British food is still made either like the Luftwaffe is flying overhead or we are celebrating the fact that the war is over and we can cook with butter and oil again. There's nothing in-between.
Thanks to successive waves of immigration in the 20th century from India, Bangladesh, the Caribbean, Africa, China and others we actually have a pretty diverse and vibrant food culture.
Sadly a lot is still dominated by roast dinners and meat and two veg (one of those veg is always potato) but go to any major city and you'll likely find excellent quality restaurants from pretty much every culture on earth.
Sounds like you have had some shit roast dinners. A good roast dinner is amazing. I love all the foreign foods we have access to now as well, but our traditional cooking gets a lot of shit when really it's just bad cooks. Although we do also have stuff like jellied eels and mushy peas, so I'm not saying it's all good...
I lived in the UK for a long time. My experience there a was that a good roast dinner is quite nice, but difficult to find. And when you do find one, it's very expensive. This is something I found very odd. In most other countries, popular foods like this tend to be everywhere at a decent price.
And like you said, the variety of food available in the UK is great. I used to be able to find some pretty obscure ingredients for Asian/Mexican/whatever cuisine in any normal supermarket.
I went eating at an Italian restaurant in, I don't know, somewhere in the Highlands, and I haven't been aware that it was run by Scottish people, including the kitchen. Our trip had many highlights and was really cool all in all, but that food has to be the deepest trench we had to pass through.
Fuck grandma, my roast dinners are an event. Got my roastie game en point, my yorkies are crispy and all the trimmings are standard. Plus the gravy, not to brag, will make you jizz your pants its that good.
Totally unrelated, but you made me question if the phrase is supposed to be "en pointe" like ballet or "on point." after a little research, I'm guessing it's "on point" but it seems like the etymology could be from ballet potentially, but it sounds like it isn't likely. At the end of the day, it means exactly the same thing so it doesn't really matter. I do find it funny you used "en point" instead of "en pointe" though. Halfway between the two I guess. Lol.
Honestly, beef wellington isn't bad or anything but it's definitely overrated. Don't bother trying to make one, just find one at a restaurant and wonder what the fuss was about.
See, gravy is so easy - meat juice, stock, bit of balsamic - I think how can you fuck this up? Then you get gravy litteraly in any commercial setting, and... urgh...
Thanks to successive waves of immigration in the 20th century from India, Bangladesh, the Caribbean, Africa, China and others we actually have a pretty diverse and vibrant food culture.
OK, but the idea is that it's the indigenous food that represents the place in question. The Indian (subcontinent), Caribbean, African, Chinese, etc cuisines count as the food culture of those places, not british food culture.
Don't be like germans who are stupidly deluded enough to say "The döner was invented in germany" , when , no, it wasn't invented in germany, it was invented in the ottoman empire. Also, Hans isn't out back in the kebab shop busting his ass making that gigantic log of meat, it's Ahmet. If you want to argue that derived foods that are based on local ingredients are part of the food culture of that place, that's a more interesting debate that isn't cut and dry; no one is selling kapsolon made with gouda cheese in İstanbul, nor are they making Tacos al Pastor with pork and pineapples.
British food is good. Kinda simple, but good. Just not legendary. It's like a more mid version of itallian food; relies too much on fat and carbs and meat to feel delicious and satisfying, instead of advanced techniques or "just right" spice blends.
My point is that those immigrant communities have brought their food and their culture with them and they've created fusion dishes that have created a unique food culture, one that has itself been exported back abroad. Like I've said elsewhere, most of the dishes people associate with Indian food were actually created in Indian restaurants in Britain.
If only indigenous food counted, American cuisine is hominy and fry bread and Indian food is lentils.
Onto what, an Indian guy slightly changing the recipe for a curry leading the brits claiming that any curry served outside of india is based off the tikka masala? Get your own fucking cuisine to export you lazy gits.
No. The train was an indian invention, the reason countries except for britain and india have trains is because they are adapting to the mass transit ideas that are indian.
Quite why you felt the need to attempt to call out my edit is beyond me, since I didn't remove anything from the original, it's just clear that critical thinking is somewhat beyond you and so in thought I'd save you the difficulty of doing even 30 seconds of reading and gave you some examples.
I think the problem is that after the Second World War, Britain's economy was so shot to hell that folks had to keep eating like the Luftwaffe was still blitzing London. That kept going on long enough to introduce generational trauma into British cuisine.
They quite literally did, Britain and France nearly merged their economies it was so bad. While the London blitz is the most well known part of the bombing campaign it was actually the end of it, early on the Germans were specifically bombing factories and agricultural infrastructure like say granaries.
Reminder Great Britain itself isn't that big while still having a massive population, even while exploiting their colonies they were still massively hurting. Also converting their economy from a wartime one back to a civil one was slow as dick.
To me, another be part of it is that the British seem to have an awful penchant for giving delicious things names that sound like Victorian euphemisms for something awful. Spotted dick and toad in the hole sound like they would be ways for Victorians to talk about their STIs, and I'm unsure what exactly Gentleman's Relish would mean, but it strikes me as some sort of medieval form of punishment on the peasants.
