A website dedicated to naming ICE and Border Patrol employees is coming under a “prolonged and sophisticated” cyber attack after the Daily Beast revealed it planned to make public 4,500 names of federal immigration staff.
The founder of ICE List said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web traffic originating in Russia after the Beast reported that a huge cache of personal IDs had been leaked to the site by an alleged Department of Homeland Security whistleblower.
The Direct Denial of Service (DDOS) assault, which began on Tuesday evening and is still ongoing at the time of publication, saw a huge number of IPs simultaneously access the website of ICE List, a self-styled “accountability initiative.”
This has successfully overloaded the ICE List’s servers and is preventing people from accessing the site. The timing coincided with ICE List founder Dominick Skinner telling the Daily Beast he would make public the first tranche of names in the dataset, which was leaked following the shooting by an ICE agent of mom Renee Nicole Good.
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the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 324 pts · 224d
Make a torrent and it will be on the internet forever.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 69 pts · 224d
Given how small a dataset it is, in addition tona torrent it can also be shared in an ever growing list of Mega links.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 223d
Ideally in different rar with different passwords to generate different hashes
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 19 pts · 224d
That doesn't seem to be what they want, and they are sending a bunch of flying monkeys after everyone that asks for it.
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca · -18 pts · 224d
If it's small could it be incorporated in the Bitcoin blockchain?
fishos@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 224d
Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. No one wants the blockchain.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 224d
It's not entirely a stupid idea.
Block-chains are an append-only ledger where each block includes a cryptographic hash of the previous block, where new blocks are accepted by quorum across all independent nodes. The only way to fuck with the ledger to erase history would be to either exploit an undisclosed flaw in the cryptographic hash, or have enough nodes to convince the every other node that their version of history is wrong and that this fake version of history is the only truth.
Burning an undisclosed cryptographic vulnerability for this would be an extremely stupid (but plausible) idea that would make the vulnerability worthless to them in the future. Even if they didn't have to burn a vulnerability to break the block-chain's system of trust by rewriting history, they just proved that bitcoin is untrustworthy—which would immediately destroy its financial value.
What might actually be even better, though, is that multimillionaires, billionaires, and the United States government itself hold a bunch of cryptocurrency. The former for investment/tax evasion/laundering, and the latter in seized assets. On top of that, many criminals and hostile foreign governments hold Bitcoin, too.
Encoding the list in the Etherium or Bitcoin block-chains would make removing it extremely self-destructive for the fascists who don't want the list to be public. It becomes a lose-lose situation for them.
A bittorrent magnet link or IPFS would be less wasteful, but they lack the self-destructive disincentive that would make them think twice about even trying to stop it.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 10 pts · 224d
Or you could just use a magnet link to circulate the torrent and use the DHT as your "block chain". No need to add more moving parts...
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 224d
Or do all of the above? It ain't limited to one choice.
Entangling the destruction of the list with the destruction of cryptocurrency itself isn't a bad thing either. If they impulsively destroy the value of bitcoin, they hurt the people whos opinions they actually care about: the 0.01%.
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 224d
There are much simpler ways to ensure data integrity without resorting to blockchain.
All we need to do is simply put this out as a torrent and provide a hash. That's it. Easy.
At 51% attack cannot succeed if you're not using blockchain to begin with. So why take the risk?
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 223d
As I said in both my original comment and my follow-up replies to other people, the point is to create a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation which would have real consequences for trying to suppress. With bittorrent and IPFS, there's zero consequences for them to try other than wasting their time and own money.
The correct approach is to use all 3 for redundancy.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 224d
Except the 51% owner of the block chain can overwrite the ledger and billionaires and hostile governments have all of the computers to do it. This has already happened multiple times with smaller coins IIRC.
Block chain is essentially just the techbro version of capitalism (not an alternative, a recreation). If there are distributed companies and enough competition, the system works pretty well, but when everything centralizes as has inevitably happened everywhere, the rules all get thrown away.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 223d
I mentioned that, and yes, that's the point. If they do that, they destroy trust in it. If they destroy trust in it, they destroy its value. The people they actually care about—the multimillionaires and billionaires—hold some as part of their portfolios and are going to be very unhappy about that.
