Last time I voted cops were talking to a guy in a red hat outside, but everyone was chill and they were laughing and joking so I didn't pay attention.
Everyone inside, totally on edge.
I found out later that guy had taken his shirt off and yelled at poll workers which was especially problematic because he had a loaded gun tucked into his pants. No holster and I'm not even sure he had a belt.
He might be there next time too, just in uniform.
I don't give a fuck, because I know what happened in the South when people caved to that kind of voter intimidation. I'm casting a ballet even if there's bullets actively being fired at the polling location.
All this shit does is make voting more important, that's how we need to frame it.
Im considering finding a local polling location where I can stand watch and gather other like minded people so there are more of us than them there. They will be the intimidated, they are the minority.
Hi, poll worker here and this is absolutely accurate. If you stand in or near our polling place we will absolutely have you removed.
However… observing polls is a core part of a functional democracy and I strongly encourage you to do so. Each county is a bit different, but essentially every single one of them have some sort of process that you can register as an observer and you’ll be legally protected while observing and documenting what you see. If you’re affiliated with a political party, contact your local officials and they can help facilitate, as most observers are party affiliated.
Can you explain to me the logic of using voting as a tactic at this point? I'm very confused by the "I'll vote no matter what" that runs counter to the fact that we literally will have a fascist military force that will be involved in the voting process.
Do you think we live in a world that has SS troops door knocking BUT we also will somehow have a fair election as long as we are "brave enough"? Like, I'm genuinely asking. Do you think we can vote fascist out of power?
They'll guard the polls. They'll redistrict maps. They'll murder people in the street and say it was "self defense". They'll kidnap children. But, if we just vote them out they'll go "aw shucks, I guess we gotta pack it up".
I genuinely want to know if people think we're still at a point that we can just turn this around with voting. Am I out of touch? Like, I'm not trying to be a Doomer. There are other ways to fight them. I'm not saying to not vote if you're safe to do so. But if you're gonna dodge bullets to go vote. I really want to know if you really think that that will actually make fascist give up their power.
They spent over a month not swearing in an elected official to stop a vote on the Epstein files. What do you think they'll do if they lose too many seats? Genuinely. Am I crazy? Or am I actually paying attention?
the overwhelming majority of the country lives paycheck to paycheck or is otherwise one accident away from destitution
keeping people just on that edge of survival but not literally starving acts as great tool for keeping the poors inline, has been the US's bread and butter for many decades now
But, if we just vote them out they'll go "aw shucks, I guess we gotta pack it up".
I know Jan 6 happened, but they fucked off after losing the election in 2029 when the found no means of weaseling their way to hold onto power. Voting was a means to that end. Not the sole solution but absolutely a tool to be leveraged, imo.
Yeah but then Biden came into power and did nothing to stop fascism, continued to fund and support the same agencies, continued to support genocide in Palestine, and so on. Democrats are the enemy too. You must realize this.
This shit won't work. It has been tried for decades. It is a big, stinking, failure. Leave it in the garbage can of history and come into the future with us, comrade. The revolution needs you.
You're not crazy. I think most people are firmly still in denial. Nobody wants to acknowledge the ugly truth of the alternative, and the necessary sacrifices involved.
Honestly, thank you. I keep seeing people pointing at things and just following up with literally pointing back at the system that has been destroyed as the solution. I guess it is denial. But often times it's hostile denial. Like, I'm the problem for saying we need to work outside of the system that has been destroyed. Or worse, that I caused it somehow by wanting to fight against it.
I see a lot of that, too. It's tragic. It makes me think of faith. People believe in their gods (the system) to protect them so long as they follow the required rituals, ceremonies, and do not question their beliefs.
People are very heavily invested into their belief and trust in the system. Seeing physical evidence of how the system doesn't work causes cognitive dissonance which can be resolved either by accepting reality (the system won't protect me, I am very vulnerable) or by continuing to reject it in some way - denial, bargaining, doomerism, etc.
All we can do is keep fighting. More and more people are waking up. I used to get hundreds of downvotes on Reddit for telling people that laws are optional for the wealthy. I remember getting yelled at by hundreds of comments about how Bill Gates is "one of the good ones", wouldn't happen now, and maybe some of those people who I argued with are further left now because of me. Progress is slow so it feels invisible to us while we're in the present. But have faith, we will win in the end.
