It's a bit shifty though, the packages are all over the place and you need to actually look for and vet package vendors instead of just trusting one for-profit company to handle it all and not enshittify.
I get what Canonical was going for with snaps but wow did they ever ruin Ubuntu's reputation. It used to be the clear choice for anyone who wanted a generic Linux where you don't have to configure everything yourself. Sure some people didn't like Unity but the core distro still worked well and was stable. With snaps, package management has become more complex than other distros while decreasing performance if memory limited (and who isn't nowadays). The number of times I've had something not work in the "stable" snap package is far too many, and it's pretty much always fixed by installing the same package with apt.
I get the reasoning for sandboxing applications, but they needed to wait until it was more stable to make the default. At this rate I doubt we're ever going to get a truly mainstream desktop Linux distro rivaling macos and Windows...
In my opinion, Linux Mint has filled this gap. If anyone asks its a good recommendation to ensure they don't have to jump through hoops to get a stable system out of the gate. Essentially the stability of debian and usability of Ubuntu without snap
100%. It's the goto starter distro for good reason. Ux is familiar, and it works ootb.
They've also got the LMDE, which is mint based on Debian rather than Ubuntu. Haven't tried it personally, but I've heard good things from people who are determined not to touch anything Ubuntu adjacent for whatever reason, whilst still providing an ootb environment that is stable and ux friendly.
Ubuntu is Debian based anyway, so I'd imagine parts of Ubuntu have been pulled out to bridge the gap between Debian and mint, but given mint are anti snap; that's something that definitely wouldn't be copied over to LMDE (and like you pointed out, is disabled in standard mint anyway).
I liked unity when they were trying to do interesting changes. I especially liked the attempt at making apps work with the menu at the top of the screen instead of the top of the window (Mac OS style).
When they gave up on that, it became pointless with nothing useful to add.
What were they going for with snaps? I'm really not trying to be snarky. I genuinely don't understand why my favorite OS that has become more and more stable and usable since I first started using it, has now switched to this crap. I now need to reconfigure snap profiles to make normal usage possible? Wtf!
Snaps bundle dependencies and sandbox applications. The dependencies aspect is what matters more to me, but apparently there's also security benefits if you were to try to install a malicious program.
You can remove snapd, doing so also removes a number of built in apps. But at that point you may start questioning why you're not just using Debian stable and add the stuff you want. Both of these options pretty much defeat the point of what Ubuntu was.
Huh, apparently Lemmy tries to turn that into a Lemmy link (and fails)? Both Voyager and web appear to turn it into some variant of instance.tld/nyarchlinux.moe
It's because the meme format comes from Japan. Red is a lucky color, and S is the highest grade you can get there. It's similar to how they associate white with funerals, so brides wear red for luck instead.
It's an automatic downvote for not including NixOS, despite having other niche distributions on the list (what even is the one at C tier?). Also, Windows? That is not even closely related to the Unix family of operating systems, let alone a Linux distribution.
104 Comments
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus · 143 pts · 213d
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 104 pts · 213d
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 38 pts · 213d
nope, windows 11 is my favorit linux distro :)
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 213d
WSL be like
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 7 pts · 212d
The ".nl" is for "never learned", right?
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 212d
SpicyTaint@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 213d
87Six@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 213d
Every day I learn a new word from you intelligent fucks
rtxn@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 213d
Look up where the word comes from if you want to be unreasonably angry.
hamFoilHat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
Oh, I'm so angry about... a reference to Gulliver's Travels?
ttyybb@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 212d
I was thinking that, then I saw Hannah Montana in S, so it can't be little-endian
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
I think they man left to right.
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 213d
What’s the red Naruto swirl one?
CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works · 57 pts · 213d
It's a spinoff of Ubuntu called Debian
/s
Morphit@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 212d
I heard they replaced snaps with their own package format.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 9 pts · 212d
It's a bit shifty though, the packages are all over the place and you need to actually look for and vet package vendors instead of just trusting one for-profit company to handle it all and not enshittify.
jim3692@discuss.online · 3 pts · 212d
Did you know that Ubuntu actually started as a Hannah Montana Linux spinoff?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
That's why the icon is spinning 😎
wazzupdog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 213d
Not sure if trolling or genuinely curious, but it's Debian.
