I love how this goes along with another reply saying vegans are too weak to play. Shit, man, I'd like to try paintball but if I'm forced to use marbles then yeah I guess I am too weak lmao
The origin of Abrahamic dietary laws is not certain. There is no obvious benefit in terms of hygiene, also not in ancient times (they long predate "medieval" times). Keep in mind that poultry carries a significant risk of salmonella poisoning.
It has been suggested that the origin might have simply been that pigs are viewed as unclean due to their own diet including carrion. Another speculated reason is that rulers might have wanted to promote poultry due to it being a more economical way of raising livestock.
i have a specific unusual food allergy. I always presumed abraham or ishmael or jacob or moses or one of them mythical folk had a food allergy against pigs and said "you know what, if i started a religion about not eating pigs maybe i wouldn't get the runs every time i went out to eat"
There was also the result of drawing a sharp line between the in-group and everyone else. If we have strict dietary laws but the people on the other side of the hill don’t share them, then it follows that they’re unspeakable barbarians, and that we should not trade or cooperate with them, let alone intermarry, and indeed, it’s acceptable to kill them and take their stuff, as surely such a barbarous people would do the same to us.
No, that's just an ad-hoc rationalization. Before refrigeration, people didn't just leave fresh meat lying around. Either it was consumed immediately after cooking it, or it was smoked, cured or dried right away after butchering (people used much more salt than they do nowadays for e.g. modern hams to make sure the meat lasted a long time). The climate doesn't really matter - in temperate climates fresh meat goes bad rapidly as well.
Just going to point out that cold storage predates modern refrigeration by literal millenia, hell there was a Greek island that mastered it well enough to consistently manufacture ice cream. I think the term I've heard is lagen basically a stone basement with evaporation boxes that can be used to keep tempatures around 50°F. The problem was consistency and how much labor it took to actually build the things, also they'd sometimes just kinda break if the environment shifted too much or were only usable during certain seasons.
It reminds me of Northern Europeans stereotyping Southern Europeans as lazy. But Northern European don't realise it is mainly because Southern Europe is very hot to work for longer hours. The Southern European "siesta" of course carried over to Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Before Cuba gained independence from Spain, they only work three hours a day, and this happened only about one hundred years ago.
Could also just be an exaggerated case of "ew, poor people food", since pigs will eat damn near anything.
I guess chickens are similarly omnivorous and take up less space though (plus, eggs). And are arguably easier to transport and defend (a rooster can fuck you up)
I am thinking of a Dollop episode that discussed pigs in early New York City. They were the trash clean up before there were people dedicated to the job. They were allowed to just run free and scrounge whatever offal they could find. It could have been less that pigs were unclean, rather pigs kept things clean. If people ate all the pigs, there would be corpses and fecal matter lying around for extended periods of time which would cause disease.
Why would they mention the cloven hoof as a district identifier of haram? Why wouldn't they mention the cleanliness, if that is supposed to be the reason for the ban?
You ascend to the pearly gates. Saint Peter stands there, or the Islamic equivalent, whatever, holding a book with your record. He flips through it.
“Let’s see. Beat his wife and kids, no problem. Stole massive amounts of money, okay. Generally racist, shouldn’t be an issue. Killed a man in cold blood. It was a Jew, so no great loss. Wait. You used pork paintballs? Are you fucking kidding me?”
A hole opens beneath you. You fall straight to hell.
It doesn't offer any insight into how common these beliefs are or how strict these are adhered to, even comparatively within different sub beliefs.
Within christianity there's a certain amount of christians that believe specifically in space angels. Obviously halal is more common "within islam" but it seems a little weasely to write that without elaboration.
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jellyfishhunter@lemmy.world · 174 pts · 186d
I know nothing about paintball, but I feel like there has to be vegan paintballs.
ShankShill@sh.itjust.works · 70 pts · 185d
Marbles
fartographer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 185d
Fuck. I guess you're the one attending paintball with a Claymore.
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d
Damn, you play for keeps
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 184d
Painball.
cloudskater@pawb.social · 5 pts · 185d
I love how this goes along with another reply saying vegans are too weak to play. Shit, man, I'd like to try paintball but if I'm forced to use marbles then yeah I guess I am too weak lmao
danc4498@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 186d
Blend kale and almond milk.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 185d
A touch of nutritional yeast does wonders
Techlos@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 185d
Nooch gang nooch gang
cloudskater@pawb.social · 2 pts · 185d
Then ball-ify the mixture and shoot it directly into your opponents' mouths. Might break a few teeth but they'll taste alright going down!
