2 or 3 days won't even register on a weekly report if people buy the products that they didn't buy after the 3 days.
Just quit using them altogether. It is inconvenient and it is more expensive but making a stand should have a price. Otherwise it would have been just a sensible decision.
Hey, remember when millions of people didn't buy anything for a single day in protest to show how much power they had and hurt the corporations in the wallets?
Remember the next day when millions of people then bought the stuff they waited a day for.
Over the last year I have changed many habits, even the way I cook, to not support these giant corps. I have always been anti-consumerous, but I've made drastic changes over the last few years to really reduce my shopping habits. It can be done. It takes a little effort at first but then you get used to it.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't use amazon and beyond a 6 month blip during covid never have. It's incredibly inconvenient so a great way to reduce my consumption.
Yeah, like, I canceled Prime nearly a year ago now and just shop elsewhere. I only buy from companies with shitty policies like these if there's no other realistic option (e.g. when something is only available on Amazon :/).
I checked a local store that said they closed their doors to the public and online orders only. Ok, I thought. I'll just order what I want and swing by. No. The order link sent me to Amazon and they only do it through them. Not even will-call it turns out. I gave up and figured I can live without it anyway.
Much better way to get rid of them: Submit a FOIA request for their data. So far many cities are simply getting rid of them to prevent that data being public
Even if the government is happy to comply with the request, the data is a powerful tool to sway public sentiment. Camera near some bars? Request the data from 1:30-2:30 each weekend morning. Near a church? Request the Sunday morning data. Whole lot of people will realize how dangerous Flock cameras are when you anonymously post lists of people doing various things to one of those neighborhood apps
Note: The government can charge "reasonable" amounts based on costs incurred complying with a FOIA request. I recommend keeping your requests narrow as a result
I'm pretty sure Target has been losing money and has even gotten a new CEO, so clearly what we've already been doing has been working. Save yourself money anyway.
We have 3 targets, they have all went way down hill in the last year. They are dirtier, less cashiers, empty shelves, bad produce, and stale bakery. They employees all seem miserable as well.
Capitalism is amoral, Millennials and younger folks think there's a way to correct for that, but there is not. Regulations have to impose our morality on it. Everything else is just marketing.
I would recommend cutting Amazon anyway. You don't realize how much useless junk you buy when it's just that easily available. I've saved so much money since I cut it.
Im not buying shit from anyone. Even my son's gift's this year will be sourced second hand and from small retailers. They made my vote woth nothing, I'm not buying their garbage landfill trash!
Asking a ton of questions, offering to sign up for things like store credit cards and then backing out at the last second or filling in the form in such a way that it won't go through. Financing a large tire purchase and backing out at the last minute. Leaving a cart full of frozen food in a low traffic area far away from the freezers on a busy day. Putting items randomly where they don't go. "Not understanding" how the self-checkout works, buying cigarettes and being shit at describing what pack you want. Getting to the checkout with a cart full of frozen food and realizing you "left your wallet at home." Splitting your bill over more than one method of payment for a single object, with the last method of payment being a gift card you know will decline. Getting to the checkout and halfway rung up, being like "oh, I forgot something I'll just be a moment" and then leaving through the garden center. Trying to pay with any coupon but one you know will work, not being aggro about it or anything, just bumbling through politely, apologizing constantly and looking embarrassed. Only purchasing things you know are loss leaders. The idea is to act like the sort of customer who already wastes their time so you don't let on that you're doing it on purpose to get at their employers, and so if they crack down on the behavior they alienate the boomers who act like that as a matter of course, only the boomers are way more rude.
And tipping generously and leaving glowing reviews for the employees and scathing reviews for management for overworking their employees. Under different names for each so management can't retaliate. And never ever do something that might negatively impact a frontline employee without also harming the company's bottom line, either directly or as opportunity cost. And absolutely never do this to a union shop.
Naturally, there's a different bespoke list for every type of retailer and every retailer in particular. And it must be done one chain at a time. You want the company to sweat in the face of competition that doesn't have you as a problem. You want them to get a reputation as the place with super long lines that's poorly organized and full of people who waste everyone's time. You want to turn them into what kmart was in the early 2000's, so that they can become what kmart is today.
