this is so obviously false it's enfuriating coming from the head of HHS. Lots of coutnries all over the world have the same violent video games we do without the mass shootings.
âSwitzerland has a comparable number of guns as we do, and the last mass shooting they had was 23 years ago,â said Kennedy, 71. âWe have a mass shooting every 23 hours.â
âThere are many things that happened in the 1990âs that could explain these,â he added. âOne is the dependence on psychiatric drugs... there could be connections with video games and social media.â
okaaaaaaay... follow that train of thought just a liiiiiitle bit further bobby. Do you think Switzerland is stuck in the 80s or something?
The best way for the Right to defeat the Left in an argument is to unload a torrent of lies, half truths, complete nonsense, and other disinformation. The idea is to overwhelm the other side's ability to form a coherent response, because there's too much to unpack.
Trump knows Kennedy is an idiot, but he's a useful idiot in that he forces the Left to deal with him.
Who the fuck is downvoting this comment? Genuinely why? Is this some pro-trump instance or something? Like wtf I donât understand what I said wrongâŚ
Trump listens to Fox News on the daily. He takes advice and opinions from Fox News. Fox News influences his stances and direction.
In this way, Fox News is even more powerful than Trump himself. Because Fox News influences like half the country, but also influences Trumps future actions.
So it's not that Fox News covers the news. The issue is that Fox News creates news.
the comment wasn't about fox news specifically, it was about news in general. like it or not, we need news agencies to cover what these people are doing.
Same reason any other politician is on the news. Because unfortunately they dictate our collective plight as Americans. And really outside the US as well.
You mean the same dumbass that blames an ingredient that hasn't been in vaccines in over 20 years for Autism, an ingredient that has never been shown to cause autism in the first place? Does anyone actually take this jackass seriously?
I played a lot of Pac-Man and now I'm munching for pills in dark rooms while listening to repetitive music. It's true, I love techno parties. Joke, I barily ever played Pac-Man.
I also played a lot of age of empires. Now I annoy everyone with "whololoooo" all the time. Joke, no I don't.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Whololooooo
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It probably has nothing to do with widely available guns.
Here in NL we don't have that, but we do have loads of mass shootings. Oh wait, no we don't. But we don't have violent video games. Oh wait, yes we do.
Hear me out...James Tiberius Kirk was supposed to be a descendant of Charles Aswipe Kirk. Slowly these photos will fade away and be replaced by photos of Christopher Pike.
It's straight disinformation. Nevermind that everyone else plays the same games, let's cherry pick the one western nation that has a comparable number of guns per capita and not think about that any further.
If we look at "intentional homicide rate" (choice of weapon agnostic), the US is 66th and just above Greenland. I think this statistic is better than "gun deaths" since it excludes suicides and accidental deaths and looks at intentional murder.
The number is way higher than it should be, but probably way better than most assume given the news.
also Greenland isn't a very reliable comparison statistically since their grand total of intentional murders in 2024 was 3. Canada is ranked 111 with a rate less than half of US. UK is ranked 142 with a rate less than a quarter of the US.
Because those are separate problems with separate solutions.
If people use guns to kill themselves, will they stop killing themselves if we take the guns away? Maybe some will, if the alternatives take so much more time, but the impact won't be massive. Instead of making suicide harder, we should be treating the root cause of suicide, which is desperation (i.e. have a decent social safety net) and depression (make mental health resources widely available).
If people get hurt due to gun accidents, I highly doubt they'd be happy if we took their guns away, since that's like solving traffic deaths by banning cars. The better solution is to improve safety features on guns and teach people gun safety so they can use them safely, or in the car example, we should be improving road design and driving education (and making cars less necessary, but that's a separate point).
Suicides and gun accidents are certainly interesting statistics, but mixing them with homicides just makes it harder to see what's going on and arrive at effective solutions.
If people use guns to kill themselves, will they stop killing themselves if we take the guns away? Maybe some will, if the alternatives take so much more time, but the impact won't be massive.
Generally yes, Suicide tends to be a spur of the moment decision to go through with it and having immediate access to a very easy, very lethal method increases the rate significantly. There have been numerous studies that show that putting up barriers at bridges etc that are commonly jumped from dreastically reduces the suicide rate from them without raising it elsewhere e.g.
Sure, and sensible things like barriers at bridges makes a ton of sense because doing that doesn't negatively impact anyone and merely gives people more time to rethink their choice.
