I tend to agree. I usually claim that I can't swim, as what I do doesn't really constitute swimming, but I can stay afloat and move in a deliberate direction.
A complicating factor: Swells and bad weather make it a lot harder. But on the flipside, no matter how badly it goes, if I'm teleported back in 30s I'd just fill my lungs beforehand. I can hold my breath for much longer than that, and even if I couldn't, it would take more than 30s to die from oxygen deprivation - just make sure I have EMTs on standby for when I return.
I think you gotta be reeeeally unlucky to be eaten by something within 30 seconds of arriving.
And the chances for dangerous shore positioning are really slim because the ocean is fucking huge. I'd say chances are that you won't even be able to see land during all of those 30 second rounds. Source: I work with/on ships
I can hold my breath for 30 seconds. If I know it's going to happen I'll prepare with a full lung.
I assume I won't be sent to something like the marianas trench where the pressure either coming or going would kill me, and since after the 30 seconds I'll be dry even if I mess up and take in some seawater worst case it will be a terrible few minutes of gasping when I'm back.
Edit: I have no idea how "I won't be sent to", got turned into "intelligent" by autocorrect.
That was an autocorrect issue. I literally said "I won't be sent to" and somehow my voice to text changed it to "intelligent"
I literally meant that assuming that the rules of the game didn't mean you would be instantly killed, then you had an incredibly high chance of surviving.
You know what time it is so you could hyper oxygenate for a few minutes and be fine. 30 seconds isn’t that long and I don’t think it’s long enough to trigger the bends.
I’d do it at any survivable depths, especially since it said you’d have safety equipment, even though I’m not sure you’d need that either in 30 seconds.
I think bends only applies if you inhale compressed air at low depths and come up, because the 1L of air at -200m expands as you go up. Air you breath at sea level would compress down to nothing, which might mean that your chest cavity gets crushed, even at levels that are normally okay for divers. Rapid changes in either direction are what kills you.
30s per day of mild-to-moderate discomfort for 5 years, or working an average of 6 hours per day for virtually my entire life.
This was clearly written by someone with an intense and irrational fear of the sea. Nothing's doing shit to you in 30 seconds. Most creatures wouldn't even register your presence quickly enough to even think about doing anything.
Especially the surface of the open ocean. There's little out there compared to near land. And even if you happened to pop near a shark feeding frenzy, for 30 seconds hold your breath, let yourself sink if that happens, and just don't move at all.
As written it's just five years 365 times. The odds are very good for survival. To make it more questionable, have the owed time be five years total in your life of 30 seconds accumulated. Still the same factors apply, 30 seconds isn't a life risk. Add in the choice of extending any of these to longer than 30 seconds before the pop to use up the time. Now survival becomes questionable if you gamble too much or at the wrong time.
To make it more questionable, have the owed time be five years total in your life of 30 seconds accumulated.
Unless my math is wrong, which is super possible cuz I’m not particularly skilled with math, this isn’t possible. I just looked up seconds in a day and did a couple quick divisions (86,400 seconds in a day, divide by 30 for the number of swims, then divide by 365 for number of years it would take). So might be way off.
A single day in that arrangement appears to take almost 8 (7.89) years of daily 30-second swims. You’d never reach 5 years, it would just be a permanent condition of your life at that point. You might accumulate an entire fortnite before you die if you start very young (14 days would be 110.5 yrs).
I mean, it would be extremely possible to be exceedingly uncomfortable to dangerous.
You could end up in the middle of a group of jellyfish, on a shoreline with heavy waves crashing you against rocks, in glacial Antarctic waters, on top of barnacle-covered rocks cutting your feet, in front of a ship barreling down upon you, in an oil spill... the entire premise is that it's random. Many teleports would be safe, but any might not be.
Nods. Don’t forget you get 50 skip days. 50. I’d burn a couple of those if I was in the middle of something at end up with like 47 left.
I like swimming in the middle of nowhere. 30 seconds wouldn’t be enough for the absolute tranquility…I mean…if you weren’t in the middle of a storm, which would be also fine for 30 seconds.
I personally think the stress over not knowing and having to do it every day and trying to keep it secret too would be way worse for me than just working.
100%. I'll take my chances with the mostly empty ocean for a few years over dealing with capitalism trying to kill me for 40+ more years for the crime of being poor.
As long as it's survivable, piece of cake. Very unlikely to be eaten, freeze to death, etc in 30 seconds and if it's unbearable 50 skips. Too easy unless it's at any depth. Then it's far more likely to die. Way more volume than surface area.
There are depths of the sea where divers have to use special exotic mixes of gas because the pressure pushes gases into your bones and stuff. Divers going into and coming out of these areas have to do so very slowly. Look into saturation diving and barotrauma if this topic is interesting. But the gist is, if you're getting teleported anywhere in the ocean, not just the surface, you're screwed. You simply cannot go from normal air pressure, to depth pressure, back to normal air pressure that quickly and not have problems.
My intuition was a bit off, if seems. My point was that at a certain depth, the pressure will start wreaking havoc with your internals. But the free dive record seems to be 126 meters, so I obviously should have gone with a bigger number 😅
DW about the ADHD. If you took a deep breath and suddenly transported to several hundred metres down, the pressure change would cause your lungs to implode. A similar fate to OceanGate except the debris would be your chest.
Most of the human body is solid or roughly equal in density to water, however not all of it is, namely the lungs. Getting suddenly teleported to the Titanic would subject your body to crushing pressure. Somehow I think that might be unsurvivable.
I assumed the skips were before getting teleported not during. So if a shark is right under you, you can’t skip. If the skips can be decided during, then easy peasy.
People who set challenges like this just don't understand money. $100,000,000 will buy you and everyone in your family a house, a car, food, drink, hobbies, holidays, almost anything you could conceivably want for the rest of your life. And that's even if you blow it all and don't even bother investing. It's an insane amount of money. 30 seconds for five years is 15 hours. That's a pay rate of $6,600,000 an hour. Just to be in the sea.
it doesn’t say what part of the sea, just random… so you’ll almost certainly be crushed to death in the first week, considering that most of the ocean is too deep for you to survive 30 seconds.
if it was always floating on the top that would be a good deal… i can hold my breath for 30 seconds so even a storm probably wouldn’t kill me.
Also even 30 seconds gives you a fair bit of time even around predatory animals. Seems relatively safe bet for anyone without my luck. There's a reason I never gamble.
Even with predatory animals may take them 20 seconds to figure out what's happening....you got cash to burn.
It depends on how "random" is decided. If any spot on the surface has an equal random chance to be chosen, you'd end up in the middle of nowhere pretty much all the time. Don't underestimate how vast the oceans are and how little space is actually occupied.
If you're a muslim then Suleiman or his modern equivalent (King Charles?) and Allah, if you're not even abrahamic then genies and demons are local deities with a society of their own which still adhere to the laws laid down by heaven (in this case Caananite High God El).