It's a lose-lose scenario. They either leave it up, or they make an enemy out of their backers.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 223d
Someone who hates blockchains should be pushing for this destruction. Clearly these visceral responses are not based on logic.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 223d
THANK YOU. You get it.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 223d
If you put it on IPFS, there's a chance that it wouldn't be reachable anyway; it's been going downhill for a while. I tried some projects with it a year ago, and the results were not inspiring.
A magnet would be good, fast and easy, hell, just giving people the list and writing, keep a copy of this in case it ever disappears off the net, would work pretty well.
The problem I see is that the list needs to be mutable. That wiki is there to accept crowd-sourced help. Simply making it accessible to the masses makes it a target.
It needs to be resilient, multi-homed, easily hosted, accessible by the masses, but managed only by the organizers. A blockchain-based DB could handle a lot of that, but new information still needs to be added in a way that makes it impossible to decoy. The front end needs to be easy to access and easy to edit. Some form of list-of-lists approach with new keys to add/remove data.
It would be overkill for this project, but building a blockchain-backed, secure, distributed, and anonymous document store wouldn't be the worst thing until the worst people started using it for bad things. Learn from IPFS's index failings.
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 224d
Wow I love the downvotes at the mere mention of the blockchain, but for once it would be useful to have a self replicating, far spreading and impossible for anyone to delete completely dataset. But yay at least people have an instant repulsive reaction to bitcoin lol
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 223d
If you want to go for the record, mention AI too. and include an EM dash and some emoji. Lemmy has some phobias. I'd say it's all rightly found apprehension, but they take it personally if it looks like anything came from AI.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 223d
it's a list of names and their linked in addresses and their images when available. I suspect they just scraped linkedin for anyone that put it in their profile, but it could have been more. There's another section with images of cars being used. and a section to crowdsource identifying images and tying them to names.
The people who made it still have the data and could release it tons of ways. The point behind the wiki was to probably to make a living db, allowing crowdsourcing and families outing them which will alwyas be vulnerable to even the most hamfisted attacks.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 224d
Every solution is a hammer isn't it?
I broke my toe last week, how can Blockchain help with that?
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 216 pts · 224d
That's not was DDOS means: Distributed Denial of Service
...meaning it comes from so many different sources its very hard to block.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 81 pts · 224d
It's the daily beast, would not be surprised if the article was AI hallucinated based on a few tweets or something
nialv7@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 224d
Is it possible to filter posts by url on lemmy? I don't want to see more daily beast slop...
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 224d
The reason I used Daily Beast was because I was looking for info on Icelist earlier today to see if there was any news on what happened ... and Daily Beast was the only site that had up-to-date info.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 224d
AI doesn’t know that.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 224d
It's a common acronym. This isn't the kind of thing an LLM would screw up, in my experience, I'd put my money on human error for this one.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 224d
Ding ding ding
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 220d
Settle down, Hector.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 224d
People are getting dumber about computers, not smarter. You heard it here first.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 224d
No, I’ve known this for a long time. When I was a kid I was conscripted into doing tech support for my older relatives. Now my generation is doing tech support for the younger generations.
When my generation dies it’ll kick off a post-apocalyptic future where people have to rediscover how all this technology works.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 224d
Or having to teach them how to write and debug code in COBOL.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 224d
I agree about people getting dumber about computers, but sadly you're not the first to say it.
I see it in my IT work everyday. It makes for some good job security, but I wonder what happens when the last of us that know how to work the dark magics shuffle off our mortal coil.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 224d
Then the AI overlords’ takeover will be complete. Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 224d
In an ideal world, as they see your knowledge is harder and harder to replace, they'll start paying more for it, and that will hopefully be encouraging enough to the current workforce to learn the skills.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 224d
This is true and happens to me.