That said, even with those safeguards, tons of people kill themselves. I had a friend do it by hanging, others use drugs, and some use cops.
If we look at statistics, the US has 15.6 suicides per 100k, compared to 18.4 in Belgium, 12.9 in Germany, and 16.6 in France (not trying to cherry pick here, please look up the stats yourself). Each of those countries has (largely) banned guns, yet the US's numbers aren't all that different, so surely guns aren't a major contributor here.
What we need is to address the core issues here, such as access to mental health resources, more social interaction, etc. Banning guns isn't going to meaningfully impact suicide, it'll just shift the statistics to other methods and maybe delay it a bit. People like easy solutions, and treating the symptoms is very attractive, but it's not a real solution.
Instead of making suicide harder, we should be treating the root cause of suicide
Or⌠both?
If people get hurt due to gun accidents, I highly doubt they'd be happy if we took their guns away, since that's like solving traffic deaths by banning cars.
itâs not even remotely the same thing since carsâ primary purpose is not killing. Also there's a very wide middle ground of options between "do nothing" and "take all guns away". This is not a binarry issue.
Suicides and gun accidents are certainly interesting statistics, but mixing them with homicides just makes it harder to see what's going on and arrive at effective solutions.
it doesnât really. what does make it harder to arrive at effective solutions is making any excuse possible to avoid gun control.
When it comes to suicide prevention, the most effective solution I've seen presented and implemented are red flag laws, yet suicide and mass shooting rates don't seem particularly impacted by that. It turns out people are really bad at taking advantage of those laws, and there's always the risk that innocent people get hit as well.
We already have laws in place in most (all?) of the country that, if actually followed, would prevent a lot of these cases (not suicide, but access to guns). You already can't own guns if you have a felony, if you're on certain medications, or have a history of mental illness. The problem is that many people don't actually get officially evaluated for mental health, don't report medications, etc, so the laws end up missing the very people they're intended to prevent from getting guns.
And then when we look at suicide statistics, the US isn't all that different from European countries at 15.6 per 100k, France at 16.6, Germany at 12.9, and Belgium at 18.4 (IIRC, guns are largely banned in those countries). The US is higher than its neighbors (i.e. Canada has 9.4, and Mexico has 7), but I don't think that's a smoking gun here since Europe also has a wide range (UK is 9.5 and Spain is 8.7). Guns existing doesn't seem like a major factor in suicide rates, it just happens to be the most convenient method so it gets used the most. If guns were effectively restricted from suicidal people, the biggest change we'd likely see would be shifting from firearms to other methods of suicide, not a significant drop in overall suicide rates (though maybe an initial drop due to delayed suicides).
Real solutions here are hard, and banning guns is comparatively easy, but I really don't think it would actually solve the problem.
It actually galvanized people against the movement and made a younger generation more politically aware, including many probably seeing (voluntarily even) their first testimony to congress as they flipped over from MTV to CSPAN to watch some of their favorite rockers.
So yeah good call GOP
They are really in the shitter with ideas, they have a lot of levers right now, but they are truly staggering under their own weight. Their coalition isn't going to last forever.
Been playing bloodborne all week. I still have no desire to go out with two wagon wheels assembled together with some kind of cog mechanism to toss it over my shoulder and slam it into dogs that are too aggressive for my tastes.
Remember when Coloumbine happened and politicians started blaming DOOM (a several year old game at that point) and Quake? Hell didn't they also try to blame the Matrix simply because the shooters were wearing trench coats? meanwhile the film came out like what? one or two weeks before the shootings?
The CEO killing was nothing more than a correction of the Free Market. His denial policies went to far, and the market corrected the problem. In addition, his company, and other health companies as well, loosened up their denial policies as a result of the killing, almost certainly avoiding deaths. THAT is the very definition of a Free Market correction.
This is another one. MAGA policies have gone too far, and are promising to go further, despite outrage from the majority of the citizens. Now one of those citizens has attempted to reduce some of the most vicious, treasonous, and influential rhetoric by removing the source. It's another Free Market correction.
The Free Market is the Conservative religion, you would think they'd be cheering at evidence that it is working.
I'm old enough to remember "Mortal Monday" with the release of the first Mortal Kombat on consoles and everyone was CONVINCED that it would result in kids ripping the spines and hearts out of peoples bodies.
