supported by omniscient kill orbs from the orb wars of 3725.

arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 299d

Community engagement needed

WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 298d

A half dozen people in every neighborhood ready to roll on ICE as soon as they show up would force a new conversation pretty fucking quick.

Kellenved@sh.itjust.works · 100 pts · 300d (7 replies)

Organized gangs finally had their lightbulb moment?

adespoton@lemmy.ca · 66 pts · 300d (4 replies)

Well, that assumes “organized gang” and “ICE” are mutually exclusive….

100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 18 pts · 300d

Don't trash "organized gangs", they're better at what they do than ICE

Kellenved@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 300d

They’re actually just taking their cue from the biggest gang

chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 15 pts · 299d (1 reply)

In Cyberpunk, the NCPD is basically just another gang. More organized than the Valentinos or Tiger Claws, but pretty much the same by the end of the day.

In real life though, ICE seems to be a lot like a gang too. Have they pivoted to drugs and violent extortion yet? You know, if you smuggle guns and slaves, you can make a lot of money?

NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 299d

There's no way ICE hasn't been involved in illegal drug smuggling for decades. It doesn't work without corrupt people in those kinds of positions. DEA and CBP as well.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d

This civil war is going to get fucking weird.

QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 299d

More like white supremacists realized they could kidnap and kill immigrants with a lower chance of being caught.

Rhaedas@fedia.io · 72 pts · 300d

And agents who don't do this, or do other illegal acts should be dealt with. Right? Hello?

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 300d

Ice are criminals

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 54 pts · 300d

Like we’ve been saying this whole time!

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 50 pts · 299d (2 replies)

Some of them are probably real ICE.

theparadox@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 299d

Plausible deniability.

Reports of a masked ICE Agent murdering an individual filming an ICE raid, then fleeing the scene. "That wasn't an actual ICE agent. Don't worry, it's... 'under investigation' and we'll never release any information about the incident ever again."

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 299d

Aaaaannnnddd ding ding ding, you won this round!

Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 50 pts · 299d

Ice is sexually assaulting people.

Let them prove they aren’t.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca · 49 pts · 299d (13 replies)

I always thought protesters should wear jeans or tan tactical pants, boots, vest and plate ($35-50 from Amazon), a tacticool utility belt ($20-30 from amazon), helmet ($30 from amazon) a black Balaclava Ski Mask ($6), with sunglasses. On the right chest have a random ID number like "A462". Slap an American flag patch (or a Police gang patch with the blue line).

You could even throw in a functional gas mask for $50

These ICE creeps don't have a proper issued uniform. They bought their shit off amazon as well. I saw one dude who looked like he was wearing airsoft/paintball stuff.

Can you imagine the confusion if everyone dressed in tacticool? Those untrained ICE idiots would be completely lost.

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 299d (5 replies)

The JR "Bob" Dobbs mantra - "If you act like a dumb shit, they'll treat you like an equal".

buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 299d (3 replies)

Wow, I have not seen a church of the sub genius reference in almost 20 years.

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d

Wow, I have not seen a church of the sub genius reference in almost 20 years.

Well, that's probably just part of the Pink Conspiracy. They've been stealing your slack.

They just had a cool doc about them come out not that long ago. Sadly, the podcast/Hour of Slack has come to an end:

https://archive.org/details/hourofslack

The Hour of Slack was produced weekly since 1985 by REV. IVAN STANG (PO Box 807, Glen Rose, Texas, 76043, USA) -- more years than Johnny Carson or David Letterman were on the air. The show was discontinued in June, 2022; host Rev. Stang simply got burned out after 37 years of weekly shows. His hearing loss wasn't helping either.

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 299d

there was a analog horror/ARG on youtube that used some of their stuff i think its been a few years now.

bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d

Does listening to 40oz count?

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 299d

cult of bob

DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 299d

Yup.

