I don’t think that’s an autism thing. I think that’s just a thing for people who don’t have enough meaning and purpose in their life to feel like they had a day’s worth of experiences yet when the day is over.
hmmm, I don't know. I relate with the OP a lot, yet I love what I do with my days... it's just that there is a kind of exhaustion that is social in nature, and I feel I need my airlock time (as my wife says) after any social event to be at peace, even when I feel tired af.
This could be an introvert thing. Introvert vs extrovert isn't about being shy or anything like the stereotype. The best way that I've heard to describe it is that an extrovert refills their emotional batteries through social activities, big groups, etc. while an introvert has their emotional batteries drained doing that and needs time alone to let themself recharge.
You can have a socially anxious extrovert who lives for hanging out in a big group of friends even if they don't talk much or anything, and an outgoing introvert who just needs to come home at the end of the day and sit on the floor with their back against a wall for awhile before they have the energy to do anything else.
Yea, a lot of posts in this community are like this. They may be more prevelant (or challenging) in the autistic community, but are often just "the annoyances of life".
Note: I do think in your rationale is missing "lack of time" as a factor, though. Often applying oneself to purpose is not the individual's fault, they just don't have the time to be fulfilled.
My wife and I call it decompressing, it's not about relaxing the body, it's about spacing out and doing something that requires zero brain power. I'm pretty sure almost everyone does it in some form or another, some just get to start earlier in the day, others just seem to already be on autopilot all day anyway and it extends to their bed time. It's not a neuro divergent thing
Except when the Adderall allows you to be mostly functional on three hours of sleep, effectively nullifying its effects on the ADHD but still enabling the bad habit of staying up all night.
Me since I started studying. I'm trying not to do it much but it's just so easy to go to bed a little late every day.
And usually the negative effects just aren't there when I'm on my meds. Moreso when I'm out and about all day, then when a less busy day comes around and my body unwinds a little it all catches up to me.
It can just mean physically exhausted. Like, if I ride my bike for 14 hours at a reasonably fast pace, I'm going to be tired. But that doesn't mean I feel like i need to sleep.
Right now, yeah? I've last time I did it, I took a short break lying on the side of a stroad, then biked to a nearby abandoned park and lied there for a while, and then went to a non abandoned park and walked for 3 hours catching beldums in pogo I think. Then biked home.
6-8am - get the kids moving, make multiple breakfasts because they all want something different (including SO), get family prepared to travel, etc.
8am - start work.
3-4pm - collect some kids from school, sit in line feeling like you're the worst because you're not #1 in line for pickup, but you don't think being there an hour early is reasonable.
5pm - end "work day", begin "evening" and figure out what's for dinner (we planned this weekly, so it's not too hard) then make it.
7pm - bedtime ritual starts. deal with ensuing tantrums because "I don't want to brush my teeth" or "I'm in the middle of this activity" or "why do I have to read?!".
8:30-9pm - kids are in bed. finally.
9:30-5:30 - MY FUCKING TIME. 8 hours where the rest of the family is asleep and I get to manage myself... poorly. I need 5h, so bedtime before 12:30 is acceptable. Ignoring rounding errors, 10pm-12pm is for me. ignore it at your peril.
"I'm tired but also easily overstimulated" is practically the diagnosis code for autism in young people.
Also a great pipeline to misuse of depressants. One is fully Lego-pilled after coming out of rehab, because it gives him an outlet for all that restless energy the drinking had flattened out.
There's not really settled science here. I can relate to that a bit but I'm not diagnosed as neurodivergent or anything. Also I sort of grew out of this as I got older. I dont have trouble sleeping almost at all anymore but it used to be a big struggle.
I think this is not "having trouble sleeping", this is "having trouble going to bed".
The way it works with me is that I just need some "me" time after a day of activities. Normally I get back home around 5-6 PM, so I do some chores and then have 2-4 hours for myself. If there are other activities - or more chores - forcing me to start the "me" time later, then I won't just skip it, I will still sit the 2-4 hours at my PC, I'll just do it at the cost of my regular sleep time, and go to bed at 2AM instead of at midnight, for example.
Oh trust me, I know how it works I just put it all under "trouble sleeping." Its a bad cycle to get into, getting more and more tired everyday. I honestly think I was just addicted to TV/computers and didnt know how to mentally deal with the urges. Perspective is incredibly powerful when it comes to mental state, but also habits are as well.
I will say I value sleep a lot more now. I used to treat it as a nuisance that didnt benefit me much, but ive grown to understand how important it is, along with what I eat. Perhaps despising sleep is not a healthy thing.
I came back to say I realized that I also started doing my "me" time in the early morning if I was really tired early the last night. When I was younger I would make myself stay up and play games or watch TV or else I'd be frustrated I wasted my night by sleeping. I really like being up before anyone else in the house and hanging out that way too now.
