If anyone's feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog's creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It's very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.
Probably had to do with the country copyright laws :/ I had personal videos blocked because they used music that in over country was free to use and in others wasn’t… or maybe he hates you in particular 🤷♀️
Oh, thanks for sharing this experience, because that makes totally sense to me. The error message is kind of misleading and gave me the impression the blocking was on purpose.
And people were like "oh the killer carved UWU what's this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that's common in Groyper circles"
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean????
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I'm just like dude, our lizard brains can't handle the internet. We just weren't wired to work like this, there's no way
I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it's insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
With cigarettes, we recognized the harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:
...and this...
The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there's got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.
I'm a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what "uwu" is. These idiots think they're "exposing the conspiracy", when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what'll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?
Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don't think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don't really think he was.
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that's always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking "with or without gang violence?"
His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, "With or without gang violence?" Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
Of course they won't, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.
I didn't even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as "That guy who tried to sue Antifa" and later "The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024"
Apparently there's controversy about him not "really" being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly.... and I'm like...
I didn't even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was "damn, that really is a tiny face".
I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the 'whitepeopletwitter' subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
From what I'm gathering, it seems like one group is more "traditionally" American racism... And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they're racists and not worth the oxygen they're consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I'd hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would... I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
... Not that I'm complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself..... I'm just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that's an absolute win IMO.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can't really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
More or less, yes. It's the satisfaction that comes from power.
The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they've fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they've built vanishes.
So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don't think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We're approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
The "true believers" in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn't paying attention.
But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren't cool with barely contained barbarism.
It's like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you've lost your mind
This lot don't even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let's have a bit of self-respect around here.
This isn't even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he's definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.
They're just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It's such a depressing reality I can't even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.
You're also describing lemmy, except for the mass shooter part... for now. With the stochastic terrorism that dominates certain discussions (Gaza, Luigi, etc) it's only a matter of time.
I've never felt the need to shift my opinions to please the crowd on lemmy. I mean if someone is really deep in certain communities that could happen, but that's the loser part. Online chat groups shouldn't become a focus of your identity.
Lemmy isn't in the same realm as Groypers or neo-nazi cliques or any of that nonsense. Really?
I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.
I enjoy the use of past tense when he is mentioned. Now that we know he died by the hands of people just like him its even better. White on white. Hate on hate.
Other than the fact both were white Im not sure you can say they are “just like him”. There’s some significant differences in their views even if he turns out to be a groyper.
there are difference between nazis and the KKK and you would have to be incredibly ignorant to not see them if you look for them. You dont fight brain cancer and skin cancer the same way despite both being cancers.
Exactly, Kirk would let my Jewish family members he but would really hope they move to Israel so they can die and Jesus return. Fuentes would outwardly hate these same family members.
Pepe is too general to be taken over by a group as a symbol. I hate when ppl just concede Pepe away like that. Fuck those normies (and ofc nazis as well).
Akin to "oh no, that nazi is eating freedom fries, has a USA tattoo, and is wearing a shirt - all of those things separately are now the undisputed universal symbols of Nazism!!".
Seriously, people saying that about pepe here reminds me of conservatives saying video games are the problem. It's like come on, I don't think the 19 year old woman streaming stardew valley on twitch to 12 people and posting okayge in chat even knows what a 4chan is lol
To be fair, I tend to think most people on lemmy are old enough to remember You're The Man Now Dog and think of Twitch as that site their son uses. They don't really know either.
Which dweeb was showing off his pin right before he was punched in the face? Also I will note I get them for free since I bought a great coat and an entrenchment tool and they just kinda wanted them gone.
I think that's called a KillerNazi, then there MegaNazis, GigaNatzi and TeraNazis. At some point they'll come out with PetaNazis, but right now they're too expensive to be commercially available
Sorry, not the inter-maga war, this was way back during Trump's first term, when TD was still a thing. They had a whole reddit groyper "army" (terminally online TD / Musk incel fanbois) who'd show up and brigade posts on r/politics, r/news, etc.
Generally not so much that it was obvious brigading (we found coordination threads in TD), but enough to try to cast doubt on events and astroturf enough "genuine commentary from ordinary people" so it could be picked up by podcasters and influencers who could amplify the "spontaneous messages and feedback", which would turn be picked up by the less reputable right-wing "news outlets and spread from there to Faux News. It was both fascinating and scary, watching the right wing echosphere at work in detail.
