Both have been prioritising "engagement" over "results" because it allows them to advertise to you more.
In case you didn't realise, if the product is free, you're the product and both have been doing an amazing job out of extracting value from your eyeballs.
Unsurprisingly, they're both owned by the same company.
The "results" portion they got rid of is credibility of the results based on cross linking i.e. people linking to useful resources. It was the thing that made Google the best search engine.
Noe they prioritise what sell the most ads as the top priority.
Yes! I've been 'degoogling' for a while. Shifted email, searching, shopping etc elsewhere.
However, Cory Doctorow ('Enshittification') points out that even if you're the advertiser or business customer, you're the product. They get screwed as well. Companies that are too big to care are extracting value from everyone. The policy decisions that allowed them to get that way were made in living memory by named individuals, and can be reversed.
It's so bad. I keep searching topics on YouTube and getting 3-4 results before YouTube starts recommending videos based on past searches or past watched videos. Like, excuse me YouTube, what the fuck? You search what I tell you to search.
All the categories seems wildly divorced from what’s actually in them and half the time the category only suggests two videos… to me it feels like YouTube decides what you watch, today your suggestions are 90% old music videos, tomorrow a bunch of random machining videos, next day fail videos, rinse and repeat - obviously it’s based on your interests not mine but I’m sure everyone is having the same shitty experience
I will say that YT is brilliant and seems to know that when I have a buzz on late at night I want to listen to 80s MTV videos. I listen to one song and then YT is like "here is a playlist with every song you ever searched for from that era."
It also feels like some pages in top results didn't even exist before I made the search. They are filled with generic babble about the subject without ever going to details or conclusions. Dribble that no human would ever write
Dunno about Google but Youtube seems to be making some things harder on purpose, like seeing the date of a video or showing search results in chronological order.
I'd be interested to know if there's a way to fix this issue with extensions. Do you mean browser extensions? I use a browser sometimes and newpipe sometimes.
Using a browser and ublock origin, I find viewing youtube to work ok except for the occasional age gated video that I can't view without a google account. What's stopped working is search ordering and seeing timestamps. Like old comments might get labelled "2 years ago" with mouse-over no longer showing the actual date/time. It's not shown in the unrendered HTML in any obvious way either.
Some of these probably cross over in what they do, but I can't be arsed delving into the nooks and crannies of them, so long as they do the job for me.
Thanks, I don't see any of those fixing the functionality that youtube broke, but the effort is appreciated. The one that shows the upload time only says you can use it while watching the video, but that time is shown in the text blurb if you click "more...". And it makes a network request, of course. I'm using firefox so ublock origin still works for blocking ads.
Yes. I have regularly been using DDG, but would wind up using google sometimes anyway. Now I’m actively forced to use other engines because google is now a monetized results server and will return zero or no relevant results in favor or sponsored or monetized results.
If a guy starts a wildfire to get hired as a fireman because he needs to feed his family then capitalism is bad. There are a lot of examples. Maybe you're saying it's not capitalism, but human nature?
Starting a wildfire is arson and criminal, the only thing that guy should get is jail. You'll get hired as a fireman because you're entrusted to protect the community and as a thank you, the community will pay you back. Does that make sense?
DDG is worse though—so much of the time all I get are pages that were created by an LLM to be search engine optimized. Hollow language and a table of contents just so they can tell me how long to cook rice
It's on purpose. The longer you scroll, the longer you're on the platform. That's higher engagement numbers and is used to expose you to/negotiate higher prices from advertisements.
I honestly think this is one of the reasons AI is so popular with people. We didn't notice because we have been using ddg, and adblocks. But searching for things in google, and finding any decent sites that's related and not shoving down ads all over the screen is hard to find.
Then people found something where they just search/ask things and get answers without any of the hassle. If you don't care about the source, or want to check multiple views then you have what you want. Specially because I think lot of people seem to use google to just find what they already have bias towards.
I use AIs exactly as you're describing, but I ask for sources, which they're "ok" for.
They're bad at it too but in a way that make them useful to then extract the keywords google would expect (i.e, the response doesn't necessarily make sense, but at least I have some resources to form a question google can answer), while google doesn't seem to be able to give me proper results when I search by using words other than the exact matching keywords
Ironically, I'd spend more time on YouTube if I could find something I'd actually enjoy watching. If I find myself scrolling on end without finding anything good, I turn off the TV and go do something else.