Sounds like somebody never tried a warm plate of Scraggledy Numps, or a bowl of Thumps in a Bodice, or even a hot cup of Singeshammy Longerjohns in Tabbernickywammelty sauce.
So called because the toast in military kitchens were nicknamed shingles, as in roofing tiles. Evocative of bad cooking, which I'm betting was rampant.
Honestly, shit on a shingle (s.o.s. appropriately) is better than it sounds, even when not referred to under that name. But it's definitely a comfort food. It's not good for you, it's just creamy, beefy, and starch. Inoffensive, cheap, and easy to make in bulk. (Kinda want some now.)
British Food is awesome. It's not very colorful or ultra complex but it's the kinda food that warms the soul.
A good Sunday Roast with yorkshire pudding, lamb, roasted potatoes, peas, and gravy
Fish and Chips served with a good curry or mushy peas
Fresh warm scones with clotted cream and jam
A proper fry up with a cup of tea
Beef Wellington
Pie Mash
Meat pies
Bridies
Scotch Eggs
Minemeat Pies
Spotted Dick (Yeah yeah)
Treacle Tart
Banoffee Pie
There are few things that bring me more joy than popping into a Greggs on a cold rainy morning for an overheated cup of generic tea and a sausage roll.
My mom dated a Englishman when I was a kid and he made us "Yorkshire Pudding" that shit was excellent.
The best 'Fish and Chips" are made at this little seaside rstaurant in Oregon and made with Salmon. They must have ran out of chips because I got French Fries instead. Was still excellent though.
Best Fish n' Chips Ive had was at a small pub near the old harbor in Reyknavik, arguing with two brits about toy internet spaceships, where the fish was alive that morning.
Euro food is the best, even the simple things, its just better.
Euro food is the best, even the simple things, its just better.
I certainly wouldn't want to limit myself to "Euro" food exclusively. It's good, but so is Mexican, Argentinian, Indian, Chinese, Japanese etc. I love how diverse food culture is.
I mostly am refering to food quality, no matter the quisine. When ever I fly back to the US from abroad, it takes a few days for everything to stop tasting like plastic, or having something off about it.
When you fly back to the US from abroad it takes a few days for everything to stop tasting like plastic? So you like food that tastes of plastic? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Shepherd's Pie (with beef, though, I only like lamb in gyros, and only then when it's a blend with beef), minced meat pies, good chicken pot pie, and Yorkshire puddings are all great. Bangers and mash with the right sausage is great. Fish and Chips are generally great but the flavor and texture of the batter can vary significantly.
I had a homemade vegan shepard's pie at a coworker's house (she lived in the US, but from the UK) and it was one of the best dinners I've had in a long time.
It's not really that I like lamb in a gyro, it's that when it's a blend of beef and lamb I can't really taste the lamb. I just really don't like lamb meat. I'll take a fully beef gyro over a blended meat any day.
I once had a conversation with my boss who was well-travelled. He said the secret to Europe is to eat in the Catholic countries. If you must spend time within a Protestant country, look around for a Catholic enclave within it. Not only will the food be superior, but people will be falling over each other to make sure you are well fed.
I looked at him incredulously. How can you say that? It's such a sweeping generalization! And then I went to Europe…
I don't know.. my experience is that in Muslim communities they wont let you leave until your stomach explodes... then they offer you coffee and sweets to go with.
That's good to know! Actually, now that I think of it, my wife and I visited the one and only mosque in our home town during a public event in a show of solidarity after it got vandalized. And I have to say, it was an absolute food fest in there!
Yeah mass produced garbage is garbage, but there’s good food outside of that. 3-4 distinct bbq styles all great in their own right. Clam chowder in a sourdough bread bowl. NY pizza, Detroit Pizza, Chicago Pizza and hot beef sandwiches. Biscuits and gravy, fried chicken, fried okra. Blackened seafood, crawfish boils, jambalaya, beignets. Where I’m at, smoked fish, wild rice, and pasties.
I would add "Tex Mex" among the list of good American food, along with "Chinese Food".
By Chinese food of course I mean the food Chinese Americans and immigrants serve in the U.S. From what I understand it's not really authentic Chinese food, but I'll be damned if it isn't tasty. I think it counts.
Mostly a stereotype perpetuated by cheap or hastily found dining places.
When you get fish and chips from a good place that handles fresh catches, there is considerable flavour, yet buy from the fast food place in the middle of a high street and you'll get a soggy representation from the frozen cod.
Same situation with a good roast, or a cottage/shepherds pie, or pie and mash that isn't just a casserole with a hat, etc.
Honestly I've stepped foot in 39 US States so far, and it's a similar thing there. I just think the "British food bad" thing has stuck as humour, there's plenty of theories about it I won't get into but it's just a thing I suppose.
I think you've unintentionally reinforced how bad British food is.
In any other country, I don't need to go looking for gourmet chefs and fine dining luxury ingredients for the food to taste good. In most countries I've been to, I could step into a backstreet little "fast food" type restaurant and it still tastes good; whether that's in Italy, Spain, Thailand, Singapore, Croatia, Austria, America, India, etc etc.