Here's the challenge. Someone new that doesn't have the skills that is enticed by the money has to make two evaluations:
For me to learn the skill wasn't difficult because is it was modern and contemporary technology at the time. Training and support resources existed, and I was able to incrementally learn how those older technologies continued to evolve or be accommodated as new technologies arrived to replace them, but then didn't. That won't be the case for someone new. They can't even use the old training material I used (assuming it was even still around) because that was written assuming the technology pervasive and well supported while the opposite is true today.
As for marketability, this is an even larger gamble. Many of these technologies should have been retired decades ago, but weren't for a variety of niche reasons. No organizations are putting out new deployments of these old technologies. The customer base/employers wanting these skills decrease every year as old legacy systems are finally retired leaving even fewer opportunities for a new person to exercise these newly acquired old skills. Its a fact that someday there will be no users of them, but when will that be? It should have happened already so what new worker would want to try and gamble on going into extensive learning on technologies that should be dead by the time they master them?
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 224d
Oh, if you're talking about outdated technology as well, then that definitely gets harder.
They might have to face the decision to at least redo it with modern tech as these people are at least willing to learn that.
Or it could go like COBOL where the change is just so insurmountable, at least some jobs might exist for a very long time.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 220d
The problem that kept COBOL around for so long was financial institutions refusing to invest in new IT. They saw it as a cost center and not as a potential source of revenue.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 224d
All of us who grew up as computers became mainstream had to learn how to use them and troubleshoot things, we also got to grow up as it was maturing.
These newer generations are handed tablets with apps and that's it, and all the apps they want to use are focused around tiny attention spans and how to manipulate them.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 224d
Well, back in OOUUURRRRR DAYYYYY, the only computer was Windows and nothing ran until we edited the AUTOEXEC.BAT just to find out the .dll our sneakernet shareware software installed munged up the TCP/IP stack and we had to spend two hours and find the Windows install media to remove and replace it and THEN it would work until we installed something else.
And we LIKED it that way! We loved it!
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 224d
I remember back in the day in my highschool computer science class, altering the autoexec.bat to mess with the next student in fun ways. Nothing that would stop them, but simply give them pause.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 224d
I had to learn how to navigate Windows 3.0 using keyboard commands with no screen. I had to fix the resolution when I set it too high and the display was a 4 pixel tall line across the screen. Way back before preview and accept changes existed.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 224d
Same as with cars. Everyone just wants to press a button and go.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 224d
It sounds to me like a simple region block would do the trick nicely. It's not like this website is intended for a Russian audience so block them all and be done with it.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 224d
The article literakky says "a huge number of IPs". Do you have more information?
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 223d
I gave the proper definition of the acronym where the article did not. I'm not making commentary on the article topic.
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 223d
Sorry I misread your comment.
You are right, this definition is wrong.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
No worries!
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 98 pts · 224d
Oh noes. So horrible that there are no other ways this can be disseminated and I am SURE the organizers aren't looking into those at all.
I guess the more interesting question is.. is this putin or is it just a black hat for hire working out of russia?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 224d
I have good money on it being a "friend" of Pooty-Poot's who wants to squash resistance to ICE. Possibly someone who's in a position of power. Possibly someone who's a demented rapist felon and a pathological liar.
SARGE@startrek.website · 7 pts · 224d
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 224d
Does Putin want fascism or civil war in the US?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 224d
Trying to get into the mind of a deranged fascist is a futile effort at the best of times.
But my speculation? He understands that trump is a real shit asset. Way too impulsive and he is rapidly reaching the point where even video of him sucking off bill clinton won't make a difference (and, thus, won't be a threat). And putin is competing with all the other people pulling trump's strings who don't need to get on a plane to intimidate him.