Thanks. I don't think we will win in my lifetime though. And that's something I have to accept. Planting trees you won't enjoy the shade of and all that.
planting trees today hoping nobody cuts them down tomorrow
tangentially speaking only 00.008% of my state is still 'Old Growth Forest' which is defined as being at least 150 years old. If we define the length of a generation as 25 years then it's only 6 generations before your tree is %0.01 likely to be still around
Time to plan to have 50 or 100 people at every polling station in every blue & red state. There should be enough retirees, unemployed, house-parents, teens to make it happen. 1 Million average Americans of every political affiliation to defend their democracy for a day.
Saw a video a week or two ago. Cops roll up. Group of Black Panthers are heavily armed on a public sidewalk. The cops tell them to leave. They say "no". The cops leave.
It's a whole hell of a lot harder to oppress people who are heavily armed and in groups.
I know that the Black Panthers have a history of protecting polls while armed, but perhaps it's time we allow people of all colors to be armed and protecting the polls.
Someone pointed out in another thread that schools and govt buildings where polling stations are already dont permit guns. But if ther are 50 of us there, the 10 of them they can muster will run like the cowards they are.
That's the issue with the government's monopoly on violence here. It's okay if they bring their guns to terrorize people, but it's not okay for ordinary people to protect others.
Everyone shows up to the polls heavily armed and stays until everyone has voted.
Actually, not even everyone has to be armed. Just enough to form a group. Do not try this on your own. Totally safe if you're in a group that's packing though. They're cowards. They're only going to mess with people who can't defend themselves.
I'm calling it: they're going to have Palantir set them up with a database of likely Democrat voters paired with facial recognition and detain everyone who is a positive match on their way to the polls until the polling station closes.
And then they'll have the mail-in votes thrown out.
I doubt facial recognition technology works well enough for that to be feasible, I think facial recognition technology using just cameras, esp. without high quality photos, is a bit like the polygraph/lie detector, it can give you some bullshit grounds to subject people to additional scrutiny basically on a whim, but has little practical application
They're trying to use it but I don't think the technology itself is reliable. It could be reliable with LIDAR but I think photos alone are not enough, especially from blurry/low res images.
I think it's mostly a scare tactic to dissuade dissent.
They'll round up whoever they like and use facial recognition as justification. My point is I don't think they can use facial recognition in a way that wouldn't also get false positives (i.e. without preventing MAGA votes). I think it's way more likely that ICE will just be used as voter intimidation in blue states.
Truly the most accurate comparison to ICE on paper. Schutzstaffel (SS) is the one everyone knows about and for practical reasons in the public eye, it's a good analogy, but it'd be beneficial for people be aware of Sturmabteilung (SA), because the SS were far worse following the Nazi party's truly solidifying grip on power. History really does rhyme.
Also the SA where mostly thugs, like ICE. Only thing Hitler did far better was to praise them and stand behind them. Bovino was basically sacrificed without any honor (nor was he deserving), but Hitler made national monuments to the goons who died and memorialized them in song.
Until the night of the long knives, ofc, then he quite literally stabbed them in the back.
When Hitler was choosing his cabinet, he made Göhring Minister of the interior, which was head of the police. Then they put their SS inside of the Reichstag, when they cast the vote if Hitler should have absolute power (for a limited time, to solve a fake issue). The police, now under Göhring, didn't stop them. The SS stood everywhere, shouting Nazi paroles and threatening the Reichstag-members to apply violence if the vote does not come out their way. Back then in the Reichstag, voting wasn't anonymous. The deed was done.
Some brave leftists still openly said they cannot vote yes, many were later captured and killed.
Hitler obviously just cancelled the limited time part and kept the absolute power.
Many Germans later regretted, not having fought more, when they saw it all coming.
Guys, everything was alarming so far. Announcing to have ICE at the polls is even more alarming. You cannot have the Shitler get that far, where it is too late. You must act now!