You know what's crazy? I can be depressed because of various shit, but it never made me quit stuff I really want to do (learning languages). It's just that I am even more tired (and maybe depressed) later.
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CandleTiger@programming.dev · 114 pts · 211d
I don’t think that’s an autism thing. I think that’s just a thing for people who don’t have enough meaning and purpose in their life to feel like they had a day’s worth of experiences yet when the day is over.
Which is a LOT of us.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 15 pts · 211d
hmmm, I don't know. I relate with the OP a lot, yet I love what I do with my days... it's just that there is a kind of exhaustion that is social in nature, and I feel I need my airlock time (as my wife says) after any social event to be at peace, even when I feel tired af.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 211d
This could be an introvert thing. Introvert vs extrovert isn't about being shy or anything like the stereotype. The best way that I've heard to describe it is that an extrovert refills their emotional batteries through social activities, big groups, etc. while an introvert has their emotional batteries drained doing that and needs time alone to let themself recharge.
You can have a socially anxious extrovert who lives for hanging out in a big group of friends even if they don't talk much or anything, and an outgoing introvert who just needs to come home at the end of the day and sit on the floor with their back against a wall for awhile before they have the energy to do anything else.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 211d
Anecdotally, I'm fortunate enough to have my average day jam packed with meaning and XP, and I still like to decompress.
rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
No. Nobody gets overwhelmed by a lack of meaning.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 210d
Yea, a lot of posts in this community are like this. They may be more prevelant (or challenging) in the autistic community, but are often just "the annoyances of life".
Note: I do think in your rationale is missing "lack of time" as a factor, though. Often applying oneself to purpose is not the individual's fault, they just don't have the time to be fulfilled.
budgard@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 211d
Delete this.
Asetru@feddit.org · 58 pts · 211d
"I'm revenge procrastinating, must be neurodivergence"
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 211d
Tbf, there probably is a high correlation between those.
Asetru@feddit.org · 9 pts · 211d
Tbf anyone can be overworked.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 211d
Revenge procrastination ? revenge against someone in particular ?
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 211d
sukhmel@programming.dev · 5 pts · 211d
Unfortunately, for me it's against me, usually
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 211d
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 211d
ehhh
Bonifratz@piefed.zip · 36 pts · 211d
I do this exact thing every day but I have next to no autistic traits.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
I have ADHD but not autism and I do this. It's basically normal ADHD executive dysfunction I think, for me at least
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 31 pts · 211d
revenge bedtime procrastination
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Sleep avoidance is real.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 211d
My wife and I call it decompressing, it's not about relaxing the body, it's about spacing out and doing something that requires zero brain power. I'm pretty sure almost everyone does it in some form or another, some just get to start earlier in the day, others just seem to already be on autopilot all day anyway and it extends to their bed time. It's not a neuro divergent thing
qarbone@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
It's like some people forget they are also just people and all people do things. Not everything they do is related to autism.
getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 212d
Sleep doesn't always recharge the battery
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 211d
Dopamine depletion is real. Leaves you exhausted and prone to inertia.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 211d
Literally me all the time forever. I slept 4 hours today. Help.
ghen@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
Just call up any random psychiatrist and tell them your reason for the appointment is medication recommendations.
In and out in 1 hour and they'll prescribe a whole boatload of crap if you're really messed up or just some Adderall for ADHD.
moakley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Except when the Adderall allows you to be mostly functional on three hours of sleep, effectively nullifying its effects on the ADHD but still enabling the bad habit of staying up all night.
I don't recommend it, but it is one way to live.
autriyo@feddit.org · 2 pts · 211d
Me since I started studying. I'm trying not to do it much but it's just so easy to go to bed a little late every day.
And usually the negative effects just aren't there when I'm on my meds. Moreso when I'm out and about all day, then when a less busy day comes around and my body unwinds a little it all catches up to me.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
It's not really how it works in my country
ghen@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
Sorry about that homie.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 211d
FarmTaco@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
aw shit
wizblizz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Ah, the classic, "wait doesn't everyone deal with this?"
itsathursday@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 211d
I’m just staving off the next day before it crushes me too.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 16 pts · 211d
Tired doesn't always mean the same as sleepy 🤷♂️
"I'm tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!"
I am confident Samuel L. Jackson wasn't about to fall alseep when he said that.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 211d
You can be tired of something and have it mean that, but just being tired means sleepy.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 211d
It can just mean physically exhausted. Like, if I ride my bike for 14 hours at a reasonably fast pace, I'm going to be tired. But that doesn't mean I feel like i need to sleep.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 211d
Fairly sure that if you rode for 14 hours straight you'd conk out rápido
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 211d
Right now, yeah? I've last time I did it, I took a short break lying on the side of a stroad, then biked to a nearby abandoned park and lied there for a while, and then went to a non abandoned park and walked for 3 hours catching beldums in pogo I think. Then biked home.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 211d
That took me a while to work out
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
It's a fine line between the two, but true.
whitecollarcry@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 211d
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 211d
I think that's everyone tbh.