Hell I remember when the original TMNT and Power Rangers was bad because it would encourage kids to do "ninja stuff" to the point where in the UK they changed "Ninja" to "Hero" and eventually Michaelangleo wasn't allowed to use nunchucks anymore because out of ALL the weapons the turtles had, THOSE were a no-no. Sword? Sai? that's fine...even the boe! but heaven forbid a child crafted their own nuncucks!
We never left it, its just not been getting as much traction. It also pivoted, to "Video games cause sexual violence towards women". And yes, GTA was the main culprit as it always has been.
Is the shooter a person of color? Seriously, ask yourself that. Likely that is the citing factor for someone coming up with fucking bullshit like this. When the shooter is white, the defenders of gun rights will point to mental health. The point I am making is that POC will be a used as a scapegoat to upturn causes in society for their actions while a white person is largely upheld by gun rights advocates as a sign of failure to address mental health.
To be fair, a lot of POC gun violence is gang related, not mental health related, because POC tend to be stuck in poorer areas and resort to gangs to make ends meet. There is certainly white gang violence as well, but there's also a lot of mental health related crimes that happen to be committed by white people, probably because they have more ready access to guns that the average non-gang affiliated POC.
His office leaked his plans to link video games to behavioral issues earlier this week, so he already had the press release ready, he just swapped some words around.
I guess RWS can add a 'Kennedy Mode' to Postal2 Redux. (in reference to the previous lowest difficulty, Liebermode, named after Senator Joe Lieberman.)
It's just a rehash of the same silly satanic panic in the 80s. Same idea, different scapegoat, slightly different thing it supposedly causes. But the repugnants have a multi decade history of this shit and trot it out every 5-10 years
The only legitimate link between violence and video games is that violent people seem to like violent video games. I haven't seen any compelling evidence of a video game causing someone to kill.
And what do you think makes people violent?
Their upbringing, their environment, their circumstances, and so on.
Obviously, if video games are a significant part of their lives, they can contribute to violent tendencies especially if someone cannot distinguish fiction from reality. Thatâs exactly my point.
Idk, I'm not a psychologist, but I have looked at studies on video games and there hasn't been a causal link between violent video games and IRL violence. You'd think that with so much focus on age ratings and whatnot that we would've found something, yet that's not the case. My understanding is the largest contributing factors are childhood abuse, social groups (esp. anonymous online groups), and bullying. I suppose some of that could happen in video games (i.e. in-game chat), but then it's not the game itself causing violence, but the interaction w/ other players.
So no, I haven't seen any evidence that violent video games contribute to anything. The best argument is that people who have violent tendencies tend to play violent video games, but the reverse has little to no evidence.
Reasonable, I think thatâs a fair argument.
Iâm just adding that some abused individuals who use video games as a way to cope with stress might be pushed over the edge when they encounter violence in those games. It may be a small percentage, but it can certainly contribute. But yeah, I have to admit that since itâs not such a tangible thing to grasp, it might be difficult to truly know unless the individual clearly says so.
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fulg@lemmy.world · 174 pts · 355d
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 355d
Yup, famously before that, violence didn't exist at all.
J92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
No but his dad and uncle were still alive.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 354d
My dad and uncle are still alive though
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 355d
These guys were evil! đŻ
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 355d
Games of Mass Destruction
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 354d
"Yo, Charlie got PONGED"
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 126 pts · 355d
this is so obviously false it's enfuriating coming from the head of HHS. Lots of coutnries all over the world have the same violent video games we do without the mass shootings.
okaaaaaaay... follow that train of thought just a liiiiiitle bit further bobby. Do you think Switzerland is stuck in the 80s or something?
mohab@piefed.social · 39 pts · 355d
You got yourself in a cul-de-sac there. The worm ate the train long ago đ
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 354d
God damnit Bobby...
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 354d
remember, that his bear cub incident was only 10-11years prior too.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 120 pts · 355d
Oh wow, we're really hitting all the classics.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 355d
We're almost back to blaming violence on D&D. Exciting times.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 19 pts · 355d
They're communing with Satan, I hear!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 355d
We'll get there, just give it time.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 354d
It's those skateboards that done it, and the comic books the hooligans are readin. And all them lady folk wearin trousers! It's the devil I tells ya!
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 355d
Tipper Gore just got a tingling sensation in her naughty bits.
