TBH I'm not super knowledgable about makeup, but the look on the left side, or something more or less like it, is pretty common in like celebrity spaces, porn etc., and it definitely wasn't quite like this 20 years ago. Maralago face is one variant, but the general style seems broader than that to me.
Did not know Maralago face was a thing, but I know exactly what you mean.
My (ultra-MAGA) father won't shut up about how "drop dead gorgeous" Melania Trump is....but when i look at her, she looks like she's made of plastic.
Not to necessarily knock the look; it must work for some people, and if that's how you prefer to look, don't let me shit on your day. That said, it's not for me and I'm glad my partner prefers a more au natural look.
The left picture is a pretty good example. I don't know any of the terminology but it seems to revolve around trying to make it look like they have maralago face. Just ends up looking unnatural to me.
For a complete stranger, you seem to think you've got me all figured out. While we're throwing accusations around, you come across as really defensive and needlessly confrontational.
Velma will post “Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” and “I’m lying in bed thinking about women” in the same thread. You’re not the problem right now.
Edit: Sorry, it was “Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”
People like you do more harm than good for the cause you're fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.
They're not of the correctly gendering crowd, ergo their use of "female" is inherently derogatory. That's the point. It's not the word, per se, but the sub-cultural use of it.
Fucking dumbasses. And she's beautiful in both pics. But holy hell you have to be stupid to not know that the first one is wearing makeup. What next, someone shocked my lips aren't naturally dark red or black?
I don't think I've ever seen commentary like this offered up by a guy who actually stood even the slightest chance of actually having sex with whatever woman he's complaining about.
Jeremy looks like the sort of guy who thinks the waitress is coming on to him because she smiled and called him "hon."
That post is like some precision engineered engagement bait. There are multiple axes of conflict that ensnare people in the mood to argue or share their opinions.
I'm convinced these people don't actually like women. Sounds weird typing that out, but you'd have to be an absolute fool to not understand the context around make up in society and what attractive looks like.
Totally. Check out contouring. And, if there's a beauty school near you, they might have cheap make up appointments where you can watch what they use and how they do it while you get glammed up. They're students so they take their time, makes it easy to follow.
Friendly reminder that on X, the everything app with Super Grok, posts can be monetized. So it's all fabricated shit mixed with stupidity to maximize engagement.
The left hand image looks fake. Mainly because the ceiling has major water stains like she's in an abandoned building! But yeah, it's all about the money.
Is she not wearing makeup on both photos? The left is obvious because no one has a face like that, but on the right, that skin tone looks way too uniform to be anyone's natural skin.
Men can't tell the difference between actual no-makeup and a no-makeup-look. Ask my husband. We've been working on his ability to tell the difference. 😂
Next they’ll say that women wearing pads of any kind (bra, shoulder, whatever else), heels, and does anything to style their hair is sexual assault. Maybe wearing jewelry or dressing up in nice clothes counts too? Or deodorant, perfume, body lotions?
Ooooh. This is the “barefoot and pregnant” trope from back in the day, just made to look nicer (kinda like a “makeup” of sorts to appear different).
He has the tone of a guy trying to pull a political Uno-reverse gotcha... but I can't actually tell what the fuck he's trying to draw an allusion to?
Like, is this supposed to be an equivalent of "woman decides she doesn't want sex, persuing it anyway is sexual assault"? Is that supposed to be similar in any way? Is it supposed to be... something about Trans people? Somehow? I'm just not sure what he's even going for...
There was a thing a while ago about how men who lied about who they were to get laid, namely pick-up artists, were committing sexual assault. The manosphere responded with stuff like this, suggesting that women who wore make-up, spanx and padded bras were also committing assault.
I think I'm missing something here. What is he actually implying? I'm assuming it some dog whistle to a community I'm not a part of, so someone please enlighten?
Nah - I don't think it's any sort of dog whistle. It's more in the nature of sour grapes. It's an incel thing - they fantasize about proactively refusing to have sex with women who would never be willing to have sex with them in the first place
Probably transphobia since this is how men talk about trans women "tricking" them and not "disclosing". They're constantly worrying about beautiful women tricking them with their attractiveness 🙄
Yes, but also some of them are just mad that women sometimes wear makeup that heavily impacts appearance and isn't obvious to those who are both blind and oblivious.