Either this or YT. The gaming side of Rumble is fairly normal and apolitical with decent comment and views. I really with someone would buy Rumble out and make it into a normal video hosting site instead of all this MAGA propaganda.
Peertube is so divided that it's nearly impossible to find or post. Bitchute sucks and is filled with view bots, reposters (myself included), and 0.1% of users that comment. Odysee is a pain in the butt to use as a video site. Why do I need points to comment on a video? Also not a lot of traction on it. TikTok if you enjoy being banned or censored for pro-LGBTQ+ anti-China, or too fat, not to mention that it's spyware.
I might have missed a couple, but we're screwed as uploaders.
That feeling when you're trying to browse through a creator you like's page for videos you haven't seen yet, but you have to scroll past the dozens and dozens of things you've already watched, which each take time to load their thumbnails, making the task drag on for ages.
It's been bad for a few years already but it is getting worse. A good chunk of the internet isn't indexing anymore (places which require logins to get the content), and those that are largely exist to earn from the advertising, not to be helpful.
There's actually an opportunity for a disruptive force here. If you can be better at search than Google, you could steal users. But duckduckgo and related are mostly trying to be old Google rather than better Google.
Which sucks when you're the kind of person that craves novelty. Just because I watched a nature documentary about sharks doesn't mean all I want to watch are shark videos. YouTube doesn't seem to understand that.
Thankfully, a lot of people gave really good suggestions when I made this Ask Lemmy post a few months ago. I'm still working my way down the list. Whenever YouTube search fails to give me something new or interesting, I check back on that page and pick a channel somebody suggested. Otherwise, the algorithm gets real stale, real quick.
What you're seeing is called 'enshittification'.
In this particular example, in 2019, Prabhakar Raghavan – the ex-McKinsey, ex-Yahoo MBA who ran ad revenue for Google – came up with an ingenious solution: just make search worse. If you have to run multiple searches to find what you're looking for, that creates multiple chances to show you an ad. No really. This is real.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
Why do people put up with this? You can find out more about enshittification here:
Enshittification is a modern way of saying late stage capitalism. As long as we submit to capital and reject collectivism this will always be the course
Yes, the 'greed is good' neoliberal lunatics have taken over the economics asylum and are privileging capital over labour.
However, Doctorow specifically addresses the question, 'Isn't enshittification just late-stage capitalism'. He talks about specific government policy decisions, made by named individuals, that have ensured that the people making the worst choices will 'succeed' in business at the expense of human rights. He wants us to fight for elected governments not to be pushed around by monopolies and oligarchs, and for a 'new good internet' where adversarial interoperability is allowed to mitigate the worst crimes of the enshittifiers.
Yup. I had this exact thought YESTERDAY, when I did a search for the name of a GitHub project I needed to read up on (I forget which project), with a couple keywords, and the GitHub page wasn't even IN the top results. Later, I was doing a search for a quoted phrase, which of course is supposed to guarantee that the phrase appears, verbatim, in the results, and found that NONE of the results contained that phrase.
And no, I wasn't looking at the AI results, I've got those removed with a plugin.
I was trying to find an anklet, obviously size matters if it’s intended to fit my body and I put “eight inch anklet” in quotes along with a few other adjectives and it flat out ignored it and gave me mostly 9” because that’s the standard size of an anklet… wtf is even the point
Yes! It's very hard to find alternatives to social media sites through google. Get choked in dozens of whiny blogs of 'social media isn't what it used to be' articles instead. Had to find duck duck go on yahoo then find alternative social media sites on duck duck go.
I think using SearXNG is better; you can tweak it to your liking and just dig the internet like we used to do before COVID-19.
Pick an instance, or run it locally. It's up to you.
Yes, it is one of the main reasons I started paying for Kagi. Google search is designed first and foremost to serve you up to advertisers who pay Google.
It matches in what sense? Because google has become nigh useless to me. I'm relying hard on LLMs to provide links because google never gives me any relevant response anymore -- and I'm not even talking about sponsored content here, which makes things worse in some cases
Search has been becoming smarter for years (decades?) by now.
