Caramel is trash 🗑️

Caramel isn't a flavour, it's just burnt sugar. I don't care for it. It's sticky and unpleasant and I would rather it not be in my desserts.

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JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 135 pts · 33d (4 replies)

Massively faulty premise. The point isn't to burn sugars but to heat them slowly so as to bring about (wait for it) caramelization.

Quite aside from producing sweets, this is one of the most critical chemical reactions in cooking(†), used in any number of popular, classic dishes.

EDIT: (†) and arguably even in human evolution, believe it or not.

Upvote that your whole premise sucks. 🙂

Wrufieotnak@feddit.org · 23 pts · 33d (1 reply)

I would have expected a user named JohnnyEnzyme to value the denaturation of proteins during heating higher than some boring carbohydrates making some polymerisation reactions. ;-)

JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 12 pts · 33d

Ugh.
I took NUTR101 and CHEM102 a long time ago, and never Food Science / Chemistry 101.

Consider me your dumbass. :D

MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d (1 reply)

Quite aside from producing sweets, this is one of the most critical chemical reactions in cooking(†), used in any number of popular, classic dishes.

I would disagree and say it's the Maillard reaction which is similar but different from caramelization.

JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 7 pts · 32d

Multiple things can be true, and often are.

originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com · 60 pts · 33d (1 reply)

congrats, now that is an unpopular opinion. caramel is so awesome, it has its own verb

ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 33d
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dregan@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 33d (10 replies)

Butter, cream, salt are all a huge part of the flavor too. Also, its a Maillard reaction, not oxidation. So, not only is your opinion unpopular, it is also objectively false.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · -22 pts · 33d (9 replies)

Butter, cream, salt, and sugar are already in the vast majority of desserts. You do not need more of this! Onions should be caramelized, sugar should not be. This is my unpopular opinion. Someone like you disagrees. We get it

Butiki@mander.xyz · 52 pts · 33d (6 replies)

Mmmhh but akshully, when you caramelize onions, you're technically caramelizing the natural sugars in the onion ☝️🤓

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · -35 pts · 33d (5 replies)

Wow looks you paid attention in year 8. Good job

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 33d (3 replies)

You need to wear that unpopular opinion cape proudly, not be defensive. Although, it kind of makes it more fun for us, so carry on.

Butiki@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 33d (2 replies)

Yeah what this guy said. It's okay not to like caramel, I'm not gonna force it down their throat or mock them for their tastes. But omg what's with the abrasive attitude!

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 33d (1 reply)

I'm not the best at online messaging but my tone was intended to be jokey!

Butiki@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 33d

Fair enough, inferring tone online is hard as hell. Both as sender and recipient. No hard feelings ofc

Oisteink@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 33d

Shame you didn’t

Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 33d (1 reply)

It's not that they are disagreeing with your opinion, so much as they are correctly pointing out that caramel is not burnt sugar. It's like saying that a cake is burnt flour. It's wrong and stupid.

kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 33d (2 replies)

It's an incorrect opinion, not liking caramel is fine but caramelization is chemically completely distinct from burning. That's like saying you only like sushi because cooked fish is just burnt fish

JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 2 pts · 32d

That’s like saying you only like sushi because cooked fish is just burnt fish

Funnily enough, I (the top rebutter here) come from a culture in which we cold-cook fish, rendering it impossible to burn.

Ceviche, baby.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d

Yeah but how do you know if bread is overly toasted or burnt?

ccunning@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 33d

If you burnt your sugar you blew past the caramel stages

foggy@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 33d (3 replies)

Yep. This is unpopular.

Bourbon, banana, maple, caramel, vanilla... they all dance around a midpoint flavor of the gods.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 33d (2 replies)

Maple, Banana, and Vanilla are all natural flavors I enjoy. Bourbon is an American creation I don't care for and caramel is burnt sugar. Those things do not belong in the same group.

foggy@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 33d

More bourbon bananas foster for me!

LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 15 pts · 33d

Caramel is by definition not burnt sugar, though. Literally different things.

DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 33d

Upvote for a truly unpopular opinion!

Also, your description of caramel is incorrect, caramel is caramelized sugar. But that doesn't effect you not liking it!

MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 33d

Burnt sugar does not = caramel.

This post is invalid.

the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 32d

I wholeheartedly disagree but congrats for having an actual unpopular opinion.

cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 33d

Damn a real unpopular opinion

ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 33d

Nah sugar is just undercooked caramel!

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 33d

If you burn the sugar, it most assuredly is not caramel. It's also not usually just melted sugar but a mixture of melted sugar, salt, butter, and heavy cream.

SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 33d

I don't like caramel desserts, but this is just culinarily incorrect. It's not burnt sugar, it's sugar that's undergone a millard reaction. This is how many many foods are also prepared, and what makes them delicious.

Carmel isn't burnt sugar any more than a seared steak is burnt meat.

swelter_spark@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 33d (1 reply)

I have noticed lately that commercially available caramel doesn't taste like caramel anymore, it just tastes sweet

LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 4 pts · 33d

Yea, definitely right about the commercial chemical machine-shat shit. Capitalism is really showing its true colors lately...

Malyca@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 32d

Upvoting for an actual unpopular opinion, you psychopath

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 33d (1 reply)

Truly unpopular.

Caramel, especially salted caramel is really good.

CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d

I think salting caramel makes it especially gross and won’t eat salted caramel at all.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 6 pts · 33d (2 replies)

It can also be burnt milk fat, such as Dulce Leches.

bufalo1973@piefed.social · 4 pts · 33d

Dulce de leche. It's Spanish.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 33d

I agree, just like toffee and butterscotch. They're all trash.

0li0li@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 33d

Fuck you! Agree upvote.

Stern@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d (3 replies)

Same opinion for butterscotch or nah?

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d (1 reply)

Butterscotch is even worse than caramel.

Stern@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d

Fuck you Butterscotch is rad, but also good on you for being consistent regarding your burnt sugar opinions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterscotch

CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d

Not OP but yes, I think it’s also gross

nullspace@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d

OP mad because they got caramel on their fingers.

Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 31d

Thats not just unpopular, thats a verified trash take. Take my upvote and leave earth

lena@gregtech.eu · 3 pts · 33d

Wow, I'm not the only one

RBWells@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d

Homemade toffee is one of the most delicious substances on the planet.

Goat milk caramel, oooooh so delicious.

Yes soft caramel is sticky but the flavor is amazing. Magically changed by heat from just butter and sugar and cream to caramel.

Any cookie with butter and sugar has a similar toasted sugar flavor. It's a foundational flavor in cooking.

Thank you for you absolutely trash opinion on this delicious food. Perfection.

southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 33d

Definitely unpopular by any metric!

I'll add to the list of folks explaining that the way you describe caramel isn't accurate, as there is a difference between burnt sugar and caramel.

I'll also add my own bit of opinion that not all caramel is equal. When made on the cheap, particularly in commercial sized batches, it's way less likely to be anything other than why you say you don't like it: sticky and unpleasant. Shitty caramel is most often not even caramel, it's a flavored and thickened syrup, which will have only scant flavor beyond being cloying.

You probably wouldn't like good caramel either though, So I won't waste your time or mine explaining how to make it. But suffice it to say that if it's homemade, you have much better control of the results, and thus a better chance of it being good.

architect@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 33d

I agree.

Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 31d

It literally isn't just burnt sugar... That is like calling anything cooked "just burnt". Also, caramel usually has butter and cream in as well, so it's even worse than that. "I hate cake, it's literally just burnt flour".

You're a loon and your opinion is hot garbage.

BassTurd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d (1 reply)

What about a caramel sauce, like on Ice cream? It's sticky like any other syrup, but not in the way that gets stuck in teeth. Curious if it's also the flavour or mostly the texture.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 33d

It's the flavor and the texture. You just described a way to ruin ice cream, btw :P

fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 33d (1 reply)

All kinds? They range in consistence.

ThunderComplex@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 33d

Most important question. I’ve ate caramel ranging from melts in your mouth to your teeth explode and the consistency is a huge factor in the enjoyment.

strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 31d

okay, but it's the yummiest burnt sugar ever!

HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 33d

got my upvote. I love a good bullseye.

Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 33d

Someone has never had caramel ice cream, I see.

CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d

I’d say 90% of caramel is gross, you being correct or not about it being burnt sugar is irrelevant to the fact most caramel is gross. Flavored soft cream caramel can be good though. Salted caramel is disgusting, it’s the worst type of caramel to me by far.

_stranger_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d

Is this like the cilantro thing? I'm fascinated.

If you ever get the chance, find a Mexican candy/sauce called "Leche Quemada", it's the best caramel analog I've ever had.

systemglitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d

Heathen.

Donkter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d

Mmmm burnt sugar...

kieron115@startrek.website · 0 pts · 33d (6 replies)

Serious question. When you have a steak, or any piece of meat really, do you try to make sure it doesn't get an color when it cooks? A lot of what's happening is the same (heat converting sugars and things into other compounds that our brains like)

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d (2 replies)

This is a misconception. The Maillard reaction is distinct from caramelization. The two processes occur at different temperatures and involve different inputs. Caramelization can occur with sugars alone, whereas the Maillard reaction requires amino acids (such as from proteins).

kieron115@startrek.website · 1 pts · 33d (1 reply)

TIL! So (in general) it goes maillard reaction -> caramelization -> pyrolysis as temperatures increase?

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d

Yes. Maillard reaction occurs between 140C and 165C, accelerating as the temperature rises. Caramelization occurs above 170C.

Since there isn’t that much of a temperature difference between these stages, and because something with the very complex chemistry, shape, and structure of food is difficult to heat evenly, in real cooking you’ll get Maillard browning and caramelization happening at the same time in different parts of the food. You can of course increase the amount of caramelization by using a sugar-based marinade or sauce, and this is why barbecue sauce is so popular!

CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d (1 reply)

I’m not OP but I don’t like a seared steak, I don’t like char, if it wasn’t for micro plastics a sous vide steak would be my preference if I ate red meat

kieron115@startrek.website · 1 pts · 32d

Apparently my question was partially invalid anyway, see the reply about maillard vs caramelization.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d

I'm a vegetarian so that sounds horrible to me either way!

hakase@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 33d (3 replies)

This is the correct opinion, so am I supposed to downvote?

Caramel tastes like shit, has awful consistency, and it gets stuck in my teeth. I hate caramel.

HubertManne@piefed.social · 5 pts · 33d

yes. you upvote if you disagree to get the most unpopular opinions to the top and downvote if you agree because its not really an unpopular opinion.

FuckingHA@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 33d (1 reply)

Thank you! I knew I was not the only one!

FlordaMan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 33d

I also strongly dislike caramel! Maybe we can start a club.