Having watched the linked video and its other part ages ago and again more recently, my chief question is always the same. Who begins the process? Given that the captain is just a crew member hired like the rest, who is the one that begins the recruiting process? Without covering that, it almost feels like piracy is caused by random, persuasive ships floating into port. Have I just missed that info every single time?
Sometimes pirate crews started as mutineers. A merchant or navy ship has a captain that severely mistreats his crew. Eventually they get sick of him and maroon him somewhere or throw him overboard. At that point, everyone on that ship has probably already committed a capital offense (especially if it's a navy ship), so they literally have nothing to lose by becoming pirates at that point. If they're ever caught, they're already dead. Initially on the boat are just the folks who happened to be there at the time of the mutiny. But some filtering happens over time. Those who don't actually want to be pirates eventually slink off at one port stop or another. And new recruits are found via quiet conversations in port taverns. A lot of recruiting probably happens through personal contacts, "oh, we're going to port X? Why I have a cousin there that might be interested!"
Also, often pirate ships started off as privateers. A privateer is just like a pirate, except legal. Let's say Britain and France are at war. Britain issues letters of marque to any ship with captain and crew willing to raid French shipping. This is a way for the British crown to target French shipping at a fraction of the cost of having the Royal Navy do it themselves. (It's the Age of Sale equivalent of German U-boats raiding British shipping during WW2.) If such a privateer is caught by the French, they'll still be treated like pirates. But as far as the British are concerned, what they're doing is completely legal. They can go steal a French and ship then sail into any British port and unload their plunder. It's all completely legal and a culturally accepted part of warfare. As long as the captain had their official letter of marque, the harbormaster in any British port would let them participate freely and openly. As far as how these privateers got going? Simple capitalism. Some people with cash to invest would invest in a boat and crew, and attempt to make a profit from the conflict.
And that's all well and good, except what happens when the war ends? Those letters of marque were only good during wartime. And privateers don't get military retirement benefits. There's no pension or these folks. (Not even whatever pitiful equivalent existed for Navy sailors at the time.) Men who were risking their lives sailing the seas, plundering commerce in Britain's name? Well they're now all out of a job. And even if what they did was legal, it still carried a stigma. Job prospects may be quite poor for a former privateer, and it certainly won't be as lucrative. So, quite predictably, after the wars ended, often times the privateers just kept doing what they were good at. So many pirates were simply privateers that had been cut loose by their respective governments.
Usually sea captains of commercial/state ships did the recruiting by usually being extremely abusive and exploitive. All the pirates have to do is get their treasure and let the crew kill their captain and some will want to join.
I used to be a farmer and I made a living fine I had a little stretch of land along the CP line But times were tough and though I tried, the money wasn't there 'Til bankers came and took my land and told me "Fair is fair."
I looked for every kind of job, the answer always "no." "Hire you now?" they'd laugh and say, "We just let forty go." The government, it promised me a measly little sum But I've got too much pride to end up just another bum.
But I thought, who gives a damn if all the jobs are gone. I'm gonna be a pirate on the river Saskatchewan!
So you want to be first mate, do ye? Arrr... well... aye.
But first ye must pass a test. Wear an eye patch over each eye and then walk a tightrope from the poop deck to the crows nest. To prove your leadership skills!
Also sleep in a poorly ventilated room, in a tiny hammock, with 50 other men. Don't worry, you'd probably sleep well because you'd be so exhausted from the crushing physical labour. You'd be eating simple, unflavoured bread / crackers that are so hard that they need to be dunked in water for several minutes so they don't break your teeth. And, speaking of teeth, your new job does come with healthcare, but that's mostly tooth pulling and limb amputations. Anything else and you just need to suck it up. No sick days either, you show up for your shifts, 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week. Sickness is probably pretty common. 50 men sleeping in the same crowded, airless room. No washing, no soap. Toilets are simply a plank with a hole above the ocean. No toilet paper either.
I can handle all that up to the part where there's no toilet paper. I already know I'm gonna be wet and salty and uncomfortable, but ain't no way in hell I'm getting diaper rash on top of that.
Also, if I remember correctly, the crew votes on the captain prior to setting sail and there are mechanisms in place to replace the captain if they aren't performing well enough.
a pirate ship is a lot of work. just cause you are in tropical waters doesnt mean its relaxing. on the contrary, due to the climate its probably hot af when working
Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.