*If you saw the pre edit you're welcome.
klemptor@startrek.website · 3 pts · 355d
Aw man what'd I miss?
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 354d
I wrote I'm her naughty bits instead of in because phones are dumb.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 354d
We got time travel before GTA 6
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 355d
Can't risk hinting that the policies that they push directly lead to the material conditions that cause these shootings.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 354d
When you are trying to avoid the most obvious solutions at all costs, you have to recycle the greatest hits.
Wolfram@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 355d
Are we really restarting this conversation for the FUCKING millionth time???
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 40 pts · 354d
Crime in the US peaked in 1993... when Doom first came out. Then it started dropping until recently.
Conclusion: violent video games cause a drop in crime.
untorquer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 354d
But it peaked the same year Doom came out. Obviously Doom was the cause of the peak!
I should add, that as less people played Doom, violent crime reduced.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Ok no the double down will woosh someone, here's your /s :::
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 354d
Doom is a game made by a cultist where the player goes to hell to interact with demons!!!
Ban the Mormon made demon killing game!
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 38 pts · 355d
There was one helluva gamer in Utah today.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 355d
I live in Utah and have a coworker that was supposed to be there for class tonight. Wild times...
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 355d
How many more until he can call in a drone or an air strike?
krimson@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 355d
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 44 pts · 355d
It's called the 'Gish Gallop.'
The best way for the Right to defeat the Left in an argument is to unload a torrent of lies, half truths, complete nonsense, and other disinformation. The idea is to overwhelm the other side's ability to form a coherent response, because there's too much to unpack.
Trump knows Kennedy is an idiot, but he's a useful idiot in that he forces the Left to deal with him.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 354d
fun fact its created by the russian, its also called the FIREHOSE OF FALSEHOOD.
purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 355d
It's because we have Trump to deal with that we have him to deal with.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 355d
Because Brain Worm Jr is Trumps gift to the world.
mienshao@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 355d
mienshao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
Who the fuck is downvoting this comment? Genuinely why? Is this some pro-trump instance or something? Like wtf I donât understand what I said wrongâŚ
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 355d
You used an ableist slur for no apparent reason?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
is the news supposed to NOT cover what the government is doing?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
Trump listens to Fox News on the daily. He takes advice and opinions from Fox News. Fox News influences his stances and direction.
In this way, Fox News is even more powerful than Trump himself. Because Fox News influences like half the country, but also influences Trumps future actions.
So it's not that Fox News covers the news. The issue is that Fox News creates news.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
the comment wasn't about fox news specifically, it was about news in general. like it or not, we need news agencies to cover what these people are doing.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 354d
probably people shilling for Charlie kirk.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 355d
Who do you think they'll run in 2028?
Ulrich@feddit.org · 3 pts · 355d
Same reason any other politician is on the news. Because unfortunately they dictate our collective plight as Americans. And really outside the US as well.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
Because they control the country and people should know what they are doing. It's not that complicated.
devolution@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 355d
Games don't cause mass shootings.
Conservatives(policies) do.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 16 pts · 355d
Conservatives (reactionary fear mongering) do.
Wolf@lemmy.today · 31 pts · 354d
You mean the same dumbass that blames an ingredient that hasn't been in vaccines in over 20 years for Autism, an ingredient that has never been shown to cause autism in the first place? Does anyone actually take this jackass seriously?
Bobby Kennedy must be rolling over in his grave.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 354d
Yeah unfortunately 40% of Americans do take this jackass seriously.
echodot@feddit.uk · 29 pts · 354d
Well he's right.
Until the invention of video games no one ever killed anyone ever. Then pong came along, and it was mass murder every other day.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 33 pts · 354d
Proof:
mememuseum@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 353d
kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 354d
I'm bout to pong yo eye out, mutha flicka!
quoll@lemmy.sdf.org · 28 pts · 355d
i blame mass shootings for video games
Phegan@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 355d
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 355d
Charlie Kirk would like to have a word. Go ahead Charlie, Charlie? CHARLIE NO!!!!
Hupf@feddit.org · 3 pts · 355d
Charlie yes! Charlie always yes!
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 354d
Ooh, so original. Going back to those age old talking points eh. So fresh, so new. Why does anyone listen to these wind bags?
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 355d
I played a lot of Pac-Man and now I'm munching for pills in dark rooms while listening to repetitive music. It's true, I love techno parties. Joke, I barily ever played Pac-Man.
