leading ai company

i wish this was fake https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1958854561579638960 oh my fucking god

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Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world · 355 pts · 353d (12 replies)

Only such an idiot can think that pushing 2 updates a day is a good idea.

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 185 pts · 353d

I have some apps that havent been updated for like a year because the simply fucking work.

jonne@infosec.pub · 129 pts · 353d (5 replies)

Not to mention, the app is just the thing that calls the API to the server that runs the actual models, it's not a reflection on how quickly you're improving those models. In fact, there should be little reason to push a new app update once you've built it.

Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 40 pts · 353d

Unless your Ai creates the app. This may be a reflection of how bad Grok really is.

frog@feddit.uk · 31 pts · 353d (3 replies)

The reason is so Elon Musk can make his stupid chart implying that more production releases means better in someway.

jonne@infosec.pub · 31 pts · 353d (2 replies)

He's really done a great job at dispelling this image he had of being some kind of genius in the last couple of years.

anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 353d (1 reply)

He’s been doing that the whole time, he just finally got to an area more people online are experts in.

jonne@infosec.pub · 12 pts · 353d

Yeah, I personally noticed when there was this whole Thai cave saga, but I'm sure there were signs for decades before that.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 353d

Only such an idiot can think that pushing 2 updates a day is a good idea.

Lets be fair. He's a special kind of idiot.

blarghly@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 353d

Nah, its a great idea. Bug fix, and then hot fix for the new bug you just deployed!

Serinus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 353d

Maybe you just haven't had enough ketamine.

abfm90@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 352d

Let's change the font size.

papalonian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 353d

Not only a good idea, but indicative of positive growth.

Fandangalo@lemmy.world · 218 pts · 353d (6 replies)

This is such a joke to anyone in tech. It’s like a Silicone Valley skit.

makyo@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 353d (1 reply)

I know next to nothing about publishing an app and my alarm bells went off immediately

Fandangalo@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 353d

Here’s 2 faults:

  1. Most people push a build once a week, because making a stable build usually has an engineer combining people’s work, and sometimes there’s conflicts in the merge.
  2. If you have a lot of bugs, you may need to patch more frequently.

Either way, it’s a bad look. Doing stable daily pushes is good in development, not in a live environment like this.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 352d

I’m nowhere close to tech and this is obviously a bad sign. Imagine an apartment complex trying to get new tenants by advertising that they have plumbers and exterminators do work twice a day at various units.

ServantOfRa@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 352d

Silly Con Valley, amirite?

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Silicon*

farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 352d

no he was talking about the porn parody of the show

i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca · 138 pts · 353d

Yeah and my company has the best dev team because we resolve all the critical incidents we cause by shipping buggy code.

Some of these other loser companies don’t even have incidents!

gigachad@piefed.social · 123 pts · 353d (4 replies)

Merge Request 1472: Add comment

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 353d

They're making frivolous updates at a speed and scale Sam Altman can only dream of

jj4211@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 353d

Merge request 1473: Remove extraneous comment

Oh who are we kidding, they probably don't do merge requests, they just push to master.

xia@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 353d

Quick! Ship it now!

bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 353d

Two of the updates are “new outfits for Ani”.

umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 111 pts · 353d

Oh wow, Elon figured out how we'll finally get AGI. The key thing is to publish an automatic mobile client update every single hour of the day! That was the secret productivity metric that every single other company was missing. Thanks, big brain business boy!

CaptDust@sh.itjust.works · 107 pts · 353d

Lol equating your busted as fuck code that needs constant patching with growth. Gonna keep that around for my own metrics. Yeah boss this is the 9th hotfix to prod this week! Think where we'll be next month, things are going awesome!

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 90 pts · 353d (1 reply)

I can make bullshit graphs based on meaningless numbers too. 🤷‍♂️

Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 353d

Yeah but can you spew that nonsense at millions of people on your very own shitty platform? Gotta get on muskies level.

GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 88 pts · 352d (7 replies)

On the contrary, the rate of mobile app updates being high is more of a red flag of an app development team not having the situation under control, being forced to panic-ship fixes.

vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 352d (6 replies)

Why? I genuinely think that daily delivery in my field (b2b specialized software) would be a very good practice. Why in mobile apps it's not the truth?

GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 352d (1 reply)

It's a bit different with mass market mobile applications because of the supply chain constraints - most notably the Apple reviewing process. Your next app release may for whatever reason they feel like unexpectedly take an additional week, so do ensure that your QA is in order before releasing.