A gourmet chef with the finest ingredients can make anything taste good. And that's what it takes to make British food taste good.
I find that hard to believe, since I would go to India sometimes twice per year when younger (for over a decade).
In 2005 we were told to be cautious of I think cabbage containing dishes, because it was making many people sick. It was also common for milk to be sold highly pasteurised and in blue bags within the city.
I've also had questionable and not good food from those little backstreet fast food places whether in Atlanta, Minnesota, Arkansas, and I even had a rather average Chinese dish from near Santa Monica (which I didn't rate well).
There's a good chance you were in the right area for good food, but that also exists here (example: Camden Town, which has been a 'Foodie' destination for a while now), or the plethora of food festivals all around London.
I apologise if I gave the impression that they're hard to find: they're really not.
Oh god, quesadillas for breakfast one day, baked beans the next, and ful another. Three different types of bread, and like at least four different types of beans. 😍
British food is a lot like the english countryside - lots of earth tones in the palate and everything sounds different (but after your third slice of hamlet you realize it's all basically the same)
I sometimes wonder after the unusually high number of “British people try X food for the first time and are blown away” videos.
Then I started watching Great British Bake-Off, and it’s clear there’s some damn good food somewhere over there. The number of times I’ve envied Sue Perkins her taste testing job is extreme.
I disagree about them being equivalent, they're completely different
They're the most popular low cost low effort home made bread based comfort food of each country. I'd say that's more than enough thematic similarity for them to be equivalent.
I had bangers and mash once because a family member made it. It was super good. She told me she couldn't get proper bangers and had to substitute with some other sausage. (Don't remember which) I presume that if she used proper bangers it would have been gross.
I honestly think British food is some of the most underrated in Europe. It is unfortunately a few years between each time I visit, but I am always blown away by the tea houses and pub food over there.
Of course there is a lot of bad fastfood over there, but pointing to that alone would be like judging Norwegian food by our frozen pizza.
I live in the UK. Tonight we had fresh haddock and chips, caught locally. Yesterday we had lamb curry, made with locally sourced lamb. Local produce is abundant, and high quality. How you cook it is up to you, but we also have some of the best chefs in the world.
Dans l'arène des imbéciles sans complexe méritant mépris, moqueries et mépris absolu, les Français trôneront toujours sur une tribune d'honneur. Cela est dû à leur provincialisme arrogant et absolu lorsqu'ils se proclament arbitres du goût. Leurs prétentions prétentieuses et élitistes à être la source des meilleurs délices épicuriens du monde ignorent toujours leur plagiat puéril des techniques, des saveurs et du talent artistique de leurs voisins européens, notamment italiens, et de leurs lieux de pillage asiatiques : les Indiens, les Chinois et les Japonais.
N'oubliez jamais de leur rappeler leur grossièreté inconsciente lorsqu'il est question de goût, d'art et de plaisir de vivre. Sinon, leur pompe étouffera tout.
Et surtout, faites-le en français. C'est le comble du bonheur que d'insulter les porcs français dans leur propre langue absurde ; c'est vraiment comme s'essuyer le derrière avec de la soie.
Ha, you've no idea what you're talking about, Amigo. North Sea fish from the waters of Shetland is amazing. Shetland lamb, Scottish Beef. Google it. I suspect it shits all over the drugged up fodder served in American cities :-)
Not gonna lie, the food in Spain is tremendous. And yes, historically our recipes have been bland (but with decent produce). Post WW2 staples were dreadful. But we're a fairly multicultural clubtry now, so Italian, Spanish, Japanese, Thai etc are all on the menu these days.
Stargazy pie (also starry-gazy pie, starry-gaze pie)[1] is a Cornish dish made of baked pilchards (sardines), along with eggs and potatoes, covered with a pastry crust. Although there are a few variations using other types of fish, the unique feature of stargazy pie is fish heads (and sometimes tails) protruding through the crust, so that they appear to be gazing to the stars.
I bet it's pretty good. If the fish are small enough they can usually be eaten whole and there's no strange taste from the head. In Japan there's a small smelt that gets grilled or fried and is intended to be eaten whole (often served with a bit of mayo).
Nah, British are kings of pastries, pies and cakes. Also don't underestimate British cheeses. Cheddar cheese is the most popular cheese in the world, and where was it made? Britain. Then there's stuff like Stilton, Wensleydale, and while Somerset Brie is really just a variant of Brie, it's still really nice.
That's not even digging into the various curries that gained their current forms in Britain, mainly by British Indians, who are just as British as any other.
I don't remember where I heard/read it first, but someone said that the British eat like they're still going through the blitz. I thought that was hilarious, and it seemed true.
Food in Scotland is great! I had great pies, roast pig, lamb, black pudding, haggis, cakes. It was all great. Hardly any veggies though, if you're into that kind of thing.
England, Britain, it's the same and of course the capital of Europe - France, OP. And the best English food? Curry. Says it all really. Scottish or Irish (yes, I know!) food is actually decent.