So either way works. The point is to negate the US as a threat (either by turning us into an ally or letting us murder each other) and, as a result, negate NATO as a threat. Because most of NATO aren't fucking lunatics who put a massive percentage of one of the largest GPDs in the world into a standing military. WE were the army of NATO. And... yeah.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 224d
I was thinking something like if he wants fascism, then helping prevent this doxing makes sense. If he wants civil war, then do nothing and let the list get out.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 224d
Yes
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -9 pts · 224d
If they were interested in actually distributing this they would have just sent a CSV file of the entire list out and the whole list would be floating around social media already. This is a fucking scam.
wuffah@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 224d
I’m no expert, but I can think of a few reasons: maintaining an official signed source, data integrity, and complying with takedown regulations:
Your Responsibilities as a Whistleblower
High risk along with public identification means the leaker probably wants to comply as much as possible to state and federal law. From the article:
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -9 pts · 224d
Yeah it totally makes sense to make a resource that is totally inaccessible and doesn't actually exist.
wuffah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 224d
Well, it’s inaccessible because Russian state-sponsored hacking collective is DDoSing the leaker’s website. Why would someone go through the risky process of leaking sensitive federal data that doesn’t actually exist?
I suppose it could be to spook ICE into withdrawal, but I don’t think that’s going to stop them given the tenacity of their extremely broad mandate and excessive deployments.
Or, it could be to goad Russian state actors into a honeypot to uncover their state affiliations, but they are generally insulated from that as a matter of Russian operating procedure.
I don’t see a possible benefit to faking this list. Could you provide an example?
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -4 pts · 224d
To gather up a list of thousands of leftists who tried to access it without a VPN or TOR?
wuffah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 224d
That’s a great example, and it probably falls under retaliation protections which I would not expect the US government to uphold at this time. So, anyone trying to access this website should definitely use TOR.
However, the fact that a Russian state actor is successfully attempting to limit access is pretty telling that they and the Trump administration don’t want this information leaked. My guess is that they know this information not only exists, but is dangerous to their interests.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 224d
I'm sure sending out a list with none of the associated verification information wouldn't have any weaknesses to manipulation or falsification...
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -10 pts · 224d
Good point. Making a list that no one can access and probably doesn't actually exist is much better.
Tiger@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 224d
You’re not wrong, on the ice list sure they’re harping hard for donations and coffee money. Just release the files ffs. Ha now that sounds familiar.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 224d
So Russian criminals are helping American GeStaPo fascists in taking over the country? What a coincidence...
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 30 pts · 224d
Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 224d
Shitapples, Randy. Shitapples.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 224d
Shitapillers
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 224d
Let's see some email leaks that connect the dots there as well to this attack.
I bet it exists somewhere.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 224d
You don't think their names aren't in the files? Can't be heads off state from all over the world have so much power being a literal pedophile is the only way to get their heart pumping. Strangling women on the interstate just doesn't hit the same after a while. (I'm not joking. Or leaders are no better than you average psychopath, the only difference is they are in power and can get away with it.)
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 88 pts · 224d
That's what torrents are for
JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 64 pts · 224d
So . . . Trump reached out to daddy for help.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 224d
Putin - Who's your friend?
Trump - You are, boss. It's only you.
FYI - I was able to get through to the Icelist wiki page which now has a 403 Forbidden on it. I don't know who controls the site rn.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 223d
It's all working pretty smoothly for me now. I think it's been resolved.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 42 pts · 223d
Since when did the first D in DDOS stand for DIRECT and not DISTRIBUTED?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 223d
Never, and attributing the use of Russian IPs to the Russian state for a DDOS attack is baseless speculation. This article is uninformed clickbait horseshit.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 223d
It is the Daily Beast. They're basically the Weekly World News of internet media outlets. Surprised they haven't yet reported on what Bat Boy is doing.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 223d
@phutatorius@lemmy.zip care to explain your disapproval of our discussion?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 220d
Gladly.
The discussion about whether a DDOS account has anything to do with Russia solely because the IP addresses used are Russian fails to take into account the fact that Russian state actors and affiliated parties have previously done it that way. That includes attacks against sites that I work on. Not only DDOS attacks, but lots of vulnerability-probing attacks have come from Russian IPs as well (though not all, of course: China's a close second on that leaderboard), and in one investigation of those, our security team was able to find a forum where the attacks were being coordinated. The discussion was in Russian. That doesn't mean they were state actors in that case, but Russia's not the kind of place where freelancers are allowed to operate against state interests for long. So maybe volunteers for the motherland, maybe mercenaries, maybe someone with a more formal relationship with the state. In that particular case, we stopped investigating at that point, since our goal was to harden our system further, rather than worry about attribution.