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 185d
Agar maybe, or alginate
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
Soy beans. A tag doesn't count if you catch with your mouth.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · -11 pts · 185d
Most vegans are to weak to play.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d
A joke so cheap it can't even afford the second 'o'.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · -3 pts · 185d
Why use many 'o', when one 'o' do trick?
Tja@programming.dev · 7 pts · 185d
They can't even climb mount everest!!1!
deHaga@feddit.uk · 94 pts · 186d
It was just medieval food safety to not eat pork in hot countries. They really need to update their software.
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 186d
The origin of Abrahamic dietary laws is not certain. There is no obvious benefit in terms of hygiene, also not in ancient times (they long predate "medieval" times). Keep in mind that poultry carries a significant risk of salmonella poisoning.
It has been suggested that the origin might have simply been that pigs are viewed as unclean due to their own diet including carrion. Another speculated reason is that rulers might have wanted to promote poultry due to it being a more economical way of raising livestock.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 186d
i have a specific unusual food allergy. I always presumed abraham or ishmael or jacob or moses or one of them mythical folk had a food allergy against pigs and said "you know what, if i started a religion about not eating pigs maybe i wouldn't get the runs every time i went out to eat"
Nythos@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 185d
“Pork makes me shit so much that Moses could part it, that’s it! It’s banned”
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
i mean food that makes me shit a lot is banned in the religion i started that's all
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 184d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Verily he hath done it unto himself.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 13 pts · 185d
There was also the result of drawing a sharp line between the in-group and everyone else. If we have strict dietary laws but the people on the other side of the hill don’t share them, then it follows that they’re unspeakable barbarians, and that we should not trade or cooperate with them, let alone intermarry, and indeed, it’s acceptable to kill them and take their stuff, as surely such a barbarous people would do the same to us.
Doorbook@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
That doesn't match up with all the other teaching that all people are the same.
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 186d
Maybe they just thought pigs are too cute to eat.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 186d
Pigs of all animals?
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 185d
Have you perhaps never seen a pig?
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 185d
only in the city
deHaga@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 186d
I thought it was due to the parasites, worms?, that pork gets in hot arid countries which is why both the Jews and Muslims don't eat it
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 186d
No, that's just an ad-hoc rationalization. Before refrigeration, people didn't just leave fresh meat lying around. Either it was consumed immediately after cooking it, or it was smoked, cured or dried right away after butchering (people used much more salt than they do nowadays for e.g. modern hams to make sure the meat lasted a long time). The climate doesn't really matter - in temperate climates fresh meat goes bad rapidly as well.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 185d
Just going to point out that cold storage predates modern refrigeration by literal millenia, hell there was a Greek island that mastered it well enough to consistently manufacture ice cream. I think the term I've heard is lagen basically a stone basement with evaporation boxes that can be used to keep tempatures around 50°F. The problem was consistency and how much labor it took to actually build the things, also they'd sometimes just kinda break if the environment shifted too much or were only usable during certain seasons.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 186d
It reminds me of Northern Europeans stereotyping Southern Europeans as lazy. But Northern European don't realise it is mainly because Southern Europe is very hot to work for longer hours. The Southern European "siesta" of course carried over to Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Before Cuba gained independence from Spain, they only work three hours a day, and this happened only about one hundred years ago.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 186d
Could also just be an exaggerated case of "ew, poor people food", since pigs will eat damn near anything.
I guess chickens are similarly omnivorous and take up less space though (plus, eggs). And are arguably easier to transport and defend (a rooster can fuck you up)
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
I am thinking of a Dollop episode that discussed pigs in early New York City. They were the trash clean up before there were people dedicated to the job. They were allowed to just run free and scrounge whatever offal they could find. It could have been less that pigs were unclean, rather pigs kept things clean. If people ate all the pigs, there would be corpses and fecal matter lying around for extended periods of time which would cause disease.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 185d
isnt mostly pork tapeworm they worry about.
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Why would they mention the cloven hoof as a district identifier of haram? Why wouldn't they mention the cleanliness, if that is supposed to be the reason for the ban?
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 2 pts · 185d
Poultry eats carrion as well. Matter of fact, I'd wager pigs are more hygenic than poultry.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
Salmonella can be obtained just by touching chickens it doesn't require eating them. Trichinella is obtained by eating pork, raccoons, foxes, etc
Conjecture: it may have simply been trichinella
Raptor_007@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 186d
Yeah. Religion is well-known for its acceptance of logic 😆
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 186d
It's religion, not science. Unfortunately, logic isn't a requirement.