The problem is that search has been made to work with the "you know what I mean" factor... fixing spelling mistakes, considering different tenses or forms of words, including related words...
Search became more friendly to the average non-technical user, but it became harder for users who know/knew how to search for exactly what they want.
Other factors include...
Search Engine Optimization (SEO) where websites try to appear for as many searches as possible, occasionally regardless of relevance
Monetization of search, where people with SEO and a lot of money pay to be included in as many "relevant" searches as possible
AI incorporated into search by trying to find additional relevant pages
Search engines being reluctant to return zero (or few) results and padding the results with other things you "might be interested in"
Also, search trying to use what you "might be interested in" based on what they know about you/your account/your IP address/your location based on your IP range.
What bugs me — and Apple Music is guilty of this too — is when I search for an indie or eastern song and it only shows popular results from the west.
Marvis Pro, a feature rich front end for Apple Music, knows my favourite musicians or bands are ONE OK ROCK, Enya, and Nightwish. I don’t want American Top 40 trash. But it still pushes that stuff.
That is why I've started using Deepseek as a replacement for searches, the proven tract record and successes of the Communist Party of China to improve people's lives make tech out of China OVERWHELMINGLY more trust worthy then tech out of the blood soaked Capitalist Imperialist threat to all humanity that is the US ruling class (and those who currently serve them) (and the US itself for as long as it hasn't yet overthrown the Capitalists (basically the Billionaires, and now also a F**king Trillionare.)) (it's almost like I'm writing code lol, I should try to make my writing style more consistent or something)
I like your spirit, but you went just a little overboard with the rant. I'm saying this just in case you are in doubt about why you are being downvoted, because I get downvoted often and I always get left wondering why it happened. Cheers.
Don't worry about it, most Liberals (note Conservatives are also Liberals) have been fed lies their entire lives to demonize countries like China, and also many people (not just Liberals) have a hard time separating the misuse of a tool from the tool itself (Capitalists use AI against humanity) and so for these two reasons I was already expecting to get down voted, but it is perfectly fine as I do not take it personally, when a challenge comes to a persons world view, a common defensive reaction is to lash out in some way.
I've been using Ecosia since Google turned to absolute dogshit because of SEO and sponsored links. Now I don't even use search engines anymore, I just ask an LLM immediately and tell it to link its sources so I can verify for myself
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vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 65 pts · 68d
Both have been prioritising "engagement" over "results" because it allows them to advertise to you more.
In case you didn't realise, if the product is free, you're the product and both have been doing an amazing job out of extracting value from your eyeballs.
Unsurprisingly, they're both owned by the same company.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 67d
The "results" portion they got rid of is credibility of the results based on cross linking i.e. people linking to useful resources. It was the thing that made Google the best search engine.
Noe they prioritise what sell the most ads as the top priority.
bpalmerau@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 61d
Yes! I've been 'degoogling' for a while. Shifted email, searching, shopping etc elsewhere.
However, Cory Doctorow ('Enshittification') points out that even if you're the advertiser or business customer, you're the product. They get screwed as well. Companies that are too big to care are extracting value from everyone. The policy decisions that allowed them to get that way were made in living memory by named individuals, and can be reversed.
soratoyuki@piefed.zip · 47 pts · 68d
It's so bad. I keep searching topics on YouTube and getting 3-4 results before YouTube starts recommending videos based on past searches or past watched videos. Like, excuse me YouTube, what the fuck? You search what I tell you to search.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
All the categories seems wildly divorced from what’s actually in them and half the time the category only suggests two videos… to me it feels like YouTube decides what you watch, today your suggestions are 90% old music videos, tomorrow a bunch of random machining videos, next day fail videos, rinse and repeat - obviously it’s based on your interests not mine but I’m sure everyone is having the same shitty experience
Squidious@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 65d
I will say that YT is brilliant and seems to know that when I have a buzz on late at night I want to listen to 80s MTV videos. I listen to one song and then YT is like "here is a playlist with every song you ever searched for from that era."
JollyBrancher@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 68d
Yep. And to think we lost Songza to Google Music. To YouTube music. To YouTube.