So yeah, you'd think that in the interest of good comsec, they'd go to the effort to obfuscate the origin of their attacks, but they don't always. Maybe they're sloppy, or they don't see the need, or don't want to incur the minimal additional complexity and/or cost.
I'd like to disclose more, but I'm in a position where there are some hard limits on what I can disclose about my personal and professional life.
Also, the Daily Beast is no paragon of journalistic integrity, but they're more a mixed bag than a never-credible source. Case in point: Michael Wolff's podcasts for them, which occasionally contain worthwhile insights mixed in with the tabloid gossip. I rank them a little below Times Radio, which also has a mix of clickbaity crap and occasional sound analysis. They're certainly nowhere near the gutter that the NY Post or the Daily Mail inhabit. Well, maybe one foot, but not both.
Anyway... mea culpa for having downvoted rather than joining in. I was in a hurry, about to head out the door, and should have instead waited until I had the time to comment.
mp3@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 224d
Make the static dataset available on IPFS and you'll have node operators pin it on their instance. Good luck taking that down.
I'd be okay with a torrent as well.
plz1@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 224d
Isn't it Distributed Denial of Service for DDOS?
Illecors@lemmy.cafe · 21 pts · 224d
It is. This is a quality article.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 224d
Why Russia would protect this administration interests like that?
hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 224d
To further destabilize the country.
It is serving their interests.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
Would it not be more destabilizing to allow this leak to go through? Seems like by stopping this, they are propping up the government?
hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 223d
The government is not the country.
The sense of justice is being denied. The feeling of their oppressor being shielded is prolonged.
They want citizens boiling.
tehsillz@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 223d
It's ridiculous that people in this thread actually believe this. Why would they use russian IPs if it was a russian DDOS attack, lol. It would be like signing your name on a bomb threat.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 223d
Because theres no reason not to.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 223d
Why would they care if they are identified? Who's going to do ANYTHING about it?
Also, maybe they WANT the world to know they can do things like this, like changing votes in an election. If you want the world to know you are in control, you have to demonstrate it.
tehsillz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
or it could simply be a red herring because russia = bad, so therefore it must be true because they are also bad.
cockmushroom@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 223d
What do you suppose they have to lose from such a brazen attack in defence of the interests of the leader at the expense of the people he hates?
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 223d
Or poisoning your dissidents with a compound only used by the Russian government.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 223d
Well they paid for it...
Balldowern@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 224d
This is a classic case of VPN
fort_burp@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 224d
Or botnet of infected computers (not excluding VPN use).
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 34 pts · 224d
Yeah this probably should have been archived offline immediately and then spread around to decentralize it.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -27 pts · 224d
This is a scam. No one ever saw this list and it would have been trivial to distribute if that was ever the intent.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 224d
I saw the list yesterday for a few minutes. Then it crashed.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -13 pts · 224d
Why do you think they didn't just distribute a 50kb CSV file so that everyone on earth could have it today?
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 224d
You should ask them.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -18 pts · 224d
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 224d
Then don't believe me. No skin off my ass.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -12 pts · 224d
Good luck with all the IPs your gathering into this honeypot. Hope folks had their VPNs turned on when they tried it.
For anyone else reading this, here is what is happening:
Post fake list.
No one can get it, but thousands of people try.
Oops, we got hacked.
Two months later.
Hey, why is MY house the one that got visited by ICE?
silentjohn@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 224d
I saw the list. It contains names, photos, linked in profiles, job position in ICE, etc.
EDIT: I will add, whether this whole thing is fake or not, I saw a list. the website had names, linkedin, etc. This data is completely unverified. I admit it seem a little off. But the website listed did in fact have names and links.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -5 pts · 224d
Awesome! Want to share the cached page or anything that you managed to grab while you were there? Even a screen shot?
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 224d
Ah the 'Epstein list isn't real' phase of denial. How gauche.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -6 pts · 224d
Just to be clear, you are equating wanting to actually see proof of this list of ICE agents before accepting that its real with denying the Epstein files. Are you OK, dude?