What I read is “US is big enough that if you search long enough you find good food”. Overall, a random US restaurant will be a fairly forgettable experience
184 Comments
Darkard@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 347d
British food is still made either like the Luftwaffe is flying overhead or we are celebrating the fact that the war is over and we can cook with butter and oil again. There's nothing in-between.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 347d
We'd hope y'all could come up with something better than deep-fried butter tho
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 347d
Uhh, what could possibly be better than deep fried butter?!?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d
Butter-glazed butter-filled butter-fried butter fritters
Denjin@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 347d
With a beurre-blanc sauce
skeezix@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d
Have you smoked a spotted dick?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 347d
Not since boarding school..
Denjin@feddit.uk · 65 pts · 347d
Thanks to successive waves of immigration in the 20th century from India, Bangladesh, the Caribbean, Africa, China and others we actually have a pretty diverse and vibrant food culture.
Sadly a lot is still dominated by roast dinners and meat and two veg (one of those veg is always potato) but go to any major city and you'll likely find excellent quality restaurants from pretty much every culture on earth.
PoopBuffet@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 347d
Sounds like you have had some shit roast dinners. A good roast dinner is amazing. I love all the foreign foods we have access to now as well, but our traditional cooking gets a lot of shit when really it's just bad cooks. Although we do also have stuff like jellied eels and mushy peas, so I'm not saying it's all good...
Denjin@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 347d
I love a roast, it's one of my favourite meals, but a shit roast is proper shit.
anytimesoon@piefed.social · 1 pts · 344d
I lived in the UK for a long time. My experience there a was that a good roast dinner is quite nice, but difficult to find. And when you do find one, it's very expensive. This is something I found very odd. In most other countries, popular foods like this tend to be everywhere at a decent price.
And like you said, the variety of food available in the UK is great. I used to be able to find some pretty obscure ingredients for Asian/Mexican/whatever cuisine in any normal supermarket.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 16 pts · 347d
I went eating at an Italian restaurant in, I don't know, somewhere in the Highlands, and I haven't been aware that it was run by Scottish people, including the kitchen. Our trip had many highlights and was really cool all in all, but that food has to be the deepest trench we had to pass through.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 347d
Careful! Facts will damage the worn-out, out-dated stereotype!
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d
Yes but those are restaurants, im assuming grandma is still serving up run over peas and boiled potatoes
Kushan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 347d
Fuck grandma, my roast dinners are an event. Got my roastie game en point, my yorkies are crispy and all the trimmings are standard. Plus the gravy, not to brag, will make you jizz your pants its that good.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 347d
Totally unrelated, but you made me question if the phrase is supposed to be "en pointe" like ballet or "on point." after a little research, I'm guessing it's "on point" but it seems like the etymology could be from ballet potentially, but it sounds like it isn't likely. At the end of the day, it means exactly the same thing so it doesn't really matter. I do find it funny you used "en point" instead of "en pointe" though. Halfway between the two I guess. Lol.
Kushan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 347d
Honestly, getting it wrong in either sense might be the most British thing I've ever done.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
One thing I’ve always wanted to try is a well made beef Wellington, looks tasty
Kushan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Honestly, beef wellington isn't bad or anything but it's definitely overrated. Don't bother trying to make one, just find one at a restaurant and wonder what the fuss was about.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 347d
Is just a fancy corn dog.
supamanc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
See, gravy is so easy - meat juice, stock, bit of balsamic - I think how can you fuck this up? Then you get gravy litteraly in any commercial setting, and... urgh...
CaptainForg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 347d
don't know if we can call that british food lol. That's African, Chinese, etc foods
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 5 pts · 346d
Many of those countries happened to be part of the British Empire. Technically, they were British.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 346d
OK, but the idea is that it's the indigenous food that represents the place in question. The Indian (subcontinent), Caribbean, African, Chinese, etc cuisines count as the food culture of those places, not british food culture.
Don't be like germans who are stupidly deluded enough to say "The döner was invented in germany" , when , no, it wasn't invented in germany, it was invented in the ottoman empire. Also, Hans isn't out back in the kebab shop busting his ass making that gigantic log of meat, it's Ahmet. If you want to argue that derived foods that are based on local ingredients are part of the food culture of that place, that's a more interesting debate that isn't cut and dry; no one is selling kapsolon made with gouda cheese in İstanbul, nor are they making Tacos al Pastor with pork and pineapples.
British food is good. Kinda simple, but good. Just not legendary. It's like a more mid version of itallian food; relies too much on fat and carbs and meat to feel delicious and satisfying, instead of advanced techniques or "just right" spice blends.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 346d
My point is that those immigrant communities have brought their food and their culture with them and they've created fusion dishes that have created a unique food culture, one that has itself been exported back abroad. Like I've said elsewhere, most of the dishes people associate with Indian food were actually created in Indian restaurants in Britain.
If only indigenous food counted, American cuisine is hominy and fry bread and Indian food is lentils.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 346d
the absolute arrogance of this statement. Disgusting.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 346d
Lol, do some research. Tikka Masala, Balti, Korma, Butter Chicken, poppadoms, chutneys, all invented in British Indian restaurants.
I make no personal claim to any of them so how can it be arrogant at all.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 346d
Onto what, an Indian guy slightly changing the recipe for a curry leading the brits claiming that any curry served outside of india is based off the tikka masala? Get your own fucking cuisine to export you lazy gits.