The concertina has historically been a favorite instrument among people who travel often (due to its small and compact size), leading it to be a common instrument among soldiers, sailors, and cowboys. One was even brought aboard Robert Peary's 1891 expedition of the Greenland Arctic. Despite the pop-culture association of the concertina with the Golden Age of Piracy, the concertina was invented approximately 100 years after the heyday of piracy in the North Atlantic.
Despite the pop-culture association of the concertina with the Golden Age of Piracy, the concertina was invented approximately 100 years after the heyday of piracy in the North Atlantic.
Shiver me timbers. Me whole worldview be built on a lie.
112 Comments
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 87 pts · 83d
A Pirate Ship had better benefits than your job.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 83d
Having watched the linked video and its other part ages ago and again more recently, my chief question is always the same. Who begins the process? Given that the captain is just a crew member hired like the rest, who is the one that begins the recruiting process? Without covering that, it almost feels like piracy is caused by random, persuasive ships floating into port. Have I just missed that info every single time?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 83d
Sometimes pirate crews started as mutineers. A merchant or navy ship has a captain that severely mistreats his crew. Eventually they get sick of him and maroon him somewhere or throw him overboard. At that point, everyone on that ship has probably already committed a capital offense (especially if it's a navy ship), so they literally have nothing to lose by becoming pirates at that point. If they're ever caught, they're already dead. Initially on the boat are just the folks who happened to be there at the time of the mutiny. But some filtering happens over time. Those who don't actually want to be pirates eventually slink off at one port stop or another. And new recruits are found via quiet conversations in port taverns. A lot of recruiting probably happens through personal contacts, "oh, we're going to port X? Why I have a cousin there that might be interested!"
Also, often pirate ships started off as privateers. A privateer is just like a pirate, except legal. Let's say Britain and France are at war. Britain issues letters of marque to any ship with captain and crew willing to raid French shipping. This is a way for the British crown to target French shipping at a fraction of the cost of having the Royal Navy do it themselves. (It's the Age of Sale equivalent of German U-boats raiding British shipping during WW2.) If such a privateer is caught by the French, they'll still be treated like pirates. But as far as the British are concerned, what they're doing is completely legal. They can go steal a French and ship then sail into any British port and unload their plunder. It's all completely legal and a culturally accepted part of warfare. As long as the captain had their official letter of marque, the harbormaster in any British port would let them participate freely and openly. As far as how these privateers got going? Simple capitalism. Some people with cash to invest would invest in a boat and crew, and attempt to make a profit from the conflict.
And that's all well and good, except what happens when the war ends? Those letters of marque were only good during wartime. And privateers don't get military retirement benefits. There's no pension or these folks. (Not even whatever pitiful equivalent existed for Navy sailors at the time.) Men who were risking their lives sailing the seas, plundering commerce in Britain's name? Well they're now all out of a job. And even if what they did was legal, it still carried a stigma. Job prospects may be quite poor for a former privateer, and it certainly won't be as lucrative. So, quite predictably, after the wars ended, often times the privateers just kept doing what they were good at. So many pirates were simply privateers that had been cut loose by their respective governments.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 22 pts · 83d
Usually sea captains of commercial/state ships did the recruiting by usually being extremely abusive and exploitive. All the pirates have to do is get their treasure and let the crew kill their captain and some will want to join.
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 83d
I'd be OK with it if it wasn't for all the murder. I'm not really down with that.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 83d
Most of the times they give up as a policy.
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 83d
So just some occasional, light murder? I suppose it would come down to the benefits package, in that case.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 83d
Now yee getting it.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 81d
The phrasing of "Looking for treasure" makes it sound like it's just lying there, possibly buried a kindly philanthropist.
Vashtea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 82d
What if we fire no guns, shed no tears?
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 83d
I answered an ad like this posted by Elcid Barrett back in Nova Scotia. Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's privateers.
I don't know that I'd recommend the career.
honeybadger1417@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 83d
I'm sorry about your legs.
bravesirrbn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 83d
because they're made out of wood?
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 81d
Eh, you can't sing shanties if you've got two legs, and you don't own a boat, and you've got no beard.
honeybadger1417@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
And you can't shout ho?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 82d
God damn them all!
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 81d
Those were my sentiments exactly.
