I mean, no. There's a possibility of winning at a casino no matter how small. You can't win in USA because even if you bet on a factory, ICE is gonna come and rape your employees. So, no. Your odds are much much better in a casino. Hell, with what Trump is doing I'd say he makes a casino look like investing.
And just like those casinos, it's won't be done by mere gross incompetence but because criminal Trump will subvert the entire federal government to be a front for his crimes and embezzle the entire country dry.
Yep. He's like a cancer. Gets in, starts redirecting resources to service only himself, while killing the host. Only difference is he has always gotten to move on to the next host after it dies, instead of dying with it.
The US is un-invadable. Even if we didn't have the second biggest stockpile of nukes to defend ourselves, we have the most capable navy. There is no way anyone could get close to the US, let alone invade.
We have to pull ourselves out of this, because no one can come to save us.
They couldn't, due to the aforementioned nukes, but even taking the nukes out of the equation, if the US thought Canada was going to be the staging ground for an invasion, there would be a US invasion of Canada. You could not stage all of the world's armies there in a fast enough time. To get the mass of people there that would be necessary, it would take a lot of time.
50 years? Try now today. That's how I see you guys.
A nazi regime with mostly a population that is either weak, stupid, or maliciously complacent. Or fully complicit and collaborative.
I do not want to give the impression that I support this guy, but is there any evidence at all of some gains?
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't why they would willingly bankrupt this country unless theyre just betting against us and look to take full control. I'm not sure what the value of controlling a derelict former superpower country would be.
It's like vandalizing a fantastic house to drive the value down and then moving in. Great, you own a piece of shit that was once special but is no more.
Trump’s greed and need to line his own pockets. He will wreck entire economic sectors to add another billion (in bribe money) to his accounts.
Rich benefactors wanting more. They stay rich regardless of what the economy does, and have a ton of liquid. If it crashes, they can buy so much more of it up for themselves.
Foreign actors looking to upset US hegemony. They don’t have to go to war, they don’t have to fight economic battles…just incentivize the right people to do the wrong things at home in the US, and we destroy ourselves. It’s cheap and easy for them.
Tank everything so the rich can consolidate their power.
We know billionaires, they'll bitch and moan when their profits haven't increased as much as they increased last year. They wouldn't support Trump for his own gains or to appease a foreign agency for any amount of downturn. But to spend money on changing the rules and consolidating power, well, they haven't spent billions lobbying the government for fun.
Before putting Trump into the Oval Office, Brexit was hailed as Putins biggest victory over the west. We are losing left and right to his manipulations and all our governments stick their fingers into their ears.
Foreign actors looking to upset US hegemony. They don’t have to go to war, they don’t have to fight economic battles…just incentivize the right people to do the wrong things at home in the US, and we destroy ourselves. It’s cheap and easy for them.
Meme about China is "do nothing, win". They do not have significant diminishment influence operations in US. There is more of a natural disgust with our oppression.
Foreign powers are manipulating trump to weaken US for their own agendas
its only about Trump being avaricious and gaining more power. Like going into nice neighbors house and stealing all the gold fixtures and copper wiring. Plus pilfering any funds connected to the house. There isnt any long term planning here. He still has his own place an can bail to anywhere in the world
Using said power to manipulate/bully others into paying trump for favors engorging himself more
No, and the effects have not been as noticeable as they should be because too many cowardly CEOs are too afraid of being the first to enrage the Orange Turd by passing on costs to the consumer... but that won't last too long either
I can vouch for this. The company I work for uses a ton of steel and instead of raising prices our conservative CEO has just taken the monthly bonus that each employee used to get. So while our customers are thinking " this isn't so bad" we are footing the bill by being paid less.
Only thing I can think of is if you liquidate funds or suppress them being impacted while taking bribes like that alleged $2 billion in crypto they got, they ride out everything dropping in price living the high life still, then buy up as much as they can on their way out so they own large portions of companies as they get built back up by the next generation. The laborers and will still exists, and they can build it back with these people owning more and having more say in what happens.
Otherwise... Just power. If no one can say shit about you doing anything you want whenever you want and you can treat everyone else like shit... Some people enjoy it greatly I guess.
You already have a lot of responses, but so far none have included: Trump and some of his top staff are just not that smart. He destroys soft power projection not because he has some thought-out theory about its value, but because he can't follow the effect chain through far enough to understand the benefits. He really believed Ukraine and Russia were continuing to fight because they hadn't talked to a skilled negotiator like him: the underlying geopolitics is completely beyond his grasp. He seems to genuinely believe that the spending cuts to Medicaid in his Big Bill will not make millions lose their health insurance.