There are far more polling locations than ice agents. Even if they selectively pick the purple ones and deploy every agent they're unlikely to end up with more than a couple agents at each.
I guess that also means those agents either don't get to vote or have to do early voting.
So if ICE is protecting the polls from voter fraud and a Republican gets replaced with a Democrat then wouldn't that be proof that the election was fair?
Trump won the last election, and despite the most review in history, no one has found evidence of widespread fraud. And yet, he continues to insist it was a fraudulent election!
It's not because of any logic. Like with most things, they want to establish it as the normal so that they can exploit it.
The problem is finding enough people who don't mind probably getting killed. That's generally why revolutions don't happen until the people are starving and have nothing left to lose.
America likely still has a while to go before that point.
Not as long as you think. We’re really close to a recession the likes of which multiple generations have never seen. Most people can just barely get by on what they’re making, the promise of put the work in and life will reward you has been disproven time and time again.
And if he fucks up tax returns bad enough, it could be as close as a month or two away. We’re honestly at the point where we should be taking bets on whether a blood clot or an angry mob takes this fucker out first.
The problem with that argument is that people who have done that aren’t here to argue with you. You are stuck with those of us who haven’t been imprisoned shot and killed yet.
Your gatekeeping basically means nobody can be taken seriously until they are no longer capable of making their argument.
Yeah, I think it was expanded with the patriot act so it would cover majority of the more heavily populated cities. Also if you notice majority of ice is positioned in left leaning places.
I used to think going to The Polls, on The Day was cool. Citizens participating in Democracy. Awesome. I’ve rethought a lot of things, changed my life in significant ways. Regarding voting, I have not changed, I will always vote in every election, as I have since I turned 18. The difference, is I get an early ballot, I sit in front of the computer and read up on the bond issues, candidates, other matters, and take my time to understand how I need to vote. Then I fill out my ballot, put it in one envelope, and the second one. And I go. Usually by bicycle, directly to the county office, at a time of my own convenience, and put my ballot in the special drop box that is there specifically for this purpose. It’s easier in some ways. And I miss those random moments running into a neighbor at the polls.
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oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 243 pts · 213d
Ah yes voter intimidation, something that only happens in healthy stable democracies of course
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 213d
Last time I voted cops were talking to a guy in a red hat outside, but everyone was chill and they were laughing and joking so I didn't pay attention.
Everyone inside, totally on edge.
I found out later that guy had taken his shirt off and yelled at poll workers which was especially problematic because he had a loaded gun tucked into his pants. No holster and I'm not even sure he had a belt.
He might be there next time too, just in uniform.
I don't give a fuck, because I know what happened in the South when people caved to that kind of voter intimidation. I'm casting a ballet even if there's bullets actively being fired at the polling location.
All this shit does is make voting more important, that's how we need to frame it.
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 213d
Im considering finding a local polling location where I can stand watch and gather other like minded people so there are more of us than them there. They will be the intimidated, they are the minority.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 213d
Great spirit, terrible idea.
You won't make anyone feel more comfortable, you'll just make things crowded and chaotic.
The only reason anyone should be at a polling location is casting a vote.
You want to group up somewhere and show support, do it a block away within eyesight. Have signs and shit about how voting matters now more than ever.
Chances are ICE will come fuck with you anyways, which is still a win because then they're not at the polling station either.
keckbug@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 213d
Hi, poll worker here and this is absolutely accurate. If you stand in or near our polling place we will absolutely have you removed.
However… observing polls is a core part of a functional democracy and I strongly encourage you to do so. Each county is a bit different, but essentially every single one of them have some sort of process that you can register as an observer and you’ll be legally protected while observing and documenting what you see. If you’re affiliated with a political party, contact your local officials and they can help facilitate, as most observers are party affiliated.
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 213d
Excellent. Thank you. This is what we need to know. We just need to have sufficient numbers of people doing legal observation at the right places.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 212d
Can you explain to me the logic of using voting as a tactic at this point? I'm very confused by the "I'll vote no matter what" that runs counter to the fact that we literally will have a fascist military force that will be involved in the voting process.
Do you think we live in a world that has SS troops door knocking BUT we also will somehow have a fair election as long as we are "brave enough"? Like, I'm genuinely asking. Do you think we can vote fascist out of power?
