China Has Reportedly Built Its First EUV Machine Prototype, Marking a Semiconductor Breakthrough the U.S. Has Feared All Along

That's just the imperialists telling on themselves. They don't consider what is Taiwan's as Taiwan's, but as being made exclusively for the US' benefit.

These machines are made only here. They are owned by a company in the Netherlands, though.

That's not true, the reason why Taiwan is so far ahead is because of the US and the contributions from LLNL. That's part of how they've been able to force ASML to not sell to China.

Using shorter and shorter wavelengths of light to etch chips with a higher density of transistors.

I wonder what the next generation will be called...EUV-2TM (EUV-2 THE MAX) or SEUV (Super EUV) perhaps?

And the nations Press Secretary to the President did a degree on a softball scholarship. Fusion power imminent!

Average East-Asian news cycle:

China: “We are preventing the export of rare earth minerals to strengthen our country.”

US: “We are imposing tariffs to strengthen our economy.”

Japan: “22-year-old undergraduate turns a leaf into a battery.”

What was the Japanese breakthrough? Got a link?

so, no jetpacks?

I mean if every headline about massive breakthroughs was the full truth all our appliances would be powered by tiny nuclear power plants and we would fly around with our jetpack. Cancer would be but a distant memory and world hunger a non issue because vertical farms would be literally in every home.

I'm from the school of "capitalism stops progress when there's not profit to be made".

So all these things could have come true if someone didn't stop them because they were going to lose money.

The EU does not have the military capacity to protect Taiwan.

That's not mentioning that the EU is not a military alliance. That's the first political challenge to tackle.

Anyhow, the channel ‘Asianometry’, has a video covering the physics of EUV machines. They are an incredible linchpin of our modern world.

So true. This stuff is absolutely mind-blowing. Especially if you are old enough to remember how some of that seemed like almost unsurmountable problems. Now the solution are used in mass production.

In the meanwhile, EU also have to focus on manufacturing of the chips themselves in the long run, instead of depending on a 20 million nation.

This above all things. The number of inputs required to build a microchips is insane. There are probably 2 to 3 thousand separate vendors who are part of this process all of which produce highly specialized products. Not to mention the fact that all silicon used to produce chips is currently mined in a single quarry in South Carolina.

China might be able to make a fab, but the inputs required to make chips are too diverse for any single nation to build 3 or 4 nm chips at scale by themselves.

Given how the US has become more and more isolated as it turns hostile towards immigrants and what is called the Global South, of course the Mainland Chinese will befriend and establish trading deals with any country alienated by Trump. Like, for example, Taliban Afghanistan's mineral deposits.

Nations can't be determined.

Anyway. Yes, but there's nuance, China is not heaven on earth.

Cutting edge chip making is several different processes all stacked together. The nations that are roughly aligned with the western capitalist order have split up responsibilities across many, many different parts of this, among many different companies with global presence.

The fabrication itself needs to tie together several different processes controlled by different companies. TSMC in Taiwan is the current dominant fab company, but it's not like there isn't a wave of companies closely behind them (Intel in the US, Samsung in South Korea).

There's the chip design itself. Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, and a bunch of other ARM licensees are designing chips, sometimes with the help of ARM itself. Many of these leaders are still American companies developing the design in American offices. ARM is British. Samsung is South Korean.

Then there's the actual equipment used in the fabs. The Dutch company ASML is the most famous, as they have a huge lead on the competition in manufacturing photolithography machines (although old Japanese competitors like Nikon and Canon want to get back in the game). But there are a lot of other companies specializing in specific equipment found in those labs. The Japanese company Tokyo Electron and the American companies Applied Materials and Lam Research, are in almost every fab in the West.

Once the silicon is fabricated, the actual packaging of that silicon into the little black packages to be soldered onto boards is a bunch of other steps with different companies specializing in different processes relevant to that.

Plus advanced logic chips aren't the only type of chips out there. There are analog or signal processing chips, or power chips, or other useful sensor chips for embedded applications, where companies like Texas Instruments dominate on less cutting edge nodes, and memory/storage chips, where the market is dominated by 3 companies, South Korean Samsung and SK Hynix, and American company Micron.

TSMC is only one of several, standing on a tightly integrated ecosystem that it depends on. It also isn't limited to only being located in Taiwan, as they own fabs that are starting production in the US, Japan, and Germany.

China is working at trying to replace literally every part of the chain in domestic manufacturing. Some parts are easier than others to replace, but trying to insource the whole thing is going to be expensive, inefficient, and risky. Time will tell whether those costs and risks are worth it, but there's by no means a guarantee that they can succeed.

Have Intel and Samsung stopped making chips recently?

If China invades Taiwan then that's WW3

China's not going to invade anything, popular support for peaceful reunification is higher than ever and the US is giving Taiwan and the rest of the world new reasons to distance themselves from us all the time. All China has to do is sit back and watch as we voluntarily shit the bed, they'll get Taiwan and probably more with no sanctions or bloodshed.

And even then, it'll need to be commerically viable to compete with the West.

Well, unless they invaded Taiwan...

All they have to do is to make it good enough and cheap enough to commodotize the product which will flood the market and push the most advanced but expensive tech to the side.

Given enough time and an enormous budget it’s inevitable any determined organization could make it.

This kind of milestone isn't reachable by most countries in the world mostly because of the price tag attached to it

wrong post :)

Long time ago that was true.

Still doesnt mean that they built this well enough yet, but they are building alot of things that actually works right now.

China has made massive breakthroughs. In chips, SMIC/Huawei are advancing impressively in terms of products, but it is unclear how good yields/costs are, even if they are shipping commercial products.

Still, this PR does give hints that this is Garage hacked EUV with cannibalized parts they cannot make yet, and 4 year time scale is far out enough. There was PR of EUV breakthrough this spring too, and don't recall if this claim is additional advancement over that.

Delusional, pure cope