There are grifters all through the administration and its outside support with the corrupt motives described by other commenters, and Trump himself is greedy and selfish, but I believe he genuinely lacks the intelligence to understand what he is destroying along the way.
The value of the dollar is down like 10% from when he took office, so most of that stock market value is the same value but more dollars needed to represent it, not real growth. The rest is mainly the AI bubble - which has nothing to do with him
Is it so hard to believe that Musk and Putin, two foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs with no loyalty or patriotism, would team up with America's most massive psychopath, and treat America as a rich, fat, lazy, vulnerable target that DESERVES to be ruthlessly and mercilessly exploited and looted?
Without a strong government to defend our nation (thanks to relentless lobbying with a fraction of their massive fortunes), it was inevitable that this would happen, as more and more billionaires meant more and more of a chance of at least some of them using their influence to literally take over the world.
1 being an ILLEGAL alien, that got his citizenship under false pretenses, plus his brother. Musk's whole family is just as messed up as he is in the head. minus his trans daughter whom he hates.
I read Bill Browder's Red Notice about how he and others went in after the fall of the USSR. It explains very well how a former superpower was picked apart and the choice bits divvied up to make some future oligarchs very very incomprehensibly rich and powerful. Granted, it was a unique situation at the time since the USSR owned everything and they attempted to "give it back to the people."
It's scary. It's not dry nonfiction. And some of the rich people he learned from, met, and has some insight on, are quite interesting in hindsight. (Ghislaine's father, and Khashoggi family come to mind off the top of my head.)
But between the monopolies and current government trying to control things (like the Tiktok deal, and taking 10% of what was it, Intel?) There's a consolidation of wealth and power happening out in the open.
just deploying the national guard as a political spectacle was enough to surpass what the "doge saved", i read on reddit its already going to cost 200million.
even though OP is highlighting some losses/tensions, NATO colonies are being conquered hard, and that buys the US empire a few more years of "appearances of existing in a dominant position". For political purposes, elections, you can point to the complete explicit subjugation of colonies as "winning". Job losses, interest rates, currency depreciation, inflation don't matter if you can point to Europe/Canada sycophants doing worse, and paying for entirety US war on Russia. Blame for everything bad goes to someone else, and success measured in relative pace of decline. Make sure no one else is allowed to speak, and third term is secured.
Seriously, I can respect someone having the opinion that you can run a country like a company, but then for their candidate to run the ‘company’ so badly
I can't. Corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders in the current quarter. Governments exist to protect the people from outside influences such as those corporations. Their goals are completely at odds. That's why every Republican president is followed by an economic downturn, because they did exactly what a corporation would do, steal from the future to increase profits in the present and then funnel those profits straight to the top.
I work in construction, and we've had no new bids come through in the past 2 weeks. That's never happened before, even during covid. I've noticed a lot less positive talk about Trump when I go into the office, though I doubt even this would be enough to make any of my coworkers reconsider their political views.
We have clients all over, and the tariffs have been a point of concern for many of them. It's gonna hit businesses hard, especially for shit that is only manufactured overseas.
i noticed our area, residential houses are bougie enough to use white american construction companies, they probably cost a ton more. and the only other POC that does construction usually caters to asian households only.
I realize it isn't technically foreign "investment", but international tourism to the USA is way down, which is having a huge impact on all the areas that rely on tourists.
...analytics company Tourism Economics... updated outlook now estimates an 8.2% decline, led by about one quarter fewer Canadians visiting the US from January to July, compared to the same period in 2024.
The World Travel and Tourism Council, a global tourism advocacy organization, projected in May that the United States will lose $12.5 billion in international visitor spending in 2025, the only country out of 184 economies the council analyzed that will see a decline this year.
Who in their right mind would go to the US? The only reason dfat (Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trace) is still categorising the USA as "Exercise normal safety precautions" is because of geopolitics.
It's wild that we rank it above other destinations.
I would choose China over the US to travel to, any day of the week, and have multiple times.
China is massively authoritarian, no doubt, but they're not going through random travellers social media posts. Even if you've posted negative things about China (watch Polymatter's video on Chinese censorship, if you're curious)
I mean, unless you're actively and famously criticising the Chinese government. In which case, probably don't travel there and be accused of being a spy or something 😅
In any case, I feel much, much safer travelling to China than the US.
And yet with nearly every story of someone's loved ones being deported, their business going bankrupt or their entire means of affording necessities being on credit,
if they supported this orange bastard before, they still do.