In addition to the other answers this is probably the kind of guy who either commits sexual assault or fantasizes about committing sexual assault. Typical incel.
i'm trying to read what the tweet says but all i can see is "i have the driest, loneliest dick on the planet and i want to make it everyone else's problem." anyone else having this issue?
A lot of modern makeup styles are more about creating a dramatic visage than a youthful one. Youthful (teen) faces look more rounded than faces well into adulthood.
Makes sense. I know modern styles partly descend from drag, particularly the use of contouring. And yeah more angular looks can make one appear thinner, which seems to be part of the goal.
Tbh I really like that the trend of makeup has been moving from "look young" towards "look striking", and only partly because I personally prefer to wear a bold eye and dark lip combo
Really? I thought it was funny that on a comment about a guy objectifying a woman that a bunch of guys are somehow objectifying her further in an attempt to virtue signal how cool they are with a natural look.
Seems like your problem isn't objectifying women, it's men. Which is fine, but don't act like you're taking some morally superior position, you're just a basic misandrist.
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zeppo@lemmy.world · 108 pts · 15h
I prefer the look on the right… I don't really need women to look like a Star Trek character
Blibly@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 14h
99% of the time women look prettier without heavy makeup. That's just my opinion that nobody asked for though 🤷♀️
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 36 pts · 15h
Idk I'm on the fence
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 14h
Yeah, I was on board until he ruled out Marina Sirtis. Tsk tsk.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 14h
Exactly. Denice or Gates? Even Barbara and Gwyneth, with our without the makeup, if I were quite a bit older.
lurch@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 15h
lol, yeah, but it's a matter of taste.
btw how lucky is jeremy who has obviously never been assaulted and locks himself in his basement every halloween
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 14h
Jeremy also likely isn't a real person
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -6 pts · 14h
Neither is the woman depicted.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 14h
But if she’s willing to wear a Starfleet uniform…
kibblebits@quokk.au · 5 pts · 15h
Right? (meaning yes)
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 71 pts · 15h
Oh no! Shes beautiful naturally and yassed up!? The fucking horror! My steak, my steak is far too juicy. Oh this lobster! Waiter! Far too much butter!
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -22 pts · 14h
Lobster is trash food. Full stop.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 10h
No u
Thorman@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 10h
That's one of the craziest takes I have ever heard ngl. You should take that to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 52 pts · 15h
If you look at the left one and can't tell, that's on you ...
Also, I hate current makeup trends. Uncanny valley type of shit
DahGangalang@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 13h
As someone who doesn't keep up on make up trends, I'm not sure what you mean.
Can you point to any examples?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 12h
TBH I'm not super knowledgable about makeup, but the look on the left side, or something more or less like it, is pretty common in like celebrity spaces, porn etc., and it definitely wasn't quite like this 20 years ago. Maralago face is one variant, but the general style seems broader than that to me.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 8h
Did not know Maralago face was a thing, but I know exactly what you mean.
My (ultra-MAGA) father won't shut up about how "drop dead gorgeous" Melania Trump is....but when i look at her, she looks like she's made of plastic.
Not to necessarily knock the look; it must work for some people, and if that's how you prefer to look, don't let me shit on your day. That said, it's not for me and I'm glad my partner prefers a more au natural look.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 13h
The left picture is a pretty good example. I don't know any of the terminology but it seems to revolve around trying to make it look like they have maralago face. Just ends up looking unnatural to me.
Malica@lemmy.zip · 46 pts · 11h
As a victim of rape, I cannot put into words how insulting this is
Ghost_Mermaid@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 6h
Same😡
blunderworld@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 12h
This argument is stupid either way of course... But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 9h
Agreed in a 100 % non-objectifying way (as you are as well). Velma can go kick rocks.
velma@sh.itjust.works · -31 pts · 12h
"Don't worry, ladies! This incel finds you ugly, but I find you attractive!"
blunderworld@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 12h
I'm just expressing my opinion, but okay, sure.
velma@sh.itjust.works · -25 pts · 12h
You're expressing your opinion just like Jeremy is in the post.
blunderworld@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 12h
For a complete stranger, you seem to think you've got me all figured out. While we're throwing accusations around, you come across as really defensive and needlessly confrontational.
velma@sh.itjust.works · -23 pts · 11h
I'm responding to you doing the exact same thing as the man in the post.
blunderworld@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 11h
Am I though?
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 10h
Velma will post “Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” and “I’m lying in bed thinking about women” in the same thread. You’re not the problem right now.