Random part sounds like the monkey's paw part to me. Random spot on the surface, not bad. Random part including underwater? Sure, you can hold your breath, but there could be a large pressure differential. Your ears word also suffer. I don't think that's long enough to risk the bends etc but there's a lot more depth than there is surface.
Sharks would be wary of such large and unfamiliar prey appearing so suddenly. Unless you're bleeding, they will probably only circle you for the 30 seconds, prefering you tired out instead of able to defend yourself.
I'd say it's statistically unlikely you'd run into them, given just how much water there is on earth. And even if you did, you're going to have 30 seconds of a bad time. Sure, according to the article you could have 3 hours of pain. So a warm bubble bath treatment. Death is only found in extreme cases.
I've been in 2 car accidents coming from or going to work... and I can tell you I'm never going to earn anywhere close to $100,000,000. Work has demanded I drive through dangerous blizzard conditions many times because the business doesn't stop even though it's not safe to travel.
I'll absolutely risk maybe seeing a man o'war. Because on paper, it appears to be less dangerous (since I'll be teleported away from it 30 seconds after) than any 9-5 job.
It's 30 seconds. Bad storm, I can hold my breath and hope for the best, for 30 seconds. An oil tanker is large so the waves and wind have more to push on, and it's staying there longer than 30 seconds. That's the part you keep missing, you're there for only 30 seconds. There's tons of ships that go threw storms just fine. Also you get 50 skip days, so if you know there's a bad tropical storm somewhere and you don't want to risk it, just skip it. But even if there's a hurricane going over Florida, statistically you're just going to end up in the Pacific ocean somewhere since that's the largest body of water. The pacific is ~30% of the earths surface. It's got more surface area than Mars.
I have understood the 30 seconds part fine. I am looking at it from the point of view that you're transported instantly and so could be taken by surprise when it occurs, you only need to have a wave crash on you, take in a mouthful of water and you would be in real trouble if get spun out.
There is rough weather out at sea in some part of the world most weeks, given you don't know where you could be put on the globe then you would have to know you're going to be dropped into a location with a storm to know to use your skip day otherwise you would be chewing through them pretty quickly.
There's less than 100 shark attacks a year, world wide. In any given year there's 10's of thousands of deaths by car accidents just in the US. So, I'd say it's probably safer 30 seconds in some water with sharks, than 30 seconds on any given highway with people.
Wait, do you get paid immediately? Or do you get paid when your ocean tour concludes on the 1825th day?
Because it would be tedious as fuck to have to still work every day during that time while enduring daily ocean trauma (and potentially have an unrelated accident and subsequently invalidate all my effort up to that point).
Also, like some other people mentioned: is it a random part of the ocean in a survivable area? I imagine this would strictly mean the surface of the ocean wherever you end up. Certain depths would be instant death and I don’t know how the physics work with teleporting from deep ocean back to the surface, but I assume it’s the perfect recipe for spontaneously contracting the bends
Putting aside the pressure crushing bit for a moment, the bends wouldn't really be a problem. Freedivers can go pretty deep for several minutes and ascend without issue, because they aren't breathing in and out and doing all the gas exchange at depth that eventually pushes more nitrogen into your blood.
minus up to 50 skip days. could be as few as 1775 days.
fewer if doing multiple a day... it didn't strictly exclude that possibility, especially since it said you get to choose the time of day... could try cheesing it, getting it done sooner...
survivable
Given the part about the suit if freezing, it seems so.
I finally participated in weekly (more or less) winter bathing last year, and even if I stopped, it still was an interesting experience. And I wasn't even paid.
The coldest was 2.5C water and -8C air, and it was painful. Anything over 6 is more or less manageable. And you get a "ohhh, the water is goood" perk for the summer. I mean, for days when water is not actually good, but you've had worse so you enjoy it:)
It'll be a routine like a gym that you will start to miss it once the 5 year is up (the thermal suit and auto drying are crazy good boons to make this way less unpleasant than it could be).
Random part of the ocean: any day, you can arrive in the middle of a storm, get crushed by a massive wave on nearby rocks (or ice, or floating debris) and die in an instant.
You can arrive in a patch of human garbage and be stabbed by metal or wood, or swallow petrol or oil, and return wounded to death.
You can land in the spot where orcas are fighting, or a white whale is just splashing and be killed there and then.
You can land in front of a cruiseship as it arrives at full speed and be knocked dead on the spot.
I don't know why people aren't more terrified of the ocean.
The ocean is fucking huge. With a truly random location there's a beyond minuscule chance that you'll be transported near any rocks or animals that even register your presence within 30 seconds. This one is a no brainer.
So in 5 years, you will be throwing 1825 times.
Say, probability of one of those problematic events is P(E), where E is the event.
Probability of E happening n (Natural) number of times would be either 0 or P(E), with P(E) for n = 1 and 0 for n > 1, because you don't get more than 1 life to make it happen more than once.
Probability of it happening at least once in the whole 5 years of time, is P(E) × 1825.(check silasmariner's reply)
So, what is the value you set to P(E) to convince yourself that probability is the correct thing to go by?
I checked wiki for a couple numbers, and it looks like Earth's ocean surface area is 361 million km^2, and the shoreline is 356,000 km. Even assuming every bit of the shoreline is made of sharp deadly rocks, there's an extremely low probability you'll end up near the shore at all, even with almost 1900 chances at it.
Going by masquenox's comment, you might want to consider the whole volume of the oceans and the instant depressurisation that would occur if you were to survive the pressurisation.
It's not P(E) x 1825 that makes no sense because the probabilities are independent. It's 1 - (1 - P(E))^1825 -- your maths would imply that a 1/1000 chance had a 100% probability of happening after 1000 attempts, which is not how independent probabilities work.
Anyway I'd probably go for it if it were, like, 1/100,000, giving a probability of the bad thing happening once over 5 years at just under 2%
I just remembered I hadn't tried to write anything in J for like a year so I had a go at seeing how far the approximation was from the real values and got:
So it looks like the ratio probably converges as you increase n (these results are for 1, 1/10, 1/100 etc) but that x 1825 is always higher and starts off wildly off. But these numbers are probably mad squiffy because floating point yadda yadda.
Edit again: oh yeah. Binomial expansion. Once the negation of your probability gets very close to 1 the initial coefficient will absolutely dominate. Proof left for reader.
Is it always at the surface of the ocean? Not at the bottom where the pressure will kill me, or unexpectedly submerged so I breathe water and die? Then yes, yes, yes. I will take those odds and consider it a very reasonable retirement plan, and an incredible hourly wage.
ETA I would think the biggest risk is data loss from so many teleportations. The sea is so big and empty that if it's literally random the odds of appearing inside the wall of a ship or in the mouth of a shark does seem less likely than being mowed down by a car on my way to work (same 30 minutes a day total riding back and forth) for a much bigger payout.
Yeah i read the whole thing thinking about the pressure. It only mentions a thermal suit for when its cold, but isnt it rather likely that the random spot you get telepoorted to is just too deep?