They'll guard the polls. They'll redistrict maps. They'll murder people in the street and say it was "self defense". They'll kidnap children. But, if we just vote them out they'll go "aw shucks, I guess we gotta pack it up".
I genuinely want to know if people think we're still at a point that we can just turn this around with voting. Am I out of touch? Like, I'm not trying to be a Doomer. There are other ways to fight them. I'm not saying to not vote if you're safe to do so. But if you're gonna dodge bullets to go vote. I really want to know if you really think that that will actually make fascist give up their power.
They spent over a month not swearing in an elected official to stop a vote on the Epstein files. What do you think they'll do if they lose too many seats? Genuinely. Am I crazy? Or am I actually paying attention?
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 212d
Multiple fronts required. No one action will be the solution.
And most importantly, daily microresistance and malicious compliance, sabotage, redirection, and education.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 212d
Agree completely. I am just shocked at the amount of people that stop after your first bullet point.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
the overwhelming majority of the country lives paycheck to paycheck or is otherwise one accident away from destitution
keeping people just on that edge of survival but not literally starving acts as great tool for keeping the poors inline, has been the US's bread and butter for many decades now
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 211d
Thank you for seeing us. We care as much as we can manage. I wish more people had the time to be civically active and educated...
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 2 pts · 212d
My take on what is likely necessary to end fascism:
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 212d
The 4 boxes of liberty: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the ammo box (preferably in that order).
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d
I know Jan 6 happened, but they fucked off after losing the election in 2029 when the found no means of weaseling their way to hold onto power. Voting was a means to that end. Not the sole solution but absolutely a tool to be leveraged, imo.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 4 pts · 212d
Yeah but then Biden came into power and did nothing to stop fascism, continued to fund and support the same agencies, continued to support genocide in Palestine, and so on. Democrats are the enemy too. You must realize this.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d
That’s why I encourage everyone to engage with and support actual progressive candidates. Then you gotta vote for them when primaries roll around
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 0 pts · 212d
This shit won't work. It has been tried for decades. It is a big, stinking, failure. Leave it in the garbage can of history and come into the future with us, comrade. The revolution needs you.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 1 pts · 212d
You're not crazy. I think most people are firmly still in denial. Nobody wants to acknowledge the ugly truth of the alternative, and the necessary sacrifices involved.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 212d
Honestly, thank you. I keep seeing people pointing at things and just following up with literally pointing back at the system that has been destroyed as the solution. I guess it is denial. But often times it's hostile denial. Like, I'm the problem for saying we need to work outside of the system that has been destroyed. Or worse, that I caused it somehow by wanting to fight against it.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 1 pts · 212d
I see a lot of that, too. It's tragic. It makes me think of faith. People believe in their gods (the system) to protect them so long as they follow the required rituals, ceremonies, and do not question their beliefs.
People are very heavily invested into their belief and trust in the system. Seeing physical evidence of how the system doesn't work causes cognitive dissonance which can be resolved either by accepting reality (the system won't protect me, I am very vulnerable) or by continuing to reject it in some way - denial, bargaining, doomerism, etc.
All we can do is keep fighting. More and more people are waking up. I used to get hundreds of downvotes on Reddit for telling people that laws are optional for the wealthy. I remember getting yelled at by hundreds of comments about how Bill Gates is "one of the good ones", wouldn't happen now, and maybe some of those people who I argued with are further left now because of me. Progress is slow so it feels invisible to us while we're in the present. But have faith, we will win in the end.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 212d
Thanks. I don't think we will win in my lifetime though. And that's something I have to accept. Planting trees you won't enjoy the shade of and all that.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 212d
planting trees today hoping nobody cuts them down tomorrow
tangentially speaking only 00.008% of my state is still 'Old Growth Forest' which is defined as being at least 150 years old. If we define the length of a generation as 25 years then it's only 6 generations before your tree is %0.01 likely to be still around
-If you were in my state.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 66 pts · 213d
You know, for somebody so friendly with Epstein, Bannon sure does seem to be not in jail for some fucking reason?