We kept trying to beat back the brigaders, but honestly it was a total whack-a-mole thing, especially since spez decided that reddit was a total free speech zone during the first presidency and that he wasn't going to do anything to help keep things in check because he was too busy building his survival bunker and sucking up to the guys with the big money.
Reddit is ground zero for the whole umbrella of far right incels. What you talking about stretch. I'm so tired people being too timid to call it what it is.
I honestly can't tell if people are being disingenuous when they say they're shocked that reddit was any of that at all. I know the far right disavow it completely but of course those guys are bullshitters. They drive propaganda 24/7.
What's the excuse for those are in earnest about it. Were people really that siloed such that they completely missed pretty much the entirety of what reddit is?
I'm not too timid, I just don't know enough about the other places on the internet or the behind the scenes on Reddit to say much conclusively
Why should I defend reddit? It was a shithole that only got worse as time went on
At some point I intentionally stopped going and interacting with the darker sides of reddit to protect my own sanity, though. So yes, I was effectively siloed from it. But I'm not shocked, far from it
It's not behind the scenes when the most popular subreddits were such things as "c*ntown". It didn't get better or worse. It's always been a nazi shithole. Those weren't the dark cornerse of the site it was the top results on Google back when it was a thing to show it. Those subreddit could regularly be seen on r/all.
This meta is what I'm talking about. People talking like none of that existed or it was too obscure for anyone to have known.
In late 2022 and early 2023, the Groyper movement shifted away from its longtime position of supporting Trump and instead began promoting Kanye West's presidential campaign.
Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there's still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it's so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.
So I elected to share it and go, "Dog, this info is wild y'all gotta do your own research because wtf."
Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I'll remember to share those links if I spot them and they're highly credible.
Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called 'groypers' led by Nick Fuentes. There's an online meme 'persona' of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It's the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn't think was possible but here we are.
It's so true. Conservatives are so uncreative that they miss the most basic elements of storytelling that most of us grasp as children.
They haven't made anything creative of their own since the swastika, and even that was stolen from Hindus. All they do is take take take, and then ruin everything they fucking touch.
Honestly you're not alone. This is the first I've heard to any extent that Pepe was used by racists at all. I've seen some pretty heartfelt animations using the likeness and no hint to any extent that racism was somehow attached to it.
Maybe I'm not chronically online enough or in whatever channels where whatever you're talking about is going on as I'm not even sure where it is I would go to 'go back and look'. Are there like entire communities sharing pepe memes or something?
Yeah. I figured as much. There's still a lot of lurkers on Lemmy, and I assume that at least some of them have seen the comments and agreed at some extent.
Though, someone seems to be down voting comments around here. I dunno, I'm just some dude.
I've noticed a lot more down votes lately and I have no idea why. I still couldn't give any less of a shit if I'm down voted or not, it's just an interesting trend for my brain to look at.
Pepe is actually a reclaimed racist meme. Most of this 4chan racism about the frog is from 2016 or so. If you're ever on twitch, you'll see it all over the place because it's a huge part of their culture.
Basically racists got mad Pepe got reco-opted by democratic protestors in Hong Kong so they decided to make their own frog to put racist shit on, this is how a decent chunk of America passes the time.
It's made up BS. Most of the conservatives using pepe avatars don't even know wtf fuentes is. I can confirm because I'm one of those people who wears a pepe the frog mask on forums. The left-wing and MSM hate that conservatives have this mask to anonymize themselves with and they're trying to peg them all to a white nationalist is an attempt to discredit and take down the entire group.
Well it's not going to work. I'm going to keep posting conservative things behind a pepe avatar. You can call me whatever you want. Say I'm a follower of fuentes, or hitler, or satan, or devour the souls of the innocent like cthulhu. I don't care. I'm still gonna wear my frog mask.
Haha.. yes, the Pepe mask is for conservatives "to anonymize themselves", even though the forums and platforms they're already on are already anonymous?
Don't kid yourself - its just a virtue signal to the conservative racist ingroup that you're one of them. Its a 'safe space hat'.
You reply to some random repost of a Twitter comment that its all part of an evil leftist MSM plot to get rid of the Pepe avatars but you're standing proud in defiance? Nobody is trying to get rid of them - they're handy identifiers for trolls and chuds. But yeah, uh.. great speech. Preach. Keep your cute frog mask!
When the only redeeming quality of your speech is that it is free, then your speech is also worthless. Using the pepe avatar is just the discount sticker making it easier to spot.
