You can also get a travel bidet, if you can't permanently install one, or just want to try it out. It's basically just a squeeze bottle with a nozzle...
Sure, I guess, for trying out what a bidet would be like, you can do that.
For more regular usage, though, when you can't install a proper bidet, I would recommend investing the 10-20 bucks for a travel bidet. It's a lot easier/quicker, when the splash water goes straight into the toilet and you don't have to completely take off your pants+socks...
There are cheap ones that just connect to the water line between your toilet and the tank and they're like 20 bucks and they'll last you a couple years.
It takes a little getting used to the cold water spray, but I mean if you're that desperate that you're calculating the 30 cent difference per roll, then it might be worth the investment.
Honestly bidets are super fancy but you could just go with a "bum gun." Little gentle water sprayer you attach to your toilet line and voila. Got mine for like $20-$30 or something.
Quite incredible. So much that I'm miffed this isn't a standard expected thing on toilets.
Personally I started using like. 75% less TP once I got a bidet. Combined with spending $30 on the bidet itself, that's easy savings.
You can get a cheap one for like $25-50 and install it yourself (pretty easy, not actual plumbing, just screwing and unscrewing a few things) and they're fine. The more expensive ones have heated water, but you don't need that. I eventually sprang for a "nicer" one, but now I feel that was unnecessary. Maybe I'm a freak, but I prefer the cold water anyway.
Can confirm; I teach statistics and allow take home exams. I don't even really need guardrails on the math-- if you cheat via LLM, your answer is almost always hilariously wrong.
For simple math that could work, and as long as the question is close enough to an exact match with plenty of published examples to copy.
A good rule of thumb is that the script it will come up with is about as likely to be correct as blindly taking the highest voted answer to the most similar question on Stack Overflow.
If the question is simple and common, the odds are quite good. If the question is nuanced or rare, the odds of a correct result drop off aggressively.
Edit: Your mileage may vary - providing an API to these LLMs that can do math correctly for them is pretty easy. Getting the LLM to consistently detect when to use that API is more challenging. But work-arounds exist.
cannot confirm. have used chatgpt many times to check my physics homework (after doing it myself first) and it was basically correct about 90% of the time.
I can't say that particularly shocks me. I imagine that Chat GPT has probably swallowed dozens of Physics textbooks.
The bigger part of the problem is knowing where we are on the human knowledge novelty / training data available curve, or rather, when we need to get off of the ride.
Edit: Any chance your chosen AI has access to Wolfram Alpha as an MCP Tool? Because that would be very different, too.
If it's successful at math, there's likely much more than a learning model in play.
Which brings us back to the opacity problem. :(
If the answer machine has been cleverly rigged (and weighted) to pass off math questions to more capable software, things can be great.
But a person who just hears that AI can do math now can have a very bad time if they go blindly use a brute force pleasant answer machine on a math problem. :(
Yesterday I literally had to count 14 thousand pounds of fire extinguishers (as in count each extinguisher in a bunch of crates), one of my coworkers came over and said "Why don't you just use AI to count them." They then pulled out their phone, took a picture, asked AI to count them, and was off buy almost 60% on the first crate. Then went "oh, well that's just one example,"
They then tried 4 more times, being between 75% and 50% off each time. They then went "Oh, well, ummm, nevermind." and wandered off again.
(I had to count the extinguishers to make a Bill of Lading for them for shipping them out, you need an accurate count otherwise it will be held by the shipping company until you provide a correct BoL with the correct count due to legal reasons. I couldn't just weigh them and divide the total wieght by the weight of a single extinguisher as they were a bunch of different sizes mixed together. NGL it was the easiest money I've ever made at the at job.)
Oh it sucked for sure, I kept getting interrupted which meant whatever crate I was counting at the time had to be started over.
But the biggest perk was not having to deal with the other idiots on our loading dock for the entire time I was counting.
Though I've joked about it in the past I really should get a shirt that says "I'm trying to focus on my job, please don't distract me" or something like that.
Yes, but most of the paid "LLMs" are not actually just LLMs, they have specific aritimetic modules that end up being activated for most math questions that actual LLMs suck at, however are pretty easy for arithmetic modules, like simple calculations, unit conversions, etc...
So yeah, any edge "LLM" tool currently will always get the original question asked here CORRECT even on the free tiers, you can test it yourself on Google Search itself in "AI mode", on ChatGPT, or DeepSeek...
