I hate it honestly. The french spent centuries ruling England and messing up our language just for the rest of the world to make fun of us for it as if it's our fault.
TIL empathy is a European thing. All the more reason to move to Europe. Unfortunately, I'm american, so by your logic I'll just water my lawn with your tears...
One time in high school, I dissociated so hard that I temporarily couldn't understand spoken English. Tbf, I did it intentionally just to see if I could (as nerds do when they're bored in gym class.) It was very interesting. English sounded like a softer German with French pronunciations, which tracks. I thought it sounded pleasant. I still want to know what non-Native English speakers think, but it was fun to listen to English "from the outside" for a few minutes.
::: spoiler If you're curious,
I was on the loud, busy bleachers with many other people. I decided to concentrate on the sounds I heard, and only on the sounds, without attempting to understand anything that was said. At some point it's like my comprehension disengaged and I was in a sea of meaningless chatter. It should be noted that I am neurodivergent, so perhaps it was easier for me to concentrate on pure sensory information? Who knows. I sure don't.
:::
If anybody else has had this experience, I'm curious what it was like for you, too.
There was an italian singer that made an "american" song with made up words, it was a huge hit apparently. Like in the sixties or something, might give you the feeling of it too.
I would love to see how this shook out when the British start getting possessive about their language in petty retribution. US adopts "hick hoodrat" as its first language?
[English teachers, frantically trying to squeeze another seven exceptions to the exception to the exception to a pronunciation rule into a simple mnemonic rhyme] Yeah, you tell'em!
First, much of said "fucking it up" was done by Norse influence due to all the Danes. Started a bit earlier than 1066, something-something Canute, something-something Danelaw, something-something great pagan army.
Second, Norman French was one of two clearly separable waves of "French" influence, and the commoners' Germanic language after it was still very different from what happened after the other wave.
Third, that other wave was Angevin French, which, yeah, made a big influence, in huge part because it happened in the time when English kings were trying to conquer much of France for themselves, and didn't see themselves as English kings really.
In Portuguese it's spelled coronel and pronounced just like that, with the R in the middle. I can't think of a single word where the L and R interchange. I can't speak for other romance languages though.
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -James Nicoll
The joke being the word used to describe people who only speak one language is an abomination composed of both greek and latin. Definitely used as an insult, but it's a clever one.
Although I seriously doubt OOP made that choice on purpose, so the secondary joke here is how they included a massive language blunder in the same comment as they were being a snob about languages.
I have no idea how practical it is, but I've definitely been all-in ever since !shavian@lemmy.world popped up a week ago or so lol. It's just really pretty looking and fun
all french loanwords should be englishized, this weird reluctancy of english to transliterate or adapt the foreign word to it only causes more confusion
Redundant acronym syndrome bothers me too. It irks me that the wikipedia page for it is "RAS Syndrome" which in itself is echoing the issue it's describing. That shit has to be intentional.
It's like how hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia is the fear of long words. That's some fucked up shit. Even it's more official word "sesquipedalophobia" is still a bit long for anyone who experiences that fear.
I actually love the few little French loanwords. We have the exact same ones in German. Also I will put my French allies above American heathens always.
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RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 93 pts · 220d
It's not our fault French was made wrong.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 44 pts · 220d
One of my multilingual friends called English the mixed playdoh version of French and German.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 46 pts · 220d
I hate it honestly. The french spent centuries ruling England and messing up our language just for the rest of the world to make fun of us for it as if it's our fault.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 61 pts · 220d
"Wah, I'm the British, and I'm upset about being colonized" that's what you sound like
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 27 pts · 220d
I'm american but the romans and french taught them how to do it.
And if anyone calls me british ever again there will be consequences
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 219d
Oh no, an american threatening consequences. What are you going to do, impose tariffs?
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 3 pts · 219d
I'll cry really hard and make you feel bad because your european empathy makes you supspecktable to emotional damage.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 219d
TIL empathy is a European thing. All the more reason to move to Europe. Unfortunately, I'm american, so by your logic I'll just water my lawn with your tears...