BorgDrone@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 224d
You can’t place ads next to a CSV file.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 224d
The site has no ads
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -4 pts · 224d
Exactly, and that's the best-case scenario.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
It's back up. It's not a scam.
And can we maybe not continually, without fail, hit ourselves in the face with a crowbar, because something positive isn't perfect?
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 224d
Putin and his Black Hundreds trying to protect the little army of Kluxers in olive drab.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 224d
Now why on earth would Russia want to halt the leak? Especially when they're so mad at us about Venezuela and the oil we're seizing? 🤔
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 224d
They aren't. Owe a bank 10 bucks, it's your problem. Owe a bank a million, it's their problem. Those countries gave their gold and resources to Russia. Now, when they expect to receive support back, the US is giving them an excuse why they don't need to as long as they perform a bit of false flag theater they are so accustomed to. Venezuela's oil is hard to refine cheaply and Russia has plenty not to mention they are a competitor, they are more concerned about the US Chevron and Exxon tankers Ukraine is disrupting from buying their oil after Trump quietly allowed them to resume.
Russia wants to assist Trump while feigning their part as the "enemy", yet they always manage to work lockstep in the grand scheme of things. So much so, that I expect that when the US does launch an operation against Greenland, they will try to be sneaky about it yet do it with Russia's help, likely from one the detachments claiming to be following one of the shadow fleets.
Russia considers its allies temporary and expendable, they've sacrificed theirs in negotiations to cooperate with the US to divide up their direct influence into hemispheres. Russia is specially interested in restoring the old USSR borders, but now just any win will do. Getting rid of competitors and letting go of the political baggage of their allies once exhausted is what they do. The regime puppets have already sent all their gold to Russia to try to secure their retirement within their borders. Russia treats its allies like the US is starting to.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 224d
All they needed to do was put out a torrent.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 3 pts · 224d
Get ready for a bunch of totally not foreign propaganda bots to explain why that doesn't make any sense and that somehow YOU are the crazy person for expecting this list to actually exist.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 224d
Never ceases to amaze me that people refuse to believe or need to be reminded that Russia, China and others are actively and aggressively trying to undermine political and social stability in the US. Social media troll farms and bots, hacks of infrastructure, and apparently now preventing leaks of information detrimental to trump’s SS.
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 2 pts · 223d
They do but don't forget the us government is trying to do the same thing by breaking with norms and stiring up trouble.
This can easily be a a hit by an us funded group or agency to prevent waking of the gestapo.
l_isqof@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 224d
I wonder why these pigs wouldn't want to publish their name if they just got their best job in their life ...
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 223d
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 224d
No shot Russia is actually behind protecting the US government from its own people.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 224d
From what I've heard, Putin wants "democracy" to be a slang term for chaos, go figure the rest.
Despots really want to make democracy a "failed experiment in human history", and restore the age of autocrats.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -14 pts · 224d
Damn, is that why Putin told his puppet Biden to bring Democracy to Palestine and Ukraine, and his puppet Obama to spread Democracy to Libya and Syria, and his puppet George W Bush to bring Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, and his puppet Clinton to bring Democracy to Yugoslavia and so on?
Its kinda weird when libs blame foreigners for America doing the most American thing possible.
Also the American people neutralizing feds on their own is more chaotic than ice continuing to haul people to camps unimpeded.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 223d
Maybe it's time for AA.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
For example folks.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 223d
It's not about taking either side, it's about sowing chaos.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 223d
Again, what's more chaotic, pigs fearing for themselves and their family or pigs not fearing for themselves and their family?
Putin has nothing to gain from this, the state department or just random fascists with money to spend on a botnet do.
If some Russian dissidents published a list of Russian FBI equivalent's agent's addresses, would the US (or even just any non-fascist with technical knowledge and time) try to take it down, or make sure it's distributed as widely as possible?
"Russia is helping the US do what the US does because their evil and bad and hate freedom" is the equivalent of "Russia blew up their own pipeline".