It would be VERY easy to infiltrate them while they're out in the field. Just surround them with people looking just like them. They'd have no option but to retreat.

Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d

I would, but with my luck that would be the day everyone decides enough is enough and they start beating the dogshit out of every ice agent lol

SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d (3 replies)

And do this on Halloween so they can't arrest you for impersonating an officer either! #lifeHacks

Sorry 🤭

EDIT: Oh, wait... no, wait a minute... does the fact that they don't have an officially issued uniform really mean that technically you could argue in court that you were not impersonating an officer? That. Is. Wildly stupid of them if true.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 299d (2 replies)

As long as you had nothing on your "uniform" that said Police or had a badge of any sort, they would be hard pressed to charge you with anything. If they nabbed you, and you weren't black bagged to a blackzone and disappeared, you could always say you arrived to protest wearing a helmet, plate carrier, gas mask because of the documented law enforcement violence towards citizens. The pouches and utility belt could contain things like first aid supplies.

krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 299d (1 reply)

First aid supplies OR tiny plastic unicorns and skittles.

IndridCold@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 298d

whyNotBoth.jpg

Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d

I love this idea.

stoy@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 299d

Yeah, as everyone knew would happen when the cowards began hiding their identities and acting like a secret police on amfetamins.

drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 299d

"Warns" "urges" Yeah that'll do ot

rozodru@pie.andmc.ca · 44 pts · 299d (1 reply)

hah they're not going to ID themselves. these cowards can't even do their "jobs" without covering their faces because they're so scared.

hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 299d

Well, they're scared, but also the admin doesn't want the identities to be revealed and shown that like 90% of ICE was probably recruited straight from known neo-nazi/white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys

DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 299d (4 replies)

So we're allowed to shoot them in self defense now if they don't ID?

Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 299d

Yes, and I am shocked this hasn't already happened.

SlothMama@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 299d (1 reply)

The fact that this isn't an every day occurrence confuses the shit out of me.

WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 298d

Americans are cowards. They’re more worried about losing their shitty jobs that they hate than they are about losing their country (and with it, their shitty jobs anyway). What’s confusing?

samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 299d

Or if they do.

NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 300d

Oh, oh, I know! How about they release an app, or a website, where we can take a picture of the face of any of these Agents, and it will confirm if they're actually one or not.

On a serious note, it would be very useful to have a better system of confirming who is an actual agent or not. Something like plugging their badge number into a website and they have to confirm a daily code or similar.

drhodl@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 299d (1 reply)

This just tells me that the "real" ICE agents, are doing criminal stuff and the FBI are just getting in front of that. What did they think would happen when you give the otherwise unemployable a badge and a gun, and empower them?

SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d

I didn't think this before I read your comment but now I do. 😐

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 300d

Lol, gee I never saw this coming....

inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 299d (2 replies)

There was a difference?

Witchfire@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d (1 reply)

One is a group of despicable masked bandits who instill fear, destroy livelihoods, and operate outside the confines of the legal system

The other group are criminals

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 299d

Can we go backing to my ancestors banditry where you mug Mormons and rob trains?

ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 300d (23 replies)

Maybe they could go after the real criminals then?

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -75 pts · 300d (22 replies)
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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 300d (4 replies)

Immigration laws are civil, not criminal. Undocumented immigrants aren’t criminals.

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 299d (3 replies)
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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d (2 replies)

you saying I'm misunderstanding something doesn't make it true.

As it stands there's 2 situation in which imigration could lead to criminal charges- one is re-entering after deportation. This really doesn't happen. The other is entering at a place or time not designated. This also really doesn't happen. (The people crossing the border are being "caught" by Border Patrol officers because they sit down and wait to be caught, and then invoke their right to seek asylum. something which is legal.)

neither of these are happening. Immigration court isn't even able to try a criminal case, because immigration law is not criminal law.

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 299d (1 reply)
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FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d

You got a source on that there bullshit?