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 213d
Well, he was pardoned by Trump.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 213d
Only for defrauding trump supporters.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 43 pts · 212d
Then we'll surround ICE. Fuck em
baller_w@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 212d
Right. Show up and do the needful.
I’ve seen armed “guards” and my polling station before and it’s unsettling to say the least.
Say no words. Just vote.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 212d
So maybe armed black Panthers should show up to defend the voting stations?
ameancow@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 212d
Sasquatch@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 212d
They don't need to surround every polling station. Just the ones in blue states
ameancow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 212d
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 212d
Time to plan to have 50 or 100 people at every polling station in every blue & red state. There should be enough retirees, unemployed, house-parents, teens to make it happen. 1 Million average Americans of every political affiliation to defend their democracy for a day.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
mcv@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 211d
Every state should be blue after the midterms.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 212d
Yup.
Saw a video a week or two ago. Cops roll up. Group of Black Panthers are heavily armed on a public sidewalk. The cops tell them to leave. They say "no". The cops leave.
It's a whole hell of a lot harder to oppress people who are heavily armed and in groups.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 212d
Panthers tend to known their rights too. Education and confidence are a powerful combination
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
Supported by White Panthers. Re-found the WPP!
ameancow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 212d
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de · 40 pts · 213d
I know that the Black Panthers have a history of protecting polls while armed, but perhaps it's time we allow people of all colors to be armed and protecting the polls.
There's a lot more of us than there are of ICE.
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 213d
Someone pointed out in another thread that schools and govt buildings where polling stations are already dont permit guns. But if ther are 50 of us there, the 10 of them they can muster will run like the cowards they are.
atlasquill892@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
That's the issue with the government's monopoly on violence here. It's okay if they bring their guns to terrorize people, but it's not okay for ordinary people to protect others.
formergijoe@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 212d
Steve Bannon, the Epstein PR guy?
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 212d
Yep. Does anyone know if he's in the tRUMP-Epstein files?
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 27 pts · 213d
Trump wants ICE to THREATEN NON REPUBLICAN VOTERS WITH GUNS? Wow! They probably need a LOT of Funding for That! Let's give it to Them!
-Democrats Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries!
madjo@piefed.social · 4 pts · 212d
Spineless Israel lover Chuck Schumer and his lackie Hakeem Jeffries.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 1 pts · 212d
"Be sure to give them body cams so the destruction of the constitution will be well documented" - feckless Dems
randompasta@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 212d
Fucking nazis.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 212d
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 212d
King of Wishful Thinking
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
I suppose but you can imagine how awesome it would be
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 211d
We’re gonna need a bigger basket (for all the heads)
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
We can set up this as a reminder of where greed leads
lmagitem@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 212d
Marchons, marchons...
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 212d
Simple.
Everyone shows up to the polls heavily armed and stays until everyone has voted.
Actually, not even everyone has to be armed. Just enough to form a group. Do not try this on your own. Totally safe if you're in a group that's packing though. They're cowards. They're only going to mess with people who can't defend themselves.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 212d
GET YOUR FUCKING GUNS, Y’ALL
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 212d
If you can't vote by ballot, vote by bullet.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 212d
A bunch of glorious revolutionaries with their squirrel shooters, against the United States military.
That's going to end well.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 213d
I'm calling it: they're going to have Palantir set them up with a database of likely Democrat voters paired with facial recognition and detain everyone who is a positive match on their way to the polls until the polling station closes.
And then they'll have the mail-in votes thrown out.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 2 pts · 212d
I doubt facial recognition technology works well enough for that to be feasible, I think facial recognition technology using just cameras, esp. without high quality photos, is a bit like the polygraph/lie detector, it can give you some bullshit grounds to subject people to additional scrutiny basically on a whim, but has little practical application
wavebeam@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 3 pts · 212d
They're trying to use it but I don't think the technology itself is reliable. It could be reliable with LIDAR but I think photos alone are not enough, especially from blurry/low res images.
I think it's mostly a scare tactic to dissuade dissent.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 212d
That's the problem. They'll round up whomever.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 5 pts · 212d
They'll round up whoever they like and use facial recognition as justification. My point is I don't think they can use facial recognition in a way that wouldn't also get false positives (i.e. without preventing MAGA votes). I think it's way more likely that ICE will just be used as voter intimidation in blue states.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 213d
The old SA playbook
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 213d
Server architect? System analyst? Serial apologizer?