I also played a lot of age of empires. Now I annoy everyone with "whololoooo" all the time. Joke, no I don't.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Whololooooo :::
It probably has nothing to do with widely available guns.
Here in NL we don't have that, but we do have loads of mass shootings. Oh wait, no we don't. But we don't have violent video games. Oh wait, yes we do.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Whololooooo :::
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 355d
This comic is 26 years old. Still relevant.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 355d
https://auknewmedia.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/pacmans-effect-on-behavior/
czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 355d
For some reason I want to subscribe to your newsletter
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 355d
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TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 355d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0AFBslNms
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 354d
Those spoilers deserve an upvote.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 355d
Jesus K Rist he is stupid.
Better loosen gun laws some more, that'll fix it.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 354d
Not this again...
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 354d
Back to the 90s.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 354d
Hear me out...James Tiberius Kirk was supposed to be a descendant of Charles Aswipe Kirk. Slowly these photos will fade away and be replaced by photos of Christopher Pike.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 354d
Then we'd be in a timeline where Spock dies instead, which ends up much worse. (per Strange New Worlds)
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
He has two kids. Maybe one of his daughters hands her last name down
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
I concur
FrickAndMortar@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 355d
Microwaved Mel Gibson can fuck all the way off with that nonsense.
Peripherally related:
https://www.psypost.org/sexualized-video-games-are-not-causing-harm-to-male-or-female-players-according-to-new-research/
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 354d
RFK Jr do better...Tylenol killed 7 people in the 90s, Kirk was obviously killed by Tylenol.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 354d
Battlefield and CoD are responsible for war?
Oh jeez, I glad they didn't have video games in 1914, otherwise they might have killed a bunch of people!
atk007@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 354d
I agree. Those who miss out on playing violent video games, end up resorting to real life violence later.
ALLGLORYTOHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 355d
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 355d
It's straight disinformation. Nevermind that everyone else plays the same games, let's cherry pick the one western nation that has a comparable number of guns per capita and not think about that any further.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 355d
If we look at "intentional homicide rate" (choice of weapon agnostic), the US is 66th and just above Greenland. I think this statistic is better than "gun deaths" since it excludes suicides and accidental deaths and looks at intentional murder.
The number is way higher than it should be, but probably way better than most assume given the news.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 355d
why should we exclude suicides and accidents?
also Greenland isn't a very reliable comparison statistically since their grand total of intentional murders in 2024 was 3. Canada is ranked 111 with a rate less than half of US. UK is ranked 142 with a rate less than a quarter of the US.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 355d
Because those are separate problems with separate solutions.
If people use guns to kill themselves, will they stop killing themselves if we take the guns away? Maybe some will, if the alternatives take so much more time, but the impact won't be massive. Instead of making suicide harder, we should be treating the root cause of suicide, which is desperation (i.e. have a decent social safety net) and depression (make mental health resources widely available).
If people get hurt due to gun accidents, I highly doubt they'd be happy if we took their guns away, since that's like solving traffic deaths by banning cars. The better solution is to improve safety features on guns and teach people gun safety so they can use them safely, or in the car example, we should be improving road design and driving education (and making cars less necessary, but that's a separate point).
Suicides and gun accidents are certainly interesting statistics, but mixing them with homicides just makes it harder to see what's going on and arrive at effective solutions.
Womble@piefed.world · 2 pts · 354d
Generally yes, Suicide tends to be a spur of the moment decision to go through with it and having immediate access to a very easy, very lethal method increases the rate significantly. There have been numerous studies that show that putting up barriers at bridges etc that are commonly jumped from dreastically reduces the suicide rate from them without raising it elsewhere e.g.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 353d
Sure, and sensible things like barriers at bridges makes a ton of sense because doing that doesn't negatively impact anyone and merely gives people more time to rethink their choice.
That said, even with those safeguards, tons of people kill themselves. I had a friend do it by hanging, others use drugs, and some use cops.
If we look at statistics, the US has 15.6 suicides per 100k, compared to 18.4 in Belgium, 12.9 in Germany, and 16.6 in France (not trying to cherry pick here, please look up the stats yourself). Each of those countries has (largely) banned guns, yet the US's numbers aren't all that different, so surely guns aren't a major contributor here.