EDIT: Also waste the time of other shoppers. Stand in front of high-traffic items with your cart parked so that it takes your half of the aisle from out of the middle while "making up your mind". Seasonal items are great for this if you time it right.
Another edit: And this absolutely must be organized, so that this happens with an entire movement of people against one chain.
Now imagine putting this much effort into getting someone decent elected in your congressional district. Don't make life shittier for the wage slaves who have to clean up after your stunts.
Drag shit around the store. Call and ask if they have a specific item in stock, something small and hard to inventory perfectly, so they have to go check. Accidentally drop things, make messes. Take a cart full of stuff to the front of the store and just walk away. Don't do things that can get employees disciplined, like hanging out and talking to them. Just cause general mayhem, entitled Karen level stuff, at all times within the store.
Please don't do that. You're making the lives harder for some low level service employee. The people making the decisions you are upset about will have absolutely no idea this is happening because your mad at their policies.
Any messes you make should not be gross or hazardous. And you don't have to act entitled while wasting their time. You can be polite, apologetic even if it doesn't tip your hand. They already have existing karens.
Amazon wanted to give me $46 dollars for a $250 purchase to keep it. My reason for returning is because it's broken. Why would I want to keep a broken item
If organizations want to make actual change, they need to stop it with the one-day boycotts. We shouldn't ever be giving these companies money. The longer you go without using Amazon and Target, the easier it gets.
Y’all are still shopping at these places? It’s been over a year since I last went to HD (just before I found out about their pro-Trump donations) and even longer since I shopped from Target or Amazon. Fuck all three of them.
Wouldn't a buycot make more sense? Companies losing business will just blame it on the economy. Companies performing better than their competitors would be most likely to make the correlation.
It will hurt them regardless of where they try to shift the blame. Their share prices will still drop if their earnings miss expectations.
But medium to long term you're right, and specifically people should be buying from local and small businesses as much as possible. Not just for holidays but in general. No corporations are our friends. The economy needs a rebalancing toward localism. Corporations have captured our political system. Aside from regulation and strong antitrust, our best weapon against them as consumers is to deny them our money. One of their weaknesses is that the market demands perpetual growth. Deny them that growth and feed it to small/medium-sized business and their grip on us will begin to loosen.
Of course that requires sustained mass action, not one-off boycotts, but individual choices add up to something real over time.
If we stopped spending and went on a "hunger" strike. Don't buy anything for a month. Only buy necessities food for children, the elderly, pets. And simply not buy more than that the corporations would fold over easy. We would add more stress if we stopped going to work at the same time. But what do I know?
We get each other used books and home made gifts nowadays, usually preserves and jelly and various processed goods. I don't wanna give other people expensive clutter.
That sounds great, I was gifted a make your own hot sauce kit some years ago that I never used and broke that out recently, I came up with a pretty great (imo) pineapple hot sauce that I think I'm going to be gifting haha.
I don't find that to be a particularly helpful boycott. Boycotting several large corporations like that takes a lot of effort. That's effort that can be used for more effectively directly fighting Trump
Call your representatives, protest, rally voters, etc. are far more effective with less impact on your life
Hard disagree. Corporations taking L's due to consumer choice is just about the last non-violent message we have that ever gets a response. Calling reps doesn't matter at all, and I have no idea how changing shopping habits is expected to be harder than the degree of protesting required to achieve anything.
Many of our lives are improved by ditching the abusive relationship with these giant corporations, anyway, so the idea that it's even strictly a burden is just not accurate.
82 Comments
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 278d
So continue what a lot of us were already doing?
saltesc@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 278d
Yeah but it's trendy now and will be for two or maybe even three whole days.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 278d
2 or 3 days won't even register on a weekly report if people buy the products that they didn't buy after the 3 days.
Just quit using them altogether. It is inconvenient and it is more expensive but making a stand should have a price. Otherwise it would have been just a sensible decision.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 8 pts · 278d
Hey, remember when millions of people didn't buy anything for a single day in protest to show how much power they had and hurt the corporations in the wallets?
Remember the next day when millions of people then bought the stuff they waited a day for.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 277d
This is exactly it.