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sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 153 pts · 324d
If anyone's feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog's creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It's very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 324d
I instantly dislike the guy.
Eq0@literature.cafe · 32 pts · 324d
Probably had to do with the country copyright laws :/ I had personal videos blocked because they used music that in over country was free to use and in others wasn’t… or maybe he hates you in particular 🤷♀️
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 323d
Oh, thanks for sharing this experience, because that makes totally sense to me. The error message is kind of misleading and gave me the impression the blocking was on purpose.
Documentary guy is a good guy after all.
Fuck Youtube and all the music industry.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 5 pts · 323d
Check if any invidious instance can play it, or NewPipe/PipePipe on android
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 323d
Thank you my friend, what a good suggestion. Next thing would be to just use archive.org. However, for this I would need some help.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 323d
If you're on desktop/laptop, FreeTube works pretty well too (has invidious functionality built in)
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 324d
Dang I didn't know users did that on YouTube. I guess I can't say I blame you, it's a shitty thing to do
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 323d
They don’t. It’s regional restriction.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 323d
Oh. That is what I used to assume. Was Zr0 just messing with me?
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 323d
No, Zr0 made an uninformed assumption as well.
chrislowles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 323d
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 132 pts · 324d
I KNOW RIGHT???
And people were like "oh the killer carved UWU what's this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that's common in Groyper circles"
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean????
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I'm just like dude, our lizard brains can't handle the internet. We just weren't wired to work like this, there's no way
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 324d
I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it's insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 324d
Or maybe just not go on the internet so much?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 12 pts · 324d
Most people are addicted. It's like you are saying "Just stop smoking cigarettes so often"
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 324d
That's a more reasonable suggestion than "evolve more lungs"
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 323d
With cigarettes, we recognized the harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:
...and this...
The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there's got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
Personally I am in favor of regulating the internet but the potential censorship concerns are a serious issue with actually doing it
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 323d
now do meat and the leading causes of human death
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 323d
I'm not even sure anymore what this analogy is about but 🤣
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 322d
exactly, hence why I will always promote research into lung alternatives that can better handle particulate matter and are easily replaceable
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 22 pts · 324d
There is no limit. Things are really really bad? They can always get worse. Rock bottom is a flawed analogy.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 6 pts · 323d
The drill is mightier than the rock
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 324d
Sorry man, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.
And I have no idea if it's ever getting better
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 324d
I don't even want to bring up brain chips, there's plenty of people who already think they have them. Imagine the psychosis.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 322d
It's beautiful, isn't it?
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 323d
I saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 323d
The world's first shitpost murder. Insane.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 323d
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46016750
Here's the link.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 324d
I'm a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what "uwu" is. These idiots think they're "exposing the conspiracy", when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 324d
It wasn't even "uwu" meme
It was the "OwO what's this?" Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 323d
What's the difference? ELIA5 please, I don't know if I have time to go down this rabbit hole myself.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 323d
One is a generic emoticon, while "OwO what's this?" is an (in)famous meme from the furry fandom
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this
PotatoLibre@feddit.it · 3 pts · 323d
I still don't understand, but I learned one thing, when a meme seems to do not have a meaning, it's fascists crap.
Those guys always miss humor totally.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 323d
Same difference. It's used interchangeably.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 323d
eh, not really.
one is more a "uwu sowwy" the other is surprised/shocked/curious expression
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 324d
It's this face. Like :) is a smile and xD is supposed to be somebody laughing so hard their eyes have squinted shut.
owo is the same face, but the eyes are open.
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 323d
I always equated "XD" with Eric Cartman 😂
No worries!
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
I can't even parse that as a face
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 323d
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 323d
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 323d
Do they all look like they work at Target?
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 323d
No, these are expensive khakis.
yumpsuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 323d
If this is gonna be a One Piece pirate flag kinda future, does that mean we can wear sailor slops?
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 322d
We can only hope.
Pirates are in this year
someguy3@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 324d
I learned about the Groyper wars recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
saltesc@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 324d
Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what'll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?
Funky_Beak@lemmy.sdf.org · 27 pts · 324d
Careful what you say about yellow or they might come for you next.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 324d
THERE IS ONLY
greenSkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 324d
Green is not a creative color
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 323d
Don't hug me I'm scared reference for anyone wondering
Albbi@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 324d
As a person with deuteranopia, I find your assertion offensive. Next you'll be saying purple is a real colour that totally exists.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 324d
Ayyyyy get out of here with that kind of language, that is so goddamn offensive.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 324d
You have angered the Roman Emperor prepare to lose your penis. If you are not in possession of a penis one will be assigned to you.
ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
Only in our dreams, brother/sister/NB sibling!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 323d
... gurple? green-purple?
Or....does it all more or less come across as something like brown?
Or gray?
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 324d
Can there be green without yellow?
galoisghost@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 324d
Mlem served up some fabulous irony on this comment thread!
Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 324d
You overestimate progress in the field of bigotry. In 50 years they will hate (in no particular order) people who are:
So, pretty much the same as 50 years ago
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 324d
What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 324d
It is very relevant yeah. They hated Kirk, and it very well may be that the shooter was a groyper
pinkapple@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 323d
Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don't think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don't really think he was.
Rothe@piefed.social · 33 pts · 324d
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 323d
Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
paperazzi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 323d
The right always fights. It's why fascist regimes eventually collapse. They eat their own.
oce@jlai.lu · 19 pts · 324d
Thanks. Also interesting to read about the origin of Pepe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 94 pts · 323d
My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that's always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking "with or without gang violence?"
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 26 pts · 323d
Just when I thought it couldn't get any more ironic
000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 323d
Wasn't he saying something about "gang violence" literally the moment he got shot?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 323d
His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, "With or without gang violence?" Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 323d
Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist "culture."
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 323d
Of course they won't, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 320d
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 83 pts · 324d
I didn't even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as "That guy who tried to sue Antifa" and later "The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024"
Apparently there's controversy about him not "really" being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly.... and I'm like...
"This is too much even for me."
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 323d
I didn't even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was "damn, that really is a tiny face".
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 10 pts · 323d
Lol exactly the same here
dumbass@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 323d
He was the splitting image of the default Mii character.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 323d
They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 323d
I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the 'whitepeopletwitter' subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
LengAwaits@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 323d
Wait'll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 323d
Go on
LengAwaits@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 323d
Lots of info on Nick can be found on his RationalWiki entry. See the "Haggard's Law" section for info and links to sources about the things I mentioned.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 323d
I'm sorry to ask, but is there a source that isn't Rational Wiki?
No no, I shouldn't let my own issues with the site get in the way of good faith reporting. I'll have a look at this when I can
LengAwaits@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 323d
There are a lot of sources. Try the following search engine queries:
Nick Fuentes streams gay porn
Nick Fuentes Catboy Date
TheBat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 323d
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
I know him as "that MAGA loser who's a fiercly proud incel and got caught with tabs of gay porn open on a stream".
But to be honest I thought he had completely vanished into insignificance over the last 5 years. Sadly this appears incorrect.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
That would be volcel not incel. Can't be involuntary if you want it.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 75 pts · 323d
From what I'm gathering, it seems like one group is more "traditionally" American racism... And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they're racists and not worth the oxygen they're consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I'd hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would... I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
... Not that I'm complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself..... I'm just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that's an absolute win IMO.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 323d
Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional "Brick and mortar and nooses" racists
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 323d
Potato, potato.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 323d
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can't really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 323d
I generally hate people. I don't want to be authoritative over anyone. I don't want the responsibility.
n0respect@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 323d
I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that's what drives their base actions.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 323d
More or less, yes. It's the satisfaction that comes from power.
The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they've fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they've built vanishes.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 58 pts · 323d
So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 42 pts · 323d
You are far more optimistic than I, my friend.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 323d
I mean the government isn't necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who's the biggest fascist that means shit's up.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 323d
Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn't always mean anything significant is going down.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 323d
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don't think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We're approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 323d
This is it.
The "true believers" in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn't paying attention.
But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren't cool with barely contained barbarism.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 323d
This is not the late stages. This is not even the honeymoon.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 9 pts · 323d
According to the show and soon to be documentary, Cyberpunk 2077, it's gonna get weird.
Stamets@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 324d
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 324d
It's like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you've lost your mind
msage@programming.dev · 8 pts · 324d
Fuck, that is the most apt explanation, thank you.
We lost our innocence forever.
sunbunman@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 324d
Yer a Warlock msage
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 322d
and just like with Eldrich knowledge you either hate what it did or dive deeper
Corelli_III@midwest.social · 45 pts · 323d
the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die
echodot@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 322d
This lot don't even have a snazzy dress sense. They should be required to at least do it properly and at least where the uniform, let's have a bit of self-respect around here.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 323d
This isn't even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he's definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 323d
BlueCanoe@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 323d
I wonder if he found a cute catboy earlier in life he would have turned out differently
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 322d
Cuddling cute catbois is a known preventative measure to Nazism.