What we need is to address the core issues here, such as access to mental health resources, more social interaction, etc. Banning guns isn't going to meaningfully impact suicide, it'll just shift the statistics to other methods and maybe delay it a bit. People like easy solutions, and treating the symptoms is very attractive, but it's not a real solution.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
Or⌠both?
itâs not even remotely the same thing since carsâ primary purpose is not killing. Also there's a very wide middle ground of options between "do nothing" and "take all guns away". This is not a binarry issue.
it doesnât really. what does make it harder to arrive at effective solutions is making any excuse possible to avoid gun control.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 353d
Sure.
However, most of the gun-related "solutions" I've seen wouldn't actually solve anything, or there's very little supporting evidence that they're actually effective (see this Twitter post by the RAND Corporation, media bias for RAND Corporation).
When it comes to suicide prevention, the most effective solution I've seen presented and implemented are red flag laws, yet suicide and mass shooting rates don't seem particularly impacted by that. It turns out people are really bad at taking advantage of those laws, and there's always the risk that innocent people get hit as well.
We already have laws in place in most (all?) of the country that, if actually followed, would prevent a lot of these cases (not suicide, but access to guns). You already can't own guns if you have a felony, if you're on certain medications, or have a history of mental illness. The problem is that many people don't actually get officially evaluated for mental health, don't report medications, etc, so the laws end up missing the very people they're intended to prevent from getting guns.
And then when we look at suicide statistics, the US isn't all that different from European countries at 15.6 per 100k, France at 16.6, Germany at 12.9, and Belgium at 18.4 (IIRC, guns are largely banned in those countries). The US is higher than its neighbors (i.e. Canada has 9.4, and Mexico has 7), but I don't think that's a smoking gun here since Europe also has a wide range (UK is 9.5 and Spain is 8.7). Guns existing doesn't seem like a major factor in suicide rates, it just happens to be the most convenient method so it gets used the most. If guns were effectively restricted from suicidal people, the biggest change we'd likely see would be shifting from firearms to other methods of suicide, not a significant drop in overall suicide rates (though maybe an initial drop due to delayed suicides).
Real solutions here are hard, and banning guns is comparatively easy, but I really don't think it would actually solve the problem.
ALLGLORYTOHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 355d
Absolutely. There have been so many studies trying to prove a connection and failed. It's a completely debunked argument.
tal@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 355d
For those who don't remember this guy, he was pretty obnoxious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)
ChimpChamp22@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 355d
MelloniDev@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 355d
Didn't work last time, won't work this time
BanMe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 355d
It actually galvanized people against the movement and made a younger generation more politically aware, including many probably seeing (voluntarily even) their first testimony to congress as they flipped over from MTV to CSPAN to watch some of their favorite rockers.
So yeah good call GOP
They are really in the shitter with ideas, they have a lot of levers right now, but they are truly staggering under their own weight. Their coalition isn't going to last forever.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 354d
What's old is new again...
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 354d
No what's old is running the government
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 355d
Been playing bloodborne all week. I still have no desire to go out with two wagon wheels assembled together with some kind of cog mechanism to toss it over my shoulder and slam it into dogs that are too aggressive for my tastes.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 354d
Do not lie to yourself hunter, it calls to you just as it calls to all of us. The need for blood the call of the hunt.
Throws spider Patches into the Walmart
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 354d
Dogs or pigs?
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 353d
They're all beasts... Yarnam is done for....
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 355d
No, Nazis like you do. Look at Charlie Kirk. Nazi down.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 355d
Hey, dude was a POS but I'll never condone violence.
rozodru@piefed.social · 12 pts · 354d
Remember when Coloumbine happened and politicians started blaming DOOM (a several year old game at that point) and Quake? Hell didn't they also try to blame the Matrix simply because the shooters were wearing trench coats? meanwhile the film came out like what? one or two weeks before the shootings?
Politicians just LOVE their scapegoats.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 354d
toothpaste_sand@lemy.nl · -1 pts · 354d
Not sure if this is the type of reaction post appropriate here.
MHLoppy@fedia.io · 11 pts · 355d
https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/jfk-files-reveal-lee-harvey-oswald-played-violent-video-games/
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 355d
Even if you've never heard of video games, you can tell this is total bullshit by the fact that RFK jr is saying it.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 355d
I'm pretty sure the mass shootings are just emulation of the mass violence the ultrarich inflict on everyone on a daily basis.