Seems like every story of a working class Republican voter getting fucked by Trump ends with them saying "but I still support Trump and trust things will turn around"
if they supported this orange bastard before, they still do.
He's got no meaningful opposition. It's vote for the Republican who says they love Trump. Or vote for the Cuomo-crat who says he loves Trumpism but thinks Trump is doing it wrong.
We've got two right wing parties. Their only critique of one another is that the other guy isn't business friendly enough.
Let's not be stupid and pretend for a second that the Dems and GOP are the same.
Biden and the establishment Dems are certainly corporation loving whores who are ok with atrocities so long as they make money off it. This is true.
But Biden et al didn't fundamentally end US democracy, mass revoke the rights of all US citizens, create the most well funded secret police to send minorities to concentration camps foreign and domestic, give full unrestricted support to Israel to complete the genocide and attack it's neighbors, alienate all of our allies, crash our economy nor launch the biggest domestic spy system in US history. (All of this since Jan 20th this year, BTW)
Let’s not be stupid and pretend for a second that the Dems and GOP are the same.
No, of course not. Dems rarely get any real power. They're controlled opposition.
Liberals operate as a placeholder for when plutocrats need to diffuse public outrage at the current leadership. And they are a means of temporarily gentling harsh, unpopular measures without actually removing them.
Most importantly, they're deliberately weak, incompetent, and disappointing. Merrick Garland is a great example of a modern American liberal. Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris, too.
But Biden et al didn’t fundamentally end US democracy
He ended it when he allowed his political opposition to go back to business as usual with no legal consequences. Ffs, Cruz and Hawley were glad-handing the crowd during J6. Charlie Kirk paid to bus people in - by extension making Foster Friese and Robert Mercer financially complicit in the resulting riots.
Never even mind Trump. You have a congo line of activists and financial bankers who organized a coup on the US Congress. Biden didn't do shit about them. Instead, he unleashed his attack dogs on... Columbia student protesters.
Biden ended democracy the day he walked out of his office and handed the keys to the Trump administration, fully knowing what they intended 4 years in advance.
Even if he did cheat, it was a plausible result. Roughly 50% of Americans either support him or at least are less opposed to him than they are to Kamala Harris and the democrats.
A big reason why so many other countries are pulling away from the US isn't just because Trump is the president and is tearing up treaties, etc. It's because this is the 2nd time he's been elected, and this is proof that the US can no longer be trusted. Even if say AOC wins the next election and it's 8 years of progressivism, environmentalism, monopoly busting, the rebuilding of a social safety net, great relationships with allies, etc, that doesn't mean anything. The election after that could be Eric Trump, and everything could go to shit again.
In the past elections meant a shifting of US priorities, but it still meant that the US would follow through on commitments. Now it's clear that that's no longer true, and that kind of rule-breaking is fully supported by approximately half the US.
Regardless of whether or not he was fairly elected, far, far too many people definitely did vote for him. Even when he's gone we'll still have a lot of people looking to be his successor, and a lot of people willing to support them. It's not a problem we can ignore just because there's a good chance that only 40-something percent of the country wants a fascist in charge.
there were definitely signs he actually rigged it, its just the DNC refuses to actually call them out or investigate themselves, because they allowed the right wingers to call out rigged elections for so long that if the DEMs did, it, it will confirm the right wingers that it was rigged in the first place.
I love to see this shit. I have longed for the downfall of this shithole after I saw how people acted after 9/11. The racism, the jingoism, all of it. Then the Iraq War, Patriot Act, Drone Strikes, NSA spying, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.
I truly madly deeply hate this country. And the further it falls into collapse and obscurity the better. We are the ones with 800 bases around the world. We are the ones invading sovereign nations on a whim. We wielded economic sanctions with such abandon that we necessitated the creation of a parallel international economic structure in BRICS. We're directly responsible for that. We are the ones who have been blowing up schools and hospitals not for just the last 2 years but for more than 20. We are currently and have been the bad guys for at least since the Korean War.
We should be a pariah state. We should have no financial or international relevance. Treat us the way you treat North Korea. This country deserves that and then some.
Shun and exclude us. Make deals amongst yourselves. Take care of your own house and enjoy the schadenfreude of watching ours collapse. I'm gonna enjoy it and I'm stuck having to live through it. I can't afford to leave.
It's weird that everyone talks about foreign nations dabbling in influence when Musk openly paid more than a quarter of a billion dollars and literally bought Twitter to elect Trump. One billionaire is buying up all the local TV stations. Another owns the Washington Post. Another is buying TikTok. Another controls FB and Instagram. 90% of media is controlled by 5 companies.