Please cuddle catboys.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 322d
instructions unclear: found neonazi catboy bf
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
Hellsing fan?
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 324d
They're just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It's such a depressing reality I can't even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.
Unpeeled3828@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 324d
Losers that have the ear of the president. Fuentes less but he also been to Mar A Lago for lunch with Maga Pompous
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 323d
The two sides are racists who disagree regarding faith and whether Jewish people are their equals or not.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -24 pts · 324d
You're also describing lemmy, except for the mass shooter part... for now. With the stochastic terrorism that dominates certain discussions (Gaza, Luigi, etc) it's only a matter of time.
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 324d
I've never felt the need to shift my opinions to please the crowd on lemmy. I mean if someone is really deep in certain communities that could happen, but that's the loser part. Online chat groups shouldn't become a focus of your identity.
Lemmy isn't in the same realm as Groypers or neo-nazi cliques or any of that nonsense. Really?
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 324d
I'm guessing "Gaza" here means "if you don't support Israel you're a nazi".
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 322d
Lemmygrad / .ml, baraag, the assorted far right instances
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 323d
I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
"So how do we know this chinese furry sniper known as 4chan might not be a Muslim?"
https://youtu.be/EM-booRzCYY https://youtu.be/3KO8OPejaXY?t=3m18s
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 323d
It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.
Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 323d
https://i.imgflip.com/a658co.jpg
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 323d
supported please.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 323d
Im sorry, what are you asking for?
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 323d
I enjoy the use of past tense when he is mentioned. Now that we know he died by the hands of people just like him its even better. White on white. Hate on hate.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 323d
Other than the fact both were white Im not sure you can say they are “just like him”. There’s some significant differences in their views even if he turns out to be a groyper.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 323d
lmao. Ok yeah. Deep differences between nazis and the kkk too. Real important to remember!!! \s \s \s jfc.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 323d
there are difference between nazis and the KKK and you would have to be incredibly ignorant to not see them if you look for them. You dont fight brain cancer and skin cancer the same way despite both being cancers.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 323d
Nazis hate ______ and KKK hates ______
Both believe white christians are a "superior race" and use fear, disinformation, and violence to make their views clear.
What's the difference outside of who's the target of their ire?
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 323d
The only real difference is one was pro Israel and the other wasn't.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 323d
Exactly, Kirk would let my Jewish family members he but would really hope they move to Israel so they can die and Jesus return. Fuentes would outwardly hate these same family members.
Zink@programming.dev · 1 pts · 323d
I think they are asking you to use past tense even discussing attributes of the awful former human charlie kirk.
I see it as a light hearted joke, but with an undertone of "but seriously fuck that guy -- sorry, former guy"
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 323d
This
parrotracist has ceased to be! He is a former bigot!jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
"light hearted" yeah my heart soars
Drusas@fedia.io · 24 pts · 324d
I mean, most white people feel the same way. We learn about it and it's like, wtf.
perishthethought@piefed.social · 21 pts · 324d
Narduar! (music plays)
Narduar! (music plays)
Narduar! (music plays)
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 2 pts · 324d
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
Do do do lo do, do do!
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 324d
Pepe went the way of the swastika, and it's truly sad. 😭
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 17 pts · 324d
Pepe is too general to be taken over by a group as a symbol. I hate when ppl just concede Pepe away like that. Fuck those normies (and ofc nazis as well).
Akin to "oh no, that nazi is eating freedom fries, has a USA tattoo, and is wearing a shirt - all of those things separately are now the undisputed universal symbols of Nazism!!".
YellaLeber@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 323d
Seriously, people saying that about pepe here reminds me of conservatives saying video games are the problem. It's like come on, I don't think the 19 year old woman streaming stardew valley on twitch to 12 people and posting okayge in chat even knows what a 4chan is lol
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 323d
To be fair, I tend to think most people on lemmy are old enough to remember You're The Man Now Dog and think of Twitch as that site their son uses. They don't really know either.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 324d
Do not despair
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 324d
Fun fact I have the exact type of pin as is on that hat. I actually have three of them, damn do I love surplus stores.
smh@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 323d
I have the red star (no laurels). It came attached to a really warm hat at a thrift store.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 324d
Be a lot cooler if you had a pin of Pepe wearing that pin.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 324d
Which dweeb was showing off his pin right before he was punched in the face? Also I will note I get them for free since I bought a great coat and an entrenchment tool and they just kinda wanted them gone.