Over the last year I have changed many habits, even the way I cook, to not support these giant corps. I have always been anti-consumerous, but I've made drastic changes over the last few years to really reduce my shopping habits. It can be done. It takes a little effort at first but then you get used to it.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 278d
That's exactly how I feel. I don't use amazon and beyond a 6 month blip during covid never have. It's incredibly inconvenient so a great way to reduce my consumption.
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 278d
Yeah, like, I canceled Prime nearly a year ago now and just shop elsewhere. I only buy from companies with shitty policies like these if there's no other realistic option (e.g. when something is only available on Amazon :/).
Scrawny@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 278d
I checked a local store that said they closed their doors to the public and online orders only. Ok, I thought. I'll just order what I want and swing by. No. The order link sent me to Amazon and they only do it through them. Not even will-call it turns out. I gave up and figured I can live without it anyway.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d
Also, sail the high seas.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 277d
What's an example of something you would need that you can only get on Amazon? I'm just curious
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 277d
There was a specific CPU cooler that was only sold through Amazon. Wasn't at my local computer store or any other online retailers.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 277d
Ah, thank you. I never use Amazon and I was just curious what kind of things would only be available there. A computer part makes sense.
It's not like you'd buy a CPU part constantly, but I'm kind of bummed that we don't have more seller options for things like this.
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 277d
Yeah, I wasn't very happy that I had to use Amazon for it :/
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 278d
I'm doing my part! I've boycotted them already for supporting the fascist dictator who threatened my country.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 13 pts · 278d
Let's not buy anything from them even harder!!
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 278d
I browse Amazon all the time. I add stuff to my cart and leave it for weeks. Then I delete it all.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 50 pts · 278d
All parking lots with flock surveillance systems should be boycotted, at a minimum.
https://deflock.me/
frongt@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 278d
Be a real shame if you accidentally backed into one of those camera systems and knocked it over, too.
Taldan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 277d
You'd likely have to pay for it
Much better way to get rid of them: Submit a FOIA request for their data. So far many cities are simply getting rid of them to prevent that data being public
Even if the government is happy to comply with the request, the data is a powerful tool to sway public sentiment. Camera near some bars? Request the data from 1:30-2:30 each weekend morning. Near a church? Request the Sunday morning data. Whole lot of people will realize how dangerous Flock cameras are when you anonymously post lists of people doing various things to one of those neighborhood apps
Note: The government can charge "reasonable" amounts based on costs incurred complying with a FOIA request. I recommend keeping your requests narrow as a result
Glifted@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 278d
Fuck me they're everywhere
bagsy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 278d
Dont forget all Amazon Ring cameras are part of Flock now.
Naho_Zako@piefed.zip · 36 pts · 278d
I'm pretty sure Target has been losing money and has even gotten a new CEO, so clearly what we've already been doing has been working. Save yourself money anyway.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 278d
tgt's last quarterly loss (negative net income) was over a decade ago, and it was just one quarter.
bagsy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d
We have 3 targets, they have all went way down hill in the last year. They are dirtier, less cashiers, empty shelves, bad produce, and stale bakery. They employees all seem miserable as well.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 277d
Could also be that their selection sucks now and they have nothing worth buying
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 278d
Unless the trend continues, a lot of companies take losses in a quarter where there is a new CEO, so that way they can blame it on the last guy
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 26 pts · 278d
I don't think companies ever sincerely embraced DEI: it was fashionable to gesture superficially at it to raise share value until it wasn't?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 278d
Companies go along where the social pendulum swings. Only few companies genuinely care of social progress.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 277d
Capitalism is amoral, Millennials and younger folks think there's a way to correct for that, but there is not. Regulations have to impose our morality on it. Everything else is just marketing.
Reiea@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 278d
I would recommend cutting Amazon anyway. You don't realize how much useless junk you buy when it's just that easily available. I've saved so much money since I cut it.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 277d
Im not buying shit from anyone. Even my son's gift's this year will be sourced second hand and from small retailers. They made my vote woth nothing, I'm not buying their garbage landfill trash!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 278d
I don't think a boycott is sufficient. We need to gum up the works. We need to enshittify as customers.
We need to waste employee time so they can't do things that are profitable for the company.
I've received death threats for saying this.
modus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 277d
What examples are there of wasting employee time?