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 213d
Debian? But I barely know ian!
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 213d
Debian these nuts xd gottem
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 212d
::: spoiler sudo apt install
sudo apt install deez nuts -y # haha gotte:::CAVOK@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
It's where the name comes from, yes. Ian and his then girlfriend Deborah.
I knew neither.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 213d
Uzumaki Ubunto
NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com · 8 pts · 213d
Dreamcast
dephyre@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 213d
No UwUntu, 0/10
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 213d
This tier list looking quite sus
KraeuterRoy@feddit.org · 36 pts · 213d
No sign of TempleOS? Gotta be fake!
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 5 pts · 212d
TempleOS has its own, sacred tier that mustn't be listed with the profane
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
They forgot to set it to Wumbo
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 212d
I get what Canonical was going for with snaps but wow did they ever ruin Ubuntu's reputation. It used to be the clear choice for anyone who wanted a generic Linux where you don't have to configure everything yourself. Sure some people didn't like Unity but the core distro still worked well and was stable. With snaps, package management has become more complex than other distros while decreasing performance if memory limited (and who isn't nowadays). The number of times I've had something not work in the "stable" snap package is far too many, and it's pretty much always fixed by installing the same package with apt.
I get the reasoning for sandboxing applications, but they needed to wait until it was more stable to make the default. At this rate I doubt we're ever going to get a truly mainstream desktop Linux distro rivaling macos and Windows...
KevinNoodle@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 212d
In my opinion, Linux Mint has filled this gap. If anyone asks its a good recommendation to ensure they don't have to jump through hoops to get a stable system out of the gate. Essentially the stability of debian and usability of Ubuntu without snap
javiwhite@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 212d
100%. It's the goto starter distro for good reason. Ux is familiar, and it works ootb.
They've also got the LMDE, which is mint based on Debian rather than Ubuntu. Haven't tried it personally, but I've heard good things from people who are determined not to touch anything Ubuntu adjacent for whatever reason, whilst still providing an ootb environment that is stable and ux friendly.
Ubuntu is Debian based anyway, so I'd imagine parts of Ubuntu have been pulled out to bridge the gap between Debian and mint, but given mint are anti snap; that's something that definitely wouldn't be copied over to LMDE (and like you pointed out, is disabled in standard mint anyway).
evol@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 212d
Yeah it also created yet another distribution method which is annoying. We have wayy to many in Linux
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 11 pts · 212d
XKCD 927: Standards
evol@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 212d
Reminds me to make a new distro that has the one True package manager
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 3 pts · 212d
Call it OTP just to make the acronym more ambiguous
Hawke@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
Winget?
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 212d
I liked Unity, but Ubuntu has always been a crashy mess.
Hawke@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
I liked unity when they were trying to do interesting changes. I especially liked the attempt at making apps work with the menu at the top of the screen instead of the top of the window (Mac OS style).
When they gave up on that, it became pointless with nothing useful to add.
BenjiRenji@feddit.org · 3 pts · 212d
What were they going for with snaps? I'm really not trying to be snarky. I genuinely don't understand why my favorite OS that has become more and more stable and usable since I first started using it, has now switched to this crap. I now need to reconfigure snap profiles to make normal usage possible? Wtf!
I need to switch.
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 212d
Snaps bundle dependencies and sandbox applications. The dependencies aspect is what matters more to me, but apparently there's also security benefits if you were to try to install a malicious program.
You can remove snapd, doing so also removes a number of built in apps. But at that point you may start questioning why you're not just using Debian stable and add the stuff you want. Both of these options pretty much defeat the point of what Ubuntu was.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 211d
Good new is that there are many different options outside of snap and Ubuntu
chautalees@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 212d
OP forgot to put the legends: S - Sucks Ass A - Ass B - Barely C - Ckinda mid D - Dope F - For Real For Real
thorhop@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 212d
If you ever have a wound, I will spit in it.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 211d
be careful they could like it
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 212d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 213d
Oh so we're fighting today.