So you are technically correctly in saying that LLMs suck and cannot be trusted for math in almost any case. However you are wrong on implying that ChatGPT, or other commercial models are just LLMs, they are not.
P.S.: I'm not condoning the use of AI to resolve math related questiona, nor saying that their replies should be trusted, just stating the fact that actual "AI" products use more than just a large language model to generate their responses, and for math related questions most "AI" today will get arithmetic question answered correctly NOT DEPENDING on having training for the exact questiona being asked since they can identify a math arithmetic question being asked and instead of trying to fully generate the answer with the model itself, which would lack the training data to be able to process such wide range of possible question, they generate placeholders internally and let a arithmetic like module do the calculations, which take negligible processing power to be cacoulated by CPUs.
100% it is barely usable now I gave Kagi a few tries and was really impressed by how good and sane the results are but I cannot get myself to hand out more money to an American company.
I should add that they are what's called a Public Benefit Corporation now so there is so effort coming from them.
Yesterday I googled: Hardware store "City Name". It only returned stores from a different city. So I googled: Hardware store "City Name City Name City Name" and it returned a single one for every result
This actually isn't too hard to solve. Double the value of each option by removing the folding requirement from the 2-ply and halving the price of the 3-ply to get an even comparison of 2-ply (330 sheets for $0.70) and 3-ply (300 sheets for $0.60), then recognize that it's not worth adding 1/6 the price for 1/10th the sheets, to see that the 3-ply option is better.
The ply count doesn't reflect thickness or softness at all. Of the 3-ply toilet papers I've used at home, some need three layers to not fall apart on the first wipe, others are fine with a single sheet.
300 sheets for 1.2 is a nice division by .6: 500 sheets for $2. So now all we gotta do is multiply by .7 to get 350 sheets for 1.40.
Considering the fold, we are at 330 effective sheets for 1.40. 350 > 330, get the 3 ply (lol).
This is a little bit funky obviously and just works because of seeing a divisor. If not for that I would have tried once each way to get cost per full effective sheet or cost per half effective sheet to see which one has nicer numbers.
You guys don't have unit pricing? In Australia it's required by law that supermarkets show price per standard unit of measurement so you can easily compare
We do! What's really helpful is many products of the same category are in different units. One will be per sheet, one per roll, one per 100 sheets, one per 500 sheets... and then the true thickness is completely different, so 1 ply for one brand will hold up ok while another will start disintegrating the moment you pull it off the roll. Do you feel free yet?
yeah we have the same in europe for e.g. potato salad (price has to be listed per box and per kg) but that doesn't apply to toilet paper i think ... not a food item.
Its extra fucked because the sheer amount of money ppl at the top have now, like the gap is getting bigger and bigger, why is everyone still broke, how do they benefit from ppl not buying things, like my walmart is full of expired sht all the time now, way less traffix
Always use water and soap to completely clean, however using toilet paper to remove excess at the start, and using toilet paper again afterwards to dry the water after washing is the best, imo.
But yeah, this is out of place for this meme, since perhaps you might end up using more toilet paper overall this way, but I think the end result is the most hygienic haha.
The tp I normally buy from Amazon went from $19.99 to $24.99 during the pandemic. The horror!!
Under trump 2.0, they have been over $30 on average, sometimes as high as $43.99.
Right now they're $26.99 and I literally bought 6 boxes. I've been refusing to buy over $30 and have been buying a cheaper brand until the price came down 🧻
I got sick of the price gouging so I got a bidet for $25 and a pack of 60 cotton washcloths for $30, and other than for guests and such, I just don't use TP anymore. If I’m wiping after a bowel movement, it goes into the laundry and isn't used again until washed (sanitary cycle with bleach). So each cloth is used for a day at most.
I know that probably sets off the squick for a lot of people, but it is basically the same soil level as worn underpants (and way less gross than cloth diapers!), since the bidet takes care of the actual mess, so it just doesn’t bother me, and in the long run saves a ton. Extra bonus, I never run out!
I bought two big batches of toilet paper from Costco last December. Considering it's August and I'm still in the first batch (and near the end of it), I'm happy to say my initial calculation of "a year's worth of toilet paper" is holding up!
Everyone has different purposes. Some are dabbing away urine, some are drying their selves after using a bidet, some are cleaning the walls after MAHA "fixed" our lettuce situation.