It's gotta be a safe part (pressure and temperature wise) because they're letting you have sick days and they're giving you the thermal suit. This challenge is about surviving life in the sea, not uninhabitable environments imo
So can you tread water/hold your breath for 30 seconds. Yes, very easily. Honestly I would even take it without the thermal suit if I can have a little time to practice dealing with the cold shock response in colder water. The part of the UK I live in doesn't get much below 10°c which is the coldest water I have gone into without any protection.
The critical thing is that you get to choose the time. So you simply schedule it for just before you get in the shower every day.
Close your eyes and hold your breath, quick 30 seconds plunge, return to find yourself in the shower so everything gets washed away. There are people with too much money, who'd pay for that kind of thing. Much of the ocean is completely empty anyway.
Or (and this is a bit dark) you donate 49.5 million to charity, take the 50 skip days immediately, have a very nice holiday with the 500k, then kill yourself on day 51 safe in the knowledge you've left a lasting legacy and done more to help others than most could ever hope to. Probably be able to cram a better life in those 50 days than many will be able to fit in 50 years too.
Teleporting back doesn't restore a missing leg and save me when I arrive back home dry, but bleeding out. So you only need to be mortally wounded.
And with 1825 different random teleportations, there's certainly a non-zero chance of being dropped into the middle of an active shark hunt/feeding frenzy, or directly in front of a 200,000 ton shipping container vessel with 4 enormous 30 foot propellers waiting to liquify your body.
If your odds per teleportation are a 0.01% chance, across 1825 incidents over 5 years that's an 18% chance of death.
again, the missing leg would only happens in exceedingly rare case since the ocean is not populated like New Delhi and predators don't work like in the movies
the ocean is fucking huge. odds of that not happening are way better than odds of me dying biking over to the grocery store (thanks, all you drivers who completely ignore the cyclist and pedestrian crossing, your stop line at a red light, the giant NO RIGHT TURN ON RED sign, and the people obviously crossing it)
Actually it'll only be about 15 hours. 365 days x 5 years, then add 1 for the leap year, then x 30 to figure out how many seconds, ÷ 60 for minutes and again for hours.
This is easy. Just be in a hospital or whatever every day so when you come back, even if you royally messed up and took a bunch of water in your lungs, they can easily get it out quickly. With 50 skip days? Yeah just take like the first 3 and get good swimming lessons and arrange for a hospital or doctor or whatever to be ready to revive you. This is all assuming we mean a random point on the surface of the ocean, not under it. The odds of ever being somewhere where something other than the water being the problem are so miniscule. The post even says you get a thermal suit.
Yeah, honestly, I don't think you can die in 30 seconds if you're appearing in a hospital when you're done. It's just for risk mitigation and mitigating the psychological terror of being in the ocean for 30 seconds.
Nah. Put that money into separate buckets, like endowments or trusts. Each bucket pays for a thing in perpetuity, like how many scholarships work. If you splat it all out at once, that's all the charity you get to give.
I'm thalassophobic, would 100% have a heart attack and die day one. This is essentially asking if I would trade my life for $100,000,000 to donate to whatever charities I want.
No one's talking about popping up in a North Sea storm or teleporting into Cape Horn or the Antarctic Sea. I'd be practicing holding my breath under punishing circumstances. But yes, I'd go for it in a second.
You could easily make enough money to support yourself just on gambling whether you live or die! Imagine a show where Shalafi disappears for 30-seconds, pops back in and gets interviewed. People would watch that like clockwork.
The real question is how does pressure factor in? I don't care what kind of preparations you make. If you end up at the bottom of the Mariana trench you won't survive 30 seconds. You just go from biology to physics instantaneously.
Honestly the premise sounds fun, atleast in comparison to most hypotheticals. That being said an ammount of money that doesn't seem like it would cover roughly half my remaining life. Including medical issues brought on by this arrangement
Don't act like universal healthcare solves all your healthcare problems. These systems are still subject to capitalism, defunding, and authoritarian regulations, on top of racism and sexism. The rich can meanwhile afford all the private healthcare they want.
Take the money. Use all 50 skip days up front. Consult lawyers/financial people to set friends and family up for life. Let the ocean take me on day 51.
Honestly unless you somehow spawn in front of some manowars or a large shark mid charge there is really not much of a threat here. Even if you spawn in a school of sharks they will ignore you. You could even afford a private medical wing and doctor at your house.
What's the depth? Average depth of the ocean is about 12,000 feet. Show up around halfway down and you're suddenly subjected to 180 atmospheres of pressure.
I think its implied to be at or near surface level, obviously you would need a genie lawyer to really iron out the stipulations but the fact that you owe 5 years and get sick days and vacation days implies that it is doable.
If I've got 70 years left to live that works out to effectively $120,000 a month for the rest of my life. The worst case is I get eaten and my family is set up for life. People take worse odds all the time for a lot less.
Even without a tummo breathing start, I could probably hold my breath that long... wouldn't even need to tread water... just take a breath and dive. n_n
I have a heart condition. Most the time Id probably be ok but all it takes is that one time where the change in temperature makes my blood vessels contract. I guess I wont drown in 30 seconds but fuck it sucks everytime.
Which is feasible, people have survived days to weeks floating in the ocean before, it isn't like 30 seconds is an automatic death sentence. But they specify the possibility of showing up with critters circling, which could make things very risky since the wrong bite wouldn't even have to kill you immediately to fuck things up.
But, assuming that the only factors are ocean surface and wildlife threats, it's doable. You don't even have to swim unless things are pretty bad. Just floating and treading water for that long is realistic for anyone with a fair degree of mobility.
Unless it's crazy shit. Thirty seconds in a storm, shit can go bad fast on land. You magic your way back with lungs full of water, and it might not drown you, but you're not going to be doing great. Worst case scenario, you end up with some kind of infection as an outcome which could kill you.
Anyway, point being that the proposed scenario isn't purely about being wet. There's a stated assumption of danger since you have to survive the trips.
Yeah, it's a big fucking ocean and you aren't likely to land right on top of a breaching great white. But it ain't all that safe either.
Not that I'd turn it down, I'd go for it. 100 mil is plenty when it's tax free as stated. That's enough to maximize your chances at surviving it because unless something directly kills you in thirty seconds, you'll still pop back to where you can call an ambulance. Or, keep an emt/nurse/doctor/whatever on salary for those events to make sure you recover very well.
But, we all get old. At some point, you'll die. You have a bad enough stroke, and your next dip in the ocean becomes life threatening even in wonderful conditions. That's not exactly a reason to say no. Hell, it's a reason to say yes, because there's at least a chance that if you're stuck in a failing body, you might get lucky and wind up on top of a breaching great white.
So, yeah, I'm doing it, but I'm not fool enough to pretend that it's some kind of cake walk
The hypothetical says it only goes on for five years, so unless you're already pretty old, you don't need to worry about extra risks due to being old. It also said you can get sick days. If you get into trouble, it's going to be from the ocean rather than because you were unfit for the ocean that day.
