Omg wtf, Konami used to be great back in the day. What a way to burn up all good will with your fans. I refuse to buy any of their new games after they burned the bridges back when they claimed to be getting out of gaming for good.
You can thank Hideki Hayakawa, who turned thier Digital Entertainment (home videogames) division into more casino type things, completed around when Hideo left:
"Art isn't about artistic expression. Billions of people make paintings and most of them go unseen. Museums, on the other hand... They don't make paintings, they make experiences. For a nominal entry fee, consumers have access to an evolving and ever-changing catalog of content.
This is the future we envision here at Remedy. High quality games that build upon themselves, creating an experience that grows with the player. For that reason, we're announcing that the Alan Wake series will no longer be individual games, but instead a live-service experience with episodic content."
Not... Really. Alan Wake 2 under-performed and reportedly broke even 2 years after release. FBC Firebreak was a huge failure. It's not surprising to me that they're gonna pursue money harder. I hope Control 2 is good, at least.
Epic must've given them a really good publishing deal to make it an exclusive though. If it were also on Steam it definitely would've moved more copies but I doubt they would end up with more money than what Epic paid.
From what I understand Epic gave them a blank check for the development of the game, which is great when it comes to developing that game for the creatives involved.
But they did expect some sales revenue after release so they could develop other games and because Epic aren't a very good publisher (not just in the forced EGS exclusivity, but the lack of marketing and physical console editions) their business plans likely got very shaky.
IMO Alan Wake 2 could have performed much better if it wasn't an Epic exclusive, but from what I heard, because of that deal, Remedy got their development cost back before the game officially broke even.
Don't know what to think of Firebreak, because it's a genre i don't like (coop) and that doesn't go well with Remedys biggest strength, the storytelling. Until recently i didn't even know the game existed.
Firebreak was fun and really solid, definitely lacking a lot of content though. I think Remedy’s scale and (I believe) It being handled by a sister studio they setup definitely provided a hurdle.
Once i saw everything there is to see, there’s not a lot keeping me coming back except when i get an itch for the gameplay loop again. I got maybe 100 hours out of it playing with friends. and even then, thats just me.
Oh, I won't worry about that, even if things go bad, it's an already established universe with lots of fans, perfect for their next live service game setting.
Control 2 should hopefully be fine as the CEO is new and it is scheduled for the first half of the year (They told investors 2026H1 and no one would lie to investors /s). Not so sure about anything else.
Just don't overextend, Remedy. Stay in your niche you dumbasses. Stay unique. No one cares about Firebreak exactly because it is just some lame copycat bullshit.
I didn't know Firebreak existed (or forgot it). Doesn't look like anything that makes me want to buy and play. I am not against the idea of the game, its just not exiting (unless you have friends or family who are exited for this). Looks like a forced multiplayer live service game on a developer who are known for interesting single player games... where did we saw that before? (Anthem, Suicide Squad, Marvel's Avengers, Fallout 76)
Yeah, I was of the same mind right from the start and people just looked at me funny when I mentioned it. All I could do was just watch in horror from the sidelines. In Finland.
Well hopefully at least we’ll get one more good game out of them with Control 2. Maybe also the Max Payne remake. Hopefully they’re too far along for Mr. Shareholder Speak to fuck it up. But I guess we’ll see.
Remedy's cooked, though I like their games enough that I'll gladly pay up to 25€ for a single-player experience (after it's patched for a year) if there's no need for an online connection and no added live service "value", and it doesn't come with denuvo or kernel-level anticheats.
A 50/50 soft pity at 100 pulls, with hard pity at 200. Pull your favorite Control character on the limited banner! Note the limited banner character won't transfer to standard once the banner ends. Pity also will not carry over.
Remedy's next project seems like to be more of the same old same old single player action games, albeit a couple of Max Payne remakes. Not unfuckup:able, with microtransactions, but still safer than some multiplayer hero shooter or smth.
Until they shelve the single-player games indefinitely, and use the assets to shit out a microtransaction riddled hero-shooter set in the Remedy-verse.