If work wants a wide awake me, they'd better be paying me a lot more than they are.
Rawrosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 211d
I do this constantly if I've had to be around people late into the evening. I need to recharge enough to sleep.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 10 pts · 211d
Bosht@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
Yeah this is just anyone that's trying to survive post COVID honestly. Don't need to put a label on surviving this shitty existence currently.
candyman337@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 211d
I'm not refusing to sleep I usually just can't
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 211d
You have to decompress. After a full day of masking up and not losing it.
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 211d
5:30-6am, wake up and become competent.
6-8am - get the kids moving, make multiple breakfasts because they all want something different (including SO), get family prepared to travel, etc.
8am - start work.
3-4pm - collect some kids from school, sit in line feeling like you're the worst because you're not #1 in line for pickup, but you don't think being there an hour early is reasonable.
5pm - end "work day", begin "evening" and figure out what's for dinner (we planned this weekly, so it's not too hard) then make it.
7pm - bedtime ritual starts. deal with ensuing tantrums because "I don't want to brush my teeth" or "I'm in the middle of this activity" or "why do I have to read?!".
8:30-9pm - kids are in bed. finally.
9:30-5:30 - MY FUCKING TIME. 8 hours where the rest of the family is asleep and I get to manage myself... poorly. I need 5h, so bedtime before 12:30 is acceptable. Ignoring rounding errors, 10pm-12pm is for me. ignore it at your peril.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 211d
It's the cuppa after 4pm that get's me.
kali_fornication@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
i've been drinking 25 cups of coffee a day lately. in my defense, it's half caff
Klear@quokk.au · 2 pts · 211d
That's still just about half a Voltaire, you'll be fine.
kali_fornication@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
gonna half to finish this whole fucking 72 k-cup box if i'm gonna write my masterpiece
noughtnaut@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Rude.
Also, I should be sleeping, not scrolling...
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Currently laying in bed unable to sleep. Stupid human bodies!
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
Sleep disorders are a form of divergence too! Huzzah ADHD! Huzzah narcolepsy!
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
"I'm tired but also easily overstimulated" is practically the diagnosis code for autism in young people.
Also a great pipeline to misuse of depressants. One is fully Lego-pilled after coming out of rehab, because it gives him an outlet for all that restless energy the drinking had flattened out.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Well, fuck.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 5 pts · 210d
yesssssss
fuck sleep
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
I'm supposed to be the ND one. That sounds like my neurotypical wife.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Uggghhhhh yeah
makes seventh latte
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 212d
I have insomnia anyway ...
Lor@leminal.space · 4 pts · 211d
Yup
Highlandcow@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 210d
Either that or they get too much anxiety at night or are addicted to stimulation
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 211d
This is why the benevolent spirits gave us energy drinks ✨
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 210d
Wait, is this seriously a neurospicy thing??
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 210d
Well, it certainly describes my AuDHD ass perfectly.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 210d
There's not really settled science here. I can relate to that a bit but I'm not diagnosed as neurodivergent or anything. Also I sort of grew out of this as I got older. I dont have trouble sleeping almost at all anymore but it used to be a big struggle.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 210d
I think this is not "having trouble sleeping", this is "having trouble going to bed".
The way it works with me is that I just need some "me" time after a day of activities. Normally I get back home around 5-6 PM, so I do some chores and then have 2-4 hours for myself. If there are other activities - or more chores - forcing me to start the "me" time later, then I won't just skip it, I will still sit the 2-4 hours at my PC, I'll just do it at the cost of my regular sleep time, and go to bed at 2AM instead of at midnight, for example.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 210d
Oh trust me, I know how it works I just put it all under "trouble sleeping." Its a bad cycle to get into, getting more and more tired everyday. I honestly think I was just addicted to TV/computers and didnt know how to mentally deal with the urges. Perspective is incredibly powerful when it comes to mental state, but also habits are as well.
I will say I value sleep a lot more now. I used to treat it as a nuisance that didnt benefit me much, but ive grown to understand how important it is, along with what I eat. Perhaps despising sleep is not a healthy thing.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 208d
I came back to say I realized that I also started doing my "me" time in the early morning if I was really tired early the last night. When I was younger I would make myself stay up and play games or watch TV or else I'd be frustrated I wasted my night by sleeping. I really like being up before anyone else in the house and hanging out that way too now.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 210d
@jornkard@sh.itjust.works - dude, why would you downvote my comment....?
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
Definitely me
Matriks404@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 210d
You know what's crazy? I can be depressed because of various shit, but it never made me quit stuff I really want to do (learning languages). It's just that I am even more tired (and maybe depressed) later.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 211d
Fuck, another nail in the coffin.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 211d
That's everyone.