I hope the shooter's name is Mario Brother
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 354d
The CEO killing was nothing more than a correction of the Free Market. His denial policies went to far, and the market corrected the problem. In addition, his company, and other health companies as well, loosened up their denial policies as a result of the killing, almost certainly avoiding deaths. THAT is the very definition of a Free Market correction.
This is another one. MAGA policies have gone too far, and are promising to go further, despite outrage from the majority of the citizens. Now one of those citizens has attempted to reduce some of the most vicious, treasonous, and influential rhetoric by removing the source. It's another Free Market correction.
The Free Market is the Conservative religion, you would think they'd be cheering at evidence that it is working.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 354d
Well what is the saying, free market for everyone else, but socialism for themselves.
Xed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 355d
This man is an absolute moron, him saying this is no different from the uneducated garbage heâs been spewing
Cheems@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 355d
desmosthenes@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 355d
itâs guns.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 355d
Remember when Mortal Kombat came out and we all started ripping each other's heads off and pulling out still beating hearts? Those were the days.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 355d
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 355d
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 354d
so does he believe that Swiss people do not play video games, or what
DacoTaco@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 354d
He was so close to the truth, yet so damn far
tino@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 353d
I love that he is telling something stupid, trying to validate it by using a fact that is probably the best way to prove how stupid it is.
daggermoon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 354d
Funny, Hillary Clinton said the same thing.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 354d
And Tipper Gore in the 90s.
selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 355d
Played adventure games and fighting games growing up. Never in my entire forty-something years have I even thrown a punch at anyone.
Japan LOVES video games, you don't see them being brought up for the reason they have sooo maaany murders. Oh wait...
(Now I play MMOs and I never cast a spell at anyone either, in case y'all wondering...)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 355d
I played tons of first person shooters, GTA, etc, and I also have never thrown a punch at anyone.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 355d
I've punched multiple people, but I know I punched people before I ever had a game console or computer.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
World War 2? Nanking? Unit 451. They were plenty messed up.
freeman@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 354d
So you are saying videogames fixed them?
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
They also gave us anime. I wonder what effect that has had on the world. Nyaaa~!
HubertManne@piefed.social · 8 pts · 355d
If its a stupid idea. RFK jr. has had it.
Bosht@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 354d
I mean, typical boomer shit from an ignorant boomer. I'm not surprised at all.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 355d
The single biggest factor for American military hegemony in Grenada was Pac-Man.
RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 355d
Hey fuck you....I know video games didn't cause shit...it seems like I ate that part of his dumbass brain.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 354d
Binding of Isaac is why I torture children /s
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 354d
God. Are we back on this loop again?!! Incidentally what is the most selling game currently?
A game about a bug with a needle? Super violent.
rozodru@piefed.social · 3 pts · 354d
I'm old enough to remember "Mortal Monday" with the release of the first Mortal Kombat on consoles and everyone was CONVINCED that it would result in kids ripping the spines and hearts out of peoples bodies.
Hell I remember when the original TMNT and Power Rangers was bad because it would encourage kids to do "ninja stuff" to the point where in the UK they changed "Ninja" to "Hero" and eventually Michaelangleo wasn't allowed to use nunchucks anymore because out of ALL the weapons the turtles had, THOSE were a no-no. Sword? Sai? that's fine...even the boe! but heaven forbid a child crafted their own nuncucks!
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
We never left it, its just not been getting as much traction. It also pivoted, to "Video games cause sexual violence towards women". And yes, GTA was the main culprit as it always has been.
BipolarSilence@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 354d
So it's a mass shooting now? Feels like a slap in the face to every other incident
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 354d
If you're referring to the Kirk shooting, this was before that.
BipolarSilence@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 354d
Ohh gotcha
Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org · 2 pts · 353d
Kirk was pretty dense.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 6 pts · 355d
Well, if you take away video games we'll have to find entertainment somewhere
normalexit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 355d
Jfc, this again?
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · 4 pts · 355d
I blame faulty condoms for RFK Jr
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 354d
He outed himself as an ignorant fool.
readyno@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 354d
Hey, that's an insult to ignorant fools
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 3 pts · 354d
He's been doing that his entire life.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 355d
Yeah. When all y'all are talking about how we need government intervention and legislature to get you what you want?