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
Don't return your shopping carts.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
So be a prick to other people? We have enough of those already.
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 277d
Whoa there, Satan.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
My example was a different retailer, but:
Asking a ton of questions, offering to sign up for things like store credit cards and then backing out at the last second or filling in the form in such a way that it won't go through. Financing a large tire purchase and backing out at the last minute. Leaving a cart full of frozen food in a low traffic area far away from the freezers on a busy day. Putting items randomly where they don't go. "Not understanding" how the self-checkout works, buying cigarettes and being shit at describing what pack you want. Getting to the checkout with a cart full of frozen food and realizing you "left your wallet at home." Splitting your bill over more than one method of payment for a single object, with the last method of payment being a gift card you know will decline. Getting to the checkout and halfway rung up, being like "oh, I forgot something I'll just be a moment" and then leaving through the garden center. Trying to pay with any coupon but one you know will work, not being aggro about it or anything, just bumbling through politely, apologizing constantly and looking embarrassed. Only purchasing things you know are loss leaders. The idea is to act like the sort of customer who already wastes their time so you don't let on that you're doing it on purpose to get at their employers, and so if they crack down on the behavior they alienate the boomers who act like that as a matter of course, only the boomers are way more rude.
And tipping generously and leaving glowing reviews for the employees and scathing reviews for management for overworking their employees. Under different names for each so management can't retaliate. And never ever do something that might negatively impact a frontline employee without also harming the company's bottom line, either directly or as opportunity cost. And absolutely never do this to a union shop.
Naturally, there's a different bespoke list for every type of retailer and every retailer in particular. And it must be done one chain at a time. You want the company to sweat in the face of competition that doesn't have you as a problem. You want them to get a reputation as the place with super long lines that's poorly organized and full of people who waste everyone's time. You want to turn them into what kmart was in the early 2000's, so that they can become what kmart is today.
EDIT: Also waste the time of other shoppers. Stand in front of high-traffic items with your cart parked so that it takes your half of the aisle from out of the middle while "making up your mind". Seasonal items are great for this if you time it right.
Another edit: And this absolutely must be organized, so that this happens with an entire movement of people against one chain.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 277d
Now imagine putting this much effort into getting someone decent elected in your congressional district. Don't make life shittier for the wage slaves who have to clean up after your stunts.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 277d
Never do anything that might harm a corporation. Got it loud and clear.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
Drag shit around the store. Call and ask if they have a specific item in stock, something small and hard to inventory perfectly, so they have to go check. Accidentally drop things, make messes. Take a cart full of stuff to the front of the store and just walk away. Don't do things that can get employees disciplined, like hanging out and talking to them. Just cause general mayhem, entitled Karen level stuff, at all times within the store.
Grilipper54@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 277d
Please don't do that. You're making the lives harder for some low level service employee. The people making the decisions you are upset about will have absolutely no idea this is happening because your mad at their policies.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 277d
Any messes you make should not be gross or hazardous. And you don't have to act entitled while wasting their time. You can be polite, apologetic even if it doesn't tip your hand. They already have existing karens.
Otherwise, yeah, that's basically the gist.
modus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
I support this.
Nurgus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 277d
Buy stuff, unbox it, return it for a refund. Please only do this to big players like Amazon.
They pretend it's cheap but it's only cheap when it's a tiny percentage of their sales - the reality is returns are costly for all businesses.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 276d
Amazon wanted to give me $46 dollars for a $250 purchase to keep it. My reason for returning is because it's broken. Why would I want to keep a broken item
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 277d
Sorry, just wondering, who threatened you with death for wasting an employee's time?
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
Another user here on lemmy. Made up a whole crazy power fantasy story about getting away with killing me.
And it was for the suggestion, not for actually doing it. It needs to be organized to be effective.
DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 278d
Involuntary boycott cause no one can afford jack shit rn
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 277d
I've been boycotting these stores since the inauguration.
