I try to remember that "unless we know everything we dont know everything"
I AM NOT DEFENDING BILL BUT as much as I believe Puff Daddy got away with a bunch of shit he definitely did that was illegal so much of what came out was just raging narcissism, hedonism, drug use and homosexuality. Most of their case was based on morality. They might have enough on Bill to "Ruin" him publicly but he draws a line at the pedophile tag. He might have loved doing coke and fucking ladyboys, he had a thing for African bisexual threeways who knows.
Id plead guilty and go to jail over a lot of things before I'd wear a pedophile conviction in the court of public opinion.
part of me wants to see it, but the other part of me doesnt want to see trump looking up at the camera all cock drunk with a huge presidential sized dick in his throat. fuckin blowin snot bubbles, all cross eyed and shit. orange makeup just congealed with cum and sweat, dripping down his chins. wearing a fucking jester hat or something.
Nothing to see here, just Bill making sure he's either going to swim by himself or sink with the lot of 'em. My current prediction is: absolutely nothing will continue to happen.
Sorry, I don’t understand who benefits from writing
absolutely nothing will continue to happen
Even if we think this may possibly be true or have been true, what virtue is there in us publicly signalling this kind of defeatism?
The reality is that a lot has happened already. The EFTA is a solid piece of legislation. They were forced to push it through unanimously. We have over 3,000,000 documents to go through. We maybe have gone over not even 50% of them and consorting pedophiles and associates in high politics and diplomatic circles have resigned and or are being investigated. This was unthinkable just 2 months ago.
He tried to capture Greenland, kidnapped a head of state, killed two citizens and this scandal is not going away.
And they have admitted they are withholding (even in the closed room session with congress) 3,000,000 documents.
This isn’t over and this will cause a very serious problem for a long time to come.
I mean, I can at least respect going into a negotiation holding a hand grenade tactic. I dont care how guilty I am if my co-conspirators try to make me a patsy I'd do the same thing.
It feels like an easy choice when everyone is calling you a pedo. I feel like most people could be a 100x worse than Bill and would still pull the same method if it might get the public to, bare minimum, think you aren't a pedo.
I mean, any president of high-ranking government official, just like any private-sector CEO or manager, using their position of power to coerce an intern to doing sexual acts, is pretty serious. Not to mention with politicians in particular that such behavior becomes a national security risk.
I know that Republicans did a lot of horrible propaganda to turn it into a political issue, but what Bill Clinton did was absolutely wrong and legitimate grounds for being removed from office.
Definitely terrible, but on a scale of terrible things that Presidents are capable of? International invasions? War? Genocide? Deconstruction of global economies? You have to absolutely consider the enormous implications of replacing them.
Not to get too tinfoil hatty, but I imagine this is a bluff. He can say let's do this in public because he's not in power. Trump/republicans can't really agree because then Bill will expose Trump. Bill gets to say I have nothing to hide and Trump can't make Bill actually testify publicly because then they would both be exposed. At any time, Bill could go to any journalist and explain everything. Its honestly pretty smart if you know that the republicans will never sell trump out, which is a pretty safe bet.
He just wants to clear up the trump blow job allegations. If only he could explain it's not sex because after Donny did the work he took over to finish himself off.
I agree, I thought the same thing. But it's still a good thing that he's doing it. Anything that publicly pressures and shames the Orange Pedophile Grifter is good.
First of all, it's not only the American people. Several peoples deserve answers, I'd say many, considering the influence of countries like the USA and the UK, and known victims from over the world.
Second, fuck Bubba. He does not need a political scenery to spell what he knows. Any respectable journalist would do, if he is so inclined to reveal the truth as he knows it.
The USA lost to MAGA not because they are a majority, but because they united around Trump and did the responsible thing that you can expect from any citizen, they did vote. It was a complete political failure to not be able to unite the people against a ~80yo man known for being a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, a con man, and a war hawk, to keep the list short.
It won't take four years to change USA's political system, but the sooner they start the better. The world is certainly not holding its breadth.
He does not need a political scenery to spell what he knows. Any respectable journalist would do
Wake up. They are all gone, or write for papers that use words too big for MAGA. Live public testimony can't get filtered or modified by the propapandists.