I use less of the single ply than the double ply. I think I make it 1.5 ply thick, or something. Anyway, I don't want a bidet, you guys have fun with that.
Just don't flush them. They ruin septic tank and clog city sewer pumps and drains, especially if they mix with fats or grease, which also shouldn't be flushed or put down drains.
Interesting, although frustratingly it didn't actually tell me what to watch out for. Just saying "no" to an entire product category seems like an excessively large hammer
Toilet paper doesn't dissolve when damp. Before you get condescending, think about if your criticism applies to the product you're telling me to use instead.
You can test your "flushable" wipes. Put them in a jar with water, shake for 30 seconds. Do the same with toilet paper. Wait 5 minutes. If your wipes aren't as broken down as the toilet paper, they will cause problems in your pipes.
Act particular reason why flushable wipes aren't flushable? They're already almost at the point of disintegration when you use them. As long as you're not using a lot, it doesn't seem like they'd cause a problem
A reasonable assumption to make, but you would be wrong.
According to Howard Carter, president of the board of trustees at the Water Environment Federation (WEF), a nonprofit established in 1928 that works to protect public health and the environment, this isn’t just a nightmare scenario—it’s a reality for these workers. Carter tells CR that workers can be on call any given night, and it’s not unusual to get calls at 2 a.m. because of pumps blocked by wipes. “We try to keep up with these things by engineering different products to help, but it’s just a very, very expensive endeavor,” Carter says. These costs, part of the NACWA’s estimate of $441 million a year in operating costs to deal with wipes in sewage systems, range from investing in new technologies to track the level of water in pipes and manholes due to blockages from wipes, to investing in new pumps that will actually cut up the wipes. “These are all extra capital costs associated with increased staff time to monitor and remediate,” Carter says.
Hell, here's a link to a FAQ from a company that would benefit from more people using "flushable" wipes:
I just fuckthe dead on camera and make two-three figures easy. Get with the fucking times, bro. Just let your sister die out autoaphasia with a mild case of head trauma from seven points of impact which likely came from the transportation of the victim, I mean, patient, and you got an easy route to make your beer and weed money back each night, if you got a secure internet connection.
138 Comments
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 173 pts · 2d
A bidet, you should buy a bidet.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net · 83 pts · 2d
And use a calculator ffs it comes free with whatever device you’re using to ask a chatbot.
TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de · 38 pts · 2d
People have to know how to create the math problem then. Schools are really falling down here
despoticruin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
It's funny how often these are the same people that complained about math word problems and extracting formulae out of them in school.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 2d
How do I type the prompt on the calculator?? I can only type numbers???
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 24 pts · 2d
Heehee you can type words, like
8008135
:D
protist@retrofed.com · 12 pts · 2d
I think you mean 5318008
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 1d
Oh, I was holding it upside down!
(Lol yes you're right XD)
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
😏
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2d
Skill issue. People genuinly don'tknow how to use their phone properly
trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 2d
You can also get a travel bidet, if you can't permanently install one, or just want to try it out. It's basically just a squeeze bottle with a nozzle...
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1d
Standing in the shower and spreading your asscheeks is still free
trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
Sure, I guess, for trying out what a bidet would be like, you can do that.
For more regular usage, though, when you can't install a proper bidet, I would recommend investing the 10-20 bucks for a travel bidet. It's a lot easier/quicker, when the splash water goes straight into the toilet and you don't have to completely take off your pants+socks...
errer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
I have wondered what the math of a bidet is. Decent ones cost a few hundred bucks. When does the TP saving win out? How long do bidets last?
felixwhynot@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 2d
The feeling of a freshly-washed anus is priceless
openchan@piefed.social · 10 pts · 2d
i want that on my epitaph
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2d
There are cheap ones that just connect to the water line between your toilet and the tank and they're like 20 bucks and they'll last you a couple years.
It takes a little getting used to the cold water spray, but I mean if you're that desperate that you're calculating the 30 cent difference per roll, then it might be worth the investment.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2d
I've had mine since 2020 and it cost like $40.
Zero frills. Still $40 apparently.
https://luxebidet.com/products/neo-120
MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.place · 1 pts · 1d
I've got the same one. It's lasted several years at this point. Aiming is a bit of a pain, but it does the job.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d
Honestly bidets are super fancy but you could just go with a "bum gun." Little gentle water sprayer you attach to your toilet line and voila. Got mine for like $20-$30 or something.