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 68d
It also feels like some pages in top results didn't even exist before I made the search. They are filled with generic babble about the subject without ever going to details or conclusions. Dribble that no human would ever write
solrize@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 68d
Dunno about Google but Youtube seems to be making some things harder on purpose, like seeing the date of a video or showing search results in chronological order.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Extensions are your friend. I've had to install several just to make YouTube useable!
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 67d
If I need to go find something to make a service useable that’s my sign to not use the service.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 67d
I'd be interested to know if there's a way to fix this issue with extensions. Do you mean browser extensions? I use a browser sometimes and newpipe sometimes.
Using a browser and ublock origin, I find viewing youtube to work ok except for the occasional age gated video that I can't view without a google account. What's stopped working is search ordering and seeing timestamps. Like old comments might get labelled "2 years ago" with mouse-over no longer showing the actual date/time. It's not shown in the unrendered HTML in any obvious way either.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
Not commnenting on the efficacy of the following for everyone, but they help me:
Disable Autoplay for YouTube https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/disable-autoplay-for-yout/dinkeiniijmpjehejhedbciaedblhnnk?pli=1
Return YouTube Dislike https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi
U-Block Origin, obviously (still works fully on Brave Browser) https://ublockorigin.com/
Untrap for YouTube (Block YouTube Shorts & Remove Recommendations) https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/untrap-for-youtube-%E2%80%94-bloc/enboaomnljigfhfjfoalacienlhjlfil
YouTube Channel Blocker https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/youtube-channel-blocker/ghpibapiigafgbaolopljimengkfjofk
YouTube Upload Time https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/youtube-upload-time/nenoecmaibjcahoahnmeinahlapheblg
YTBlock - Block any content from YouTube https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ytblock-block-any-content/nedcanggplmbbgmlpcjiafgjcpdimpea
Some of these probably cross over in what they do, but I can't be arsed delving into the nooks and crannies of them, so long as they do the job for me.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 67d
Thanks, I don't see any of those fixing the functionality that youtube broke, but the effort is appreciated. The one that shows the upload time only says you can use it while watching the video, but that time is shown in the text blurb if you click "more...". And it makes a network request, of course. I'm using firefox so ublock origin still works for blocking ads.
celia@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 67d
Nice list, appreciate it! Unlock Origin seems to still work on Firefox too.
cdzero@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 47d
Unhook does most of this in one extension.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 67d
Yes. I have regularly been using DDG, but would wind up using google sometimes anyway. Now I’m actively forced to use other engines because google is now a monetized results server and will return zero or no relevant results in favor or sponsored or monetized results.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 67d
Yet another on the endless list of reasons why capitalism is bad for humanity.
lautan@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 67d
Doesn't mean capitalism is bad. Google has a search monoply, there are plenty of other search engines but how can they compete.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 66d
If a guy starts a wildfire to get hired as a fireman because he needs to feed his family then capitalism is bad. There are a lot of examples. Maybe you're saying it's not capitalism, but human nature?
lautan@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 47d
Starting a wildfire is arson and criminal, the only thing that guy should get is jail. You'll get hired as a fireman because you're entrusted to protect the community and as a thank you, the community will pay you back. Does that make sense?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 47d
Ah yes...the ideal versus the reality. A fight that has lasted throughout time.
ikilledlaurapalmer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
DDG is worse though—so much of the time all I get are pages that were created by an LLM to be search engine optimized. Hollow language and a table of contents just so they can tell me how long to cook rice
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 68d
It's on purpose. The longer you scroll, the longer you're on the platform. That's higher engagement numbers and is used to expose you to/negotiate higher prices from advertisements.
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 67d
They want you to give up on search and ask their AI
thevoidzero@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
I honestly think this is one of the reasons AI is so popular with people. We didn't notice because we have been using ddg, and adblocks. But searching for things in google, and finding any decent sites that's related and not shoving down ads all over the screen is hard to find.
Then people found something where they just search/ask things and get answers without any of the hassle. If you don't care about the source, or want to check multiple views then you have what you want. Specially because I think lot of people seem to use google to just find what they already have bias towards.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 67d
I use AIs exactly as you're describing, but I ask for sources, which they're "ok" for.