Putin being evil and bad is true, but it's directly against Russia's interests and in the US's interest to take down the list.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 223d
What's better for them is an entire population being afraid of the pigs, and giving the pigs more time to amp up their abuse, piss off citizens even more, cause larger and more violent protests and larger and more violent government responses, and take America into a Civil War.
Or, ICE agents get doxxed, and decide it isn't worth the trouble and quit, and Russia loses the fuel for their most consistent source of chaos.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 223d
ICE agents aren't going to quit over doxxing, they're the type to jerk off over the idea of someone trying to hurt them or their family.
If America was going to rise up, seeing ice agents get got in their own home would be inspirational, in the same way a burning police station was inspiration in 2020; showing people that you're not powerless does infinitely more to bring people out than seeing a million people march for 6 hours and go home having accomplished nothing.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 223d
ICE agents are like anyone else. Wives generally speak very loudly in situations like this, and even if they aren't worried about themselves, their wives will make them care about their families.
Doxxing might not affect all of them, but it will affect a non-zero number of them, at a time when they are desperately recruiting for more.
ICE is doing what Russia can't. Why would Russia want that to end, just as it's all getting started, and getting results?
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 223d
The DDOS is coming from inside the house
LemUser@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 224d
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I have no problem accessing the site. Could I be on a fake one? https://icelist.is/ice/
LemUser@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 224d
mine looks like this and when I click on an office, person or directory, it yields dozens of sub categories or more names of underlings:
seathru@quokk.au · 7 pts · 224d
Yeah, but all of that info was there last week. Nothing from the new leak.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 224d
404
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
I think it's been resolved. It was 404ing yesterday, but now it's fine.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 14 pts · 224d
Friends Helping Friends ❤️
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 223d
My mind went somewhere totally different reading "goon leak"
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 223d
Even more reason why it should be released as a dump, and not walled in behind a website.
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 224d
Why announce? Do it & the damage done did. Then announce it. Fucking amateurs. Probably something Walter Sobchak would say.
echodot@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 224d
I mean why is it even on a website? It's just text right. Just do a dump and set it as a sead.
I mean we can do it with movies easily enough.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 223d
Well, it's slow, but I am getting past the homepage today, unlike yesterday.
Update: It seems to be working pretty smoothly for me now. A couple hangups, but mostly all good.
If it holds, I'd maybe take this post down to avoid confusion or discouragment.
neuromorph@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 223d
let me know when to tor is setup
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 224d
Whoever has this info, if its real is a moron bar none. One torrent and by now it would be everywhere. Instead they create a puff website for it.
mp3@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 224d
ICElist has been there before the leak though.
LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 224d
... but think of the donations! /s
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 223d
I hear Russia is very good with the cyber
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 223d
18/F/Cali wanna cyber?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 223d
The mofos want to hide their SVR agents working at ICE.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 224d
So did the information get out at all?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 223d
It sounds like the website was attacked, but that doesn't mean they stole the data. Presumably there's back-up, and it can be released elsewhere. Just don't announce it in advance. Put it out there, spread the word quietly until there have been a bunch of downloads, then announce it.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 223d
Torrent that shit.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 224d
Even more important that the list makes the rounds.
bookmeat@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 224d
You guys actually believe Russia would use its own bot net?
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 224d
Do you not think Russia has access to multiple botnets?
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 224d
Why would it matter if they did?
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 224d
Honestly, what would Russia’s motivation be? Releasing the names of those agents would, per my ignorance, be a passive win for Russia. Russian propaganda has shown that they explicitly take both sides of a political argument, which only yields more polarizing views on the matter. That’s their goal—polarize enemies to weaken their unity, attention, and effectiveness. Having us focus on vendettas against ICE serves that goal. It clarifies who our enemy is and increases the chance of more violence. Why would Russia want to stop that?
Wild speculation here, but what would the chances be that the US has control over of Russia-based bot net? Because that would be a pretty convenient tool for a state like the US.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 224d
I would be highly surprised if we didn't. I'd be surprised if any nation with any kind of serious cyber presence didn't have resources like that in adversarial spaces.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 224d