Quite incredible. So much that I'm miffed this isn't a standard expected thing on toilets.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Personally I started using like. 75% less TP once I got a bidet. Combined with spending $30 on the bidet itself, that's easy savings.
You can get a cheap one for like $25-50 and install it yourself (pretty easy, not actual plumbing, just screwing and unscrewing a few things) and they're fine. The more expensive ones have heated water, but you don't need that. I eventually sprang for a "nicer" one, but now I feel that was unnecessary. Maybe I'm a freak, but I prefer the cold water anyway.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Used bottle with water.
zedgeist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Bidet to you, sir.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 148 pts · 2d
I know this is a meme, but for the record math is one of the things LLMs are famously worst at
taiyang@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 2d
Can confirm; I teach statistics and allow take home exams. I don't even really need guardrails on the math-- if you cheat via LLM, your answer is almost always hilariously wrong.
Mika@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 2d
I've not used gpt for quite a while, but can't you ask to python script the evaluation?
EnsignWashout@startrek.website · 25 pts · 2d
For simple math that could work, and as long as the question is close enough to an exact match with plenty of published examples to copy.
A good rule of thumb is that the script it will come up with is about as likely to be correct as blindly taking the highest voted answer to the most similar question on Stack Overflow.
If the question is simple and common, the odds are quite good. If the question is nuanced or rare, the odds of a correct result drop off aggressively.
Edit: Your mileage may vary - providing an API to these LLMs that can do math correctly for them is pretty easy. Getting the LLM to consistently detect when to use that API is more challenging. But work-arounds exist.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1d
cannot confirm. have used chatgpt many times to check my physics homework (after doing it myself first) and it was basically correct about 90% of the time.
these were not standard exercises (i think)
EnsignWashout@startrek.website · 1 pts · 23h
Thanks. I think every data point helps people.
I can't say that particularly shocks me. I imagine that Chat GPT has probably swallowed dozens of Physics textbooks.
The bigger part of the problem is knowing where we are on the human knowledge novelty / training data available curve, or rather, when we need to get off of the ride.
Edit: Any chance your chosen AI has access to Wolfram Alpha as an MCP Tool? Because that would be very different, too.
If it's successful at math, there's likely much more than a learning model in play.
Which brings us back to the opacity problem. :(
If the answer machine has been cleverly rigged (and weighted) to pass off math questions to more capable software, things can be great.
But a person who just hears that AI can do math now can have a very bad time if they go blindly use a brute force pleasant answer machine on a math problem. :(
Gormadt@slrpnk.net · 45 pts · 2d
Yesterday I literally had to count 14 thousand pounds of fire extinguishers (as in count each extinguisher in a bunch of crates), one of my coworkers came over and said "Why don't you just use AI to count them." They then pulled out their phone, took a picture, asked AI to count them, and was off buy almost 60% on the first crate. Then went "oh, well that's just one example,"
They then tried 4 more times, being between 75% and 50% off each time. They then went "Oh, well, ummm, nevermind." and wandered off again.
(I had to count the extinguishers to make a Bill of Lading for them for shipping them out, you need an accurate count otherwise it will be held by the shipping company until you provide a correct BoL with the correct count due to legal reasons. I couldn't just weigh them and divide the total wieght by the weight of a single extinguisher as they were a bunch of different sizes mixed together. NGL it was the easiest money I've ever made at the at job.)
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 2d
$10 says they still think AI is great at counting things.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 2d
Easy money for you. For me that work would have been torture.
Gormadt@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 2d
Oh it sucked for sure, I kept getting interrupted which meant whatever crate I was counting at the time had to be started over.
But the biggest perk was not having to deal with the other idiots on our loading dock for the entire time I was counting.
Though I've joked about it in the past I really should get a shirt that says "I'm trying to focus on my job, please don't distract me" or something like that.
ruan@lemmy.eco.br · 5 pts · 1d
Yes, but most of the paid "LLMs" are not actually just LLMs, they have specific aritimetic modules that end up being activated for most math questions that actual LLMs suck at, however are pretty easy for arithmetic modules, like simple calculations, unit conversions, etc...
So yeah, any edge "LLM" tool currently will always get the original question asked here CORRECT even on the free tiers, you can test it yourself on Google Search itself in "AI mode", on ChatGPT, or DeepSeek...