They're bad at it too but in a way that make them useful to then extract the keywords google would expect (i.e, the response doesn't necessarily make sense, but at least I have some resources to form a question google can answer), while google doesn't seem to be able to give me proper results when I search by using words other than the exact matching keywords
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
Ironically, I'd spend more time on YouTube if I could find something I'd actually enjoy watching. If I find myself scrolling on end without finding anything good, I turn off the TV and go do something else.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 68d
I'm annoyed that YT got rid of the search by newest first option. At least Rumble has it still
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 68d
Rumble, which hosts ‘truth’ social’s cloud services…
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d
Either this or YT. The gaming side of Rumble is fairly normal and apolitical with decent comment and views. I really with someone would buy Rumble out and make it into a normal video hosting site instead of all this MAGA propaganda.
Peertube is so divided that it's nearly impossible to find or post. Bitchute sucks and is filled with view bots, reposters (myself included), and 0.1% of users that comment. Odysee is a pain in the butt to use as a video site. Why do I need points to comment on a video? Also not a lot of traction on it. TikTok if you enjoy being banned or censored for pro-LGBTQ+ anti-China, or too fat, not to mention that it's spyware.
I might have missed a couple, but we're screwed as uploaders.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
That feeling when you're trying to browse through a creator you like's page for videos you haven't seen yet, but you have to scroll past the dozens and dozens of things you've already watched, which each take time to load their thumbnails, making the task drag on for ages.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Yeah, the recommended videos is completely broken. It used to be good.
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 11 pts · 68d
Yes. It’s becoming shittier everyday.
troyunrau@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 67d
It's been bad for a few years already but it is getting worse. A good chunk of the internet isn't indexing anymore (places which require logins to get the content), and those that are largely exist to earn from the advertising, not to be helpful.
There's actually an opportunity for a disruptive force here. If you can be better at search than Google, you could steal users. But duckduckgo and related are mostly trying to be old Google rather than better Google.
NKBTN@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 67d
Mojeek is an interesting alternative. Not brilliant, but at least it IS an alternative
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 68d
Use duckduckgo and turn off ai results. Problem solved.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 68d
no-ai duckduckgo is one url away:
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 9 pts · 68d
I just love how YouTube has a "show unwatched" button in its search that usually shows me videos I have watched multiple times.
KnightOfOldEmpire@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 67d
month on month, everything gets worse and more noise to filter out. Can't be the only one with this sentiment.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 68d
Probably because it's prioritising what it thinks you're more likely to click on more than the actual search term. AI recommendations basically.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
Which sucks when you're the kind of person that craves novelty. Just because I watched a nature documentary about sharks doesn't mean all I want to watch are shark videos. YouTube doesn't seem to understand that.
Thankfully, a lot of people gave really good suggestions when I made this Ask Lemmy post a few months ago. I'm still working my way down the list. Whenever YouTube search fails to give me something new or interesting, I check back on that page and pick a channel somebody suggested. Otherwise, the algorithm gets real stale, real quick.
bpalmerau@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 66d
What you're seeing is called 'enshittification'. In this particular example, in 2019, Prabhakar Raghavan – the ex-McKinsey, ex-Yahoo MBA who ran ad revenue for Google – came up with an ingenious solution: just make search worse. If you have to run multiple searches to find what you're looking for, that creates multiple chances to show you an ad. No really. This is real. https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
Why do people put up with this? You can find out more about enshittification here:
Short explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2e-c9SF5nE
Longer explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZaoWpQ-3Zs
Book: https://craphound.com/shop/
Thesilverpig@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 66d
Enshittification is a modern way of saying late stage capitalism. As long as we submit to capital and reject collectivism this will always be the course
bpalmerau@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 61d
Yes, the 'greed is good' neoliberal lunatics have taken over the economics asylum and are privileging capital over labour.