EDIT: Here's his original bullshit :
Denjin@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 346d
If you're not prepared to actually have a civil conversation, kindly fuck off you idiot.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 346d
No. The train was an indian invention, the reason countries except for britain and india have trains is because they are adapting to the mass transit ideas that are indian.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 345d
Quite why you felt the need to attempt to call out my edit is beyond me, since I didn't remove anything from the original, it's just clear that critical thinking is somewhat beyond you and so in thought I'd save you the difficulty of doing even 30 seconds of reading and gave you some examples.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
shouldn't you be off taking credit for something you didn't do?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 347d
I think the problem is that after the Second World War, Britain's economy was so shot to hell that folks had to keep eating like the Luftwaffe was still blitzing London. That kept going on long enough to introduce generational trauma into British cuisine.
cattywampas@midwest.social · 22 pts · 347d
Rationing in the UK went on until 1954, nine years after the war ended.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -9 pts · 347d
Why, though? I mean it's not like Britain had to rebuild anything right?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 347d
They quite literally did, Britain and France nearly merged their economies it was so bad. While the London blitz is the most well known part of the bombing campaign it was actually the end of it, early on the Germans were specifically bombing factories and agricultural infrastructure like say granaries.
Reminder Great Britain itself isn't that big while still having a massive population, even while exploiting their colonies they were still massively hurting. Also converting their economy from a wartime one back to a civil one was slow as dick.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 8 pts · 347d
Makes sense.
Skua@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 347d
We only finished repaying our WWII loans from the US and Canada in 2006
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 346d
About 65,000 tonnes of munitions were dumped on Britain during WW2 by the Luftwaffe - they did more than break a few windows with all that.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 21 pts · 347d
To me, another be part of it is that the British seem to have an awful penchant for giving delicious things names that sound like Victorian euphemisms for something awful. Spotted dick and toad in the hole sound like they would be ways for Victorians to talk about their STIs, and I'm unsure what exactly Gentleman's Relish would mean, but it strikes me as some sort of medieval form of punishment on the peasants.
Wolf@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 346d
My mom made these all the time when I was growing up, but she called them "Egg in a basket" 🥚 🧺. Sounds a lot nicer than "Toad in the hole". 🐸 🕳️
I had grown up calling it that it would probably seem normal to me though.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 347d
That's how traditions are born.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 346d
To be more precise, they had to keep eating like the Kriegsmarine's U-bootwaffe was still sinking the ships with the food.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 346d
Sounds like somebody never tried a warm plate of Scraggledy Numps, or a bowl of Thumps in a Bodice, or even a hot cup of Singeshammy Longerjohns in Tabbernickywammelty sauce.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 346d
I genuinely believe these are actual names of actual british foods.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 346d
Go back far enough, and you uncover dishes with wonderful names like Farts of Portingale.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 346d
well america has shit on a shingle
Poik@pawb.social · 2 pts · 346d
So called because the toast in military kitchens were nicknamed shingles, as in roofing tiles. Evocative of bad cooking, which I'm betting was rampant.
Honestly, shit on a shingle (s.o.s. appropriately) is better than it sounds, even when not referred to under that name. But it's definitely a comfort food. It's not good for you, it's just creamy, beefy, and starch. Inoffensive, cheap, and easy to make in bulk. (Kinda want some now.)
madjo@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 346d
I had a hot cup of Singeshammy Longerjohns in Tabbernickywammelty sauce once.
Never again! I prefer mine cold.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 346d
Ever tried some bubble and squeak?
EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de · 27 pts · 346d
British Food is awesome. It's not very colorful or ultra complex but it's the kinda food that warms the soul.
There are few things that bring me more joy than popping into a Greggs on a cold rainy morning for an overheated cup of generic tea and a sausage roll.
jpeps@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 346d
Some other great British dishes:
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 346d
Love Shepherd's Pie
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 345d
lobut@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 344d
🙄
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
Every one of these are top dishes
Wolf@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 346d
My mom dated a Englishman when I was a kid and he made us "Yorkshire Pudding" that shit was excellent.
The best 'Fish and Chips" are made at this little seaside rstaurant in Oregon and made with Salmon. They must have ran out of chips because I got French Fries instead. Was still excellent though.
Ba dum tiss!
Bahnd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
Best Fish n' Chips Ive had was at a small pub near the old harbor in Reyknavik, arguing with two brits about toy internet spaceships, where the fish was alive that morning.
Euro food is the best, even the simple things, its just better.
Wolf@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 346d
I certainly wouldn't want to limit myself to "Euro" food exclusively. It's good, but so is Mexican, Argentinian, Indian, Chinese, Japanese etc. I love how diverse food culture is.
Bahnd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
I mostly am refering to food quality, no matter the quisine. When ever I fly back to the US from abroad, it takes a few days for everything to stop tasting like plastic, or having something off about it.
Its quite sad...
Wolf@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 345d
When you fly back to the US from abroad it takes a few days for everything to stop tasting like plastic? So you like food that tastes of plastic? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 346d
Those sound good to have now and then, but not every day
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 346d
Just so none of us have to do a web search. What is spotted dick and why is it called that?