The dude is man that his best buddy Epstein got nabbed by America and set out to destroy it, since he can no longer be happy by fucking children and he wants the country that took away his favorite pedo time to suffer and die for it
“Look what you made me do” - Donald Trump in his mind probably
I don't care to defend the guy at all, but is there anything he's done to actually help the US economy, as in, the general public, not billionaires? Has he done anything that made the US more money?
The military under Hegseth has gone hard on removing protections from harassment, and removing women from leadership. There are a lot of people happy about frat culture being OK again, and about having less chance of reporting to a woman.
Some people who make most of their incomes from tips will see a small tax break for a few years (the billionaire tax cuts are permanent, the tipped wages cuts are temporary).
Nothing broad-based helpful, no, but people who want to find a rationalization to support him have a few niche things to point to.
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Rhaedas@fedia.io · 106 pts · 327d
We are just the next casino.
Joncash2@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 327d
I mean, no. There's a possibility of winning at a casino no matter how small. You can't win in USA because even if you bet on a factory, ICE is gonna come and rape your employees. So, no. Your odds are much much better in a casino. Hell, with what Trump is doing I'd say he makes a casino look like investing.
MrFappy@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 327d
OP means the next business which is seemingly impossible to bankrupt that Trump is succeeding in bankrupting, like his casino attempts.
grue@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 327d
And just like those casinos, it's won't be done by mere gross incompetence but because criminal Trump will subvert the entire federal government to be a front for his crimes and embezzle the entire country dry.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 326d
his casinos were purely money laundering for the russians to begin with, he had every intention to bankrupt it.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 326d
Yeah, and the Russians want the whole country bankrupted too, so he’s still just doing their bidding.
Joncash2@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 327d
Oh fair. I wouldn't trust a Trump ran casino either.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 326d
They meant that this endeavour is Trump's next "I declare bankruptcy". He did it with multiple casinos.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 326d
Trump made money on his casinos. As CEO from 2001 to 2005, Trump made about $3.2 million per year.
Trump is making money now.
Kage520@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Yep. He's like a cancer. Gets in, starts redirecting resources to service only himself, while killing the host. Only difference is he has always gotten to move on to the next host after it dies, instead of dying with it.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 327d
Insane we just allowed a Russian asset to take power and break anything he can touch.
If America still exists in 50 years people will look back at this time like we do with Nazi Germany today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 327d
Look what Germany had to go through to purge the Nazis. And it didn't even take.
That's our future. Can't happen here? That's what the citizens of Berlin, Dresden, and a whole lot of other German cities said in 1939.
grue@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 327d
That's not our future. Germany had its Nazis forcefully stripped from power by foreign armies. There is no such force coming to liberate us.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 326d
Not yet because it's only 1936 right now. The invasions haven't started yet.
We are at the Reichstag moment in history right now.
Give it a year and a half or so and see what happens.
Jikiya@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 326d
The US is un-invadable. Even if we didn't have the second biggest stockpile of nukes to defend ourselves, we have the most capable navy. There is no way anyone could get close to the US, let alone invade.
We have to pull ourselves out of this, because no one can come to save us.
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
If a large enough group of allies got together something could likely be organised to come through the Canadian border.
Probably with a shit load of Canadians added.
Jikiya@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
They couldn't, due to the aforementioned nukes, but even taking the nukes out of the equation, if the US thought Canada was going to be the staging ground for an invasion, there would be a US invasion of Canada. You could not stage all of the world's armies there in a fast enough time. To get the mass of people there that would be necessary, it would take a lot of time.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 327d
50 years? Try now today. That's how I see you guys.
A nazi regime with mostly a population that is either weak, stupid, or maliciously complacent. Or fully complicit and collaborative.
Taldan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
We're much closer to a Russian oligarchy than we are to Nazi Germany
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 326d
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 327d
I do not want to give the impression that I support this guy, but is there any evidence at all of some gains?
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't why they would willingly bankrupt this country unless theyre just betting against us and look to take full control. I'm not sure what the value of controlling a derelict former superpower country would be.
It's like vandalizing a fantastic house to drive the value down and then moving in. Great, you own a piece of shit that was once special but is no more.
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 58 pts · 327d
There are three primary factors at play here.
Trump’s greed and need to line his own pockets. He will wreck entire economic sectors to add another billion (in bribe money) to his accounts.
Rich benefactors wanting more. They stay rich regardless of what the economy does, and have a ton of liquid. If it crashes, they can buy so much more of it up for themselves.