So you are technically correctly in saying that LLMs suck and cannot be trusted for math in almost any case. However you are wrong on implying that ChatGPT, or other commercial models are just LLMs, they are not.
P.S.: I'm not condoning the use of AI to resolve math related questiona, nor saying that their replies should be trusted, just stating the fact that actual "AI" products use more than just a large language model to generate their responses, and for math related questions most "AI" today will get arithmetic question answered correctly NOT DEPENDING on having training for the exact questiona being asked since they can identify a math arithmetic question being asked and instead of trying to fully generate the answer with the model itself, which would lack the training data to be able to process such wide range of possible question, they generate placeholders internally and let a arithmetic like module do the calculations, which take negligible processing power to be cacoulated by CPUs.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 1d
were before they started just writing a mini-python script for every calculation and executing that.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 58 pts · 2d
I just got into a little spat with my friends fiance because she intellectually offloads with AI.
I stand by it.
theparadox@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 2d
The number of people I know who now ask AI instead of web searching is... very upsetting.
Damage@feddit.it · 41 pts · 2d
Doesn't help that web search is shit nowadays
arin@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2d
That might be intentional and also coz of the shitty ai blog/info sites
natecox@programming.dev · 13 pts · 2d
In the case of Google it is very much intentional, and documented. Good search means fewer search attempts and that means fewer displayed ads.
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 6 pts · 2d
100% it is barely usable now I gave Kagi a few tries and was really impressed by how good and sane the results are but I cannot get myself to hand out more money to an American company.
I should add that they are what's called a Public Benefit Corporation now so there is so effort coming from them.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
SEO existed before chatgpt
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2d
If you search Google just serves you their AI shit. The other day their AI told me the word "rainy" has 4 letters.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 2d
It's does have 4 letters. It has 5 letters too.
StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 2d
It does. It also has 5 letters but 4 is technically correct
SGforce@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 2d
Yesterday I googled: Hardware store "City Name". It only returned stores from a different city. So I googled: Hardware store "City Name City Name City Name" and it returned a single one for every result
DrCake@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Google search has got so bad in the last couple of years that I actually don’t blame people for using AI for this.
BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
Theres actually a secret third option
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 1d
going offline to live in a hut in the forest?
BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 22h
Close, use not google
Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au · 3 pts · 2d
the number of people who are web searching are still majorly just consuming google's AI and thats... more upsetting
not@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 2d
Poop at work, get paid while pooping and use free tp.
TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 2d
Their tp is all scratchy and thin though...
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 2d
Fold it 35 times
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
And now you have 35 papercuts and shit on your hand
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
And the toilet's clogged. Now where are you gonna hide away and procrastinate?
Venator@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 1d
Just grab a box of tissues from the office supplies closet instead.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 2d
This actually isn't too hard to solve. Double the value of each option by removing the folding requirement from the 2-ply and halving the price of the 3-ply to get an even comparison of 2-ply (330 sheets for $0.70) and 3-ply (300 sheets for $0.60), then recognize that it's not worth adding 1/6 the price for 1/10th the sheets, to see that the 3-ply option is better.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net · 22 pts · 2d
By the first sentence, you’ve already done more problem solving than an LLM-brained person.
Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au · 3 pts · 2d
Feel like bidet's must be accounted for if we gonna start the math justifications
Tommelot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Not folding 3-ply is asking for added expenses in the form of water and soap though... Push right through em
howrar@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
The ply count doesn't reflect thickness or softness at all. Of the 3-ply toilet papers I've used at home, some need three layers to not fall apart on the first wipe, others are fine with a single sheet.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 3 pts · 1d
That's needlessly complicated.
If you're folding the 2-ply, you only get 165 wipes. So divide 70 by 165 to get 0.42 cents a wipe
Now the 3-ply is 300 wipes, so divide 120 by 300 to get 0.40 cents a wipe
The cheap stuff is more expensive.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I can't easily divide 70 by 165 in my head tho
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 3 pts · 1d
I carry a calculator at all times. My math teachers were wrong.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
It hurts my brain to do it that way.
300 sheets for 1.2 is a nice division by .6: 500 sheets for $2. So now all we gotta do is multiply by .7 to get 350 sheets for 1.40.
Considering the fold, we are at 330 effective sheets for 1.40. 350 > 330, get the 3 ply (lol).
This is a little bit funky obviously and just works because of seeing a divisor. If not for that I would have tried once each way to get cost per full effective sheet or cost per half effective sheet to see which one has nicer numbers.