Edit: Sorry, it was “Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603
velma@sh.itjust.works · -18 pts · 11h
You are. Jeremy is objectifying this woman and so are you. It's not about what is more attractive to men.
zeppo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 9h
Not really, since the entire point is that “Jeremy” calls it SA
TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6h
People like you do more harm than good for the cause you're fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 6h
If one person on the internet being a feminist killjoy is enough for you to disavow feminism, you were never supportive of it to begin with.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf · 38 pts · 14h
I'm so glad these losers use "female". I don't have to waste time taking them seriously.
Weirdfish@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 14h
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf · 26 pts · 14h
How is it not specific enough and what is this current environment?
Every time I hear someone refer to a woman as a female that person is invariably some kind of incel loser.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 12h
I know everyone's sick of me saying it but that dude is probably a low-key transphobe.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 12h
Most incels are. They hate women and trans women are women.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 12h
Bingo. Transphobia allows them to exert misogyny on an "acceptable" target while also policing femininity in a broader sense.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 12h
Could be. Answering the clarifying questions I asked might clear that up.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 13h
"woman" is the term you are looking for. Doesn't have to be any more specific than that unless you're a fucking doctor
SpartacusJones@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 13h
I'm so sorry for
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 10h
🤨
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 14h
They're not of the correctly gendering crowd, ergo their use of "female" is inherently derogatory. That's the point. It's not the word, per se, but the sub-cultural use of it.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 12h
The fuck are you talking about?
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 13h
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 13h
Fucking dumbasses. And she's beautiful in both pics. But holy hell you have to be stupid to not know that the first one is wearing makeup. What next, someone shocked my lips aren't naturally dark red or black?
WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 24 pts · 15h
I don't think I've ever seen commentary like this offered up by a guy who actually stood even the slightest chance of actually having sex with whatever woman he's complaining about.
Jeremy looks like the sort of guy who thinks the waitress is coming on to him because she smiled and called him "hon."
Zink@programming.dev · 24 pts · 9h
That post is like some precision engineered engagement bait. There are multiple axes of conflict that ensnare people in the mood to argue or share their opinions.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 10h
I'd be disappointed if I was expecting the woman on the right and the one on the left showed up, but not enough to call it sexual assault, that's wild
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 14h
No judgement, but she looks happier on the right.
Also my condolences to Jeremy's hand.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
The left is definitely posing though
heavy@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 11h
I'm convinced these people don't actually like women. Sounds weird typing that out, but you'd have to be an absolute fool to not understand the context around make up in society and what attractive looks like.
Redfox8@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 11h
Ragebait gobshites. What they say is irrelevant so long as they get attention (like and subscribe, everyone). It's all for money.
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 14h
women pretty 🥺
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 15h
It really reaches a new level of bullshit in this post when you find out that men wore make-up but it just went out of fashion.
I'd like to try out some make up styles that could enhance my masculine facial features, just to see what it looks like. Is that a thing?
Wren@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 15h
Totally. Check out contouring. And, if there's a beauty school near you, they might have cheap make up appointments where you can watch what they use and how they do it while you get glammed up. They're students so they take their time, makes it easy to follow.
Malica@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 11h
They still wear tons of makeup, especially right wing ones like this guy
blackjam_alex@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 12h
Friendly reminder that on X, the everything app with Super Grok, posts can be monetized. So it's all fabricated shit mixed with stupidity to maximize engagement.
Redfox8@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 11h
The left hand image looks fake. Mainly because the ceiling has major water stains like she's in an abandoned building! But yeah, it's all about the money.
howrar@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 7h
Is she not wearing makeup on both photos? The left is obvious because no one has a face like that, but on the right, that skin tone looks way too uniform to be anyone's natural skin.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7h
Men can't tell the difference between actual no-makeup and a no-makeup-look. Ask my husband. We've been working on his ability to tell the difference. 😂
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 9h
Idk why this dude has such a strong opinion like he's ever going to make sexual contact with a woman.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 14h
Next they’ll say that women wearing pads of any kind (bra, shoulder, whatever else), heels, and does anything to style their hair is sexual assault. Maybe wearing jewelry or dressing up in nice clothes counts too? Or deodorant, perfume, body lotions?
Ooooh. This is the “barefoot and pregnant” trope from back in the day, just made to look nicer (kinda like a “makeup” of sorts to appear different).