4am@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 213d
Sexual assaulter
TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 213d
Yes, but also Sturmabteilung
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
Sturm Abteilung (stormfront) precursor to the SS who were Hitlers thugs who beat people at the polls to get them to vote for Hitler.
Hitler later stabbed them in the back during the night of the long knives.
n4ch1sm0@piefed.social · 7 pts · 212d
Truly the most accurate comparison to ICE on paper. Schutzstaffel (SS) is the one everyone knows about and for practical reasons in the public eye, it's a good analogy, but it'd be beneficial for people be aware of Sturmabteilung (SA), because the SS were far worse following the Nazi party's truly solidifying grip on power. History really does rhyme.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
Also the SA where mostly thugs, like ICE. Only thing Hitler did far better was to praise them and stand behind them. Bovino was basically sacrificed without any honor (nor was he deserving), but Hitler made national monuments to the goons who died and memorialized them in song.
Until the night of the long knives, ofc, then he quite literally stabbed them in the back.
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 213d
Oh look, little Stevie is yelling for attention again..
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 213d
He's in the files sucking up to Epstein post-2008.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 212d
Epstein had a meeting scheduled with Bannon to outline a documentary on revamping Epstein's image the day Epstein was arrested for the final time.
klay1@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 211d
When Hitler was choosing his cabinet, he made Göhring Minister of the interior, which was head of the police. Then they put their SS inside of the Reichstag, when they cast the vote if Hitler should have absolute power (for a limited time, to solve a fake issue). The police, now under Göhring, didn't stop them. The SS stood everywhere, shouting Nazi paroles and threatening the Reichstag-members to apply violence if the vote does not come out their way. Back then in the Reichstag, voting wasn't anonymous. The deed was done. Some brave leftists still openly said they cannot vote yes, many were later captured and killed. Hitler obviously just cancelled the limited time part and kept the absolute power.
Many Germans later regretted, not having fought more, when they saw it all coming.
Guys, everything was alarming so far. Announcing to have ICE at the polls is even more alarming. You cannot have the Shitler get that far, where it is too late. You must act now!
Good luck over there, regards from Germany.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 212d
There are far more polling locations than ice agents. Even if they selectively pick the purple ones and deploy every agent they're unlikely to end up with more than a couple agents at each.
I guess that also means those agents either don't get to vote or have to do early voting.
ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 212d
Imagine they lose the midterms by preventing ICE goons from voting by making them work all day
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 212d
When a Republican tells you what they're going to do, believe them. There will never be another fair election in the United States.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 213d
So if ICE is protecting the polls from voter fraud and a Republican gets replaced with a Democrat then wouldn't that be proof that the election was fair?
Like proving himself wrong.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 213d
That's not how he works. This is how it works: He says words = TRUE.
Bear in mind he doesn’t have talent, or skill, or knowledge, or training, or experience. It’s just money. Dirty old money.
All you need to screw over the WORLD is money.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 213d
Fuck capitalism
kboos1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 212d
That's not capitalism, money equals more money, that's true everywhere
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 212d
Fuck "that's not capitalism"
And fuck money too
frongt@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 213d
Trump won the last election, and despite the most review in history, no one has found evidence of widespread fraud. And yet, he continues to insist it was a fraudulent election!
It's not because of any logic. Like with most things, they want to establish it as the normal so that they can exploit it.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d
Wait.....trump is saying the 2024 election was rigged?
Uhhhhh, interesting choice of stratagy. Guess we'll have to swear in Kamala immediately, if trump is admitting to election fraud now.
atlasquill892@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
It's similar to the main contradiction in fascism, which is that the enemy is both all-powerful and weak in comparison to the main group in question.
The logic here is that according to them there was widespread rigging, but Trump "just" managed to win because he's that popular.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 212d
he said it right after he won.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 213d
They say it is to make sure that "illegals" didn't vote.
In reality the real goal of ICE is to be gestapo. Undocumented immigrants are just being used as excuse.