DocDish@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 346d
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_dick
It's a steamed suet pudding made with raisins or sultanas which make it look spotty.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 346d
Really not beating the allegations with that one.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 346d
"Dick" is an archaic way of writing dough. It can also be called spotted dog
EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 346d
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
Dick refers to pudding.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 346d
Still? Greggs is a rip off now and there are far too many of them. 16 in the damn centre of Manchester.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 347d
Shepherd's Pie (with beef, though, I only like lamb in gyros, and only then when it's a blend with beef), minced meat pies, good chicken pot pie, and Yorkshire puddings are all great. Bangers and mash with the right sausage is great. Fish and Chips are generally great but the flavor and texture of the batter can vary significantly.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 347d
(trivia: a Shepard's pie with beef is technically called a "cottage" pie!)
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
Good to know!
tunetardis@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 346d
Yeah, I know what true shepherd's pie is made of thanks to Denis Leary.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 347d
If you like Yorkshire pudding, try toad in the hole.
Schal330@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 347d
I made bangers and mash this evening, and put it into a large Yorkshire pud.
I don't know if it would be named differently.
addie@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 347d
That is a thing of beauty. Bring the gravy boat to the table so that you can top it up to the brim, heaven.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
Yorkshire pudding is fine, but Pomeranian pudding is really superior.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Looked it up, I am intrigued.
TipRing@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
I had a homemade vegan shepard's pie at a coworker's house (she lived in the US, but from the UK) and it was one of the best dinners I've had in a long time.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 346d
If you ever make one, a good way to get the lentils or tvp tasting beefy is mixing some marmite and tamari sauce into it.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 346d
Gyros like kebabs right? That's where I normally prefer lamb too tbh.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 346d
no, I mean Greek gyros, in pita bread.
https://thebubblychef.com/kebab-vs-shawarma-vs-gyro/
Though perhaps you meant the Turkish doner kebabs
https://foodsguy.com/doner-vs-gyro/
It's not really that I like lamb in a gyro, it's that when it's a blend of beef and lamb I can't really taste the lamb. I just really don't like lamb meat. I'll take a fully beef gyro over a blended meat any day.
tunetardis@piefed.ca · 25 pts · 346d
I once had a conversation with my boss who was well-travelled. He said the secret to Europe is to eat in the Catholic countries. If you must spend time within a Protestant country, look around for a Catholic enclave within it. Not only will the food be superior, but people will be falling over each other to make sure you are well fed.
I looked at him incredulously. How can you say that? It's such a sweeping generalization! And then I went to Europe…
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 346d
I don't know.. my experience is that in Muslim communities they wont let you leave until your stomach explodes... then they offer you coffee and sweets to go with.
tunetardis@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 346d
That's good to know! Actually, now that I think of it, my wife and I visited the one and only mosque in our home town during a public event in a show of solidarity after it got vandalized. And I have to say, it was an absolute food fest in there!
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 347d
Chicken Tikka Masala. Nuff said.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 347d
British-Asians truly improved British cuisine. Tikka Masala is next level!
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 346d
Nah, too much cream. Here in Australia it’s like every curry is masala, even if it traditionally wouldn’t be.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 347d
Ewww.
Tastes vary. But gimme a toad in the hole, or many other Brit dishes and I'm there.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 347d
I'll take both, though maybe not at the same time
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 347d
You can absolutely eat Chicken Tikka Masala out of a Giant Yorkshire Pudding.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 346d
With rice? In this case i think not.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 346d
The Yorkshire Pudding is taking on the role of the naan bread, therefore it's even compatible with a portion of rice.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 347d
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 23 pts · 346d
It’s ok, we all think American food is shit too.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
why
CelloMike@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 346d
Their bread is sweet, their chocolate tastes like vomit, and everything has high fructose corn syrup in it
On the other hand, real Texas bbq is amazing
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 8 pts · 346d
Yeah mass produced garbage is garbage, but there’s good food outside of that. 3-4 distinct bbq styles all great in their own right. Clam chowder in a sourdough bread bowl. NY pizza, Detroit Pizza, Chicago Pizza and hot beef sandwiches. Biscuits and gravy, fried chicken, fried okra. Blackened seafood, crawfish boils, jambalaya, beignets. Where I’m at, smoked fish, wild rice, and pasties.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 346d
Are you saying that the popular outside image of the cuisine might be inaccurate then?
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 2 pts · 346d
Yes. If you avoid the mass marketed junk food and chain restaurants, you can find some delicious and unique cuisine almost anywhere.
Wolf@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 346d
I would add "Tex Mex" among the list of good American food, along with "Chinese Food".
By Chinese food of course I mean the food Chinese Americans and immigrants serve in the U.S. From what I understand it's not really authentic Chinese food, but I'll be damned if it isn't tasty. I think it counts.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 346d
Yeah, it's a shame how we've exported all of the worst of American cuisine. There is so much good shit
gedhrel@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 347d
I can confirm that no "Brit" uses a semicolon like that. We're not barbarians.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 346d
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
I'm not a Brit (not even a native speaker), but it bothers me too.
sunbunman@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 346d
Say what you will about British food, but a full English breakfast is the best thing after night out drinking.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 346d
So every morning then
Wolf@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 346d
We have something similar in the US, but we leave out the beans because we are not savages.