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 218d
This reply is art.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 220d
Nice try, but if you were really american, you'd spell it conzequences.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 220d
It's spelt colonised
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 220d
I would pronounce that "colon-iced"
deHaga@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 219d
Frozen butt plug
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 219d
Nice business model. Silicone ice molds, sanitary and there's no risk of tearing during extraction.
HowAbt2day@futurology.today · 9 pts · 220d
Nice try Mr. Italiano.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 18 pts · 220d
Domo rigatoni, Mr Roboto
wander1236@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 220d
Don't forget the ancient Latin that a bunch of scholars pulled in during the 1600s because the French descendants weren't fancy enough.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 220d
It is at least 3 languages in a trenchcoat.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 219d
One time in high school, I dissociated so hard that I temporarily couldn't understand spoken English. Tbf, I did it intentionally just to see if I could (as nerds do when they're bored in gym class.) It was very interesting. English sounded like a softer German with French pronunciations, which tracks. I thought it sounded pleasant. I still want to know what non-Native English speakers think, but it was fun to listen to English "from the outside" for a few minutes.
::: spoiler If you're curious, I was on the loud, busy bleachers with many other people. I decided to concentrate on the sounds I heard, and only on the sounds, without attempting to understand anything that was said. At some point it's like my comprehension disengaged and I was in a sea of meaningless chatter. It should be noted that I am neurodivergent, so perhaps it was easier for me to concentrate on pure sensory information? Who knows. I sure don't. :::
If anybody else has had this experience, I'm curious what it was like for you, too.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 219d
Haven't tried.
There was an italian singer that made an "american" song with made up words, it was a huge hit apparently. Like in the sixties or something, might give you the feeling of it too.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 220d
Hahaha, that's pretty good!
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 220d
it is your fault (collective, not individual) you didnโt change the spelling
rendez-vousโs pronounciation is perfectly regular in french
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 28 pts · 220d
Rawndayvoo.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 220d
Quick! Delete this before the Trump admin declares that the existence of loanwords is a war on the American Languageยฎ
spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 220d
I would love to see how this shook out when the British start getting possessive about their language in petty retribution. US adopts "hick hoodrat" as its first language?
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 219d
First they came for our pronouns.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 220d
Careful, Col. Hans Landa might notice the accent.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 6 pts · 220d
Randy foos
kaulquappus@feddit.org · 13 pts · 220d
[English teachers, frantically trying to squeeze another seven exceptions to the exception to the exception to a pronunciation rule into a simple mnemonic rhyme] Yeah, you tell'em!
spizzat2@lemmy.zip · 49 pts · 220d
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
Ew :(
bored_gamer@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 219d
Godric@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 219d
Rather that than be a snail-eating Fr*nchman any day of the week!
Juice@midwest.social · 24 pts · 220d
I thought monolingual meant someone who only licks one other person, as opposed to polylingual where someone licks multiple other people
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 16 pts · 220d
I am polylingual ๐
Tehhund@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 219d
I'm panlingual โ I lick all the people.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 3 pts · 219d
https://youtu.be/SJLlrg7r06I
Kennystillalive@feddit.org · 20 pts · 219d
I love seeing English only speakers make fun of German and French, while technically English is German and French's inbread son.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 219d
Your typo has me crumbling. ๐ฅ
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 6 pts · 219d
Are you in pain?
faintwhenfree@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 219d
It has me hungry, like I want to pretguette now. Or it is baguzel?
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 218d
Old English was like a less-complicated German. It was the Norman French who fucked it up. Never forget 1066.
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 218d
The Normans just spoke French, it's everybody else who fucked it up by going halfsies about it!
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 215d
That's a gross simplification.
First, much of said "fucking it up" was done by Norse influence due to all the Danes. Started a bit earlier than 1066, something-something Canute, something-something Danelaw, something-something great pagan army.
Second, Norman French was one of two clearly separable waves of "French" influence, and the commoners' Germanic language after it was still very different from what happened after the other wave.
