Nothing that complex, I just think Marketing is just sanctioned official bullshit and wish it would go away. Informational advertising I get, but Marketing? Fuck no. That's just the sharp tip of consumerism trying to skewer you.
LabCoatz for those interested but he never said anything about zero sugar that I can recall so when it comes to difficulty I have no idea since I'm not a chemist.
For the mystery "natural flavours," mass spectrometry was used. He got the essential oils and their quantities down: lemon oil, lime oil, tea tree oil, cinnamon oil, nutmeg oil, orange oil, coriander oil, and a natural pine–like flavour called fenchol.
Was still missing coca. Then he realised they were basically tea leaves and the mystery flavour was actually tannins, which are non-volatile, so using mass spectrometry tannins won't show up. He found wine tannins are commercially sold in a water–soluble powder form, and this was the key pretty much.
This mix then had to be heated to blend/mature the essential oils, and then left to sit for 24 hours before being used in the final recipe to exact match the flavour profile.
For the past 2 years I've been using concentrates via 510 carts in Canada, unscented/no flavour additives. Before that I used a dry vape with cheaper pre-ground flower, but short battery life and maintenance got annoying plus dosage control is worse. Smoked before legalisation.
I love the no fuss delivery of concentrates, but found they randomly would cause me to have anxiety or paranoia. Went back to joints and haven't had an issue since.
One cider does not a drunk make but one joint will get me stoned. 3 drinks a week at this point compared to a joint or 3 a day. Was a pretty big shift.
I visited my brother recently and his downstairs fridge was completely full of diet caffeine free soda. I tried a few and they tasted shockingly close to their normal counterparts. I don’t trust it, there has to be a cost I don’t realize I’m paying.
But also, jesus christ at least sometimes drink some water. The whole family just hates water. They even have top notch H2O there, I’m jealous.
If I have a glass of water, I'll drink it when I'm thirsty. If I have flavored water, I'll consume more because it's enjoyable and I stay better hydrated. I tend to use a LOT of ice, so really I'm drinking that water too.
So up until recently I thought the same. I thought “Zero Sugar” used sucralose (Splenda) and diet used aspartame. Compared them at the store and Discovered that both Mountain Dew zero sugar and diet mountain dew are sweetened with the same fake sweetener, aspartame. The two drinks taste different to me. Maybe other brands do use different sweeteners but not Pepsi it seems.
Typically, zero sugar versions include aspartame AND acesulfame K to improve the artificial sweetener flavor, where diet versions only contain aspartame.
I mean it's not far off in some unfortunate circumstances. I remember years ago I've heard of towns in Mexico that lack clean drinking water and people were drinking Coke because of the water it contained. Idk why, but that really stuck with me.
Honestly sometimes you just want something for hydration and has a bit of flavor don't get me wrong I love water but you know sometimes you want something that safety without having to worry about calories or caffeine.
Is there any actual evidence that artificial sweeteners are less healthy than sugar? Sugar in drinks contributes significantly to obesity, which in turn significantly increases the risk for a lot of health problems.
There's evidence that it's less healthy than drinking water, not sure about any studies about the long term effects that would consider also the obesity related issues. If you're obese, manage to use artificial sweeteners to cut down on sugar, lose a bunch of weight doing that, and then drop those too, artificial sweeteners might literally save your life. If you don't have a weight issue, it's probably best not to start consuming them out of the blue.
Doesn't the USA use the word "calories" sometimes for kilocalories in food? So they divide the actual amount of calories by 1000. They also round certain things down, so that when they say "zero calories", the can can actually have "3600 calories"?
Yes, and then they have a whole thing about how under 5 kcal per serving can be rounded to zero because it's negligible.
That's why despite nobody on the planet having ever eaten a single tic tac at a time, the serving size is 1 tic tac. That's only 4 kcal, so in the US they can call it a "calorie-free snack"
4 kCal is a lot, around twice what a normal person needs per day. There is cal (small calorie) and Cal (large calorie), 1 Cal is 1000 cal or 1 kcal, 1 kCal would be 1000 kcal or 1 Mcal.
US FDA nutritional guidelines are based on 2,000 kilocalories a day. Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
I'm not sure any food in the USA uses a single calorie as a measurement of anything, because kilocalories make more sense in terms of units of scale in the human diet.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
According to the FAO, the average minimum daily energy requirement is approximately 8,400 kilojoules (2,000 kcal) per adult and 4,200 kilojoules (1,000 kcal) a child.[3] This data is presented in kilojoules, as most countries today use the SI unit kilojoules as their primary measurement for food energy intake,[4] with the exception of the USA,[5] Canada,[6] and the UK, which use kilocalories or both.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
That's why you either use kcal (or Cal) or kJ, but not Mcal (or kCal, which is easily confused with kcal) or MJ, because most things you eat and drink are between 0 and a few hundred kcal. This way you have one unit and keep it consistent instead of switching between kcal and Mcal all the time or saying awkward stuff like you ate something that only had 0.004 Mcal.
Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
While kJ is required in labeling in Europe most people still use kcal for everything. AFAIK the only country somewhat consistently using kJ is Australia (the one with the kangaroos).
I mean I used to regularly have a Cuba Libre made with Caffeine Free Coke Zero. I'd definitely say it has a use; rum and Coke with lime after a nice dinner is fucking delicious, and the zero caffeine doesn't keep me awake at night.
I haven't seen Caffeine Free Coke Zero in any of my local stores for years so I'll be on the lookout for this new "zero caffeine, zero sugar" version.
106 Comments
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 94 pts · 88d
Just a new can. They’ve been selling caffeine free Coke Zero for 15 years, and caffeine free Diet Coke for even longer.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 88d
Yeah.. I don't drink Coke often but I like caffeine free diet coke / coke zero. I don't want the sugar and I don't need caffeine.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 9 pts · 88d
It's just soda then?
dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 16 pts · 88d
🌏👨🚀🔫👨🚀
StillAlive@piefed.world · 2 pts · 88d
Yeah yeah I know what Coca cola is. I'm asking what's left in it after removing caffeine and sugar.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
A bubbly cola favored beverage.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 87d
Various chemical compounds that make most of the flavour of the drink, sugar free sweetners and that's it
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 88d
It's a cola flavored sugar free soda.
Different artificial sweeteners with slightly different taste profiles.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 88d
We used to get caffeine free Diet Coke or Pepsi in the 80s for elementary school pizza parties.
It made the best burps.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
The new can is really cool though. I definitely would buy this is I saw it in a store. The marketing would work on me.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 88d
Next up - Coca Cola Still: all the same refreshing taste of Coke, but without any carbonation! Life is busy, just be Still.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 36 pts · 88d
Not going to lie, that's a good tagline.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 88d
I know, I'm kinda ashamed of myself.
Dagnet@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
No no, don't be! Unless it's like your kink or smth then uh... Go ahead?
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 88d
Nothing that complex, I just think Marketing is just sanctioned official bullshit and wish it would go away. Informational advertising I get, but Marketing? Fuck no. That's just the sharp tip of consumerism trying to skewer you.
Dagnet@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
Ey, I agree with you. Marketing shouldn't exist
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 88d
i always let the carbonation escape before i drink it, as i don't like it. i like the taste however
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 88d
RC Glow
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
hmm, new: coke null!! no caffeine, no calories, no sweeteners, no carbonation, no added color, neutral ph...
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 88d
Available at faucets everywhere.
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 88d
It has a use. Tasty fizzy drink with basically no calories, and caffeine fucks with my cannabis high. I get Canadian store brands tho.
I'm kinda pissed the Coca Cola recipe that was recently reverse engineered was the sugar version instead of zero.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
I'm guessing zero is a lot harder, but maybe that guy who did it needs a new objective
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 88d
LabCoatz for those interested but he never said anything about zero sugar that I can recall so when it comes to difficulty I have no idea since I'm not a chemist.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 88d
what turned out to be the secret ingredient in the end?
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 88d
For the mystery "natural flavours," mass spectrometry was used. He got the essential oils and their quantities down: lemon oil, lime oil, tea tree oil, cinnamon oil, nutmeg oil, orange oil, coriander oil, and a natural pine–like flavour called fenchol.
Was still missing coca. Then he realised they were basically tea leaves and the mystery flavour was actually tannins, which are non-volatile, so using mass spectrometry tannins won't show up. He found wine tannins are commercially sold in a water–soluble powder form, and this was the key pretty much.
This mix then had to be heated to blend/mature the essential oils, and then left to sit for 24 hours before being used in the final recipe to exact match the flavour profile.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 87d
thats amazing!
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Quantity of sugar is on the label, chemical replacements are not
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
Smoking a joint while drinking coffee this very moment 😅
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 88d
Lucky! The combination gives me anxiety attacks these days. I can have one or the other but not both idk why.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
That's a bummer. Though I an curious, flower or concentrates?