Soulg@ani.social · 2 pts · 323d
Lmao no he didn't, what?
Etterra@discuss.online · 19 pts · 322d
Imagine a Nazi. Now imagine someone who hates Nazis for not being even worse.
echodot@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 322d
I think that's called a KillerNazi, then there MegaNazis, GigaNatzi and TeraNazis. At some point they'll come out with PetaNazis, but right now they're too expensive to be commercially available
Taleya@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 322d
One of 'em sure did kill a nazi
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d
Triggered this dude
aramis87@fedia.io · 18 pts · 324d
The hell that was being active on reddit during the groyper wars and accidentally absorbing all this shitty knowledge years ago :(
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 324d
.....reddit groyper wars???
what? When was that? Did it just completely fly under my radar????
aramis87@fedia.io · 28 pts · 324d
Sorry, not the inter-maga war, this was way back during Trump's first term, when TD was still a thing. They had a whole reddit groyper "army" (terminally online TD / Musk incel fanbois) who'd show up and brigade posts on r/politics, r/news, etc.
Generally not so much that it was obvious brigading (we found coordination threads in TD), but enough to try to cast doubt on events and astroturf enough "genuine commentary from ordinary people" so it could be picked up by podcasters and influencers who could amplify the "spontaneous messages and feedback", which would turn be picked up by the less reputable right-wing "news outlets and spread from there to Faux News. It was both fascinating and scary, watching the right wing echosphere at work in detail.
We kept trying to beat back the brigaders, but honestly it was a total whack-a-mole thing, especially since spez decided that reddit was a total free speech zone during the first presidency and that he wasn't going to do anything to help keep things in check because he was too busy building his survival bunker and sucking up to the guys with the big money.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
Oh yeah: fuck spez.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 324d
It's probably not a stretch to say that reddit was instrumental in the ride of the modern alt-reich movement
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 323d
Reddit is ground zero for the whole umbrella of far right incels. What you talking about stretch. I'm so tired people being too timid to call it what it is.
I honestly can't tell if people are being disingenuous when they say they're shocked that reddit was any of that at all. I know the far right disavow it completely but of course those guys are bullshitters. They drive propaganda 24/7.
What's the excuse for those are in earnest about it. Were people really that siloed such that they completely missed pretty much the entirety of what reddit is?
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 323d
I'm not too timid, I just don't know enough about the other places on the internet or the behind the scenes on Reddit to say much conclusively
Why should I defend reddit? It was a shithole that only got worse as time went on
At some point I intentionally stopped going and interacting with the darker sides of reddit to protect my own sanity, though. So yes, I was effectively siloed from it. But I'm not shocked, far from it
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
It's not behind the scenes when the most popular subreddits were such things as "c*ntown". It didn't get better or worse. It's always been a nazi shithole. Those weren't the dark cornerse of the site it was the top results on Google back when it was a thing to show it. Those subreddit could regularly be seen on r/all.
This meta is what I'm talking about. People talking like none of that existed or it was too obscure for anyone to have known.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 324d
I was on reddit since back when /r/spacedicks was a thing, up to a few months ago when I started getting instabanned. When tf were the groyper wars?
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 324d
According to the guy who commented just 5min after you, during Trump's first term.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
yeah i was on reddit back then too. tf?
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 323d
It should be a war crime to explain to my mother what a groyper is, what "OWO" is and how to pronounce it.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 7 pts · 323d
Oh-woo-oh, obviously. Just imagine the cringe if your mom decides to joke with OwO and UwU to her friends, it'll be worth it
yumpsuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 323d
Matching cat ear headbands in human and cat sizes, emblazoned with “RAWR XD”
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 324d
There's not just 2
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 324d
your 1 normal friend's reaction to the recent news
zanyllama52@infosec.pub · 12 pts · 323d
I don't think I understand any of what's being said here. Don't know the term, don't know the references being made in the post.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 36 pts · 323d
Yeah OP doesn't explain. Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
TL:DR turbo racists who don't find Trump or Kirk racist enough.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 323d
How does this ...even fit
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 323d
Nick Fuentes and Kanye became friends at some point. I wish I was kidding.