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 82d
Elcid Barrett
AartKwarktaart@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 82d
Misremembering lyrics and making them up is accurate to the medium!
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 81d
God damn the autocorrect, too!
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 82d
How I wish I was in Shorebrook now.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 83d
I used to be a farmer and I made a living fine
I had a little stretch of land along the CP line
But times were tough and though I tried, the money wasn't there
'Til bankers came and took my land and told me "Fair is fair."
I looked for every kind of job, the answer always "no."
"Hire you now?" they'd laugh and say, "We just let forty go."
The government, it promised me a measly little sum
But I've got too much pride to end up just another bum.
But I thought, who gives a damn if all the jobs are gone.
I'm gonna be a pirate on the river Saskatchewan!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
I don't know the tune, but it works to Banned from Argo.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 82d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ptj7nYlyB0
Homo_Erectus@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 83d
Can I bring my pet parrot ?
AbsolutelyNotSpez@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 83d
You're hired!
Homo_Erectus@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 83d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 30 pts · 83d
You also kinda need to be able to hoist sails, tie knots, swab decks, carry heavy loads, wield a cutlass effectively, and all sorts of other things...
Eheran@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 83d
Eating rotten food is also important. Do it in the dark so you can't see what garbage you are eating...
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 83d
But why is the rum gone?
thisfro@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 83d
That's not good enough!
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 83d
Happy cake day! Sorry we're all out of rum!
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 82d
Why are we always out of rum?
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 82d
Because its an evil drink that can turn even the most devout of men into scoundrels.
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 82d
Ploo-la-larley? Plarly?
Parlay?
That's the one!
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 83d
I see myself as more a manager type. Could I just tell everybody else what to do?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 83d
So you want to be first mate, do ye? Arrr... well... aye.
But first ye must pass a test. Wear an eye patch over each eye and then walk a tightrope from the poop deck to the crows nest. To prove your leadership skills!
DrPop@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 82d
Sure thing... hey Joe cap'n says he needs you to wear these and walk across this rigging I set up.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 82d
Now that's leadership, first matie! Yarrr!
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 82d
Also sleep in a poorly ventilated room, in a tiny hammock, with 50 other men. Don't worry, you'd probably sleep well because you'd be so exhausted from the crushing physical labour. You'd be eating simple, unflavoured bread / crackers that are so hard that they need to be dunked in water for several minutes so they don't break your teeth. And, speaking of teeth, your new job does come with healthcare, but that's mostly tooth pulling and limb amputations. Anything else and you just need to suck it up. No sick days either, you show up for your shifts, 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week. Sickness is probably pretty common. 50 men sleeping in the same crowded, airless room. No washing, no soap. Toilets are simply a plank with a hole above the ocean. No toilet paper either.
But, you do get to sing sea shanties.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 81d
I can handle all that up to the part where there's no toilet paper. I already know I'm gonna be wet and salty and uncomfortable, but ain't no way in hell I'm getting diaper rash on top of that.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 82d
The fact that there's a performance based profit share is a huge draw
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 82d
Also, if I remember correctly, the crew votes on the captain prior to setting sail and there are mechanisms in place to replace the captain if they aren't performing well enough.
TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 82d
I know this is a shit post, but you really can voluteer to sail the world with the Nao Santa María,
https://www.fundacionnaovictoria.org/
I've been on it a while back, beautiful ship.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 82d
A bucket list item of mine is to go on a training ship. I was eyeing up this one https://sailtraininginternational.org/vessel/statsraad-lehmkuhl/.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 82d
Aaand bookmarked. 100% going on my list of stuff to do.
someguy7734206@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 81d
Too bad you don't get paid for it (in fact, you have to pay for it yourself).
shoo@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 82d
A [*squints*] ~20 gun frigate with a crew of only 30-50? That's sounds like a startup nightmare. You'd probably want double that to be comfortable.
"Get in on the ground floor of our fast paced, dynamic environment! Must be self starter willing to work watch-on-watch for the team. No sick days."
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 82d
More rum for me.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 82d
"You know how you normally work dog watches, 4 hours on, 4 hours off? Yeah... Well half the crew quit."
"As a result we're redistributing their watches to the remaining crew from now on. As a result, you can rest when we're in port"
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 82d
That musical instrument list is a joke! No squeeze boxes? No woodwind? No percussion?