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 212d
Great. Send half of them to the North Pole, half of them to the South. Problem solved.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 212d
Might have to bring out my rosebud
jason@discuss.online · 9 pts · 212d
Eggs and water balloons. We should start with that now. What are they going to do?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 212d
Shoot you?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 212d
Shoot back. We outnumber them.
village604@adultswim.fan · 10 pts · 212d
The problem is finding enough people who don't mind probably getting killed. That's generally why revolutions don't happen until the people are starving and have nothing left to lose.
America likely still has a while to go before that point.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
Not as long as you think. We’re really close to a recession the likes of which multiple generations have never seen. Most people can just barely get by on what they’re making, the promise of put the work in and life will reward you has been disproven time and time again.
And if he fucks up tax returns bad enough, it could be as close as a month or two away. We’re honestly at the point where we should be taking bets on whether a blood clot or an angry mob takes this fucker out first.
jason@discuss.online · 3 pts · 212d
Drone dropped water balloons and eggs it is.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
If fear repels you, they win. There is no glory in death but if you fuck em up first. What are they going to do, die again?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 212d
So you out there shooting ice? How many you killed so far?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 212d
“You didn’t shoot someone yet? How can I possibly take you seriously.”
This is the argument you are making and it’s preposterous.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 212d
If you're criticizing people for not doing something you're ostensibly unwilling to do, that's the preposterous argument.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Otherwise fuck off criticizing people who don't want to die.
That's with a royal 'you' since I know you're not the person they responded to.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 211d
The problem with that argument is that people who have done that aren’t here to argue with you. You are stuck with those of us who haven’t been imprisoned shot and killed yet.
Your gatekeeping basically means nobody can be taken seriously until they are no longer capable of making their argument.
That exactly the kind of shit Nazis push.
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 211d
I don't think you know what gatekeeping is.
Saying it's wrong to shit on people for not doing something you're unwilling to do yourself isn't gatekeeping. It's calling out hypocrisy.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 212d
I live in a nation that doesn't have ICE. And I am not going to solve it for the americans. Plenty of guns per person, have at it.
I do like the Black Panters. They got the gist.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 8 pts · 213d
What does ICE have to elections? Shouldn't they be at border or something?
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 213d
You're thinking of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They're talking about the Inbred Christo-fascist Enforcers
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 0 pts · 213d
I'm thinking there is a unchecked police force going around the country. I wonder if ICE when to Alaska or Hawaii, i haven't heard.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 212d
I don't know, why are they going to the Winter Olympics in Italy?
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 212d
They want to pay homage to the 1936 summer Olympics.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 1 pts · 212d
Remote work opportunities
SpacePanda@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 213d
Their jurisdiction is like 1200 miles from the border.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 3 pts · 213d
Thanks, that clears it up
SpacePanda@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 212d
Yeah, I think it was expanded with the patriot act so it would cover majority of the more heavily populated cities. Also if you notice majority of ice is positioned in left leaning places.
RePsyche@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
I used to think going to The Polls, on The Day was cool. Citizens participating in Democracy. Awesome. I’ve rethought a lot of things, changed my life in significant ways. Regarding voting, I have not changed, I will always vote in every election, as I have since I turned 18. The difference, is I get an early ballot, I sit in front of the computer and read up on the bond issues, candidates, other matters, and take my time to understand how I need to vote. Then I fill out my ballot, put it in one envelope, and the second one. And I go. Usually by bicycle, directly to the county office, at a time of my own convenience, and put my ballot in the special drop box that is there specifically for this purpose. It’s easier in some ways. And I miss those random moments running into a neighbor at the polls.
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 212d
Well at least they're very open and clear about their intentions, and why
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 212d
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 212d
I can't wait til that ghoul dies also.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 4 pts · 213d
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-laws-against-intimidation-voters-and-election-workers
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 212d
This hump has all the charm of an unwiped asshole.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 213d
Seeing as it's mostly Trump supporters showing up to the polls that would probably sway them to vote the other way.
madjo@piefed.social · 2 pts · 212d
It's in the ICE agents best interest too, otherwise they'd have to pay back their signing bonus.