TBH, I've been boycotting stores in general, thanks to the pedoeconomy.
mcv@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 277d
I'm still boycotting Amazon for the poor treatment of their warehouse workers.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 277d
If organizations want to make actual change, they need to stop it with the one-day boycotts. We shouldn't ever be giving these companies money. The longer you go without using Amazon and Target, the easier it gets.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 277d
Same goes for one day protests. If you want the government to be changed it needs constant and increasing pressure.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 278d
Ironically, Prime is where The Man in the High Castle adaptation came from.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 277d
Y’all are still shopping at these places? It’s been over a year since I last went to HD (just before I found out about their pro-Trump donations) and even longer since I shopped from Target or Amazon. Fuck all three of them.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 277d
I was boycotting Amazon before boycotting Amazon was cool
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
Do they still have warehouse workers?
PeacefulForest@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 277d
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 278d
Wouldn't a buycot make more sense? Companies losing business will just blame it on the economy. Companies performing better than their competitors would be most likely to make the correlation.
marx@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 277d
It will hurt them regardless of where they try to shift the blame. Their share prices will still drop if their earnings miss expectations.
But medium to long term you're right, and specifically people should be buying from local and small businesses as much as possible. Not just for holidays but in general. No corporations are our friends. The economy needs a rebalancing toward localism. Corporations have captured our political system. Aside from regulation and strong antitrust, our best weapon against them as consumers is to deny them our money. One of their weaknesses is that the market demands perpetual growth. Deny them that growth and feed it to small/medium-sized business and their grip on us will begin to loosen.
Of course that requires sustained mass action, not one-off boycotts, but individual choices add up to something real over time.
TheMilk@lemdro.id · 8 pts · 278d
If we stopped spending and went on a "hunger" strike. Don't buy anything for a month. Only buy necessities food for children, the elderly, pets. And simply not buy more than that the corporations would fold over easy. We would add more stress if we stopped going to work at the same time. But what do I know?
bagsy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d
this is my plan as well. my actual vote doesn't seem to matter since neither party gives a shit about the working class, so im voting with my wallet.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 278d
You say that like people aren't already starting to do that, out of necessity.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 278d
The ol' ostracize as many customer demographics as possible strategy. Bold, let's see how it works out for em.
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 277d
etherphon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 276d
We need to slow the roll on the whole holiday, it's gotten absolutely insanely out of hand.
Bakkoda@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 276d
We get each other used books and home made gifts nowadays, usually preserves and jelly and various processed goods. I don't wanna give other people expensive clutter.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 276d
That sounds great, I was gifted a make your own hot sauce kit some years ago that I never used and broke that out recently, I came up with a pretty great (imo) pineapple hot sauce that I think I'm going to be gifting haha.
stinky@redlemmy.com · 6 pts · 277d
this is good practice for organizing a general strike
lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 277d
come on, target. stop this foolishness. we need each other.
but you clearly need me way more than i need you.
eva@discuss.online · 1 pts · 277d
Haven't been to Target since January and turns out I don't need them.
celeste@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 278d
Love an organized boycott!
ameancow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 276d
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 276d
I’m going to do a buy nothing Christmas
chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 276d
I don’t celebrate Christo-fascist holidays anyway, so fucking stoopid.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 277d
Yes. Boycott target and Amazon. Do all your shopping at Walmart.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 276d
coldengineering1234@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 276d
Not that absurd
Taldan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
I don't find that to be a particularly helpful boycott. Boycotting several large corporations like that takes a lot of effort. That's effort that can be used for more effectively directly fighting Trump
Call your representatives, protest, rally voters, etc. are far more effective with less impact on your life
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 277d
Hard disagree. Corporations taking L's due to consumer choice is just about the last non-violent message we have that ever gets a response. Calling reps doesn't matter at all, and I have no idea how changing shopping habits is expected to be harder than the degree of protesting required to achieve anything.
Many of our lives are improved by ditching the abusive relationship with these giant corporations, anyway, so the idea that it's even strictly a burden is just not accurate.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 277d
I'm down with this.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 277d
It’s a good start but I also think it needs to go past the holiday season to get the point across that we will not shop or use there services again.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 277d
Target has been being boycotted for a long time now and it's reflected in their sales.
MantisToboggon@lazysoci.al · 0 pts · 278d
Why do we have to toe the line while all the Democrats representing us roll over?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 278d
Boycotting pro-regime companies is not toeing the line.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 278d
Because we've cleared the extremely low bar of being better than them.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d
Because your Democratic party is right-wing.