Foreign actors looking to upset US hegemony. They don’t have to go to war, they don’t have to fight economic battles…just incentivize the right people to do the wrong things at home in the US, and we destroy ourselves. It’s cheap and easy for them.
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 327d
It's #2, first and foremost.
Tank everything so the rich can consolidate their power.
We know billionaires, they'll bitch and moan when their profits haven't increased as much as they increased last year. They wouldn't support Trump for his own gains or to appease a foreign agency for any amount of downturn. But to spend money on changing the rules and consolidating power, well, they haven't spent billions lobbying the government for fun.
ape_arms@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 327d
This was my take, at least with the soybean thing. Family farms go belly up. Big AG is there to buy up the land for pennies.
stopdropandprole@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 327d
JD Vance is an investor in a startup that does precisely that. - Acre Trader
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 327d
Before putting Trump into the Oval Office, Brexit was hailed as Putins biggest victory over the west. We are losing left and right to his manipulations and all our governments stick their fingers into their ears.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 327d
Meme about China is "do nothing, win". They do not have significant diminishment influence operations in US. There is more of a natural disgust with our oppression.
Aquila@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 327d
Take your pick
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 327d
The rich can afford to take an economic hit and are willing to do so for more power and control.
MML@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 327d
More?
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 327d
Line. Must. Go.
UP.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Married a billionaire. There is no amount of control that will make them happy.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 327d
No, and the effects have not been as noticeable as they should be because too many cowardly CEOs are too afraid of being the first to enrage the Orange Turd by passing on costs to the consumer... but that won't last too long either
JiveTurkey@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 327d
I can vouch for this. The company I work for uses a ton of steel and instead of raising prices our conservative CEO has just taken the monthly bonus that each employee used to get. So while our customers are thinking " this isn't so bad" we are footing the bill by being paid less.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 327d
Only thing I can think of is if you liquidate funds or suppress them being impacted while taking bribes like that alleged $2 billion in crypto they got, they ride out everything dropping in price living the high life still, then buy up as much as they can on their way out so they own large portions of companies as they get built back up by the next generation. The laborers and will still exists, and they can build it back with these people owning more and having more say in what happens.
Otherwise... Just power. If no one can say shit about you doing anything you want whenever you want and you can treat everyone else like shit... Some people enjoy it greatly I guess.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 326d
You already have a lot of responses, but so far none have included: Trump and some of his top staff are just not that smart. He destroys soft power projection not because he has some thought-out theory about its value, but because he can't follow the effect chain through far enough to understand the benefits. He really believed Ukraine and Russia were continuing to fight because they hadn't talked to a skilled negotiator like him: the underlying geopolitics is completely beyond his grasp. He seems to genuinely believe that the spending cuts to Medicaid in his Big Bill will not make millions lose their health insurance.
There are grifters all through the administration and its outside support with the corrupt motives described by other commenters, and Trump himself is greedy and selfish, but I believe he genuinely lacks the intelligence to understand what he is destroying along the way.
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 327d
Wall street seems to be doing okay. Slower growth, but line keeps going up
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 327d
The value of the dollar is down like 10% from when he took office, so most of that stock market value is the same value but more dollars needed to represent it, not real growth. The rest is mainly the AI bubble - which has nothing to do with him
the_q@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 327d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 327d
Is it so hard to believe that Musk and Putin, two foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs with no loyalty or patriotism, would team up with America's most massive psychopath, and treat America as a rich, fat, lazy, vulnerable target that DESERVES to be ruthlessly and mercilessly exploited and looted?
Without a strong government to defend our nation (thanks to relentless lobbying with a fraction of their massive fortunes), it was inevitable that this would happen, as more and more billionaires meant more and more of a chance of at least some of them using their influence to literally take over the world.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 326d
1 being an ILLEGAL alien, that got his citizenship under false pretenses, plus his brother. Musk's whole family is just as messed up as he is in the head. minus his trans daughter whom he hates.
ericatty@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 326d
I read Bill Browder's Red Notice about how he and others went in after the fall of the USSR. It explains very well how a former superpower was picked apart and the choice bits divvied up to make some future oligarchs very very incomprehensibly rich and powerful. Granted, it was a unique situation at the time since the USSR owned everything and they attempted to "give it back to the people."
It's scary. It's not dry nonfiction. And some of the rich people he learned from, met, and has some insight on, are quite interesting in hindsight. (Ghislaine's father, and Khashoggi family come to mind off the top of my head.)
But between the monopolies and current government trying to control things (like the Tiktok deal, and taking 10% of what was it, Intel?) There's a consolidation of wealth and power happening out in the open.