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 87d
For the past 2 years I've been using concentrates via 510 carts in Canada, unscented/no flavour additives. Before that I used a dry vape with cheaper pre-ground flower, but short battery life and maintenance got annoying plus dosage control is worse. Smoked before legalisation.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
I love the no fuss delivery of concentrates, but found they randomly would cause me to have anxiety or paranoia. Went back to joints and haven't had an issue since.
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 87d
It's the same experience no matter how I consume it personally but we're all different. I'm just an anxious person in general.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
I envy you it reminds me of my childhood. I'm currently enjoying a cider taking a break in from the heat doing yardwork.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
Must've been an interesting childhood...
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
Sorry I should have quantified that younger than 30 to me was my childhood lol. I didn't clean up until I had kids.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 87d
Think it's ironic you find cider over a joint cleaning up. To each their own.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 87d
One cider does not a drunk make but one joint will get me stoned. 3 drinks a week at this point compared to a joint or 3 a day. Was a pretty big shift.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 88d
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
alt: illustration of a can labeled "diet double dew". it also says "half the sugar[,] half the caffeine of double dew". "dew the math!"
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
Half of a double? There might be a less verbose term for that.
rain_worl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 66d
that's the joke!
daggermoon@piefed.world · 24 pts · 88d
I drink caffeine free zero because I like the taste but I need to reduce my caffeine and sugar consumption.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 88d
I visited my brother recently and his downstairs fridge was completely full of diet caffeine free soda. I tried a few and they tasted shockingly close to their normal counterparts. I don’t trust it, there has to be a cost I don’t realize I’m paying.
But also, jesus christ at least sometimes drink some water. The whole family just hates water. They even have top notch H2O there, I’m jealous.
Duranie@leminal.space · 7 pts · 88d
Zero sugar sodas are 99% water.
If I have a glass of water, I'll drink it when I'm thirsty. If I have flavored water, I'll consume more because it's enjoyable and I stay better hydrated. I tend to use a LOT of ice, so really I'm drinking that water too.
sober_monk@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 88d
I like it. Tastes like Coke, which I like as an occasional treat, doesn't keep me up at night and doesn't make me gain weight.
luxadazy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 88d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 88d
I mean, there's still the cola taste?
Agent641@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
And dissolved gas
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 88d
Rather not.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 87d
This is the perfect soda. All the flavor, with no drugs.
I don't know what soda as caffeine to begin with.
offspec@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
Almost every cola has caffeine as a given
krisevol@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 87d
I know, but i don't want the caffeine.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 87d
generic_computers@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 87d
Isn't there a difference been "diet" and "zero"? Like doesn't one use aspartame and the other use a different "fake" sweetener?
MacAttak8@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
So up until recently I thought the same. I thought “Zero Sugar” used sucralose (Splenda) and diet used aspartame. Compared them at the store and Discovered that both Mountain Dew zero sugar and diet mountain dew are sweetened with the same fake sweetener, aspartame. The two drinks taste different to me. Maybe other brands do use different sweeteners but not Pepsi it seems.
gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 87d
Typically, zero sugar versions include aspartame AND acesulfame K to improve the artificial sweetener flavor, where diet versions only contain aspartame.
MacAttak8@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
TIL. Thanks!
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
This somehow implies Kryptonite is made of/has caffeine on its composition.
DisasterTransport@startrek.website · 1 pts · 87d
Diet coke retains the "new coke" recipe but with aspartame whereas coke zero is the "classic coke" recipe just with ace k and aspartame
I think, idk what I'm talking about I just like coca cola (the drink, not the company)
DanVctr@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 87d
I think they only put aspartame in Diet Coke but I could be wrong
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 87d
Uses:
Mind your own and let people enjoy their lives (and their sugar-free cola beverages).
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Hahaha yeah no I'm drinking that daily, I don't have a sugar problem, I dont have a cafein problem, I have a soda problem
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 88d
Tbh you probably shouldn't be drinking any of their products on a daily basis...
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Especially dasani
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Yeah alcoholics shouldnt drink alcohol daily either
FishFace@piefed.social · 4 pts · 88d
Water that tastes fuckin well good? Sign me up
Decq@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
So, Water...?
FishFace@piefed.social · 1 pts · 88d
Water tastes give, but cola tastes better, as do a lot of flavoured things!
someguy3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
Flavor town.
sheetzoos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
For some people this would be considered too spicy.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 88d
thirst principles
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 88d
It's not useless. It's marketing, pure capitalist marketing. Always has been. CocaCola is not a beverage company, it's a marketing company.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 88d
Bhaelfur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, but she wouldn't give it to me... Just a Pepsi.