Another significant factor is the lack of control you have over the software once released - any bugs you ship may potentially be out there for a long, long time.

Web applications don't have these constraints and can as such be deployed an infinite amount of times per day. The same goes for backend services, deploy to your hearts content.

This basically means that most larger mobile applications have adopted approximately weekly release cadences, and that we've had to get very good at using feature flagging to control our software in the wild, and avoid large impact of shipped bugs.

vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 352d

Ahhh.. now that makes sense. Thank you, kind stranger!

Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 352d (3 replies)

Because the rate is more a sign of how often problems are found, rather than how many better new things you are applying.

SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 352d (2 replies)

And has nothing at all to do with the AI part of the app getting better.

Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 352d

Yes, that was my point.

Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 352d
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pyre@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 353d

does it count as an "update" every time elon fucks with it to push some fresh nazi shit?

what a meaningless measure. why don't i update this app one byte at a time? i can say it's massively outpacing the competition by updating 20 thousand times in the last 4 minutes while the competition updated ZERO times, which means we're literally INFINITELY faster and by the end of the year we will have released millions of new versions.

he's so monumentally stupid

bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 352d (4 replies)

"My codebase is way better because it has 300x as many lines of code" - that fucking moron, probably

Patches@ttrpg.network · 31 pts · 352d (3 replies)
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 352d (1 reply)

i wonder how someone can choose the 10 most salient lines of code ever written

manually summarizing 6 months of commits seems also a thrilling job

alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 352d

I submit the fast inverse square root. That code needs to be in a museum.

mere@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 352d

Elon Musk is a parody of himself

jellyfishhunter@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 353d (5 replies)

I have to admit though, getting two app updates per day through the Apple review process is an achievement. (He probably paid them.)

xtr0n@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 353d (3 replies)

Minor updates for bugfixes don’t require a real store review.

kautau@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 353d (2 replies)

Any update that hits the App Store and increments a version number goes through the Apple review process.

Certain updates can be done on the fly with custom or third party solutions like https://ionic.io/docs/appflow/deploy/intro

But this graph doesn’t make it clear if these updates are new binary app deployments or on the fly updates

xtr0n@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Yeah, I haven’t done it in like 8 months so I think I was conflating Code Push with App Store updates. I do think that apps get treated differently based on the priority of the company and there is some judgement used in the scope of changes. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if Grok is never subject to the random review delays just cuz no one wants to deal with Elon throwing a tantrum

kautau@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 352d

Yeah I'm the lead mobile engineer at my company. We release bigger updates once a month and smaller hotfixes generally weekly or biweekly. For smaller updates we get approval in around 6 hours. They also have a way to expedite reviews in which case we've gotten like 30 minute turnaround on reviews (though that’s like boy that cried wolf, only use it if you need to push something really urgent)

nathanjent@programming.dev · 4 pts · 353d

This was my thought, too. He's bleeding money that these other companies would rather hold onto.

random_character_a@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 353d (5 replies)

The man knows about production manufacturing more than anyone else in the world

/s

Saleh@feddit.org · 16 pts · 352d (2 replies)

Producing rockets faster than they can explode during launch!

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 352d

Cheaper to dispose of them in the upper atmosphere than in the ground

nis@feddit.dk · 7 pts · 352d

Outproducing the blastwave. Bold strategy 🤣

Laser@feddit.org · 4 pts · 352d (1 reply)

It's really not that hard!

vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 352d

His rocket is not that hard

bentcheesee@lemmy.zip · 47 pts · 352d (2 replies)

Incredibly misleading and/or stupid graphs are so funny to me. Because you ship out the most updates, doesn't mean it's the best, it means youre fixing and/or generating more bugs and issues.

Yeah, I updated my minecraft mod 20 times in a week, it doesn't mean it's a stellar mod, it's less than mediocre at best. It was primarily fixing bugs and a crash. Meanwhile the Create mod updates about once every three weeks or so on average, but that's because they properly playtest and bugfix and patch and do all that before they send out an actual update.

Nelots@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Two weeks is also such a random and unimpressive statistic.