THIS is why some of us are very wary of that and don't think "We are just idea people. Other people can make it a law" is at all a good idea.
wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 355d
Wolfenstein was pretty good, ngl
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 355d
What did they tell him about how his father and uncle died?
Probably the truth, just like they told him the truth about vaccines.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 354d
The Kennedy assassinations were clearly the result of the Hula Hoop.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 4 pts · 355d
Is the shooter a person of color? Seriously, ask yourself that. Likely that is the citing factor for someone coming up with fucking bullshit like this. When the shooter is white, the defenders of gun rights will point to mental health. The point I am making is that POC will be a used as a scapegoat to upturn causes in society for their actions while a white person is largely upheld by gun rights advocates as a sign of failure to address mental health.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 355d
To be fair, a lot of POC gun violence is gang related, not mental health related, because POC tend to be stuck in poorer areas and resort to gangs to make ends meet. There is certainly white gang violence as well, but there's also a lot of mental health related crimes that happen to be committed by white people, probably because they have more ready access to guns that the average non-gang affiliated POC.
Games are unrelated to both cases.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 354d
Spoons made me fat!
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 353d
Truth in England.
Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 355d
Christ, man. Itâs either âgod had a planâ or âcaptain price from mw2 indirectly shot the suspect, your honorâ
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 355d
BanMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 355d
His office leaked his plans to link video games to behavioral issues earlier this week, so he already had the press release ready, he just swapped some words around.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 3 pts · 355d
If I don't pass that ant zone on silksong I'm going to shoot something.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 353d
I guess RWS can add a 'Kennedy Mode' to Postal2 Redux. (in reference to the previous lowest difficulty, Liebermode, named after Senator Joe Lieberman.)
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 354d
His Brain worm is right. I remember when Pong first came out, and I'd get so pissed off when playing it, that I wanted to kill somebody.
chrislowles@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 354d
what in the 1993
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 354d
I know, right? Jack Thompson called, he wants his shtick back.
cheloxin@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 354d
It's just a rehash of the same silly satanic panic in the 80s. Same idea, different scapegoat, slightly different thing it supposedly causes. But the repugnants have a multi decade history of this shit and trot it out every 5-10 years
atro_city@fedia.io · 2 pts · 355d
Will somebody shoot this guy to make him a martyr?
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
A polly who doesn't know what they are talking about. nothing new here.
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 355d
Poor innocent guns being used for evil, good thing someone stands up for them. :')
Ch3rry314@piefed.social · 2 pts · 355d
Is this real?
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 354d
I thought they figured out a long time ago that it was actually the ADHD medicine causing it
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
Ask Jack Thompson how that line of reasoning worked out for him
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 354d
RFK Jr. is the epitome of The Weekly World News.
carlossurf@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 354d
Yeah sure its not idiots like this calling democrats child rapists thats doing it
mienshao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 354d
Auth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 355d
Video games? You mean mass murder training simulators.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 355d
It depends on the individual. Those who cannot distinguish fiction from reality are the ones to watch out for but itâs tough to figure that out.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 355d
It really doesn't.
The only legitimate link between violence and video games is that violent people seem to like violent video games. I haven't seen any compelling evidence of a video game causing someone to kill.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 355d
And what do you think makes people violent? Their upbringing, their environment, their circumstances, and so on. Obviously, if video games are a significant part of their lives, they can contribute to violent tendencies especially if someone cannot distinguish fiction from reality. Thatâs exactly my point.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 355d
Idk, I'm not a psychologist, but I have looked at studies on video games and there hasn't been a causal link between violent video games and IRL violence. You'd think that with so much focus on age ratings and whatnot that we would've found something, yet that's not the case. My understanding is the largest contributing factors are childhood abuse, social groups (esp. anonymous online groups), and bullying. I suppose some of that could happen in video games (i.e. in-game chat), but then it's not the game itself causing violence, but the interaction w/ other players.
So no, I haven't seen any evidence that violent video games contribute to anything. The best argument is that people who have violent tendencies tend to play violent video games, but the reverse has little to no evidence.
Hikki88@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 355d
Reasonable, I think thatâs a fair argument. Iâm just adding that some abused individuals who use video games as a way to cope with stress might be pushed over the edge when they encounter violence in those games. It may be a small percentage, but it can certainly contribute. But yeah, I have to admit that since itâs not such a tangible thing to grasp, it might be difficult to truly know unless the individual clearly says so.