As always with fascism, the blatant contradictions are a feature not a bug.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 323d
""""friends""""
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 323d
That totally makes sense. A black man and an ulra-racist anti-black became friends
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 322d
Nothing makes sense anymore.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 323d
Kayne West is a crazy Nazi, didn't you know? It's not like being black would make him immune to fascism.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 323d
I reckon they're just a bunch of turbo-charged trollers that only say stuff to get a rise out of people. Consistency isn't important to them.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 322d
Because Kanye is a Nazi.
Not as in "wow, this guy's politics are really right-wing, he sucks", but as in "he openly identifies as a Nazi and says he loves Hitler".
zanyllama52@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 323d
Thanks for the context. Also, wtf
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 5 pts · 323d
Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there's still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it's so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.
So I elected to share it and go, "Dog, this info is wild y'all gotta do your own research because wtf."
Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I'll remember to share those links if I spot them and they're highly credible.
RedSnt@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 323d
Wth, I went to urban dictionary for the explanation, and there was a wikipedia page about it all along?!
GnomesAreGneat@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 323d
Wait till you read about the meme wars. This goes deeper than most people know.
natecox@programming.dev · 10 pts · 324d
cerement@slrpnk.net · 35 pts · 324d
/ˈnɑːtsi/
alt_xa_23@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 324d
I've heard it GROI-per /gɹɔɪ.pɝ/
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 324d
I always find these funny, I know the intent but so very rarely is it helpful. I’m probably just too dumb to figure it out
ArchEngel@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 324d
Ahh, yes of course, G-RICE-PE... I am sure there are people out there who know what those cursed letters mean, but it ain't me either.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 324d
Yeah but remember the R is an upside and backwards lowercase r sound. Not a standard R sound
chellomere@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 324d
That's because the English r sound is a weird one.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 324d
You can tell because of the way it is
yumpsuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
https://ipa-reader.com/
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 324d
It's really really useful if you're a linguist, a certain kind of autistic, or willing to consult the IPA chart and sound out a bunch of common words
marcos@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 324d
There's probably a site somewhere where you paste it and it gives you the sound.
Google translate seems to not have the phonetic alphabet, but there's probably something out there that has it.
yumpsuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 323d
https://ipa-reader.com/
Zier@fedia.io · 14 pts · 324d
It's pronounced 'race-ist'.
Dojan@pawb.social · 9 pts · 323d
I've no idea what this means, but if they're just racist PoS I don't think I care about nuance.
Bosht@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 323d
Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called 'groypers' led by Nick Fuentes. There's an online meme 'persona' of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It's the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn't think was possible but here we are.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 323d
It's so true. Conservatives are so uncreative that they miss the most basic elements of storytelling that most of us grasp as children.
They haven't made anything creative of their own since the swastika, and even that was stolen from Hindus. All they do is take take take, and then ruin everything they fucking touch.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 323d
They adopted Pepe?
That's a shame. It was a good meme there for a while. I had no idea that it was being tied to racist bullshit.
Thanks for the heads up. I guess I can't use that meme anymore. I don't want to be associated with these chuckle fucks.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 323d
Seriously? For like 15 years, you've only seen pepes posted by people who don't mind being mistaken for a racist.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
I never made the association. Idk. Maybe I haven't been looking carefully enough.
To be fair, I don't seem to encounter a lot of racists, because I usually actively avoid them, and I also really haven't used Pepe very much either.
There's no lack of memes to replace Pepe, so I'm mostly unbothered by all of this.
I've been on the Internet too long to bother with every nuance of everything that's going on. There's way too much on here for me to care.
Bosht@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 323d
Honestly you're not alone. This is the first I've heard to any extent that Pepe was used by racists at all. I've seen some pretty heartfelt animations using the likeness and no hint to any extent that racism was somehow attached to it.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 323d
Jesus dude. Go back and look at all those pepe posts. Recognise the pattern
Bosht@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 323d
Maybe I'm not chronically online enough or in whatever channels where whatever you're talking about is going on as I'm not even sure where it is I would go to 'go back and look'. Are there like entire communities sharing pepe memes or something?
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 323d
Yeah. I figured as much. There's still a lot of lurkers on Lemmy, and I assume that at least some of them have seen the comments and agreed at some extent.
Though, someone seems to be down voting comments around here. I dunno, I'm just some dude.
I've noticed a lot more down votes lately and I have no idea why. I still couldn't give any less of a shit if I'm down voted or not, it's just an interesting trend for my brain to look at.
Have a good day friend.
Bosht@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 323d
Yup, I've noticed the same. You have a good one as well!