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 82d
No hornpipe. I'm out
SavinDWhales@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
Calm down Horatio.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 82d
I mean you can stamp your feet for percussion in a shanty
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 83d
It's like a startup
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 82d
Nice try IDF
trashboypro@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 82d
If we have a right to choose the captain I'm sold.
gegil@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 83d
Is alcohol tolerance required?
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 83d
No but you must drink anyway
nickhammes@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 83d
It's expected you'll pick it up on the job!
iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app · 10 pts · 83d
One day when the toungin' is done, we'll take our leave and go.
https://youtu.be/UgsurPg9Ckw?is=f6uoQN0J7Choy_ow
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 83d
I like tonguing, is the crew into that do you think? :p
TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 82d
The tonging isn't the fun one, it's the cut it out of the whale type
unknown1234_5@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 83d
you forgot to mention the hurdy gurdy
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 82d
Get off Lemmy Swedish Chef
rumba@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 83d
consults wellerman lyrics
hard pass
shweddy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 83d
Objectively better than my current job
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 83d
I can’t play any of those instruments but I know how to make hard tack edible and can reef a sail.
I’ve also got a copy of Lobscouse and Spotted Dog for making authentic sailor meals
mtpender@piefed.social · 8 pts · 83d
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 82d
gdog05@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 83d
🎶 What will you do with a drunken sailor, what will you do with a drunken sailor? 🎶
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 82d
🎵early in the morning 🎵
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 82d
Benefits: free body hair grooming (don't mind that the razor is rusty)
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 82d
That's fine so long as the barber is busty
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 83d
sounds like a great job, hows vacation looking?
mech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 83d
Who needs vacation when your job is sailing the Caribbean?
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 82d
a pirate ship is a lot of work. just cause you are in tropical waters doesnt mean its relaxing. on the contrary, due to the climate its probably hot af when working
Hedup@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 83d
Honestly, rope blisters don't seem as bad as what I'm working with rn.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 82d
While I love the joking in the comments section, I can't help but feel a bit sad.
I'd give almost anything for another sea going posting.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 82d
Literally the only thing that would prevent me from saying yes is the lack of air conditioning.
I can not tolerate the heat, at all
Rooster326@programming.dev · 10 pts · 82d
You have to account for the sea breeze. It makes a big difference
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
Not enough for me.
edit
To Be clear, I have a medical intolerance to heat. Its not about comfort.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 82d
just dip in the water a bit
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 82d
“hop in — the waters fine“
someguy7734206@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 81d
Not below decks where you'll most likely be sleeping (in close proximity to multiple other warm, sweaty, stinky sailors), I suspect.
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 83d
I'd cut off my leg to attach a peg for the opportunity to be a pirate over my current job
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 83d
Do you have a need for programmers?
ashestoashes@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 83d
oh hell yeah, I play upright bass
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 83d
Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 83d
Where I can sign up?
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 82d
How do you even make the bass stay upright? Do you have to freeze it with its mouth open?
smeenz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 82d
Easy mistake to make, but it's not a sea bass, it's; a C Bass (only has one string, tuned to C)
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 82d
I sea now. Tuna fish!
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 83d
I mean I currently work part time at a scuba shop, so I guess I’m at least partially qualified.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 83d
I'm learning the ukelele, does that count?
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 82d
No concertina? It's like the piratey-est instrument!
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 82d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertina
Huh neat.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 81d
Shiver me timbers. Me whole worldview be built on a lie.
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 82d
I hate my job, but at least I don't have all the scars in my body unheal and open up.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 11 pts · 82d
we have lemons onboard
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 82d
life didn't give us lemons
we made them ourselves
NullPointerException@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 83d
Pillaging and killing people without much repercussions is maybe a good point.
toomanypancakes@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 83d
I could play a cajon, would that work?
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 82d
Room and board? Sign me up
adhdsergio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
Do they offer free limes in the office?
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
Gotta keep that scurvy away somehow
mech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 83d
What if the treasure still belongs to someone?
speedstriker858@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 83d
That's what those hatches on the lower deck are for
ColdWater@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 82d
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now..
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 82d
does a cajon count?
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 83d
Having had bath with partially filtered sea-water once, I'd rather not.
alltomorrowsregrets@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 82d