Spend a little over 15 hours in the ocean for 100 million, spread out over 5 years? Yeah I think I can handle that. I'd have to get better at swimming though. Storms would be scary, and honestly the biggest threat would be waste dumps and ships, but I think I could take that risk. It seems to be that you'd be at the surface so I'd want clarification on that one.
So, every day at a set time for five years, I get to experiment with a highly sophisticated novel technology in a repeatable experiment to figure out how it works?
I thoroughly enjoyed swimming in the open ocean the few times I've had a chance to and would love to do it again. I'm sure there would be some days that would be quite frightening, but I'll bet there would be a bunch of days that I would be disappointed with only 30 seconds.
As mentioned by a few, I'm assuming this means the surface of the ocean and not random depths, which would mean instant death at some point and would make the deal completely un-survivable.
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CameronDev@programming.dev · 118 pts · 235d
Surface of the ocean or anywhere from the deepest trench up?
Surface, no brainer, I can swim for 30s. Below the surface, you'll be like the surfaced blob fish before the end of the first month.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 51 pts · 235d
I tend to agree. I usually claim that I can't swim, as what I do doesn't really constitute swimming, but I can stay afloat and move in a deliberate direction.
A complicating factor: Swells and bad weather make it a lot harder. But on the flipside, no matter how badly it goes, if I'm teleported back in 30s I'd just fill my lungs beforehand. I can hold my breath for much longer than that, and even if I couldn't, it would take more than 30s to die from oxygen deprivation - just make sure I have EMTs on standby for when I return.
otter@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 235d
The only real danger seems to be getting slammed against some rocks or getting bitten by something
But if it's truly random, the second one becomes a lot less likely?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 235d
I think you gotta be reeeeally unlucky to be eaten by something within 30 seconds of arriving.
And the chances for dangerous shore positioning are really slim because the ocean is fucking huge. I'd say chances are that you won't even be able to see land during all of those 30 second rounds. Source: I work with/on ships
Maeve@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 235d
Jellyfish stings.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 234d
Yeah the only one I’d really worry about is teleporting into s boat prop, rocks or reef, or maybe jellyfish. This stings hurt for a long time.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 233d
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 234d
I can hold my breath for 30 seconds. If I know it's going to happen I'll prepare with a full lung.
I assume I won't be sent to something like the marianas trench where the pressure either coming or going would kill me, and since after the 30 seconds I'll be dry even if I mess up and take in some seawater worst case it will be a terrible few minutes of gasping when I'm back.
Edit: I have no idea how "I won't be sent to", got turned into "intelligent" by autocorrect.
CameronDev@programming.dev · 19 pts · 234d
Marianas trench would crush your chest cavity and blowout your eardrums, so I dont think you'll survive 30s there.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 234d
That was an autocorrect issue. I literally said "I won't be sent to" and somehow my voice to text changed it to "intelligent"
I literally meant that assuming that the rules of the game didn't mean you would be instantly killed, then you had an incredibly high chance of surviving.
CameronDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 234d
I did struggle to read it :(
Agreed, if there is no teleport into insta-death, its definitely survivable.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 234d
You know what time it is so you could hyper oxygenate for a few minutes and be fine. 30 seconds isn’t that long and I don’t think it’s long enough to trigger the bends.
I’d do it at any survivable depths, especially since it said you’d have safety equipment, even though I’m not sure you’d need that either in 30 seconds.
CameronDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 233d
I think bends only applies if you inhale compressed air at low depths and come up, because the 1L of air at -200m expands as you go up. Air you breath at sea level would compress down to nothing, which might mean that your chest cavity gets crushed, even at levels that are normally okay for divers. Rapid changes in either direction are what kills you.
Ledivin@lemmy.world · 94 pts · 235d
30s per day of mild-to-moderate discomfort for 5 years, or working an average of 6 hours per day for virtually my entire life.
This was clearly written by someone with an intense and irrational fear of the sea. Nothing's doing shit to you in 30 seconds. Most creatures wouldn't even register your presence quickly enough to even think about doing anything.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 44 pts · 235d
Especially the surface of the open ocean. There's little out there compared to near land. And even if you happened to pop near a shark feeding frenzy, for 30 seconds hold your breath, let yourself sink if that happens, and just don't move at all.
As written it's just five years 365 times. The odds are very good for survival. To make it more questionable, have the owed time be five years total in your life of 30 seconds accumulated. Still the same factors apply, 30 seconds isn't a life risk. Add in the choice of extending any of these to longer than 30 seconds before the pop to use up the time. Now survival becomes questionable if you gamble too much or at the wrong time.
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 234d
Unless my math is wrong, which is super possible cuz I’m not particularly skilled with math, this isn’t possible. I just looked up seconds in a day and did a couple quick divisions (86,400 seconds in a day, divide by 30 for the number of swims, then divide by 365 for number of years it would take). So might be way off.
A single day in that arrangement appears to take almost 8 (7.89) years of daily 30-second swims. You’d never reach 5 years, it would just be a permanent condition of your life at that point. You might accumulate an entire fortnite before you die if you start very young (14 days would be 110.5 yrs).
Edit to fix number
shalafi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 235d
And most creatures are near shore or too deep to matter.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 234d
I mean, it would be extremely possible to be exceedingly uncomfortable to dangerous.
You could end up in the middle of a group of jellyfish, on a shoreline with heavy waves crashing you against rocks, in glacial Antarctic waters, on top of barnacle-covered rocks cutting your feet, in front of a ship barreling down upon you, in an oil spill... the entire premise is that it's random. Many teleports would be safe, but any might not be.
axx@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 234d
There are so many ways you can die in less than 30s in the ocean. And that's just on the surface. The offer is "into the ocean".
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 1 pts · 233d
Nods. Don’t forget you get 50 skip days. 50. I’d burn a couple of those if I was in the middle of something at end up with like 47 left.
I like swimming in the middle of nowhere. 30 seconds wouldn’t be enough for the absolute tranquility…I mean…if you weren’t in the middle of a storm, which would be also fine for 30 seconds.
Saapas@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 233d
I personally think the stress over not knowing and having to do it every day and trying to keep it secret too would be way worse for me than just working.
You probably get used to it over time though.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 233d
I've survived far worse.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 55 pts · 235d
100%. I'll take my chances with the mostly empty ocean for a few years over dealing with capitalism trying to kill me for 40+ more years for the crime of being poor.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 234d
As long as it's survivable, piece of cake. Very unlikely to be eaten, freeze to death, etc in 30 seconds and if it's unbearable 50 skips. Too easy unless it's at any depth. Then it's far more likely to die. Way more volume than surface area.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 234d
You can hold your breath for 30s easy
f314@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 234d
Not at 100 meters deep, you can’t!
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 234d
Oh
I think the person meant on the ocean surface
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 234d
Why not?