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 88d
https://youtu.be/LoF_a0-7xVQ?t=121
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 88d
Meanwhile people would take extra sugar extra caffeine and the OG coke too
Triumph@fedia.io · 11 pts · 88d
Jolt Cola: All the sugar. Twice the caffeine.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 87d
Coca-cola famously tried to sell bottled tap water in the UK as Dasani, but they abandoned it after they were very quickly exposed and ridiculed.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
Homeopathic cola
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 88d
I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine but I like soda, so I drink this. Mostly water and decaf coffee, though.
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Ohhh that reminds me I need to get some decaf. Nice.
Syndication@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 88d
I mean it's not far off in some unfortunate circumstances. I remember years ago I've heard of towns in Mexico that lack clean drinking water and people were drinking Coke because of the water it contained. Idk why, but that really stuck with me.
Edit: I think it was this article
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 87d
Can is full of water
Eldritch@piefed.world · 2 pts · 88d
Yes, but no. In this fucked up world some zeros are bigger than others.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Coca cola'nt
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 88d
Honestly sometimes you just want something for hydration and has a bit of flavor don't get me wrong I love water but you know sometimes you want something that safety without having to worry about calories or caffeine.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
How did it taste?
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
Like water and brown.
Nounka@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
Zero taste...... Would be fitting
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Ok
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
The "zero sugar" usually means they replace the sugar with something worse (that's often also a laxative).
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org · 2 pts · 87d
Is there any actual evidence that artificial sweeteners are less healthy than sugar? Sugar in drinks contributes significantly to obesity, which in turn significantly increases the risk for a lot of health problems.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 87d
There's evidence that it's less healthy than drinking water, not sure about any studies about the long term effects that would consider also the obesity related issues. If you're obese, manage to use artificial sweeteners to cut down on sugar, lose a bunch of weight doing that, and then drop those too, artificial sweeteners might literally save your life. If you don't have a weight issue, it's probably best not to start consuming them out of the blue.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 87d
It seems like sucralose is not very unhealthy.
However the big name brands like Coke use aspartame which is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
cracks open a can of Coke Zero
Beats sugar though.
offspec@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
I don't think it's very common to use alcohol sugars to sweeten drinks, you might be thinking of candy or gummy bears?
Aeri@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 85d
I see little point to soda with no caffeine
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 87d
there's still salt
Jack@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 88d
Doesn't the USA use the word "calories" sometimes for kilocalories in food? So they divide the actual amount of calories by 1000. They also round certain things down, so that when they say "zero calories", the can can actually have "3600 calories"?
lengau@midwest.social · 8 pts · 88d
Yes, and then they have a whole thing about how under 5 kcal per serving can be rounded to zero because it's negligible.
That's why despite nobody on the planet having ever eaten a single tic tac at a time, the serving size is 1 tic tac. That's only 4 kcal, so in the US they can call it a "calorie-free snack"
tetris11@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 88d
kCal is a normal measurement in the UK too. I think anything being 4 kCal is probably negligible
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 87d
4 kCal is a lot, around twice what a normal person needs per day. There is cal (small calorie) and Cal (large calorie), 1 Cal is 1000 cal or 1 kcal, 1 kCal would be 1000 kcal or 1 Mcal.
happinessattack@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 87d
US FDA nutritional guidelines are based on 2,000 kilocalories a day. Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
I'm not sure any food in the USA uses a single calorie as a measurement of anything, because kilocalories make more sense in terms of units of scale in the human diet.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 87d
That's why you either use kcal (or Cal) or kJ, but not Mcal (or kCal, which is easily confused with kcal) or MJ, because most things you eat and drink are between 0 and a few hundred kcal. This way you have one unit and keep it consistent instead of switching between kcal and Mcal all the time or saying awkward stuff like you ate something that only had 0.004 Mcal.
While kJ is required in labeling in Europe most people still use kcal for everything. AFAIK the only country somewhat consistently using kJ is Australia (the one with the kangaroos).
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 88d
Rounding happens but no, you'll find nothing when that kind of delta and it'll be of zero consequences.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 88d
All Marketing Zero Everything Else Extra Profits
DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 87d
I mean I used to regularly have a Cuba Libre made with Caffeine Free Coke Zero. I'd definitely say it has a use; rum and Coke with lime after a nice dinner is fucking delicious, and the zero caffeine doesn't keep me awake at night.
I haven't seen Caffeine Free Coke Zero in any of my local stores for years so I'll be on the lookout for this new "zero caffeine, zero sugar" version.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 88d
Tastes delicious and isn't 250 cals a bottle you nerd.