... Or just open the calculator app.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Funny how brains can work so differently lol
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
I've had the calculator open for 15 minutes but nothing is happening, is it broken? Help?
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
But we need to take into account that the folded 2 ply becomes an effective 4 ply, so you're getting more ply per penny
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 1d
Incorrect, I would rather die before asking Chat GPT anything
Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1d
You ovation is loading, please stand by...
silasmariner@programming.dev · 0 pts · 1d
Would you actually rather die? That seems likely to be an exaggeration but I don't know you.
cosmos8188@leminal.space · 2 pts · 1d
You never know..
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 1d
You guys don't have unit pricing? In Australia it's required by law that supermarkets show price per standard unit of measurement so you can easily compare
awfulawful@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 1d
We do! What's really helpful is many products of the same category are in different units. One will be per sheet, one per roll, one per 100 sheets, one per 500 sheets... and then the true thickness is completely different, so 1 ply for one brand will hold up ok while another will start disintegrating the moment you pull it off the roll. Do you feel free yet?
nullspace@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I don't think unit counts account for what ply the toilet paper is.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I always check that but have found a couple instances where the math did not work out. Either it was wrong on purpose or by accident
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
yeah we have the same in europe for e.g. potato salad (price has to be listed per box and per kg) but that doesn't apply to toilet paper i think ... not a food item.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
Two ply 70¢ / (330/2) = 0.42 ¢
Three ply 120¢ / 300 = 0.4 ¢
Basically the same.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
You meant 3 not one but I get you.
You'd think we would buy a bidet
someguy3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Corrected thanks.
Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
No, that is roughly 5 wipes more per roll
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
"You've spent 3x the theoretical savings asking me this question"
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Over what time period though?
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 1d
That comes out to 0.004242 per doubled-up 2-ply sheet vs 0.004 per 3-ply sheet
dil@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 2d
Its extra fucked because the sheer amount of money ppl at the top have now, like the gap is getting bigger and bigger, why is everyone still broke, how do they benefit from ppl not buying things, like my walmart is full of expired sht all the time now, way less traffix
Jumi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
I shit and shower at work, not simultaneously though
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler most of the time :::
rmuk@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 2d
Gotta stomp those spicy nuggets away. Then wash your shit-caked feet.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
This man showershits
rmuk@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 2d
Better to shower shit than shit showers.
Edit: fuck, I should have said "better to shit in the shower than shower in the shit", that would have been way better.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
It's not too late to edit it, I haven't read it yet
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1d
Butt sprayer ftw
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Water just use water you noobs. Didn't gtp tell you?
Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 1d
Llms will discourage bidet usage so they can use the water instead
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
If chatgpt knows about something is about water usage.
ruan@lemmy.eco.br · 2 pts · 1d
Always use water and soap to completely clean, however using toilet paper to remove excess at the start, and using toilet paper again afterwards to dry the water after washing is the best, imo.
But yeah, this is out of place for this meme, since perhaps you might end up using more toilet paper overall this way, but I think the end result is the most hygienic haha.
foggy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
The tp I normally buy from Amazon went from $19.99 to $24.99 during the pandemic. The horror!!
Under trump 2.0, they have been over $30 on average, sometimes as high as $43.99.
Right now they're $26.99 and I literally bought 6 boxes. I've been refusing to buy over $30 and have been buying a cheaper brand until the price came down 🧻
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 2d
I got sick of the price gouging so I got a bidet for $25 and a pack of 60 cotton washcloths for $30, and other than for guests and such, I just don't use TP anymore. If I’m wiping after a bowel movement, it goes into the laundry and isn't used again until washed (sanitary cycle with bleach). So each cloth is used for a day at most.
I know that probably sets off the squick for a lot of people, but it is basically the same soil level as worn underpants (and way less gross than cloth diapers!), since the bidet takes care of the actual mess, so it just doesn’t bother me, and in the long run saves a ton. Extra bonus, I never run out!
justsomeguy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Wait what? How many rolls are in a box? I pay 3 bucks for a pack of 3ply.
foggy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
24 rolls
4 things of 6 rolls per box.
So yes I have over 150 rolls of tp on hand right now. Don't judge me!
Denvil@piefed.world · 2 pts · 2d
I can pay $28 for 36 rolls of 3 ply 255 sheets per roll (quilted northern) or $27 for 45 rolls of 2 ply 473 sheets per roll (pom) at Sam's Club
foggy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Yeah I was doing something similar when my preferred butt wipes got too pricey for my chapped ass.