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 6 pts · 234d
There are depths of the sea where divers have to use special exotic mixes of gas because the pressure pushes gases into your bones and stuff. Divers going into and coming out of these areas have to do so very slowly. Look into saturation diving and barotrauma if this topic is interesting. But the gist is, if you're getting teleported anywhere in the ocean, not just the surface, you're screwed. You simply cannot go from normal air pressure, to depth pressure, back to normal air pressure that quickly and not have problems.
f314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 234d
My intuition was a bit off, if seems. My point was that at a certain depth, the pressure will start wreaking havoc with your internals. But the free dive record seems to be 126 meters, so I obviously should have gone with a bigger number 😅
bigfish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 234d
If you remember to take a deep breath. My ADHD ass would 100% forget by day 3.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 234d
DW about the ADHD. If you took a deep breath and suddenly transported to several hundred metres down, the pressure change would cause your lungs to implode. A similar fate to OceanGate except the debris would be your chest.
Iceblade02@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 234d
Eh you won't even drown in 30s if you don't.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 232d
Most of the human body is solid or roughly equal in density to water, however not all of it is, namely the lungs. Getting suddenly teleported to the Titanic would subject your body to crushing pressure. Somehow I think that might be unsurvivable.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 233d
I assumed the skips were before getting teleported not during. So if a shark is right under you, you can’t skip. If the skips can be decided during, then easy peasy.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 232d
Oh yeah. It's funny the OP gave a lot of information but at the same time left out a lot of information.
Worx@lemmynsfw.com · 36 pts · 234d
People who set challenges like this just don't understand money. $100,000,000 will buy you and everyone in your family a house, a car, food, drink, hobbies, holidays, almost anything you could conceivably want for the rest of your life. And that's even if you blow it all and don't even bother investing. It's an insane amount of money. 30 seconds for five years is 15 hours. That's a pay rate of $6,600,000 an hour. Just to be in the sea.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 234d
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 231d
Perhaps, but sometimes it tells us they're an idiot that doesn't understand math and considers minor inconvenience hardship.
VioletAbsurdistExtremist@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 234d
it doesn’t say what part of the sea, just random… so you’ll almost certainly be crushed to death in the first week, considering that most of the ocean is too deep for you to survive 30 seconds.
if it was always floating on the top that would be a good deal… i can hold my breath for 30 seconds so even a storm probably wouldn’t kill me.
electricyarn@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 234d
Also most of the ocean isn't teeming with predatory animals.
skibidi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 234d
Vast majority of sea life lives near coastlines - because that is precisely where current disruptions create easily accessible nutrients.
Out in the middle of the ocean there is really very little. Migratory animals moving between destinations mostly.
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 234d
Also even 30 seconds gives you a fair bit of time even around predatory animals. Seems relatively safe bet for anyone without my luck. There's a reason I never gamble.
Even with predatory animals may take them 20 seconds to figure out what's happening....you got cash to burn.
duncan_bayne@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 234d
Surface of the ocean? So, no chance of randomly arriving at submarine-crushing depths?
Hell yes. In fact I'd probably pay for the experience 🤣
Agent641@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 234d
What if a cruise ship happens to occupy the part of the ocean that I teleport to? Do we get Philadelphia experiment'd?
excral@feddit.org · 14 pts · 234d
It depends on how "random" is decided. If any spot on the surface has an equal random chance to be chosen, you'd end up in the middle of nowhere pretty much all the time. Don't underestimate how vast the oceans are and how little space is actually occupied.
Inucune@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 235d
Take it. No question. Trades every other insecurity for just one somewhat predictable event.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 233d
as long as i spawn on the surface then it's fine.
if the locations are random, chances are it'll be in the middle of the ocean/sea, far away from any dangerous cliffs.
and as I get the money upfront, if I die, my loved ones will get it, so it isn't that bad
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 233d
I think it's implied that the money goes away if you don't fulfill the 5 years "owed". Either that or your dead body spends a lot of time at sea.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 233d
more importantly is what court enforces those contacts so you can consult a lawyer
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 233d
If you're a muslim then Suleiman or his modern equivalent (King Charles?) and Allah, if you're not even abrahamic then genies and demons are local deities with a society of their own which still adhere to the laws laid down by heaven (in this case Caananite High God El).
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 233d
lol. imagine going to king Charles for a dispute you have with your Ginnie
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
And then he summons the wind to carry you home on a carpet.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
the royal flatulence
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev · 25 pts · 235d
Random part sounds like the monkey's paw part to me. Random spot on the surface, not bad. Random part including underwater? Sure, you can hold your breath, but there could be a large pressure differential. Your ears word also suffer. I don't think that's long enough to risk the bends etc but there's a lot more depth than there is surface.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 234d
There are plenty of depths that would kill you in an instant.
njm1314@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 234d
So you're absolutely going to be killed after you are teleported into a statistically likely depth that has enormous water pressure.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 233d
30 seconds a day for only 5 years... That's 912.5 minutes, or just over 15 hours. Less than a typical work week to tread water for a few seconds.
Can I bring a camera?
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
What about the sharks though? Sounds like there is a chance you might land somewhere you're eaten.
CitizenKong@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 233d
Sharks would be wary of such large and unfamiliar prey appearing so suddenly. Unless you're bleeding, they will probably only circle you for the 30 seconds, prefering you tired out instead of able to defend yourself.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 233d
What about landing in a group of man o'wars?
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_man_o%27_war#Venom
I'd say it's statistically unlikely you'd run into them, given just how much water there is on earth. And even if you did, you're going to have 30 seconds of a bad time. Sure, according to the article you could have 3 hours of pain. So a warm bubble bath treatment. Death is only found in extreme cases.
I've been in 2 car accidents coming from or going to work... and I can tell you I'm never going to earn anywhere close to $100,000,000. Work has demanded I drive through dangerous blizzard conditions many times because the business doesn't stop even though it's not safe to travel.
I'll absolutely risk maybe seeing a man o'war. Because on paper, it appears to be less dangerous (since I'll be teleported away from it 30 seconds after) than any 9-5 job.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
So next problem then, what if you're dropped into a rough storm. The sort that can make oil tankers rock. Fair chance you would drown in that.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
It's 30 seconds. Bad storm, I can hold my breath and hope for the best, for 30 seconds. An oil tanker is large so the waves and wind have more to push on, and it's staying there longer than 30 seconds. That's the part you keep missing, you're there for only 30 seconds. There's tons of ships that go threw storms just fine. Also you get 50 skip days, so if you know there's a bad tropical storm somewhere and you don't want to risk it, just skip it. But even if there's a hurricane going over Florida, statistically you're just going to end up in the Pacific ocean somewhere since that's the largest body of water. The pacific is ~30% of the earths surface. It's got more surface area than Mars.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
I have understood the 30 seconds part fine. I am looking at it from the point of view that you're transported instantly and so could be taken by surprise when it occurs, you only need to have a wave crash on you, take in a mouthful of water and you would be in real trouble if get spun out.
There is rough weather out at sea in some part of the world most weeks, given you don't know where you could be put on the globe then you would have to know you're going to be dropped into a location with a storm to know to use your skip day otherwise you would be chewing through them pretty quickly.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
There's less than 100 shark attacks a year, world wide. In any given year there's 10's of thousands of deaths by car accidents just in the US. So, I'd say it's probably safer 30 seconds in some water with sharks, than 30 seconds on any given highway with people.
sudo_shinespark@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 235d
Wait, do you get paid immediately? Or do you get paid when your ocean tour concludes on the 1825th day?