Facebook doesn't qualify. neither does twitter. Nor does the 2 Pump Chump.

Here's mine. And some more. oh look, some more

TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 31 pts · 300d (7 replies)

You comfortable with how it's being enforced currently?

SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 26 pts · 300d

Up until it personally affects them, yes, they will be. Condescendingly judgemental pricks are always too short-sighted to ever imagine they'd possibly be subject to their own bullshit hatred.

mriormro@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 299d

Historically, those who have been anti-immigration (and almost always nativist) have found themselves on the backfoot of contemporary history; choked and fetted by their own irrational hatred. Oftentimes, they've served as phenomenal kindling to their own demise.

Just another bloated body to be sloughed off.

arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 299d

Based on their brief comment history, yes. Another day, another new account to block (not yours lol).

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -47 pts · 300d (3 replies)
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BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 300d (2 replies)

Then stop whining and sign up as a Brownshirt and tell them how it's done.

And there's always room in the top if you are good at brown nosing.

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 299d (1 reply)
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BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 299d

So what I infer from this comment is that you really want to but are somehow not able, because of age, geographical location, or being 3 racoons in a trenchcoat.

rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 300d (3 replies)

No one is illegal on stolen land.

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 299d (2 replies)
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rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 299d (1 reply)

That's an absurd extrapolation. These people are productive members of society, and homelessness is a solution handled by building housing.

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 299d
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CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 10 pts · 300d (1 reply)

The moral justification for upending people's lives or worse based on the circumstances of their birth and what paperwork they've been able to complete?

Casino2306@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 299d
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idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d (2 replies)

I don’t know, and yet ice constantly fucks it up

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idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d

I have seen very little of the footage I’ve seen of ice through the media. What a weird assumption for you to make. I think they fuck it up because they’re constantly fucking it up.

Snowclone@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 299d (5 replies)

At this rate someone's going to feel legally justified to defend themselves and others with lethal force from potential criminals.

SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 299d (3 replies)

Put me on a jury, and I will let people who crush ICE go free.

theneverfox@pawb.social · 12 pts · 299d (2 replies)

If so, you should never post about it online. That's the kind of thing that jury selection software is meant to find

SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Honestly, the jury selection process is stupid. It depends on people to either live under a rock, or to lie about their character. Our jurors should be informed on the world and have opinions. Fairness achieved through witless conformity is justice by committee.

If we want better trials, getting rid of one-sided testimonials like the grand jury process, would be a much better way. It is weird how prosecutors get to put forward only their viewpoint, while the defense can't. Randomly splitting the jury in half to listen to the defense and prosecution's argument, then having each half hear the other side's story, would be a better approach IMO. That removes the first-mover advantage to story telling. Also, a 20 minute snack and drink break for each session, to remove grouchiness as a factor.

theneverfox@pawb.social · 4 pts · 299d

Our entire legal system doesn't make sense, that's not even in the top 5 gaping problems in the justice process

notarobot@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 299d

That is the problem. If they kill a criminal it will be considered self defense. If they kill an agent, it will not

Also, if they are ice and they use lethal force, ice will use lethal force too and argue it was self defense

HurlingDurling@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Criminals posing as Ice... Seems like Ice is covering for their own crimes they are committing

QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 299d

This is following the story of some men grabbed apparently by ICE. ICE has claimed to not have been doing operations in that area. It is possible these people were kidnapped by people claiming to be ICE.

fox2263@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 299d

The majority of ICE then

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 299d (1 reply)

"Criminals warn of criminals posing as criminals. Urges criminals to incriminate themselves."

Birch@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 299d

The secret ingredient is crime

PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Still surprised we haven’t seen more shoot outs. But that just goes to show how peaceful people seeking citizenship really are.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 299d

its because ice isnt targeting backwaters red areas, or states. MAGATS wouldve started shooting the moment they tried it, plus the gop would get upset over ice.

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 299d

Wow, what a great idea.