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
Your opinion is WRONG.
Wolf@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 345d
Ok, you are right. We are savages. We still leave out the beans though which I appreciate.
FrostbittenDuck@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 346d
The taste of their food and beauty of their women made the British the greatest sailors on Earth.
JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 347d
Mostly a stereotype perpetuated by cheap or hastily found dining places.
When you get fish and chips from a good place that handles fresh catches, there is considerable flavour, yet buy from the fast food place in the middle of a high street and you'll get a soggy representation from the frozen cod.
Same situation with a good roast, or a cottage/shepherds pie, or pie and mash that isn't just a casserole with a hat, etc.
Honestly I've stepped foot in 39 US States so far, and it's a similar thing there. I just think the "British food bad" thing has stuck as humour, there's plenty of theories about it I won't get into but it's just a thing I suppose.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 17 pts · 347d
I think you've unintentionally reinforced how bad British food is.
In any other country, I don't need to go looking for gourmet chefs and fine dining luxury ingredients for the food to taste good. In most countries I've been to, I could step into a backstreet little "fast food" type restaurant and it still tastes good; whether that's in Italy, Spain, Thailand, Singapore, Croatia, Austria, America, India, etc etc.
A gourmet chef with the finest ingredients can make anything taste good. And that's what it takes to make British food taste good.
pigup@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 347d
🤯
JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 347d
I find that hard to believe, since I would go to India sometimes twice per year when younger (for over a decade).
In 2005 we were told to be cautious of I think cabbage containing dishes, because it was making many people sick. It was also common for milk to be sold highly pasteurised and in blue bags within the city.
I've also had questionable and not good food from those little backstreet fast food places whether in Atlanta, Minnesota, Arkansas, and I even had a rather average Chinese dish from near Santa Monica (which I didn't rate well).
There's a good chance you were in the right area for good food, but that also exists here (example: Camden Town, which has been a 'Foodie' destination for a while now), or the plethora of food festivals all around London.
I apologise if I gave the impression that they're hard to find: they're really not.
Corn@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 346d
I think safety is orthogonal to how good the average food in an area is.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 346d
We got bread. We got cheese. We got beans.
What more do you want?
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 346d
Flavor
wabafee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 346d
Salt?
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 346d
Now that's a pro'a bri'ish flavor
MarkalAlvarez@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 346d
Sausages ?
a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 346d
Ah yes a banger in the mouth.
rmuk@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 345d
ANUSTART
razorcandy@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 346d
paequ2@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 346d
Beans for breakfast is also in Mexican food. So not weird to me.
jukmehrk@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 345d
Oh god, quesadillas for breakfast one day, baked beans the next, and ful another. Three different types of bread, and like at least four different types of beans. 😍
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 3 pts · 346d
As an American, I ate a sushirrito and a pizza sandwich.
Beans for breakfast upsets you, you haven't lived.
seggturkasz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
Ate a what?
Oh no... no no no no no! This cannot be real
West_of_West@piefed.social · 11 pts · 347d
Dunno man I just roasted a couple sausages, yorkies, sauted mushrooms, butter peas, and gravy. It's pretty damn good.
Zron@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 346d
My man is so desperate for flavor he’s eating the neighbor’s dog. Blink twice if you need help.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d
British food is a lot like the english countryside - lots of earth tones in the palate and everything sounds different (but after your third slice of hamlet you realize it's all basically the same)
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 347d
Aww, hamlet AGAIN?! I thought we could have village tonight.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 347d
No more lip from you or it's docks tomorrow!
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 347d
But... Does
someoneeveryone have to die after dinner?binarytobis@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d
I sometimes wonder after the unusually high number of “British people try X food for the first time and are blown away” videos.
Then I started watching Great British Bake-Off, and it’s clear there’s some damn good food somewhere over there. The number of times I’ve envied Sue Perkins her taste testing job is extreme.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 7 pts · 347d
Here's a good read about it: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/aug/05/how-did-british-pub-food-get-so-grim-gastropubs
TLDR: it got better in 2000s but then it went down again because of raising costs.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 346d
Fish and chip is awesome wdym
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 347d
If nothing else, a Full English is the best breakfast there is, so there's that.
Also, beans on toast is clearly superior to the American equivalent PB&J, and if you disagree, you're just wrong 🤷
Valmond@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Then you haven't had Kalles Kaviar on hard cheese & soft bread&butter for breakfast. The real viking breakfast 😋 (swedish).
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 347d
I disagree about them being equivalent, they're completely different? But I have no strong feelings about which is better.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 347d
They're the most popular low cost low effort home made bread based comfort food of each country. I'd say that's more than enough thematic similarity for them to be equivalent.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 347d
Ah yes I can see where you're coming from, for me they are automatically classified as very different because one is sweet and one is savoury...