MacGuffin94@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
They are generating revenue from the tariffs but it is not enough to offset the tax cuts and will decrease over time as there are fewer imports.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 326d
just deploying the national guard as a political spectacle was enough to surpass what the "doge saved", i read on reddit its already going to cost 200million.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 327d
They don't need to run the world, they only need to run America. It's really that simple. Oh and also Krasnov is a foreign agent.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 327d
even though OP is highlighting some losses/tensions, NATO colonies are being conquered hard, and that buys the US empire a few more years of "appearances of existing in a dominant position". For political purposes, elections, you can point to the complete explicit subjugation of colonies as "winning". Job losses, interest rates, currency depreciation, inflation don't matter if you can point to Europe/Canada sycophants doing worse, and paying for entirety US war on Russia. Blame for everything bad goes to someone else, and success measured in relative pace of decline. Make sure no one else is allowed to speak, and third term is secured.
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -5 pts · 327d
Seriously, I can respect someone having the opinion that you can run a country like a company, but then for their candidate to run the ‘company’ so badly
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 327d
I can't. Corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders in the current quarter. Governments exist to protect the people from outside influences such as those corporations. Their goals are completely at odds. That's why every Republican president is followed by an economic downturn, because they did exactly what a corporation would do, steal from the future to increase profits in the present and then funnel those profits straight to the top.
Signtist@bookwyr.me · 36 pts · 327d
I work in construction, and we've had no new bids come through in the past 2 weeks. That's never happened before, even during covid. I've noticed a lot less positive talk about Trump when I go into the office, though I doubt even this would be enough to make any of my coworkers reconsider their political views.
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 327d
It's just teams at this point. Trump is just the quarterback that they're bitching about this season, they're not switching teams over it.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
I want to compare Trump to DeSean Watson, but that's unfair to Watson.
Wahots@pawb.social · 7 pts · 327d
We have clients all over, and the tariffs have been a point of concern for many of them. It's gonna hit businesses hard, especially for shit that is only manufactured overseas.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 326d
i noticed our area, residential houses are bougie enough to use white american construction companies, they probably cost a ton more. and the only other POC that does construction usually caters to asian households only.
osugi_sakae@midwest.social · 31 pts · 326d
I realize it isn't technically foreign "investment", but international tourism to the USA is way down, which is having a huge impact on all the areas that rely on tourists.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/31/travel/international-tourist-decline-united-states
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 326d
That article is sobering. Bolding is mine.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Who in their right mind would go to the US? The only reason dfat (Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trace) is still categorising the USA as "Exercise normal safety precautions" is because of geopolitics.
It's wild that we rank it above other destinations.
I would choose China over the US to travel to, any day of the week, and have multiple times.
China is massively authoritarian, no doubt, but they're not going through random travellers social media posts. Even if you've posted negative things about China (watch Polymatter's video on Chinese censorship, if you're curious)
I mean, unless you're actively and famously criticising the Chinese government. In which case, probably don't travel there and be accused of being a spy or something 😅
In any case, I feel much, much safer travelling to China than the US.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 326d
as a european i can confirm almost everyone from all political spectrums says itms stupid to travel to the us atm
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 326d
And yet with nearly every story of someone's loved ones being deported, their business going bankrupt or their entire means of affording necessities being on credit,
if they supported this orange bastard before, they still do.
Seems like every story of a working class Republican voter getting fucked by Trump ends with them saying "but I still support Trump and trust things will turn around"
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Maybe his 'supporters' but not 'everyone that voted for him'.
Of the millions that voted, we don't really hear the voice one way or the other from most of those people.
For those that vocally supported him before, the thought of "I told you so" is so abhorrent they'd rather be all in than hear that sentiment.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
He's got no meaningful opposition. It's vote for the Republican who says they love Trump. Or vote for the Cuomo-crat who says he loves Trumpism but thinks Trump is doing it wrong.
We've got two right wing parties. Their only critique of one another is that the other guy isn't business friendly enough.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Let's not be stupid and pretend for a second that the Dems and GOP are the same.
Biden and the establishment Dems are certainly corporation loving whores who are ok with atrocities so long as they make money off it. This is true.
But Biden et al didn't fundamentally end US democracy, mass revoke the rights of all US citizens, create the most well funded secret police to send minorities to concentration camps foreign and domestic, give full unrestricted support to Israel to complete the genocide and attack it's neighbors, alienate all of our allies, crash our economy nor launch the biggest domestic spy system in US history. (All of this since Jan 20th this year, BTW)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
No, of course not. Dems rarely get any real power. They're controlled opposition.