That's not the point at all. There are still respected journalists all over the world, but that's secondary. What I said is, if the intention of the Clintons is to tell what they know, they can make it public literally any time. They have more than enough resources to do it. Whatever else you are interpreting from my previous post, wasn't my purpose. I know very well most MAGA people are already out of reason's reach concerning Trump.
Calling the republicans bluff on this one is a strong move. In a sane world with consequences it would almost guarantee his safety. Since this world has no consequences, republicans will probably just subpoena him for a behind-closed-door court and only release things that implicate him or other Democrats.
Bill Clinton is very, very good at not perjuring himself while not admitting to things he doesn't want to. He "did not have sexual relations with that woman" because he made them define "sexual relations" and the definition they supplied did not include receiving oral. The definition of "is" mattered because whether it just meant currently or included at any time in the past (aka does "is" also include "was") would change what answer he would have to give not to perjure himself.
He's all up for this testimony because this is exactly his wheelhouse, he thinks that they can embarrass him but that they can't pin him for pedophilia, and he wants it to be very public because he's got enough dirt on enough major conservatives that they won't want it to be done publicly and that might get him out of even having to be embarrassed.
another 1/3 will believe what they see online as long as it is repeated confidently and by enough people. A couple studies show this pretty well. The best way to change that 1/3 of peoples opinions who are not die hards is to show that you're strong by being unmovable and by reading the same opinion over and over and over again. It rewires the brain.
Which is good because the left has a very strong presence on social media and they actively contest this government by challenge it in the space that the government puts all it's eggs in. Because if your enemy is putting all this effort into an area, it would be dumb to let them set up in that area. You'd have to be dumb as shit to just concede that area because it's "too hard to deal with"
The perjury charge was a stretch due to a perjury trap set up be the Republicans, which is why 10 Republicans in the Senate rejected it along with the Dems.
However, the blowjob was the bigger issue. It's unethical for a retail manager to get a blowjob from a floor associate because consent is more complicatedwhen there's a power imbalance. I don't understand how people can defend the President of the United States getting oral sex from an intern.
Not really, it's just it turned out that while we're focusing on him getting a blowjob from a consenting adult almost 30 years ago, we don't focus on politician that are currently in power, and which were and are doing heinous shit to literal children. Priorities, you know.
Trump was impeached twice in his first term and if the Democrats gain a majority this year I'm sure he'll be impeached again. Turns if you let one party get a stranglehold on all 3 branches the whole checks and balances thing kind of falls apart.
Maybe if Clinton had been held accountable back then it would be easier to hold the president accountable now. Precedent and all that.
Yeah, because current administration fucking loves precedents and upholding a law. They literally gave the president absolute immunity, the fuck a precedent about a democrat from 30 years ago will do
Give a significant amount of people a reminder that the president is accountable to the law, thereby changing the culture that Trump was elected into.
No president has ever been thrown out of office. No president has ever been jailed. If you think it wouldn't be at least a little bit easier for a country that had done that to do it again, you're dumb.
Are you fucking insane? You watch how the current clique shits on the constitutions, invents rules out of nothing, governs by bullying, speedruns autocracy with basically an approval from most of the country, and you think something will change if a president was thrown out of the office 30 years ago? You think all that inert mass, who does nothing when autocrat's personal army executes people on the street, will react somehow different if only we'd jail an already unpopular president three decades ago? What a braindead take, it's unreal.
if only we'd jail an already unpopular president three decades ago
Clinton was incredibly popular. So popular that people still defend him today. You're clearly too young to remember that era and are pulling this nonsense directly out of your ass.
What is there to lie about really. When a 79 year old man is asked a question and he responds, "I don't know or don't remember" there is little reason it shouldn't be believed. There is a reason that air traffic controllers are forced into retirement at ~56, because studies found people's mental acquity starts declining rapidly and they can't be found reliable for important roles. This guy hasn't held office in 25 years now, it would be hard to find anything you can guarantee he remembers accurately during his time in office without having to review documentation and fill in gaps and let his brain believe it remembers.