Baizey@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 349d

It's generally the length of short sprints (blocks of time where some tasks have been estimated/committed for)

If you're deploying a new version more frequently than that it's usually either putting out fires & hot fixing, or someone fucked up the pipeline and now any commit will immediately be deployed straight to prod

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 45 pts · 353d

If I continue pissing at the rate I’m currently pissing I will have a reservoir of piss within weeks.

raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 353d

I knew the Apartheid shithead was dumb as fuck, but even "as fuck" isn't that dumb...

eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 353d

Turns out AI-written software needs lots of patches to keep up.

simplejack@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 353d

The Nextdoor app updates every two weeks. OpenAI should be worried.

9point6@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 353d (5 replies)

Aren't the front ends for these basically chat interfaces that mostly don't change?

What are they doing so much

gdog05@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 353d

Someone keeps fixing the CSS color coding of an input field border and someone else keeps copy/pasting the old version when they're doing basic edits.

xtr0n@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 353d (3 replies)

Because their boss is an idiot who will yell at them if they don’t.

If you pay by the update, devs will update their way to a nice payday .

zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · 10 pts · 353d

Update one character at a time, commented out till you're ready to make a real change.

Then do it again to fix all the shit you just broke

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 352d (1 reply)

pay by the update

Uh, how do you imagine that would work? Are you saying this is contract work?

xtr0n@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 352d

Nah. It’s most likely not that direct. If the boss makes it clear that they measure productivity by blindly adhering to some dumb metric (number of updates , kloc, number of bugfixes) then the devs will find a way to max out that stat, to get bonuses, promos, etc.

As much as the author has shown his ass, this is the classic comic that comes to mind https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/k5hka0/bug_free_programs_a_dilbert_classic/

Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 352d (4 replies)

Add a comment.
Commit.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 10 pts · 352d (1 reply)

"Look how productive I am!"

kablammy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 352d

"Changes in this release: general improvements"

bytesonbike@discuss.online · 6 pts · 352d

I've made over 40 edits to this comment.

Me: 40

You: 1

Pathetic.

Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 352d

This is why there are a bunch of improvished people adding nonsense updates to git repositories, padding out their resume out of desperation.

It's hard to blame them trying to climb their way out of poverty, but it does harm the people trying to do work.

mgnome@piefed.social · 32 pts · 353d (1 reply)
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jodanlime@midwest.social · 5 pts · 353d

Yes.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 353d (1 reply)

Since when does the update of the frontend equate to a better, more accurate, more efficient backend?

goldfndr@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 353d

To me, it suggests the opposite -- they keep breaking stuff or otherwise putting bugs into their client and Grok isn't very helpful with fixing them.

hperrin@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 353d

Why would you need to update the app? It should all run on their servers. This is indicative of poor and buggy app design.

yarr@feddit.nl · 31 pts · 352d

I think it's because grok ships the most bugs, so they have to ship the most patches.

pseudonaut@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 353d

jfc this guy is such a moron

LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 352d (1 reply)

I just assume anything he says is either a lie or hallucination

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 352d

I think Muskie is hallunicating. Lieing implies that he knows the truth. Muskie actually believes in his own fever dreams.

SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 353d (3 replies)

He knows exactly what he's saying and he knows his dumb followers will buy it...

The fact that most people only skim-read what they scroll through helps him as well. People won't even stop to process what they actually read. With this tweet he's basically selling his followers a feeling.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 352d (2 replies)

No, he really is that stupid and clueless. How do you still not see that?

ganryuu@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 352d (1 reply)

I'll be the first to admit that I fell for his (initially) near perfect PR that crafted the industry genius image he's still coasting on to this day. Of course that took a nosedive when he started calling a rescuer "pedo" for pointing out the stupidity of his rescue submarine idea. But it wasn't until he started talking about IT that I finally started to understand he wasn't an average CEO manipulating public opinion to his advantage, but an absolute moron who actually never had any idea of what he was talking about. Yes the dude is that stupid, but good PR is actually hard to completely take down.

JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 352d

Yeah, taking bolt cutters to a colo to forcibly remove half of Twitter's redundancy was a breaking the camel's back moment. He really thinks grandiose metaphorical displays like carrying a sink with him to a new job are more important than actually producing anything.

pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 353d (2 replies)

Git commit -m "comments and grammar"

jxk@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 352d (1 reply)

git commit -m "remove space at end of one line (more to come)"

davidagain@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 352d

git commit - m "put today's 'genius' far right nonsense in the prompt to counteract any bias towards factual accuracy that was previously there"

Lemminary@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 353d

It's evolving!

*pokemon evolution music*

Dumbfuck became... Dumbfuckwad!

Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 352d

iOS appstore app testers hate him!

MissJinx@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 353d

20+ updates of racist shit and fake news from facebook don't count

Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 353d (1 reply)
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SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 353d

Racisms per minute (RPM)?

db2@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 353d

Fuck he's so stupid

rhvg@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 353d (1 reply)

This is nothing new. Workers trying to fake productivity to fool the capitalists, no matter for what reason capitalists think they deserve.

SkyNTP@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 353d

No, this is the capitalist trying to convince customers (investors) that they have more capital than the other capitalists. Nothing about this has anything to do with workers.

REDACTED@infosec.pub · 14 pts · 352d

Having to do the most amount of bug fixes for the app (that does not run the AI itself) is not the flex you think it is

mp3@piefed.ca · 13 pts · 353d

It just has more vibe-coding bugs than the rest.

itkovian@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 352d

Now that's quality shitpost by Elon "Dumbass" Musk.

Chozo@fedia.io · 9 pts · 353d (1 reply)

The fact that your webwrapper frontend app, which could just as easily not exist and the core product will still work with 100% functionality, has up be updated so frequently is actually a bad thing, Elon. It means your developers can't code for shit. Probably because they're using Grok to code Grok.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 352d

Or it's because they have morons in product management

_AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 352d

wow its getting dumber faster than the other companies what an achievement

betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 353d

Some underling must've whipped up that graphic in a desperate attempt to find good news so E-lawn wouldn't feed him to the dogs. Worked a little too well and now the emperor is strutting around in all his exhibitionistic finery.

Kenny2999@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 353d

so called not see updates

hdnsmbt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 353d

If only the reddish bar is for "Number of iOS App Updates (Last 2 Weeks)", what are the other bars?

0ops@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 353d

melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 352d

Oh Elon. You lying sack of shit. Go sell your wares elsewhere.

trashboat@midwest.social · 6 pts · 353d

I can also rapidly publish bunk ass updates to my app to the App Store so that I can make a funny chart that impresses my shareholders

Like let me just add some random line breaks to my source and rebuild the app bundle. Look at that growth!

Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 352d (1 reply)
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DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 4 pts · 352d

Sure they are.

baskets18@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 353d (1 reply)

As a sanity check, is this the guy launching a crap-ton into space for the future of humanity?

outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 353d

Yes. It must be prevented at any cost, and he's prepared to pay that cost.

criss_cross@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 353d

All that’s missing is the linked in dweeb quoting this sayin “Elon is truly ahead in the AI Game!”

navi@lemmy.tespia.org · 5 pts · 353d

Elon just discovered CI/CD.

percent@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 352d

To me, that just looks like "move fast and break things" taken to an extreme level. Quantity ≠ quality. Honestly, I think it kinda makes the other companies look better, in terms of software quality.

(I'm going solely by the chart though; I have not installed any of these apps)

DmMacniel@feddit.org · 5 pts · 353d

Outpace toward what though? What is the goal?

If it's just about the need to lobotomise an AI that is trained on super unhinged data, then yeah I guess the Musk Rat is right, but it's also the only one in the race though.

outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 353d

I didn't think "ai"bros could get any fucking stupider.

Musk really does innovate. I think this might be the stupidest shit that i have ever read.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 352d

unlike the other AI companys, hes using GROK as a pure propaganda machine, the others were trying to profit from it, but is losing money instead.

wulrus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 352d

That statement would make a lot more sense with a benchmark graph based on standardised tasks.

Magnum@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 353d
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RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 353d

It's a turk, confirmed.

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 4 pts · 352d

This is kind of funny but sad, like when you see an animal accidentally kill itself.

BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 353d

None of this is about value. It's about an idiot selling to idiot stockholders. Wait, no, he doesn't sell twitter stock does he? The thing was he had controlling interest right?

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 352d

I thought Musk was in a ketamine hole when announcing lawsuit against Apple and OpenAI. Waking up briefly to add this legal argument is not proof of not still being in hole.

ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 353d

Who's going to tell him?

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 353d

Well, of course daddy's gonna brag about his kid

forrgott@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 353d

Do LLMs in fact evolve?

And is it ever in "spontaneous" fashion? In other words, in order to evolve, do they require human intervention?

isekaihero@ani.social · -7 pts · 352d

I want to chat with Ani but she's only available on iOS. Deal-breaker. I hate apple. If or when she is available on PC I might give X my money.