Wilco@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 299d (1 reply)

So masked ICE are likely criminals? Noted

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 299d

So masked ICE are likely criminals? Noted

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 299d (9 replies)

Well, that's all very cool.

How about ICE stop wearing those goddamned masks so they can be identified?

SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d

ICE agent takes his mask of

Me: Who the fuck is this guy?

TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 299d (7 replies)

I say we make it a general rule, antifa also has to de-mask and both sides get identified.

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 299d (1 reply)

antifa

What the fuck? Are anti-fascists going around and disappearing people?

both sides

Sigh.

drhodl@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d

both sides

It's the mating call of the Dweebish Magat Imbecile, an invasive and non protected species.

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 299d

you being bothered by anti-fascists tells me everything about you

chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 299d (1 reply)

Holy shit. You're the first right-winger I've seen on lemmy. Pathetic!

1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 299d

i've actually have seen a few today, i think they are raiding servers to spout their shit

tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d
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Lvdwsn@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d

Is the antifa in the room with you right now?

TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 299d (1 reply)

The FBI only put a bulletin warning that masked individuals might be pretending to be government agents, just now? After nine months of terrorism? How is this not seen as authoritarian move? This is like with any full blown authoritarian states where the dear leader says something vague tantamount to directing a purge. And when enough people were purged, the dear leader would then say that his goons had gone too far from his original intent and order them to stop. This is not the first time America did something similar; the red scare and the McCarthy's communist witch hunts went on long enough to tarnish people's reputation, before Harry Truman made a speech calling out what is happening as unfair to people whose reputations were ruined. The powers-that-be know what the heck their doing and the last minute "call to sanity" is to white wash their deliberate intentions.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d

Peak FBI incompetence, there were already high ranking political murders by people taking advantage of ICE masks.

demizerone@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 299d

But then Nana will know they raised a little failure of a fasciat and their immigrant wives won't make them pancakes.

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 299d (1 reply)

All ICE agents are criminals. They know this, which is why they always refuse to identify themselves.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d

When this is over I will personally punch whichever democrats decides to pardon them all or refuse to prosecute them or even fire them to "heal the nation".

Every single ICE agent belongs behind bars

Wahots@pawb.social · 14 pts · 298d

DHS has argued that agents still identify themselves while masked: “When our heroic law enforcement officers conduct operations, they clearly identify themselves as law enforcement while wearing masks to protect themselves from being targeted by highly sophisticated gangs like Tren de Aragua and MS-13, criminal rings, murderers, and rapists,” assistant secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a September statement.

If this were true, every judge, police officer and prosecutor would be dead. So no, they do not need to hide their faces. We all know why they are really hiding their faces.

Release the files.

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 300d

This is starting to sound like a 2nd amendment issue.

Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 299d (1 reply)

In my state we have the right to defend our property and that includes vehicles. So, let them try to fuck with me or my wife and see what happens. We’re homos and armed to the teeth.

krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 299d

You're my favourite kind of homogaysexual person.

LordCrom@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d

How about, like every other law enforcement agency, you can demand name and badge number, and ICE must reply. If they dont, they are not law enforcement, just masked criminals.

I mean.... bare minimum at fucking least.

SpankyDoodle@eviltoast.org · 8 pts · 299d

How about, no face masks, official uniforms with name and rank listed. They need to be spelled out who they are if they’re kidnapping people and freaking out citizens. They won’t because they know they are in danger of being exposed and isolated by friends/family or denied future employment for doing this BS (just my guess)

Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 299d

That's the first danger I thought of with masked plainclothes (secret) police who don't identify themselves. Human traffickers can put on the same getup and kidnap someone in broad daylight and people would assume they are law enforcement.

darkmogool@feddit.org · 2 pts · 298d

same, same, but different, but still the same

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 299d

This surprises exactly no one.

SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 299d

Thanks tips

unrealizedrealities@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 295d

BANG