I deserve the meme though, well played.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 346d
I had bangers and mash once because a family member made it. It was super good. She told me she couldn't get proper bangers and had to substitute with some other sausage. (Don't remember which) I presume that if she used proper bangers it would have been gross.
originaltnavn@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 346d
I honestly think British food is some of the most underrated in Europe. It is unfortunately a few years between each time I visit, but I am always blown away by the tea houses and pub food over there. Of course there is a lot of bad fastfood over there, but pointing to that alone would be like judging Norwegian food by our frozen pizza.
pigup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 346d
Guide to make good food: https://www.youtube.com/@HowToBasic/videos
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Yeahigotskills2@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 346d
I live in the UK. Tonight we had fresh haddock and chips, caught locally. Yesterday we had lamb curry, made with locally sourced lamb. Local produce is abundant, and high quality. How you cook it is up to you, but we also have some of the best chefs in the world.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 346d
French sounds of incredulity
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 346d
The Quebecois
a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
Nice. It’s cool that curry has become a national English food. And well-made fish and chips is hard to top.
elbiter@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 346d
Yeah, the produce is high quality... for your British standards.
Yeahigotskills2@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 345d
Ha, you've no idea what you're talking about, Amigo. North Sea fish from the waters of Shetland is amazing. Shetland lamb, Scottish Beef. Google it. I suspect it shits all over the drugged up fodder served in American cities :-)
elbiter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
I'm not American, man. I'm from a place with actual excellent food.
I'm also just trolling 😁
Paradise is a place with Spanish food and British music.
Hell is a place with Spanish music and British food.
Yeahigotskills2@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 345d
Not gonna lie, the food in Spain is tremendous. And yes, historically our recipes have been bland (but with decent produce). Post WW2 staples were dreadful. But we're a fairly multicultural clubtry now, so Italian, Spanish, Japanese, Thai etc are all on the menu these days.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
Stargazy pie is pretty good.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 347d
Oh good lord. I looked it up:
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
😆
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 347d
I bet it's pretty good. If the fish are small enough they can usually be eaten whole and there's no strange taste from the head. In Japan there's a small smelt that gets grilled or fried and is intended to be eaten whole (often served with a bit of mayo).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shishamo
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 346d
See also, whitebait...
RedFrank24@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 345d
Nah, British are kings of pastries, pies and cakes. Also don't underestimate British cheeses. Cheddar cheese is the most popular cheese in the world, and where was it made? Britain. Then there's stuff like Stilton, Wensleydale, and while Somerset Brie is really just a variant of Brie, it's still really nice.
That's not even digging into the various curries that gained their current forms in Britain, mainly by British Indians, who are just as British as any other.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 345d
Fat Americans out here standing in the world's largest glass house hurling rocks with gay adandon.
Una@europe.pub · 3 pts · 347d
Not British, but as someone who eats, food is food :3
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 346d
I don't remember where I heard/read it first, but someone said that the British eat like they're still going through the blitz. I thought that was hilarious, and it seemed true.
Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 347d
The deep fried Mars bar is the pinnacle of cuisine tyvm
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 346d
That's Scottish
Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 346d
Believe it or not Scotland is located on the island of Great Britain and is often referred to along other nations of the UK as "British"
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
I donno. I've had spotted dick. It's actually good.
Flipper@feddit.org · 2 pts · 346d
The food, the weather and the women made Britain a seafaring nation.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
Curry is great and I feel that's British now
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 346d
Fun fact: Britain took curry to Japan and they developed it into katsu.
obelix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 345d
That semi-colon made me wretch.
remon@ani.social · 4 pts · 345d
Much like your colon after having British food.
rmuk@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 345d
It's weird because a comma or colon would have been fine, but a semicolon just feels wrong.
steeznson@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 345d
Technically a lot of the classic curries are british food
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 345d
I have been to London a few times. The best food in London is Indian or Turkish food. English food is trashy.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Going out to eat is eating some other ethic or nationality’s food.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 346d
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 344d
Food in Scotland is great! I had great pies, roast pig, lamb, black pudding, haggis, cakes. It was all great. Hardly any veggies though, if you're into that kind of thing.
possessedfaxmachine666@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
England, Britain, it's the same and of course the capital of Europe - France, OP. And the best English food? Curry. Says it all really. Scottish or Irish (yes, I know!) food is actually decent.
hOrni@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 347d
Depends on who's asking. If an American... They shouldn't even ask. For them "bad food" is just "food".
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website · 9 pts · 347d
Oh please. The US has many problems, and there are food deserts to be sure --- but go to a first class US city and you'll find great food.
cattywampas@midwest.social · 6 pts · 347d
Don't even need to go to a big city. There's a ton of awesome regional food all across the US.
MelonYellow@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 347d
Stovetop@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 347d
hOrni@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
Contrary to England?
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website · 0 pts · 347d
Never said that at all. I've had some fantastic food in England.
Eq0@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 347d
What I read is “US is big enough that if you search long enough you find good food”. Overall, a random US restaurant will be a fairly forgettable experience
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
Yeah! Booo America!
Corn@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 346d
L take. It might be poison, but the average food is definitely better than average Euro food north of Italy.
We have nothing on Mexico/SA or any Asian countries tho.