Because it would be tedious as fuck to have to still work every day during that time while enduring daily ocean trauma (and potentially have an unrelated accident and subsequently invalidate all my effort up to that point).
Also, like some other people mentioned: is it a random part of the ocean in a survivable area? I imagine this would strictly mean the surface of the ocean wherever you end up. Certain depths would be instant death and I don’t know how the physics work with teleporting from deep ocean back to the surface, but I assume it’s the perfect recipe for spontaneously contracting the bends
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 234d
Putting aside the pressure crushing bit for a moment, the bends wouldn't really be a problem. Freedivers can go pretty deep for several minutes and ascend without issue, because they aren't breathing in and out and doing all the gas exchange at depth that eventually pushes more nitrogen into your blood.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 233d
minus up to 50 skip days. could be as few as 1775 days.
fewer if doing multiple a day... it didn't strictly exclude that possibility, especially since it said you get to choose the time of day... could try cheesing it, getting it done sooner...
Given the part about the suit if freezing, it seems so.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 235d
Sure! Set it for first thing in the morning. It'll wake me up better than any alarm and I can wash off the sea water and start my day!
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 233d
Sounds like a good alarm clock.
Can I choose a different time on weekends and holidays?
Does it take daylight savings into account?
It says I come back dry... does it clean me too? Can it replace a shower, is what I'm getting at..?
ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 233d
Oh I like the way you think, that’s brilliant!
TomasEkeli@programming.dev · 19 pts · 233d
The ocean is BIG. Chance of something big enough to be interested in you discovering you and deciding to eat you in 30 seconds is minuscule.
Sharks aren't mindless chomping machines.
Cthulhu might be problematic, though.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 235d
Isn't the vast majority of the open ocean effectively lifeless? 9/10 times you'd probably not even be within a mile of anything bigger than plankton.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 17 pts · 235d
Sounds kind of easy with the thermal suit involved
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 235d
Even without it, you can survive 30 seconds in the biting cold easily.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 235d
Honestly seeing a new part of the sea every day could be fun.
atomicorange@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 234d
Hmm, flat and wet today. Cool.
Wow, flat and wet again.
Flat and wet.
A little choppy and also wet.
Flat and wet again.
Is that land in the distance!?! Nope, floating bird.
Flat. Wet.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 234d
I could handle that for 30 seconds a day.
toofpic@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 235d
I finally participated in weekly (more or less) winter bathing last year, and even if I stopped, it still was an interesting experience. And I wasn't even paid.
The coldest was 2.5C water and -8C air, and it was painful. Anything over 6 is more or less manageable. And you get a "ohhh, the water is goood" perk for the summer. I mean, for days when water is not actually good, but you've had worse so you enjoy it:)
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 234d
Random part of the ocean, including crushing depth? This needs some clarification.
bastion@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 234d
they seem to imply that you have appropriate equipment for the environment that you're teleported to. but, yeah, before signing that shit..
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 233d
It'll be a routine like a gym that you will start to miss it once the 5 year is up (the thermal suit and auto drying are crazy good boons to make this way less unpleasant than it could be).
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 233d
yeah this is all win. people don't realize how empty the sea is all over. 5 years? I'd bring a camera!
axx@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 234d
Random part of the ocean: any day, you can arrive in the middle of a storm, get crushed by a massive wave on nearby rocks (or ice, or floating debris) and die in an instant.
You can arrive in a patch of human garbage and be stabbed by metal or wood, or swallow petrol or oil, and return wounded to death.
You can land in the spot where orcas are fighting, or a white whale is just splashing and be killed there and then.
You can land in front of a cruiseship as it arrives at full speed and be knocked dead on the spot.
I don't know why people aren't more terrified of the ocean.
You should be terrified of the ocean.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 44 pts · 234d
The ocean is fucking huge. With a truly random location there's a beyond minuscule chance that you'll be transported near any rocks or animals that even register your presence within 30 seconds. This one is a no brainer.
ulterno@programming.dev · 4 pts · 234d
So in
5years, you will be throwing1825times.Say, probability of one of those problematic events is
P(E), whereEis the event.Probability of
Ehappeningn(Natural) number of times would be either0orP(E), withP(E)forn = 1and0forn > 1, because you don't get more than1life to make it happen more than once.Probability of it happening at least once in the whole
5years of time, isP(E) × 1825.So, what is the value you set to
P(E)to convince yourself that probability is the correct thing to go by?tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 234d
I checked wiki for a couple numbers, and it looks like Earth's ocean surface area is 361 million km^2, and the shoreline is 356,000 km. Even assuming every bit of the shoreline is made of sharp deadly rocks, there's an extremely low probability you'll end up near the shore at all, even with almost 1900 chances at it.
ulterno@programming.dev · 3 pts · 234d
Going by masquenox's comment, you might want to consider the whole volume of the oceans and the instant depressurisation that would occur if you were to survive the pressurisation.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 233d
Yeah the volume is one thing but I assumed we were talking about the surface. If you could end up miles underwater it wouldn't be worth it
silasmariner@programming.dev · 6 pts · 233d
It's not
P(E) x 1825that makes no sense because the probabilities are independent. It's1 - (1 - P(E))^1825-- your maths would imply that a 1/1000 chance had a 100% probability of happening after 1000 attempts, which is not how independent probabilities work.Anyway I'd probably go for it if it were, like, 1/100,000, giving a probability of the bad thing happening once over 5 years at just under 2%
silasmariner@programming.dev · 2 pts · 233d
I just remembered I hadn't tried to write anything in J for like a year so I had a go at seeing how far the approximation was from the real values and got:
So it looks like the ratio probably converges as you increase n (these results are for 1, 1/10, 1/100 etc) but that
x 1825is always higher and starts off wildly off. But these numbers are probably mad squiffy because floating point yadda yadda.Edit again: oh yeah. Binomial expansion. Once the negation of your probability gets very close to 1 the initial coefficient will absolutely dominate. Proof left for reader.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 234d
So, either I get micro-vacations and rich, or I die? Where's the downside?
RBWells@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 234d
Is it always at the surface of the ocean? Not at the bottom where the pressure will kill me, or unexpectedly submerged so I breathe water and die? Then yes, yes, yes. I will take those odds and consider it a very reasonable retirement plan, and an incredible hourly wage.
ETA I would think the biggest risk is data loss from so many teleportations. The sea is so big and empty that if it's literally random the odds of appearing inside the wall of a ship or in the mouth of a shark does seem less likely than being mowed down by a car on my way to work (same 30 minutes a day total riding back and forth) for a much bigger payout.
masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 234d
Into a random part of the ocean, you say?
Does into include the bottom of the Mariana Trench, perhaps?