It's the whole thing about a person will run a red light, remember it being green, witness says it was green, video feed shows it was clearly red. And that testimony happens within minutes to months. Witness testimony isn't worth much, let alone years later.
Kind of like when Trump did a testimony back in 2019, like all of his responses were "I don't recall"
It's a matter of getting everything out in the open. You know the r's wouldn't talk about Clinton revealing anything about trump, or anyone they're covering for, if it was behind closed doors.
They could, but that's not the point. He's up for doing the testimony because he believes they will embarrass him but can't pin pedophilia on him, but only if it's public because he believes he can lay far worse on GOP figures and that both sides know that, and they'll back off as a consequence and so he won't even have to be embarrassed.
What makes you say that? I'm 100% in agreement that he's probably a sexual deviant, not meant as a bad thing but rather than just being a missionary only puritan, but I never got the impression he was a pedophile.
Yeah there’s a difference between being a horny and maybe kinky bastard and being somebody who wants to do sexual stuff with kids.
Bill often struck me as the former but not the latter
I suspect in the fullness of time we'll find out some if not many of the people implicated were less interested in "kids" than in "young women" and weren't exactly asking to check IDs if she could plausibly be over age if you squint real hard. I'd guess Bill fits into this latter group if I had to bet.
This is not a good look for the Clintons. If they come out and reveal all the Epstein & associates crimes, then it raises the question of why they stayed quiet for 15-20 years and let this shit happen unchecked. I predict in any public hearing, they will only claim no knowledge and their own innocence to protect their own ass.
then it raises the question of why they stayed quiet for 15-20 years and let this shit happen unchecked.
It really doesn't. Same reason we don't just nuke our enemies - Mutually Assured Destruction. It's why he's demanding this be as public as possible - he's playing chicken with them.
What question? Why an ex president didn't come out saying there's a secret cabal of paedophiles running the world out of the blue? He would've been sent to a mental institution and then killed in a week
Ex president, ex senator and ex secretary of state. They were in positions of power and have the ears of Obama and Biden. They didn't need to announce it publicly, all they needed to do was inform the justice department when it was under the control of the Democrats and let that department investigate and prosecute Epstein and associates. The fact that the Biden administration sat on their ass over all these information is infuriating.
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SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 146 pts · 199d
"yes, Trump did suck my dick. Only once, and it wasn't great, but it did happen. I am ashamed but am willing to state the actual facts above all."
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 98 pts · 199d
"He had my penis in his mouth but did not inhale."
Delphia@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 199d
I try to remember that "unless we know everything we dont know everything"
I AM NOT DEFENDING BILL BUT as much as I believe Puff Daddy got away with a bunch of shit he definitely did that was illegal so much of what came out was just raging narcissism, hedonism, drug use and homosexuality. Most of their case was based on morality. They might have enough on Bill to "Ruin" him publicly but he draws a line at the pedophile tag. He might have loved doing coke and fucking ladyboys, he had a thing for African bisexual threeways who knows.
Id plead guilty and go to jail over a lot of things before I'd wear a pedophile conviction in the court of public opinion.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 26 pts · 199d
Alloi@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 199d
part of me wants to see it, but the other part of me doesnt want to see trump looking up at the camera all cock drunk with a huge presidential sized dick in his throat. fuckin blowin snot bubbles, all cross eyed and shit. orange makeup just congealed with cum and sweat, dripping down his chins. wearing a fucking jester hat or something.
shutters yick.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 199d
IronBird@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 199d
there's no way trump gives such an enthusiastic blowjob
Alloi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 198d
“People want to feel important.”
“You have to appeal to people’s fantasies.”
“I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can get very excited by those who do"
“People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest.”
“You have to give people something they want.”
“I want the other side to feel good about the deal.”
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 198d
20 bucks is 20 bucks.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 199d
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Sounds like you've been thinking a lot..
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 199d
My brain went on strike after I started reading this comment.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 198d
The dick isn't big, but Trump's tiny hands make it look like that
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
Legends say it's shaped like a saxophone.