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 12h
He has the tone of a guy trying to pull a political Uno-reverse gotcha... but I can't actually tell what the fuck he's trying to draw an allusion to?
Like, is this supposed to be an equivalent of "woman decides she doesn't want sex, persuing it anyway is sexual assault"? Is that supposed to be similar in any way? Is it supposed to be... something about Trans people? Somehow? I'm just not sure what he's even going for...
Wren@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 12h
There was a thing a while ago about how men who lied about who they were to get laid, namely pick-up artists, were committing sexual assault. The manosphere responded with stuff like this, suggesting that women who wore make-up, spanx and padded bras were also committing assault.
pseudo@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 9h
TIL thanks.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
"Trans women refusing to disclose is sexual assault" is something these idiots obsess about and say so yeah probably.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 15h
These kinds of
poststweets (yes, there's a LOT) piss me off because the woman always looks better without makeupEdit: pre-amptively going to correct to "without" makeup, because i'm told you can never tell for sure
Wren@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 15h
I think the main point they usually miss is that women don't wear make-up to attract them, or anyone. Make-up is fun.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 14h
To you
And why should women care what you think when they're putting on makeup?
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 8 pts · 15h
I think I'm missing something here. What is he actually implying? I'm assuming it some dog whistle to a community I'm not a part of, so someone please enlighten?
WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 14h
Nah - I don't think it's any sort of dog whistle. It's more in the nature of sour grapes. It's an incel thing - they fantasize about proactively refusing to have sex with women who would never be willing to have sex with them in the first place
bashibazouk@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 14h
Dude definitely has the "never woke up next to a woman the morning after" kind of energy...
Blibly@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 14h
Probably transphobia since this is how men talk about trans women "tricking" them and not "disclosing". They're constantly worrying about beautiful women tricking them with their attractiveness 🙄
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13h
Yes, but also some of them are just mad that women sometimes wear makeup that heavily impacts appearance and isn't obvious to those who are both blind and oblivious.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13h
Guarantee there's A LOT of overlap there.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9h
True, I wouldn't know for sure as that type will harass me no matter what I do lol
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 12h
In addition to the other answers this is probably the kind of guy who either commits sexual assault or fantasizes about committing sexual assault. Typical incel.
Blibly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 14h
This is typical behaviour from incels.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 7h
You telling me I can date a shapeshifter that is beautiful in all versions? Don't threaten me with a good time!
anewfox@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 12h
i'm trying to read what the tweet says but all i can see is "i have the driest, loneliest dick on the planet and i want to make it everyone else's problem." anyone else having this issue?
redbrick@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15h
Not gonna lie...I'd take either one. Different type different vibe.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 10h
I can't imagine that this is controversial. The OP doesn't make any sense to me.
redbrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
Agreed...both are beautiful in how she wants to present herself.
reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 15h
Alright Jeremy
hOrni@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 14h
Why does she look older with the makeup? Shouldn't it work the other way around? She looks 30 something on the left and a teenager on the right.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 6 pts · 13h
Young women and girls use make-up to make themselves look older all the time.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
A lot of modern makeup styles are more about creating a dramatic visage than a youthful one. Youthful (teen) faces look more rounded than faces well into adulthood.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 13h
1920's makeup was the opposite. Every body was trying to be round.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8h
Makes sense. I know modern styles partly descend from drag, particularly the use of contouring. And yeah more angular looks can make one appear thinner, which seems to be part of the goal.
Tbh I really like that the trend of makeup has been moving from "look young" towards "look striking", and only partly because I personally prefer to wear a bold eye and dark lip combo
dephyre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4h
“If men find out we can shapeshift they are going to tell the church”
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
Huh?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 14h
This has to be satire, right? Right??
pentastarm@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 9h
Jeremy Stamper has never been seduced.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 14h
It's interesting when men use posts like this to announce what they personally find attractive in the comments. That's not the point.
Wren@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 12h
Really? I thought it was funny that on a comment about a guy objectifying a woman that a bunch of guys are somehow objectifying her further in an attempt to virtue signal how cool they are with a natural look.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 12h
"It's ok, ladies! Even if this incel doesn't find you hot, I still find you hot!"
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 8h
This you in the same thread?
“Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012
"Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.” https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603
Seems like your problem isn't objectifying women, it's men. Which is fine, but don't act like you're taking some morally superior position, you're just a basic misandrist.