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 323d
whup, complaining about downboats or bragging about upvotes is an automatic downvote. Do I have to teach you EVERYTHING about Internetting??
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 323d
Yeah there's a documentary about the guy who created pepe and how he hates that it's been co-opted by awful people. I forget what it's called.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 323d
they co-opted pepe, much like with punisher logo to twist it.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
It's the same group that coopted the punisher logo?
Those guys are assholes.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 323d
Pepe is actually a reclaimed racist meme. Most of this 4chan racism about the frog is from 2016 or so. If you're ever on twitch, you'll see it all over the place because it's a huge part of their culture.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 323d
Weird. I spend a nontrivial amount of time on Twitch and I don't see that at all.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 323d
I'm speaking particularly of chat emotes. I still see it all the time, but it may vary by channel.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 322d
That's fair. Chat emotes can vary wildly from streamer to streamer.
chrislowles@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 323d
Basically racists got mad Pepe got reco-opted by democratic protestors in Hong Kong so they decided to make their own frog to put racist shit on, this is how a decent chunk of America passes the time.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 324d
Same, literally yesterday
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 324d
I'm whiter than bleached mayonnaise and I barely learned what a groyper was. Loser incels, the lot of em.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 323d
Context? What's the other faction? The first one is likely https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Groypers?lang=en but I dunno the second.
thaklor@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 323d
The other faction got shot in the neck.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 323d
The fuckers can carry on knocking each other off and Vlad should advise them to use the 6th floor windows and balconies instead of bullets.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 322d
Bullets are more traditionally murican.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 323d
Don't go fucking dragging Nardwuar into this. He has paid his dues. HE IS TOO OLD FOR THIS SHIT.
LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 323d
If he could get Trump to do the hip flip, we might be able to move past all of this (since Trump probably wouldn't survive the attempt)
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 323d
Shhh, that's our thing.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 322d
Not at all an important detail but pepe did not become a white nationalist symbol until winging dip shit out of touch loser candidate said it was.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
pepe still not a hate symbol, pepe is for all
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 323d
I just learned what a charlie kirk was
bampop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
Living your best life, I see
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 323d
Is that like a grouper but with a South African accent?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 323d
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 324d
they hate a lot of us. Solidarity
isekaihero@ani.social · -23 pts · 322d
It's made up BS. Most of the conservatives using pepe avatars don't even know wtf fuentes is. I can confirm because I'm one of those people who wears a pepe the frog mask on forums. The left-wing and MSM hate that conservatives have this mask to anonymize themselves with and they're trying to peg them all to a white nationalist is an attempt to discredit and take down the entire group.
Well it's not going to work. I'm going to keep posting conservative things behind a pepe avatar. You can call me whatever you want. Say I'm a follower of fuentes, or hitler, or satan, or devour the souls of the innocent like cthulhu. I don't care. I'm still gonna wear my frog mask.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 322d
Haha.. yes, the Pepe mask is for conservatives "to anonymize themselves", even though the forums and platforms they're already on are already anonymous?
Don't kid yourself - its just a virtue signal to the conservative racist ingroup that you're one of them. Its a 'safe space hat'.
You reply to some random repost of a Twitter comment that its all part of an evil leftist MSM plot to get rid of the Pepe avatars but you're standing proud in defiance? Nobody is trying to get rid of them - they're handy identifiers for trolls and chuds. But yeah, uh.. great speech. Preach. Keep your cute frog mask!
chaonaut@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 322d
"The left hates us because we're frog furries" is one of the takes of all time.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 5 pts · 322d
There it is... Best comment I'll read all day.
webadict@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 322d
I think people hate right-wingers because they commit so much more violence on average. Like, by a factor of like 700%.
Why do you side with such violent people?
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 322d
Wow your just dumb or racist. Ain't no two ways about it. Guess it's confessional time.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
BitchPeas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
The lowercase "i" has me weeping babes.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
BitchPeas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
"im" still has me actually smiling. Yeah, sort of. You're giving prescriptive advice, which is what's giving me the giggles. It's funny.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
sploosh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 322d
Poor Pepe didn't deserve to be turned into a hate symbol. Now all my rare Pepes are worthless.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 322d
When the only redeeming quality of your speech is that it is free, then your speech is also worthless. Using the pepe avatar is just the discount sticker making it easier to spot.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 322d
You...wear a mask? On forums? So that people can't see you while you're posting...? What are you talking about?