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grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works · 224 pts · 220d
Into the ground, you say?
jasoman@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 220d
With AI and microtransactions you say!
justastranger@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 220d
Microtransactions are for pussies, macrotransactions are where it's at
mohab@piefed.social · 18 pts · 220d
Remember when Konami was charging money for save slots? 😂 I can't with this industry…
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 220d
What the fuck, when was that?
mohab@piefed.social · 9 pts · 220d
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/02/22/metal-gear-survive-makes-you-pay-10-for-a-new-save-if-you-dont-want-to-delete-your-existing-character
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 220d
Omg wtf, Konami used to be great back in the day. What a way to burn up all good will with your fans. I refuse to buy any of their new games after they burned the bridges back when they claimed to be getting out of gaming for good.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 219d
You can thank Hideki Hayakawa, who turned thier Digital Entertainment (home videogames) division into more casino type things, completed around when Hideo left:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL-BmDNuS7w
And now thier "Digital Entertainment" division is way more profitable: https://www.pcgamer.com/konami-just-had-its-best-ever-year-thanks-to-games-youve-never-heard-of/
athatet@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 220d
Micro transaction is such a stupid pr spin of a term that just means regular transaction and I hate how well it’s caught on.
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 219d
I've always preferred the term IAP (in-app purchase), especially since the transactions are anything but micro
Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
Are their offices rent controlled?
TheBat@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 220d
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 111 pts · 220d
Nnooooo
They were already building lasting value.
By just making good artistically meaningful games.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today · 42 pts · 220d
"Art is something that we think is a little outdated in the modern business landscape" - this guy probably.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 220d
"Art isn't about artistic expression. Billions of people make paintings and most of them go unseen. Museums, on the other hand... They don't make paintings, they make experiences. For a nominal entry fee, consumers have access to an evolving and ever-changing catalog of content.
This is the future we envision here at Remedy. High quality games that build upon themselves, creating an experience that grows with the player. For that reason, we're announcing that the Alan Wake series will no longer be individual games, but instead a live-service experience with episodic content."
popcar2@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 220d
Not... Really. Alan Wake 2 under-performed and reportedly broke even 2 years after release. FBC Firebreak was a huge failure. It's not surprising to me that they're gonna pursue money harder. I hope Control 2 is good, at least.
Comrade_Spood@quokk.au · 17 pts · 220d
I imagine locking Alan Wake 2 to the EGS on pc probably did not help their sales there. FBC I feel like had no excuse though
popcar2@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 220d
Epic must've given them a really good publishing deal to make it an exclusive though. If it were also on Steam it definitely would've moved more copies but I doubt they would end up with more money than what Epic paid.
doublah@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 219d
From what I understand Epic gave them a blank check for the development of the game, which is great when it comes to developing that game for the creatives involved.
But they did expect some sales revenue after release so they could develop other games and because Epic aren't a very good publisher (not just in the forced EGS exclusivity, but the lack of marketing and physical console editions) their business plans likely got very shaky.
AgentRocket@feddit.org · 9 pts · 219d
IMO Alan Wake 2 could have performed much better if it wasn't an Epic exclusive, but from what I heard, because of that deal, Remedy got their development cost back before the game officially broke even.
Don't know what to think of Firebreak, because it's a genre i don't like (coop) and that doesn't go well with Remedys biggest strength, the storytelling. Until recently i didn't even know the game existed.
MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
Firebreak was fun and really solid, definitely lacking a lot of content though. I think Remedy’s scale and (I believe) It being handled by a sister studio they setup definitely provided a hurdle.
Once i saw everything there is to see, there’s not a lot keeping me coming back except when i get an itch for the gameplay loop again. I got maybe 100 hours out of it playing with friends. and even then, thats just me.
5oap10116@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 220d
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world · 98 pts · 220d
"build lasting value".
Oh no, he's already using shareholder lingo
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 220d
Welp any hopes I had for more of the control universe after resonant just got trashed
aksdb@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 219d
If you hold Control that high, then no worries: everything will be under Control.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
😎👉👉
slimerancher@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d
Oh, I won't worry about that, even if things go bad, it's an already established universe with lots of fans, perfect for their next live service game setting.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
You’ll get control legends with loot boxes and micro transactions.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 219d
Every artifact is a lootbox instead
itkovian@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 220d
RIP Remedy.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 220d
RIP Remedy ðŸ˜
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 45 pts · 220d
And another studio dead and gone.
catalyst@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 220d
Well shit. I hope the supposedly in development Control 2 manages to come out somewhat unscathed before things go fully downhill.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 220d
There is already a trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhQm-ExRz60
omarfw@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 220d
RIP remedy
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 220d
Yup. It's dead.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 25 pts · 219d
i hate capitalism. so very, very much.
fyrilsol@kbin.melroy.org · 23 pts · 220d
CreamyJalapenoSauce@piefed.social · 22 pts · 219d
All my dreams for Control 2 just went up in smoke
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 219d
Control 2 should hopefully be fine as the CEO is new and it is scheduled for the first half of the year (They told investors 2026H1 and no one would lie to investors /s). Not so sure about anything else.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
Barely enough time left to add some microtransactions
Tronn4@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 219d
Control 2026. Control 2027. Control 2028
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 219d
Nah. It'll be an online hero shooter.
Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 219d
Smells cooked to me.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 219d
Remedy is cooked.
I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 219d
Just don't overextend, Remedy. Stay in your niche you dumbasses. Stay unique. No one cares about Firebreak exactly because it is just some lame copycat bullshit.
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 219d
I didn't know Firebreak existed (or forgot it). Doesn't look like anything that makes me want to buy and play. I am not against the idea of the game, its just not exiting (unless you have friends or family who are exited for this). Looks like a forced multiplayer live service game on a developer who are known for interesting single player games... where did we saw that before? (Anthem, Suicide Squad, Marvel's Avengers, Fallout 76)
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 16 pts · 219d
Well that's an ominous headline if ever I saw one.
devolution@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 220d
Poor Sam Lake.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 220d
Well they're done.
mohab@piefed.social · 15 pts · 220d
Of course, they announce a DMC-like Control sequel and go apeshit right after… I swear this genre is cursed.
Pazintach@piefed.social · 14 pts · 219d
There goes another good studio. RIP.
73ms@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 220d
Hopefully it won't be like Nokia and Stephen Elop.
slimerancher@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d
At the time I was sure Elop is some kind of undercover agent from Microsoft.
rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social · 5 pts · 220d
Yeah, I was of the same mind right from the start and people just looked at me funny when I mentioned it. All I could do was just watch in horror from the sidelines. In Finland.
noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org · 13 pts · 219d
RIP, thanks for the fun.
Llllllllllll@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 220d
Shit floats upward...
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 219d
This is the TRUE American Nightmare. Rest in peace, Mr. Wake.
SystemL@literature.cafe · 9 pts · 220d
Just make sam lake the ceo bruh
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 219d
Well hopefully at least we’ll get one more good game out of them with Control 2. Maybe also the Max Payne remake. Hopefully they’re too far along for Mr. Shareholder Speak to fuck it up. But I guess we’ll see.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 219d
'scale Remedy in a way that builds lasting value'
Checks corpo-speak to English dictionary:
Lasting value is cash: Scale plan: First down, drastically, then bisect as many times as possible, then sell off the chunks to the highest bidders.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 219d
Fuck that shit
zecg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d
Remedy's cooked, though I like their games enough that I'll gladly pay up to 25€ for a single-player experience (after it's patched for a year) if there's no need for an online connection and no added live service "value", and it doesn't come with denuvo or kernel-level anticheats.
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 220d
Remedy is fucked. Not that I mind, I never liked their newer games. The only game I ever liked from Remedy is Max Payne.
CORRECTION: I kind of did like Control.
fonix232@fedia.io · 12 pts · 219d
TBF Control was pretty awesome. Couldn't care less about Firebreak, which is sad because I expected it to be a much better game...
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 219d
Remedy already has lasting value in our hearts you out of touch dork!
SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 219d
same could have been said about Blizzard
rtxn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 220d
"We are absolutely cooked, chat." - Alan Wake (writer)
artyom@piefed.social · 6 pts · 220d
Fuuuuuuck ðŸ˜
I_Jedi@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 220d
I predict a Control gacha game.
A 50/50 soft pity at 100 pulls, with hard pity at 200. Pull your favorite Control character on the limited banner! Note the limited banner character won't transfer to standard once the banner ends. Pity also will not carry over.
Korkki@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 220d
Remedy's next project seems like to be more of the same old same old single player action games, albeit a couple of Max Payne remakes. Not unfuckup:able, with microtransactions, but still safer than some multiplayer hero shooter or smth.
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 220d
Until they shelve the single-player games indefinitely, and use the assets to shit out a microtransaction riddled hero-shooter set in the Remedy-verse.
Malix@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 220d
so... FBC: Firebreak 2: MTX Boogaloo: Revenge
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 220d
A couple? As in 1 and 2?
Korkki@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 220d
yeah, MP1 and MP2.
biofaust@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
I never understood why Remedy got publicly traded.
itkovian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 220d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 0 pts · 220d
Is this dude the reason Firebreak exists? Cuz if so, that doesn't bode well.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 220d
What's the second word of the title?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 220d
It doesn't say how new. But Firebreak is the cited reason they hired this new guy. So hopefully that means they won't go down that path.