This is not okay

Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.

holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium

To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?

And how would they react if protestors for Renee Good waved that slogan on a sign about ICE?

I don't understand why people would even be debating that.

if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that's not debatable, that's just the way it is.

If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good's driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.

It's kinda depressing honestly.

Attacking how communication is done instead of what's being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they've let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.

That's a false dichotomy: it's possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.

Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.

What violence against ICE?

Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that's what I now I had to do.

But then I see that it isn't true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn't be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?

It's fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you're making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn't be an issue.

I'm inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.

The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD's in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.

And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn't lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.

If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.

Before January, I couldn't find a single use of that phrase on the internet.

But it's not some dog whistle, it's blatantly obvious what they're saying. Don't let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.

Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just "in the spirit" of how the Nazis did their war crimes.

https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kristi-noem-dhs-podium-phrase-sparks-nazi-slogan-claimsheres-what-it-means-1770556

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre

Good message. I agree.

However, their message is still abhorrent

Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo... Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.

"This post which makes untrue claims isn't misinformation because it's heart is in the right place"

Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views

And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior

Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls

I understood that reference. Still cracks me up. What machine did he think they were raging against?

Found Paul Ryan's lurk account

that's not socialism

It’s wild what they’ll put up with until you realize that they’re simply trying to pretend like it’s only the start so they don’t need to actually do anything about it yet.

They could be personally being stabbed and they’ll still say “ohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad I’m gunna be so cool and badass about this”.

Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. 😅

Believing something that confirms your biases without scrutiny, even though it's easily determined to be false, why am I not surprised?

Of course they did, they're all dumb

Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we'll educated citizens won't vote for fascists, they won't listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won't vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.

Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.

So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they're doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.

I'd feel sad for them if they weren't so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?

Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.

Her sentiment is clear.

Well this is disingenuous as fuck.

"She didn't say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!"

If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.

AskHistorians discussion

The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is "highly unlikely".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending liars and a$$holes. But it's not useful to misquote without sources.

All the shit they say about their opponents, and I'm supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?

I don't fucking care, spread the story.

If it looks and acts like a duck it's a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you're worried about the origin of the phrase.

Not misleading or false, and doesn't say anywhere that it was said aloud but quoted. Making those words on your podium counts as quoting.

It was a nazi modus operandi. You're splitting hairs in the face of enormity.

https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins

You're my hero. Thank you!

Lidice, Czech Republic, I think.