Little8Lost@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 213d
No were not ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
baroque_n_roll@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 211d
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 211d
nah snaps aren't THAT good, they deserve A tier
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 211d
i love snaps :)
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 211d
So why didn't you put them in the S tier
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 211d
h
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 211d
You want to put them in hell?
Haaveilija@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
https://www.snapsvisor.eu/dryckesvisor/snapsvisa/419
Routhinator@startrek.website · -1 pts · 211d
Snaps should put them in F tier.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 212d
Where TempleOS?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 211d
It went to heaven
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 10 pts · 213d
100% accurate. I can tell you put a lot of research into it. Thank you for your work.
ttyybb@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 212d
How have I not heard of AmongOS?
Vitaly@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 212d
It's pretty good apart from the OS side
bonenode@piefed.social · 2 pts · 212d
Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 212d
Mint is D for Delicious 😋
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 8 pts · 213d
The tierlist of every person going to an "opensource conference".
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
From shit to fantastic.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 213d
Where suse?
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 212d
In S tier bc alphabet
klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol · 7 pts · 213d
No mention of Microsoft Bob, BillindaOS11 in S tier. Obvious anti-MSBob slander, 0/10 ragebait
Masterkraft0r@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 212d
even on this joke list:
NixOS Erasure!
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 212d
nix18
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 6 pts · 212d
You forgot Firefox.
jim3692@discuss.online · 3 pts · 212d
And Symbian
msage@programming.dev · 6 pts · 211d
Gentooooooooooooooo!!1!
thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 211d
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 211d
null and void
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 212d
Trolling along.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 213d
Needs more Nyarch linux
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 212d
Huh, apparently Lemmy tries to turn that into a Lemmy link (and fails)? Both Voyager and web appear to turn it into some variant of instance.tld/nyarchlinux.moe
The actual link should be like this: Nyarch
Unless that breaks too? IDK what happened here.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 212d
Weird, i have no idea either
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
no endeavouros, no upvote
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
Its above S tier. OP just did a bad job cropping
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 211d
nah its Z tier fr
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d
The S stands for "Shit"?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 212d
Why is the best in red and worst in green? I never understood this rating scheme's color choices.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 211d
It's because the meme format comes from Japan. Red is a lucky color, and S is the highest grade you can get there. It's similar to how they associate white with funerals, so brides wear red for luck instead.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 210d
That's an awesome TIL! Thank you!
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 212d
idk, im used to it now. but when tierlists first got popular i thought S was the worst
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 212d
It’s not suppose to be. Typically S Tier would be considered the highest ranking, the colours are certainly throwing it off.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 213d
HML4Life
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 212d
Nice
I agree
eta@feddit.org · 2 pts · 213d
F-tier to pay respect
jojowakaki@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
I see you are not serious about the list. If you were you'd have red star Linux and justin Bieber Linux up there with Hannah Montana Linux and amogOS
chunes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
I give this tier list an S for not including the only distro that deserves its own tier below F:
Pencilnoob@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
smh Bazzite doesn't even get on the list
Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
Is today opposite day?
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 212d
No
stinky@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 213d
XaetaCore@lemmy.neondystopia.world · 1 pts · 204d
Gentoo is so based it transcends this list
saturn57@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Heresy! AmogOS should be S+ tier.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 213d
Would be better if specifically Windows 11 and 8.1 were at top of S tier above the other versions
+Windows Me. Still the GOAT
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 212d
I barely remember WinMe...
As I installed over it with 98SE on a laptop. Didn't even hear the screaming.
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 213d
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 213d
Maybe it's VMed in HML.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 213d
There is a
C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\folder 🤷♂️lung@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
What?! You can run whole Linux apps on Windows
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 0 pts · 213d
It's an open-sores OS with unix-light mechanics
mudkip@lemdro.id · -7 pts · 211d
It's an automatic downvote for not including NixOS, despite having other niche distributions on the list (what even is the one at C tier?). Also, Windows? That is not even closely related to the Unix family of operating systems, let alone a Linux distribution.
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 211d
whoosh
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 211d
I'd put Nix in the L tier since it males me think of linguine
SyntaxError@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
There is Windows Subsystem for Linux.