Oak_Kitten@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 199d
What a dilemma. I want to upvote this comment but it’s at 69 upvotes right now and I don’t have the heart to ruin it.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 199d
You're good now.
Oak_Kitten@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 198d
Thanks!
ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 131 pts · 199d
Nothing to see here, just Bill making sure he's either going to swim by himself or sink with the lot of 'em. My current prediction is: absolutely nothing will continue to happen.
Nomecks@lemmy.ca · 70 pts · 199d
"I did have sexual relations with Donald Trump in the oval office"
IronBird@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 199d
"i did not have sexual relations with donald, but he did give me head a couple times"
kingofras@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 199d
Sorry, I don’t understand who benefits from writing
Even if we think this may possibly be true or have been true, what virtue is there in us publicly signalling this kind of defeatism?
The reality is that a lot has happened already. The EFTA is a solid piece of legislation. They were forced to push it through unanimously. We have over 3,000,000 documents to go through. We maybe have gone over not even 50% of them and consorting pedophiles and associates in high politics and diplomatic circles have resigned and or are being investigated. This was unthinkable just 2 months ago.
He tried to capture Greenland, kidnapped a head of state, killed two citizens and this scandal is not going away.
And they have admitted they are withholding (even in the closed room session with congress) 3,000,000 documents.
This isn’t over and this will cause a very serious problem for a long time to come.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 198d
Nothing is going to happen. Like nothing has happened. It just facts bro
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 199d
The Lewinsky hearings were public, why not this one?
Delphia@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 199d
I mean, I can at least respect going into a negotiation holding a hand grenade tactic. I dont care how guilty I am if my co-conspirators try to make me a patsy I'd do the same thing.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
It feels like an easy choice when everyone is calling you a pedo. I feel like most people could be a 100x worse than Bill and would still pull the same method if it might get the public to, bare minimum, think you aren't a pedo.
Delphia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
But its also an easy choice especially if you arent.
I've seen a fair bit of "Denying you're a pedo... that sounds like what a pedo would do!"
danc4498@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
Exactly. If he has something like I say, say it.
artyom@piefed.social · 94 pts · 199d
This guy got impeached for getting a BJ from his secretary. Can you believe how far we've come? Er...how far we've...fallen?
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 199d
He got impeached for lying about it. For lying. Impeached for lying. Ya know the thing Trump does literally every time he speaks?
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 198d
Lying under oath. He got impeached for perjury.
M137@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 197d
Like that's something Trump has never done...
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 197d
He's been impeached twice. Maybe if we'd successfully impeached Clinton it would be easier to impeach him now.
njm1314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 198d
Intern
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 198d
Who
njm1314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
What?
artyom@piefed.social · 0 pts · 198d
cares?
Nythos@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 198d
Facts matter.
artyom@piefed.social · 0 pts · 198d
Depends entirely on what facts we're talking about and in what context.
paultimate14@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 198d
I mean, any president of high-ranking government official, just like any private-sector CEO or manager, using their position of power to coerce an intern to doing sexual acts, is pretty serious. Not to mention with politicians in particular that such behavior becomes a national security risk.
I know that Republicans did a lot of horrible propaganda to turn it into a political issue, but what Bill Clinton did was absolutely wrong and legitimate grounds for being removed from office.
artyom@piefed.social · 6 pts · 198d
Definitely terrible, but on a scale of terrible things that Presidents are capable of? International invasions? War? Genocide? Deconstruction of global economies? You have to absolutely consider the enormous implications of replacing them.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 199d
Our world is so weird. Why is this a set of tweets posted on a platform that is capable of generating CSAM?
msage@programming.dev · 1 pts · 197d
sOcIaL gRaPh bro, everybody is there bro, it's not a nazi platform because AOC and Bernie are there bro, mastodon is too complicated bro...
I hate those excuses, it's a nazi pedo platform, and anyone still there is part of the problem.
dipcart@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 198d
Not to get too tinfoil hatty, but I imagine this is a bluff. He can say let's do this in public because he's not in power. Trump/republicans can't really agree because then Bill will expose Trump. Bill gets to say I have nothing to hide and Trump can't make Bill actually testify publicly because then they would both be exposed. At any time, Bill could go to any journalist and explain everything. Its honestly pretty smart if you know that the republicans will never sell trump out, which is a pretty safe bet.
untorquer@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 198d
He just wants to clear up the trump blow job allegations. If only he could explain it's not sex because after Donny did the work he took over to finish himself off.