Liberals operate as a placeholder for when plutocrats need to diffuse public outrage at the current leadership. And they are a means of temporarily gentling harsh, unpopular measures without actually removing them.
Most importantly, they're deliberately weak, incompetent, and disappointing. Merrick Garland is a great example of a modern American liberal. Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris, too.
He ended it when he allowed his political opposition to go back to business as usual with no legal consequences. Ffs, Cruz and Hawley were glad-handing the crowd during J6. Charlie Kirk paid to bus people in - by extension making Foster Friese and Robert Mercer financially complicit in the resulting riots.
Never even mind Trump. You have a congo line of activists and financial bankers who organized a coup on the US Congress. Biden didn't do shit about them. Instead, he unleashed his attack dogs on... Columbia student protesters.
Biden ended democracy the day he walked out of his office and handed the keys to the Trump administration, fully knowing what they intended 4 years in advance.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 327d
Hyundai capitulated.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-plant-hyundai-ev-expansion-ice-raid/
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 326d
they have too many billions invested already. the question is how they are going to force koreans to come the states.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Pay them with a lot of American free speech.
ericatty@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 326d
Maybe spend the money to send US workers to Korean factories to train them?
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 13 pts · 327d
Everything just keeps getting more expensive.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 326d
Maybe Qatar should not give him that plane now
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 326d
I'm pretty sure it's a brick and they just want to be rid of it.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space · 4 pts · 326d
I'd say "White Elephant", but yeah...they've been trying to sell it for years.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Oh definitely. But that would be the greater kick in the teeth though if they’re truly angry.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 326d
It was a white elephant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
A trojan
horsewhite elephant.n0respect@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 326d
They stopped caring about a strong economy and low prices. Now it is about America First, and has Always been about America First.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 326d
Under no measurement does it seem that America is first.
krunklom@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 326d
Under the "rich people making a lot of money and being above the law" they are definitely first.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 326d
First to the bottom! (And now digging!)
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 7 pts · 326d
And by America first. They want to fall first and fastest.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 327d
Trump is why America can't have nice things
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 327d
Americans are why America can’t have nice things.
It’s not like he stole the presidency. He got elected.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 327d
Not convinced that they didn’t cheat.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 326d
Even if he did cheat, it was a plausible result. Roughly 50% of Americans either support him or at least are less opposed to him than they are to Kamala Harris and the democrats.
A big reason why so many other countries are pulling away from the US isn't just because Trump is the president and is tearing up treaties, etc. It's because this is the 2nd time he's been elected, and this is proof that the US can no longer be trusted. Even if say AOC wins the next election and it's 8 years of progressivism, environmentalism, monopoly busting, the rebuilding of a social safety net, great relationships with allies, etc, that doesn't mean anything. The election after that could be Eric Trump, and everything could go to shit again.
In the past elections meant a shifting of US priorities, but it still meant that the US would follow through on commitments. Now it's clear that that's no longer true, and that kind of rule-breaking is fully supported by approximately half the US.
JawnZ@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 327d
o rly?
Signtist@bookwyr.me · 2 pts · 327d
Regardless of whether or not he was fairly elected, far, far too many people definitely did vote for him. Even when he's gone we'll still have a lot of people looking to be his successor, and a lot of people willing to support them. It's not a problem we can ignore just because there's a good chance that only 40-something percent of the country wants a fascist in charge.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 326d
there were definitely signs he actually rigged it, its just the DNC refuses to actually call them out or investigate themselves, because they allowed the right wingers to call out rigged elections for so long that if the DEMs did, it, it will confirm the right wingers that it was rigged in the first place.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 9 pts · 327d
Gestures at 50+ years of imperialist, racist and anti-worker politics.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 327d
Fucking wish Australia had just said to the yes to the French submarine deal we already signed instead of buying a bunch of virgin boomers.
threatcat@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 327d
You mean the defense contractor that suffered two data breaches that leaked weapons system capabilities and source code?
Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Still better than the defense contractor owned by the Russians
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 326d
More importantly, why does Australia need submarines? In case it decides to invade its biggest trade partner at the behest of America?
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 326d
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 327d
"tRuMp iS bEtTeR fOr ThE eCoNoMy!"
Laser@feddit.org · 13 pts · 327d
Oh, he is very good for his own economy.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 326d
It's econo-me, not econo-we.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 326d
I love to see this shit. I have longed for the downfall of this shithole after I saw how people acted after 9/11. The racism, the jingoism, all of it. Then the Iraq War, Patriot Act, Drone Strikes, NSA spying, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.