However, Doctorow specifically addresses the question, 'Isn't enshittification just late-stage capitalism'. He talks about specific government policy decisions, made by named individuals, that have ensured that the people making the worst choices will 'succeed' in business at the expense of human rights. He wants us to fight for elected governments not to be pushed around by monopolies and oligarchs, and for a 'new good internet' where adversarial interoperability is allowed to mitigate the worst crimes of the enshittifiers.
orenishii@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 67d
Use something else like Kagi or duckduckgo
JakenVeina@midwest.social · 4 pts · 68d
Yup. I had this exact thought YESTERDAY, when I did a search for the name of a GitHub project I needed to read up on (I forget which project), with a couple keywords, and the GitHub page wasn't even IN the top results. Later, I was doing a search for a quoted phrase, which of course is supposed to guarantee that the phrase appears, verbatim, in the results, and found that NONE of the results contained that phrase.
And no, I wasn't looking at the AI results, I've got those removed with a plugin.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
I was trying to find an anklet, obviously size matters if it’s intended to fit my body and I put “eight inch anklet” in quotes along with a few other adjectives and it flat out ignored it and gave me mostly 9” because that’s the standard size of an anklet… wtf is even the point
garbagehead@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 68d
It's all monetization directed, no matter what. Boolean search is gone.
celia@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 67d
Yes! It's very hard to find alternatives to social media sites through google. Get choked in dozens of whiny blogs of 'social media isn't what it used to be' articles instead. Had to find duck duck go on yahoo then find alternative social media sites on duck duck go.
qx1vsx@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 66d
I think using SearXNG is better; you can tweak it to your liking and just dig the internet like we used to do before COVID-19. Pick an instance, or run it locally. It's up to you.
ultranaut@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 68d
Yes, it is one of the main reasons I started paying for Kagi. Google search is designed first and foremost to serve you up to advertisers who pay Google.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
I wonder what would happen if we all just signed off for the rest of the year.
garbage_world@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 67d
It matches in what sense? Because google has become nigh useless to me. I'm relying hard on LLMs to provide links because google never gives me any relevant response anymore -- and I'm not even talking about sponsored content here, which makes things worse in some cases
garbage_world@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 66d
Google is still the first thing that I check, it's just not as consistent as it used to be in delivering any meaningful results
CryptoKitten@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 68d
Yes
OliverTheBear@lemmy.umucat.day · 2 pts · 65d
Not on YouTube since most things I search for are on the 1st few videos. For google, yes. ive stopped using it and primarily use ddg
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 68d
Search has been becoming smarter for years (decades?) by now.
The problem is that search has been made to work with the "you know what I mean" factor... fixing spelling mistakes, considering different tenses or forms of words, including related words...
Search became more friendly to the average non-technical user, but it became harder for users who know/knew how to search for exactly what they want.
Other factors include...
folaht@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 66d
No. I don't use it.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 68d
What bugs me — and Apple Music is guilty of this too — is when I search for an indie or eastern song and it only shows popular results from the west.
Marvis Pro, a feature rich front end for Apple Music, knows my favourite musicians or bands are ONE OK ROCK, Enya, and Nightwish. I don’t want American Top 40 trash. But it still pushes that stuff.
ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 67d
That is why I've started using Deepseek as a replacement for searches, the proven tract record and successes of the Communist Party of China to improve people's lives make tech out of China OVERWHELMINGLY more trust worthy then tech out of the blood soaked Capitalist Imperialist threat to all humanity that is the US ruling class (and those who currently serve them) (and the US itself for as long as it hasn't yet overthrown the Capitalists (basically the Billionaires, and now also a F**king Trillionare.)) (it's almost like I'm writing code lol, I should try to make my writing style more consistent or something)
nerdhd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
I like your spirit, but you went just a little overboard with the rant. I'm saying this just in case you are in doubt about why you are being downvoted, because I get downvoted often and I always get left wondering why it happened. Cheers.
ILikeToMeow@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 66d
Don't worry about it, most Liberals (note Conservatives are also Liberals) have been fed lies their entire lives to demonize countries like China, and also many people (not just Liberals) have a hard time separating the misuse of a tool from the tool itself (Capitalists use AI against humanity) and so for these two reasons I was already expecting to get down voted, but it is perfectly fine as I do not take it personally, when a challenge comes to a persons world view, a common defensive reaction is to lash out in some way.
Vinny_93@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 68d
I've been using Ecosia since Google turned to absolute dogshit because of SEO and sponsored links. Now I don't even use search engines anymore, I just ask an LLM immediately and tell it to link its sources so I can verify for myself
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 2 pts · 68d
So basically Reddit