EaterOfLentils@programming.dev · 8 pts · 197d
untorquer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
Sonic is the seed and gushing fountain of wisdom
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
Tails has two tails. Does that mean he's got two butt holes?
And what about Nine-Tails......? Asking for several friends.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
Believe it or not, 81.
Edit: comes out like spaghetti.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
Thanks I hate it. And I'm horny.
untorquer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
Team sports are a great way to bond
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 198d
i doubt he can stay aroused long eough because of his age and cocaine abuse.
untorquer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 198d
I don't know but i assumed the allegations referred to 20+yr ago
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 198d
I agree, I thought the same thing. But it's still a good thing that he's doing it. Anything that publicly pressures and shames the Orange Pedophile Grifter is good.
Absinthe3858@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
Even if that is the case, at least it still puts pressure on the Obese Orange Turd.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 197d
Mutually assured destruction
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 199d
First of all, it's not only the American people. Several peoples deserve answers, I'd say many, considering the influence of countries like the USA and the UK, and known victims from over the world.
Second, fuck Bubba. He does not need a political scenery to spell what he knows. Any respectable journalist would do, if he is so inclined to reveal the truth as he knows it.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 198d
And you trust with the government to decide what happens behind this closed doors?
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 198d
Of course not, but it's not an isolated discourse. There are already tons of evidence and testimonies out there.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 198d
But MAGA is not reading any of it.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 198d
The USA lost to MAGA not because they are a majority, but because they united around Trump and did the responsible thing that you can expect from any citizen, they did vote. It was a complete political failure to not be able to unite the people against a ~80yo man known for being a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer, a con man, and a war hawk, to keep the list short.
It won't take four years to change USA's political system, but the sooner they start the better. The world is certainly not holding its breadth.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 198d
Wake up. They are all gone, or write for papers that use words too big for MAGA. Live public testimony can't get filtered or modified by the propapandists.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 198d
That's not the point at all. There are still respected journalists all over the world, but that's secondary. What I said is, if the intention of the Clintons is to tell what they know, they can make it public literally any time. They have more than enough resources to do it. Whatever else you are interpreting from my previous post, wasn't my purpose. I know very well most MAGA people are already out of reason's reach concerning Trump.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 198d
Assuming MAGA watches it live, which they won't. They'll see it edited through fox or wherever and only hear the lies they already believe.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 197d
You know any respectable journalists?
7101334@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
Ken Klippenstein.
Vishal Singh.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 33 pts · 199d
comey wants a closed door so they can manipulate what is sad to FOX.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 199d
Comer
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
Coomer.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
Comst
Zozano@aussie.zone · 30 pts · 199d
Dude, just use the platform you're already reaching billions of people with.
Just upload your own video.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 199d
Twitter isn't under oath and entered into the congressional record
mrdown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
So he goes unchallanged and make easier to slide excuses?
Buelldozer@lemmy.today · -5 pts · 199d
It's theater, he's not serious.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 198d
I would like to hear a pubic account, on live TV, of Donnie's blowie skills. then we can compare with Putin's opinion.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 197d
I want this too. Just leave out the details please.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 197d
oh come on, the entire country was jerking off to the Monica Blewinsky testimony.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 199d
Looks like Bill gave his nuts a little tug. Lets go Bubba!
Triumph@fedia.io · 15 pts · 199d
What's stopping him from doing an interview with Anderson Cooper?
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 199d
Nothing. But being under oath makes it far more powerful.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 199d
No one ever lied under oath, especially on The Hill.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
And you think the regime would pass up an opportunity to prosecute the shit out of him on an entirely legal basis and process?
Maeve@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 199d
🥖🎪
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 198d
Yeah, it's not like this same guy was impeached for it or anything
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
He cares less about telling the truth and more about playing political hardball. He’s hoping they drop it entirely.
Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 199d
Calling the republicans bluff on this one is a strong move. In a sane world with consequences it would almost guarantee his safety. Since this world has no consequences, republicans will probably just subpoena him for a behind-closed-door court and only release things that implicate him or other Democrats.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 199d
Bill Clinton's gonna die. I guarantee it.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 199d
Within the next uhhhh 80 years at most
udon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Same thought. Probably suicide in a prison cell
Maeve@kbin.earth · 11 pts · 199d
It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 197d
...and it did.
Bill Clinton is very, very good at not perjuring himself while not admitting to things he doesn't want to. He "did not have sexual relations with that woman" because he made them define "sexual relations" and the definition they supplied did not include receiving oral. The definition of "is" mattered because whether it just meant currently or included at any time in the past (aka does "is" also include "was") would change what answer he would have to give not to perjure himself.
He's all up for this testimony because this is exactly his wheelhouse, he thinks that they can embarrass him but that they can't pin him for pedophilia, and he wants it to be very public because he's got enough dirt on enough major conservatives that they won't want it to be done publicly and that might get him out of even having to be embarrassed.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
I'll never forget that testimony from slick Willie.
m3t00@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 198d
declare, 'i won in 2000. rigged'.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 199d
They really believe that the public will believes their excuses
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 199d
About 1/3 will believe whatever they're told as long as that person shows they're on the "right" team first.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
another 1/3 will believe what they see online as long as it is repeated confidently and by enough people. A couple studies show this pretty well. The best way to change that 1/3 of peoples opinions who are not die hards is to show that you're strong by being unmovable and by reading the same opinion over and over and over again. It rewires the brain.
Which is good because the left has a very strong presence on social media and they actively contest this government by challenge it in the space that the government puts all it's eggs in. Because if your enemy is putting all this effort into an area, it would be dumb to let them set up in that area. You'd have to be dumb as shit to just concede that area because it's "too hard to deal with"
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 198d
People still defend him lying under oath because "just a blowjob"
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 198d
The perjury charge was a stretch due to a perjury trap set up be the Republicans, which is why 10 Republicans in the Senate rejected it along with the Dems.
However, the blowjob was the bigger issue. It's unethical for a retail manager to get a blowjob from a floor associate because consent is more complicatedwhen there's a power imbalance. I don't understand how people can defend the President of the United States getting oral sex from an intern.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 198d
Not really, it's just it turned out that while we're focusing on him getting a blowjob from a consenting adult almost 30 years ago, we don't focus on politician that are currently in power, and which were and are doing heinous shit to literal children. Priorities, you know.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 198d
Trump was impeached twice in his first term and if the Democrats gain a majority this year I'm sure he'll be impeached again. Turns if you let one party get a stranglehold on all 3 branches the whole checks and balances thing kind of falls apart.
Maybe if Clinton had been held accountable back then it would be easier to hold the president accountable now. Precedent and all that.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
Yeah, because current administration fucking loves precedents and upholding a law. They literally gave the president absolute immunity, the fuck a precedent about a democrat from 30 years ago will do
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 197d
Give a significant amount of people a reminder that the president is accountable to the law, thereby changing the culture that Trump was elected into.
No president has ever been thrown out of office. No president has ever been jailed. If you think it wouldn't be at least a little bit easier for a country that had done that to do it again, you're dumb.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 197d
Are you fucking insane? You watch how the current clique shits on the constitutions, invents rules out of nothing, governs by bullying, speedruns autocracy with basically an approval from most of the country, and you think something will change if a president was thrown out of the office 30 years ago? You think all that inert mass, who does nothing when autocrat's personal army executes people on the street, will react somehow different if only we'd jail an already unpopular president three decades ago? What a braindead take, it's unreal.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 197d
Clinton was incredibly popular. So popular that people still defend him today. You're clearly too young to remember that era and are pulling this nonsense directly out of your ass.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
How about both at the same time?
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d
"Public" can't focus on both at the same time. There is rarely enough attention to focus on one issue, asking for two is just asking for none.