If so... my answer is nope.
axx@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 234d
My immediate thoughts also. This why you have lawyers proofread things (even if in this case one doesn't need to be a lawyer to catch this).
Thinking about some more.
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 234d
Yeah, you just need more "What if?" people to proofread it.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 234d
I can tread water for over 30 minutes, 30 seconds is nothing. Even if there is a storm, just hold your breath for 30s. Sure, unpleasant. Worth it.
Assuming it's always at the surface of course. Deep sea pressure would be a death sentence.
zeca@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 234d
Yeah i read the whole thing thinking about the pressure. It only mentions a thermal suit for when its cold, but isnt it rather likely that the random spot you get telepoorted to is just too deep?
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 234d
It's gotta be a safe part (pressure and temperature wise) because they're letting you have sick days and they're giving you the thermal suit. This challenge is about surviving life in the sea, not uninhabitable environments imo
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 233d
So can you tread water/hold your breath for 30 seconds. Yes, very easily. Honestly I would even take it without the thermal suit if I can have a little time to practice dealing with the cold shock response in colder water. The part of the UK I live in doesn't get much below 10°c which is the coldest water I have gone into without any protection.
Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 235d
The critical thing is that you get to choose the time. So you simply schedule it for just before you get in the shower every day.
Close your eyes and hold your breath, quick 30 seconds plunge, return to find yourself in the shower so everything gets washed away. There are people with too much money, who'd pay for that kind of thing. Much of the ocean is completely empty anyway.
Or (and this is a bit dark) you donate 49.5 million to charity, take the 50 skip days immediately, have a very nice holiday with the 500k, then kill yourself on day 51 safe in the knowledge you've left a lasting legacy and done more to help others than most could ever hope to. Probably be able to cram a better life in those 50 days than many will be able to fit in 50 years too.
circledot@feddit.org · 12 pts · 235d
Mr. Beast: Taking notes.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 234d
At 2000 meter depth...
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 233d
I don't think you can drown in 30 seconds?
So, just don't get eaten. How hard can it be?
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 233d
Don't get eaten once, probably pretty easy. But don't get eaten just shy of 2000 days in a row? Well... I'll just say that's probably not trivial.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 233d
Considering i could also get hit by a bus, cancer, random violence, or accident, I still would take the chance.
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
As would I. With all that money I feel like there's some pretty easy damage mitigation steps you could take as well to ensure your safety.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 233d
you'd need to be spotted, identified as food, attacked and completely killed in 30 seconds… the odds of that are minuscule
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
Teleporting back doesn't restore a missing leg and save me when I arrive back home dry, but bleeding out. So you only need to be mortally wounded.
And with 1825 different random teleportations, there's certainly a non-zero chance of being dropped into the middle of an active shark hunt/feeding frenzy, or directly in front of a 200,000 ton shipping container vessel with 4 enormous 30 foot propellers waiting to liquify your body.
If your odds per teleportation are a 0.01% chance, across 1825 incidents over 5 years that's an 18% chance of death.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 232d
again, the missing leg would only happens in exceedingly rare case since the ocean is not populated like New Delhi and predators don't work like in the movies
your numbers are off by probably a factor of 100
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 233d
the ocean is fucking huge. odds of that not happening are way better than odds of me dying biking over to the grocery store (thanks, all you drivers who completely ignore the cyclist and pedestrian crossing, your stop line at a red light, the giant NO RIGHT TURN ON RED sign, and the people obviously crossing it)
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
Actually it'll only be about 15 hours. 365 days x 5 years, then add 1 for the leap year, then x 30 to figure out how many seconds, ÷ 60 for minutes and again for hours.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 10 pts · 234d
This is easy. Just be in a hospital or whatever every day so when you come back, even if you royally messed up and took a bunch of water in your lungs, they can easily get it out quickly. With 50 skip days? Yeah just take like the first 3 and get good swimming lessons and arrange for a hospital or doctor or whatever to be ready to revive you. This is all assuming we mean a random point on the surface of the ocean, not under it. The odds of ever being somewhere where something other than the water being the problem are so miniscule. The post even says you get a thermal suit.
howrar@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 234d
You don't even need swimming lessons. Just ball up and hold your breath for 30s.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 234d
Yeah, honestly, I don't think you can die in 30 seconds if you're appearing in a hospital when you're done. It's just for risk mitigation and mitigating the psychological terror of being in the ocean for 30 seconds.
riskable@programming.dev · 10 pts · 235d
Take the deal. Donate almost all of the money to good causes because $100 million is far more than necessary to live a no-worries (money) life.
Even if I die in the ocean, I will die knowing that I did good in this life.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 235d
Nah. Put that money into separate buckets, like endowments or trusts. Each bucket pays for a thing in perpetuity, like how many scholarships work. If you splat it all out at once, that's all the charity you get to give.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 235d
I'm thalassophobic, would 100% have a heart attack and die day one. This is essentially asking if I would trade my life for $100,000,000 to donate to whatever charities I want.
Deal
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 234d
Me too but honestly I think exposure therapy might just be the answer.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 234d
I agree to these terms as long as my family can keep the money if I die
shalafi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 235d
No one's talking about popping up in a North Sea storm or teleporting into Cape Horn or the Antarctic Sea. I'd be practicing holding my breath under punishing circumstances. But yes, I'd go for it in a second.
You could easily make enough money to support yourself just on gambling whether you live or die! Imagine a show where Shalafi disappears for 30-seconds, pops back in and gets interviewed. People would watch that like clockwork.
Pandantic@midwest.social · 4 pts · 234d
Get a Go Pro set to turn on when you get sent and let the viewers see it live!
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 234d
<shivering, shaking, spazzin' on the floor>
"Rough one today guys!"
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 9 pts · 235d
Compromise. I'll take 50 million and we skip the ocean. Make it a bathtub.
MrIamsosmrt@feddit.org · 8 pts · 234d
100 million can pay for medics to be on stand by for 5 years at the return location just in case something happens.
ulterno@programming.dev · -2 pts · 234d
You get 100 M after 5 years.
And not even adjusted for inflation.
Tudsamfa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 234d
Why does it says instantly then?
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 234d
Oh, you are right.
I seemed to have forgotten that part after reading, "Survive five years. Pocket the money.", which made it feel otherwise.
ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 233d
The real question is how does pressure factor in? I don't care what kind of preparations you make. If you end up at the bottom of the Mariana trench you won't survive 30 seconds. You just go from biology to physics instantaneously.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 235d
Can I buy the rights to the film
GreatRam@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 234d
For those who take it, for what amount would you not take it
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 234d
I'd do it for free. The ability to recreate the event at regular intervals for five years would be worth more than the money
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 233d
Shshshsh! You just lost yourself a hundred mil, to answer a question you were not asked. XD
CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 234d
Honestly the premise sounds fun, atleast in comparison to most hypotheticals. That being said an ammount of money that doesn't seem like it would cover roughly half my remaining life. Including medical issues brought on by this arrangement
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 234d
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 234d
Atleast and ammount are more words than JuSt MoVe is helpful advice.
nostrauxendar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 234d
Jesus christ, the dictionary squad are here boys, let's get outta here!
stray@pawb.social · 1 pts · 233d
Don't act like universal healthcare solves all your healthcare problems. These systems are still subject to capitalism, defunding, and authoritarian regulations, on top of racism and sexism. The rich can meanwhile afford all the private healthcare they want.
bastion@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 234d
eh. below 2 mil.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 233d
57 million. (+ the 100 million). Give or take, based on currency devaluation situation at time of offer.