Sirence@feddit.org · 2 pts · 2d
20 dollars for 24 rolls of toilet paper is insane. Here 10 rolls are not even 4 eur. Edit: and 3ply not 2
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I bought two big batches of toilet paper from Costco last December. Considering it's August and I'm still in the first batch (and near the end of it), I'm happy to say my initial calculation of "a year's worth of toilet paper" is holding up!
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Wait, you are not telling me you use a single 3 layer piece to wipe, are you?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 2d
Everyone has different purposes. Some are dabbing away urine, some are drying their selves after using a bidet, some are cleaning the walls after MAHA "fixed" our lettuce situation.
arin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Sometimes if it's clean
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
I use less of the single ply than the double ply. I think I make it 1.5 ply thick, or something. Anyway, I don't want a bidet, you guys have fun with that.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1d
Kids today with their 3-ply ass napkin options.
arin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Valid question tho
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 1d
Is the sheet count accurate or is it their stupid marketing math numbers that are complete and utter bullshit?
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 2d
I'm living the dream with wet wipes.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 2d
Just don't flush them. They ruin septic tank and clog city sewer pumps and drains, especially if they mix with fats or grease, which also shouldn't be flushed or put down drains.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
you arnt suppose to flush wetwipes anyways.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · -19 pts · 2d
They're specifically flushable wipes, not actual wetwipes brand.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 2d
No wipes are actually flushable.
https://www.consumerreports.org/home-garden/are-flushable-wipes-really-flushable-a1736074350/
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
There exist flushable wipes that disolve in water but the issue is finding them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
they are usually near the toilet paper/towels in most chains.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 2d
Interesting, although frustratingly it didn't actually tell me what to watch out for. Just saying "no" to an entire product category seems like an excessively large hammer
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
If they dissolved while wet, they would turn into mush in the packaging. If you really want your wipes to be wet, moisten your TP before wiping.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 2d
Toilet paper doesn't dissolve when damp. Before you get condescending, think about if your criticism applies to the product you're telling me to use instead.
Slatlun@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2d
You can test your "flushable" wipes. Put them in a jar with water, shake for 30 seconds. Do the same with toilet paper. Wait 5 minutes. If your wipes aren't as broken down as the toilet paper, they will cause problems in your pipes.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Lol, the TP turns to pulp when you flush, the wet wipes turn to goo. Don't flush any kind of wet wipes.
If you want to prove me wrong then put a wet wipe in a cup for 15min and a piece of TP in another cup then shake it. Send pics to update us.
Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
Because the bad products are claiming to be good. It's a poisoned product category.
A bidet is a safer option, and cheaper in the long term.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 2d
Yes, because the entire category is a myth
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
Inbefore people start saying those are a scam. Did you test if they actually dissolve in water?
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
They're sold wet, they don't dissolve in water, that wouldn't make any sense.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
You do realise they are not sold soaked in water? They are soaked with other things, you can check the packaging.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
they feel wet, but it's typically some kind of silica gel (i think?) instead of water that they're soaked with
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
You're gonna need a plumber eventually
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 2d
Act particular reason why flushable wipes aren't flushable? They're already almost at the point of disintegration when you use them. As long as you're not using a lot, it doesn't seem like they'd cause a problem
Janx@piefed.social · 9 pts · 2d
A reasonable assumption to make, but you would be wrong.
Hell, here's a link to a FAQ from a company that would benefit from more people using "flushable" wipes:
https://www.rotorooter.com/blog/toilet/wet-wipes-not-passing-plumbers-flushability-test
OhmeHose@feddit.org · 3 pts · 2d
Wet wipes are nice, but this is peak:
https://bidetlity.de/en/collections/all
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2d
I do want to get a bidet, but not that 😅
natecox@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2d
The cleaning brush gave me a double take, it was not clear from the thumbnail that it was for cleaning the bottles.
omodasonya3@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 19h
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 2d
Cringe and slop brained
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 2d
I just fuckthe dead on camera and make two-three figures easy. Get with the fucking times, bro. Just let your sister die out autoaphasia with a mild case of head trauma from seven points of impact which likely came from the transportation of the victim, I mean, patient, and you got an easy route to make your beer and weed money back each night, if you got a secure internet connection.