CopLoverBillionairefan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 197d
Avicenna@programming.dev · 7 pts · 198d
lol if republicans are not acting on the opportunity for shitting on a previous dem president, then the actual shit on them is piles and piles higher
Redkid1324@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
I'm so excited to hear lies in front of Congress with no repercussions
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 198d
You're in luck then, that is happening all the time already!
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 198d
What is there to lie about really. When a 79 year old man is asked a question and he responds, "I don't know or don't remember" there is little reason it shouldn't be believed. There is a reason that air traffic controllers are forced into retirement at ~56, because studies found people's mental acquity starts declining rapidly and they can't be found reliable for important roles. This guy hasn't held office in 25 years now, it would be hard to find anything you can guarantee he remembers accurately during his time in office without having to review documentation and fill in gaps and let his brain believe it remembers.
It's the whole thing about a person will run a red light, remember it being green, witness says it was green, video feed shows it was clearly red. And that testimony happens within minutes to months. Witness testimony isn't worth much, let alone years later.
Kind of like when Trump did a testimony back in 2019, like all of his responses were "I don't recall"
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 197d
There shouldn't be a hearing but a trial.
And the rapist should be tried, not testifying.
But we all know that won't happen.
kutt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
"I think the evidence is clear"
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
Can the Clintons not simply make a public statement on YouTube / Twitter?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 198d
It's a matter of getting everything out in the open. You know the r's wouldn't talk about Clinton revealing anything about trump, or anyone they're covering for, if it was behind closed doors.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 198d
youtube might take a down for "child endagerment, or whatever tos they are using.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 197d
They could, but that's not the point. He's up for doing the testimony because he believes they will embarrass him but can't pin pedophilia on him, but only if it's public because he believes he can lay far worse on GOP figures and that both sides know that, and they'll back off as a consequence and so he won't even have to be embarrassed.
FrowingFostek@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 199d
Nothing ever happens
PearOfJudes@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 198d
I respect it but if Bill Clinton isnt a pedophile nobody is.
Maybe he'll just say "I'm a pedophile and so are these people." Which would be the coolest thing a pedophile can do.
Either way it's a weird move.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 198d
If Bill Clinton isn't a pedophile then the current sitting president still is and has been, publicly, for decades. Who's upvoting this bullshit?
Knightfox@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
What makes you say that? I'm 100% in agreement that he's probably a sexual deviant, not meant as a bad thing but rather than just being a missionary only puritan, but I never got the impression he was a pedophile.
phx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 198d
Yeah there's a difference between being a horny and maybe kinky bastard and being somebody who wants to do sexual stuff with kids.
Bill often struck me as the former but not the latter
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 197d
I suspect in the fullness of time we'll find out some if not many of the people implicated were less interested in "kids" than in "young women" and weren't exactly asking to check IDs if she could plausibly be over age if you squint real hard. I'd guess Bill fits into this latter group if I had to bet.
MortUS@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
"You are the company you keep. " - Some Fucking Guy
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
previous commenter is probably either a bot or has shit for brains and is whatabouting.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
Second coolest thing he could do live on camera if he's a pedophile. Number one is this
cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 197d
Or this.
mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 199d
This is not a good look for the Clintons. If they come out and reveal all the Epstein & associates crimes, then it raises the question of why they stayed quiet for 15-20 years and let this shit happen unchecked. I predict in any public hearing, they will only claim no knowledge and their own innocence to protect their own ass.
udon@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 199d
15-20 year of silence and then speaking out is better than 15-20 years of silence and then remaining silent
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 199d
Better late than never!
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 199d
100
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 197d
It really doesn't. Same reason we don't just nuke our enemies - Mutually Assured Destruction. It's why he's demanding this be as public as possible - he's playing chicken with them.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 199d
What question? Why an ex president didn't come out saying there's a secret cabal of paedophiles running the world out of the blue? He would've been sent to a mental institution and then killed in a week
mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
Ex president, ex senator and ex secretary of state. They were in positions of power and have the ears of Obama and Biden. They didn't need to announce it publicly, all they needed to do was inform the justice department when it was under the control of the Democrats and let that department investigate and prosecute Epstein and associates. The fact that the Biden administration sat on their ass over all these information is infuriating.