5oap10116@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 185d
Hindu paintballers be like
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 185d
Yeah wait, can we not make paintballs with...no animal parts?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 19 pts · 185d
Pretty sure it's jist the shell the paint is in that uses animal parts, and glycerine can be made from plants too. 🤷♂️
redundantgrouch@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 185d
You can definitely get Glycerine from a Bush.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 185d
I hate living in this wheel where everyone steals.
neclimdul@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 185d
Yeah it sucks, but when we rise it's like strawberry fields.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 185d
don't let the days go by
fuck, now I feel old
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 185d
ilu
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 184d
Yes. But would that cost money of the poor investors? Please think of the poor investors.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Is it a bad thing to get the most out of a resource? Even if the resource is personally disgusting.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 185d
I’m guessing the shell is made from gelatin or something? Which is made from animal bones. I can’t think of what else would be made from animal.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 182d
Well it does say gelatin in the text so
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 182d
lol damn it does. I quickly skimmed it but my brain skipped that part.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d
Yeah, that's kinda buried in the lead.
"Hey, just FYI, all your paintballs have pork fat in them" would be a more startling revelation.
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 184d
Literally 1857
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 186d
Someone needs to explain to me why there’s ANY animal product in a paintball in the first place.
new_guy@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 186d
Paintballs are made of gelatin. Gelatin is often just collagen and collagen is basically connective tissue.
kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 47 pts · 186d
Fun fact! This is why E Ink displays use pig products!
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 15 pts · 185d
Is there a Halal Kindle for the Islamic world?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 186d
New advertising campaign unlocked.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 184d
what
edinbruh@feddit.it · 13 pts · 186d
I only did paintball once, and that place didn't use gelatin balls, I think they were made of a thin bioplastic film (corn stuff) filled with ink
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev · 1 pts · 185d
TIL
BanMe@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 185d
Hope you aren't a gummy bear fan, cause I have news for you
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 185d
You know they're not really made of bears, right?
Electricd@lemmybefree.net · 6 pts · 185d
Nooooooo
FooBarrington@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 184d
You're gonna try and tell me that not a single bear ever fell into a vat of gelatine?
Kacarott@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 185d
There are vegan gummy bears though
katkit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
Yeah. They have improved by a lot in recent years, but the texture unfortunately still isn't comparable to the non-vegan ones.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 184d
ive seen WAY too many stories to ever try those
Kacarott@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 184d
I think you have vegan confused with sugar-free? Sugar is vegan :)
TheOakTree@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 184d
I learned from a friend that a lot of white sugar is bleached with the help of animal bones, so sugar isn't vegan across the board.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
I worked at a sugar factory. Beet sugar does not require that step. It's quite an interesting process. We did use formaldehyde at one stage, though.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 185d
Pectin FTW
responsible_sith@programming.dev · 42 pts · 186d
So you don't need them to be hallal if you just don't get hit.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 185d
Presumably they need to be able to touch their own balls?
petersr@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 185d
Don't we all?
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 186d
All the more motivation!!
kilgore_trout@feddit.it · 2 pts · 185d
You need to load them too.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 186d
Paintbalals
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 185d
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 15 pts · 186d
And halal paint balls still hurt when getting shot.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 55 pts · 186d
Shouldn't hurt too much, they do no haram
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 186d
I'll allow it.
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
🪙
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 186d
Do they hurt like halal?
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 186d
I see what you did there. Yes, they hurt halal.
Etterra@discuss.online · 11 pts · 184d
One man's religious stupidity is another man's business opportunity.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 184d
You die.
You ascend to the pearly gates. Saint Peter stands there, or the Islamic equivalent, whatever, holding a book with your record. He flips through it.
“Let’s see. Beat his wife and kids, no problem. Stole massive amounts of money, okay. Generally racist, shouldn’t be an issue. Killed a man in cold blood. It was a Jew, so no great loss. Wait. You used pork paintballs? Are you fucking kidding me?”
A hole opens beneath you. You fall straight to hell.
Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 183d
"I can forgive the wifebeating, the drunkenness, the rape, but the pork paintballs‽ To the deepest pits with you! Insha'Allah, motherfucker!"
/j, obviously
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 185d
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 186d
"Within islam" is doing a lot if work here that should be elaborated upon.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 185d
Pretty sure halal and Haram are terms used within Islam. Care to elaborate?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
A lor of sects in Christianity also forbid pork too so I think they are talking about that?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
It doesn't offer any insight into how common these beliefs are or how strict these are adhered to, even comparatively within different sub beliefs.
Within christianity there's a certain amount of christians that believe specifically in space angels. Obviously halal is more common "within islam" but it seems a little weasely to write that without elaboration.
fubarx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 186d
Are they also required to be... green?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.social · 44 pts · 186d
Green is the color of Islam because it is the religion of peas.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 184d
At first I thought pun is saying piss instead of peace and I thought we were in reddit for a second lmao.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.social · 5 pts · 184d
If your piss is green please consult your doctor :v