I truly madly deeply hate this country. And the further it falls into collapse and obscurity the better. We are the ones with 800 bases around the world. We are the ones invading sovereign nations on a whim. We wielded economic sanctions with such abandon that we necessitated the creation of a parallel international economic structure in BRICS. We're directly responsible for that. We are the ones who have been blowing up schools and hospitals not for just the last 2 years but for more than 20. We are currently and have been the bad guys for at least since the Korean War.
We should be a pariah state. We should have no financial or international relevance. Treat us the way you treat North Korea. This country deserves that and then some.
Shun and exclude us. Make deals amongst yourselves. Take care of your own house and enjoy the schadenfreude of watching ours collapse. I'm gonna enjoy it and I'm stuck having to live through it. I can't afford to leave.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 326d
The older I get, the more I realize.
Doomers are bad people.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 325d
who let this nut case out of his padded room?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 326d
hes doing what is told by PUTIN to him. make USA too weak, to help ukraine.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 326d
Don't blame American losers on Russians. Russians didn't vote for Trump, Americans did.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 326d
I'm pretty certain that Russia, China and probably some others too had a huge influence on forming public opinions.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space · 4 pts · 326d
It's weird that everyone talks about foreign nations dabbling in influence when Musk openly paid more than a quarter of a billion dollars and literally bought Twitter to elect Trump. One billionaire is buying up all the local TV stations. Another owns the Washington Post. Another is buying TikTok. Another controls FB and Instagram. 90% of media is controlled by 5 companies.
The fascism is coming from inside the house.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Why cant it be both?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
Because Americans have all the money and the property. It's a $25T/year economy.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space · -2 pts · 326d
You're focusing on the mouse instead of the elephant.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Am I? You don't know anything about me.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
But that's not was this comment thread was about
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
They sure campaigned for him
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 326d
"voted"
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
But russian leadership helped convince the American losers to vote for trump
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
For every dollar a Russian spent, there's an American conservative who spent $1000.
TPUSA was dropping $85M/year on conservative activism, channeled through a hodgepodge of home grown reactionary billionaires.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
So russia had better bang for the buck! They both still fucked up the us
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
How can anyone looking at Russia circa 2015 compared to Russia circa 2025 think that?
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Strictly speaking on the russians interference? I'd say that russia more fully bought the us leadership this time
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 326d
How many Russians are in the Trump cabinet?
How many Wall Street bankers? How many Silicon Valley Techbros.
4am@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 327d
The dude is man that his best buddy Epstein got nabbed by America and set out to destroy it, since he can no longer be happy by fucking children and he wants the country that took away his favorite pedo time to suffer and die for it
“Look what you made me do” - Donald Trump in his mind probably
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
Is there any evidence that Qatar has formally pulled its pledge of $1+ trillion investment in the US? I couldn't find anything to support that.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 327d
Sources?
Scolding7300@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Paywall.
C1pher@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Art of the deal.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Barely anyone cares. Retarded conservatives don't care when you point out their hypocrisy or dedication to a incompetent leader.
Democratic Establishment doesn't care they just want you to donate and vote to their campaign.
Campist Leftists don't care about the well being of the US economy.
Most normies probably don't even know about half of this.
Maybe 10% of the US population cares, and they're the ones posting stuff like this on social media to each other.
Henson@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 326d
Look on the bright side! Soy products must be cheap in usa now ?
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Maybe we can have a soy dictatorship the way others use cheap domestic oil to entice support /s
southrydge@lemdro.id · 2 pts · 327d
I don't care to defend the guy at all, but is there anything he's done to actually help the US economy, as in, the general public, not billionaires? Has he done anything that made the US more money?
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 326d
The military under Hegseth has gone hard on removing protections from harassment, and removing women from leadership. There are a lot of people happy about frat culture being OK again, and about having less chance of reporting to a woman.
Some people who make most of their incomes from tips will see a small tax break for a few years (the billionaire tax cuts are permanent, the tipped wages cuts are temporary).
Nothing broad-based helpful, no, but people who want to find a rationalization to support him have a few niche things to point to.
southrydge@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 326d
sighs okay
Strider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Why do you think it was the wrong direction? Depends whom it was for.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
I guess it’s all someone else’s to gain.
DanVctr@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
And yet the stock market keeps breaking all time highs
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
Counterpoint.
merc@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 326d
"incase" isn't a word.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Pedantic is, though.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 326d
Yep, if only there were more of us.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Pedants? No thanks, maybe just shut the hell up.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
Nah.
pyre@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 326d
this is a terrible typeface for more than like 4 words. you want to post text you should use a more legible typeface.