[Edit: Then I could open up a really impressive health hub.]
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 233d
Take the money. Use all 50 skip days up front. Consult lawyers/financial people to set friends and family up for life. Let the ocean take me on day 51.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 233d
There are many benefits to being a marine biologist.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 233d
I once tread water in a sketchy public pool for two hours straight just to prove to the other lifeguards that I could. I was born for this
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 233d
Honestly unless you somehow spawn in front of some manowars or a large shark mid charge there is really not much of a threat here. Even if you spawn in a school of sharks they will ignore you. You could even afford a private medical wing and doctor at your house.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 233d
What's the depth? Average depth of the ocean is about 12,000 feet. Show up around halfway down and you're suddenly subjected to 180 atmospheres of pressure.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 233d
I think its implied to be at or near surface level, obviously you would need a genie lawyer to really iron out the stipulations but the fact that you owe 5 years and get sick days and vacation days implies that it is doable.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 233d
Could be straight storm in the North Atlantic. You might not survive 30 seconds.
Gonna suck that’s for sure
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 233d
Or under the ice.
Tilgare@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 233d
If I've got 70 years left to live that works out to effectively $120,000 a month for the rest of my life. The worst case is I get eaten and my family is set up for life. People take worse odds all the time for a lot less.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 6 pts · 233d
Sorry, what's the catch?
I only see upside.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 233d
Also... 30 seconds...
Even without a tummo breathing start, I could probably hold my breath that long... wouldn't even need to tread water... just take a breath and dive. n_n
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 234d
I have a heart condition. Most the time Id probably be ok but all it takes is that one time where the change in temperature makes my blood vessels contract. I guess I wont drown in 30 seconds but fuck it sucks everytime.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 234d
I got my scuba license more than 20 years ago, I’ve already tried all flavors of ocean. Fuck yes, PAY ME
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 234d
Nah, I rather just sit on the couch and not be bothered.
skooma_king@piefed.social · 6 pts · 234d
As a lifelong surfer, I’m feeling pretty good about this one.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 234d
That was my first reaction too, but then I figured it didn't specify the surface and I don't think I'm falling for it.
tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 234d
No. That amount of transporting carries the risk of transport pox.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 234d
I knew there had to be a catch.
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 234d
Yup. I'd stop losing weight though. Homie gotta float.
oxideseven@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 233d
Yes I take the money. Easy.
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 233d
I love how seriously everyone's taking this! Like "I want to help set up the parameters of the experiment!"
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 233d
These things matter! ;)
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 4 pts · 233d
The bends!
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 234d
They're talking about surviving the ocean drops.
Which is feasible, people have survived days to weeks floating in the ocean before, it isn't like 30 seconds is an automatic death sentence. But they specify the possibility of showing up with critters circling, which could make things very risky since the wrong bite wouldn't even have to kill you immediately to fuck things up.
But, assuming that the only factors are ocean surface and wildlife threats, it's doable. You don't even have to swim unless things are pretty bad. Just floating and treading water for that long is realistic for anyone with a fair degree of mobility.
Unless it's crazy shit. Thirty seconds in a storm, shit can go bad fast on land. You magic your way back with lungs full of water, and it might not drown you, but you're not going to be doing great. Worst case scenario, you end up with some kind of infection as an outcome which could kill you.
Anyway, point being that the proposed scenario isn't purely about being wet. There's a stated assumption of danger since you have to survive the trips.
Yeah, it's a big fucking ocean and you aren't likely to land right on top of a breaching great white. But it ain't all that safe either.
Not that I'd turn it down, I'd go for it. 100 mil is plenty when it's tax free as stated. That's enough to maximize your chances at surviving it because unless something directly kills you in thirty seconds, you'll still pop back to where you can call an ambulance. Or, keep an emt/nurse/doctor/whatever on salary for those events to make sure you recover very well.
But, we all get old. At some point, you'll die. You have a bad enough stroke, and your next dip in the ocean becomes life threatening even in wonderful conditions. That's not exactly a reason to say no. Hell, it's a reason to say yes, because there's at least a chance that if you're stuck in a failing body, you might get lucky and wind up on top of a breaching great white.
So, yeah, I'm doing it, but I'm not fool enough to pretend that it's some kind of cake walk
NightFantom@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 234d
You return dry, so I'd assume the water from your lungs is also gone.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 234d
I missed that part!
That would change the risk factor a good bit for sure
axx@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 234d
Bad genie interpretation: you return entirely dry, as in 0% water in your body. You die on the first trip.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 234d
Body is 70% water. You return fully mummified and dehydrated into jerky
NightFantom@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 234d
It also says "alive if you survived", but funny 😅
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 234d
The hypothetical says it only goes on for five years, so unless you're already pretty old, you don't need to worry about extra risks due to being old. It also said you can get sick days. If you get into trouble, it's going to be from the ocean rather than because you were unfit for the ocean that day.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 233d
I'm pretty fucking old in my head lol.
qfe0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 234d
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 233d
Spend a little over 15 hours in the ocean for 100 million, spread out over 5 years? Yeah I think I can handle that. I'd have to get better at swimming though. Storms would be scary, and honestly the biggest threat would be waste dumps and ships, but I think I could take that risk. It seems to be that you'd be at the surface so I'd want clarification on that one.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 234d
Free vacations? Fuck yea!
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 234d
Actually, I set it for the time I want to go to sleep, and then I have an amazing relaxation ritual every night. Can I renew for 5 more years?
Edit: Or choose whenever the middle of the night in the Pacific is, so you have the statistically best chance of the best view of the night sky.
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
That would be amazing
Atlas_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 234d
If I die, I die
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 234d
So, every day at a set time for five years, I get to experiment with a highly sophisticated novel technology in a repeatable experiment to figure out how it works?
Sounds like that alone is worth more than $100M
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 233d
Absolutely I would take this deal.
I thoroughly enjoyed swimming in the open ocean the few times I've had a chance to and would love to do it again. I'm sure there would be some days that would be quite frightening, but I'll bet there would be a bunch of days that I would be disappointed with only 30 seconds.
As mentioned by a few, I'm assuming this means the surface of the ocean and not random depths, which would mean instant death at some point and would make the deal completely un-survivable.
HollowNaught@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
I have a very large fear of the open ocean, and even I'd take that deal
JPSound@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 233d
Id tread water for 30 minutes a day anywhere in the world with that level of protection.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 234d
Fuck. Yes.
Shamber@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 233d
Get a life!
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 0 pts · 231d
A ten minute commute is more dangerous than this shit.