Third, that other wave was Angevin French, which, yeah, made a big influence, in huge part because it happened in the time when English kings were trying to conquer much of France for themselves, and didn't see themselves as English kings really.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 220d
Don't even get me started on Colonel.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 220d
Anyone who makes fun of eastern Asian languages for not differentiating between L and R has never compared romance languages.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 220d
Which romance languages, at that! They're all different! Haha
Linnce@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
In Portuguese it's spelled coronel and pronounced just like that, with the R in the middle. I can't think of a single word where the L and R interchange. I can't speak for other romance languages though.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 219d
I'm not thinking specifically of colonel. There are things with Spanish vs Portuguese like plato vs prato, playa vs praia, etc.
Colonel is also actually an example since it uses an L in French but an R in Spanish and Portuguese.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 11 pts · 220d
I always thought colonel would be pronounced colonel, but it's colonel instead!
pet1t@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 220d
you mean "kornul"?
Drusas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 220d
Kernuhl
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 219d
Wait until you hear about "boatswain".
baines@piefed.social · 12 pts · 220d
fuck all french origin words in english
they all behave counter to the rest of english logic
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 27 pts · 220d
What logic?
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 219d
You know, the logic that has a word like "knight" where half of the letters are silent.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 220d
It had its own logic before the inanity of French came in during the Norman Invasion
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 220d
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -James Nicoll
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
I love the quote, but I think it's important to credit its creator - James Nicoll
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 5 pts · 220d
Also before the English fixed their spelling in like 1500, and then did 500 years of sound shifting. It needs a spelling reform, desperately.
baines@piefed.social · 0 pts · 219d
look iโm not trying to defend english
french loan words are just worse
yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 220d
I'm choosing to take this as a really clever etymology joke
chunes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
Can you explain the joke? It just comes across as an insult to me.
yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 206d
The joke being the word used to describe people who only speak one language is an abomination composed of both greek and latin. Definitely used as an insult, but it's a clever one.
Although I seriously doubt OOP made that choice on purpose, so the secondary joke here is how they included a massive language blunder in the same comment as they were being a snob about languages.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 219d
linguistics, but yes ;)
MxRemy@piefed.social · 7 pts · 220d
It'd be spelled ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฏ๐๐ฑ๐๐ต in Shavian script English, is that better?
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 219d
It's easier to read at least, but we loose the etymology.
I also liked the idea of shavian, but I eventually drowsed myself into anglish or what you might call frenchless english or plain english.
That is not to say shavian is not worth your time, it certainly is markworthy.
MxRemy@piefed.social · 1 pts · 219d
I have no idea how practical it is, but I've definitely been all-in ever since !shavian@lemmy.world popped up a week ago or so lol. It's just really pretty looking and fun
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 219d
I know all about etymology and language evolution.
I still think it's stupid to write "EAU" to say "O".
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 219d
all french loanwords should be englishized, this weird reluctancy of english to transliterate or adapt the foreign word to it only causes more confusion
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 187d
We should write fully phonologically in IPA. You have an accent? Write it down. I want to imagine the voice of the writer better when reading a paper.
mrslt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
Wait until they find out what "RSVP" stands for.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 219d
Absolutely hate when someone asks me to "rsvp please".
JargonWagon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 219d
Redundant acronym syndrome bothers me too. It irks me that the wikipedia page for it is "RAS Syndrome" which in itself is echoing the issue it's describing. That shit has to be intentional.
It's like how hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia is the fear of long words. That's some fucked up shit. Even it's more official word "sesquipedalophobia" is still a bit long for anyone who experiences that fear.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 219d
I'm pretty sure it is, but not strictly by Wikipedia. It credits some 2001 column for coming up with it.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 220d
Mongoloid would have been funnier.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 220d
French is an abomination of a language.
Damerlen@feddit.fr · 10 pts · 220d
Moi jโaime bien.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 219d
Moi aussi.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 8 pts · 220d
I actually love the few little French loanwords. We have the exact same ones in German. Also I will put my French allies above American heathens always.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 219d
I love how french has somehow become plural, plus if I remember history correctly, french was raped into English.
pedz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 220d