I mean consider this... using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.
My lemmy client doesn't automatically truncate posts like some other social media platforms do. For sensitive stuff like this, just use the spoiler so people don't have to scroll past a bunch of useless dots.
All good, I’m pretty desensitized to violent imagery online at this point, just trying to look out for others. Your edit worked, I appreciate it. Also lol at “irony”
It’ll be a national holiday when Trump goes. Just need to think up a properly passive aggressive name for it. Liberation day kinda works, but might be too ironic.
Celebrated by organizing against people in government who are too fucking old to be driving a car, let alone running the country?
It will also be effectively legal to shit on gravesites that day. Not because of any change in the law, but because it would take too much work to enforce on dementia day.
Remember in 8 Mile when Cheddar Bob shot himself in the leg with his own gun? Same thing. The only difference here is Cheddar Bob was a lovable idiot instead of a fascist.
Two former senior ICE officials told Newsweek that accidental discharges were not uncommon and often involved experienced agents rather than new hires.
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men's club I'm a member of, the only shooting injury we've had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You're point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it's not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.
Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.
You can also get a 'hangfire'.
Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.
Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.
Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.
I'll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I'd be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
You misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn't an accidental discharge since those don't exist. And it wasn't an intended discharge. And it wasn't a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I've heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there's simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun
also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe
I wouldn't be surprised if 'experienced' agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure "enforcement" actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to 'action'.
A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.
Felony murder is used like that all the time, for any death that they say results or was influenced by your lawbreaking. Like if I asked you for a ride to the store, then went in the store and shot someone, jumped in your car and went home. Even if you didn't know you are vulnerable, and we all know how prosecutors and police lie.
What is it, a 15 or 20 year felony, often tacked onto a list of other crimes. But if for a police that shot himself chasing you or something they might even bring more extreme charges. Like I've heard of real world cases of people spitting on police that were charged with attempted murder, theory being they were trying to give them terminal diseases, but the alleged spitter didn't have any disease, they just charged that as a reaction.
Spitting on someone is bullshit, but what about when you are talking, sometimes a little bit of spit will fly out of your mouth and land on someone, it happens to everyone occasionally.
All three firearm discharges occurred during quarterly training sessions while agents were holstering their weapons, a routine but potentially high-risk moment in firearms handling.
Fuck that, you can build a flux raider for $7-800 easy because how much people hate 320s. Which is much better than paying Sig the $1800 they want for a new one.
That being said: cops and military will shoot themselves microwaves if left unattended.
But I do know the founder daily carries one everywhere, and just won like the highest rank in PCC shooting with one. He had to change the brace to a stock tho to enter lmao.
They all look mall ninja as shit, and really shouldn't be legal. But they're ridiculously fun and actually practical, well, as practical as you can get when 99.999% of gun owners never come close to needing one.
As a side, not as an argument, people don't need a lot of things to merely survive. Like paint. You could argue you never need paint. But somebody who paints for a hobby certainly needs it for their hobby.
They don't even need to have an intelligence cap that limits you from hiring, like how the police operate, because if you're applying in the first place it's assumed you're too stupid to question orders and just want to shoot people for not being white.
The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn't new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.
That's what's surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you'd expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.
Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I've gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it's not been a problem.
You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn't, and suddenly you've got skeleton hands because you didn't feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.
Rhodes? What's his name, the Oath Keepers guy, with the eyepatch that got pardoned for sedition, stewart rhodes. He taught firearm safety, and during a class he shot himself in the eye, it's on video, I saw it on social media once but it's not findable by searching somehow he must have suppressed it somehow.
I don't know if Rhodes actually trained ICE goons (though it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the case to some extent), but I do want to chime in with Rhodes' son and ex-wife explaining how Stewart lost his eye.
Basically, in 1991, he was either taking his mom's old .22 derringer, to give it to his friend, a crack dealer, and he at one point dropped the gun, looked at it, it fired into his eye...
...which on its own would be illegally transferring an unregistered firearm to a convicted felon...
... Or, what the ex-wife and son surmise, is that he was actually running security for a drug deal, and then dropped the gun, it fired into his eye.
Either way, he had a prosthetic eye from '91 onward, and then... well according to the son and ex wife, at some point, he just stopped cleaning it, his eye socket got infected, ruptured, he never bothered to get it fully surgically repaired to the point it could accept/fit a prosthetic eye, and just started wearing an eye patch.
... I will note that his ex wife mentions that Stewart had a habit of trying to palm small concealable pistols, basically as a magician will palm various props in a magic show routine.
A fair number of older .22 derringers do not have trigger guards, so... in my opinion, it could be the case that he tried to palm such a derringer, and, not accounting for the lack of a trigger guard, actually did literally pull the trigger (within the folds of his palm) and directly shot himself in the face.
While I have no idea what the specific model of derringer was, here is an example of what I am talking about:
As you can see, no trigger guard.
If you tried to palm such a weapon, you probably could negligently discharge it fairly easily.
Anyway, there are at least a few kind of viral videos of firearms safety instructors aciddentally firing a weapon or shooting themself that go back to the earlier days of the internet... I don't know that any of those were Stewart Rhodes, though.
It would make sense that anybody with a video like that of themselves floating around would try to get it scrubbed, or it could be taken down due to depicting violence/gore...
So my guess would be that yes you have seen videos like what you describe... yes they are harder to find these days, but, it might not have been Rhodes in them.
No, I'm almost positive Rhodes lost it teaching gun safety, because it's on video, circulated on reddit a few years back but it disappeared. We watched an overhead security camera's view of him shooting himself in the eye accidently. Somewhere in california if memory serves.
I was joking about him training Ice. I should've been more clear.
... Well, watch the video I linked, his son and ex-wife disagree with you, they say he lost his eye in '91 '93, not teaching firearm safety, but instead in the above scenario.
Rhodes married Tasha Adams in 1994 after meeting her a few years earlier in Las Vegas.[46][7] When they met, Adams was 18 years old and working at an Arthur Murray Dance studio, and Rhodes was a 25-year-old college student.[11] Adams worked as an exotic dancer to financially support Rhodes' education during their marriage.[11] Before their marriage, Rhodes accidentally shot himself in the face with a .22 handgun after dropping it, leaving him using a prosthetic eyeball.[7][11]
Where citations 7 and 11 are New York Times and Los Angeles Times articles that cite Tasha Adams, the Rhodes' ex wife.
But I did make a mistake, this happened in '93, not '91.
If you can't provide the video, I'm going with you remembered it wrong, or maybe a different video of an instructor shooting themself was just labelled as being Rhodes.
And I am also not joking about Rhodes training ICE goons.
He's literally the exact kind of person who would be eager to do so, and he could probably easily get a job doing that, either officially or as basically a contractor.
I can't provide any evidence that he has, but like I said, it would not surprise me at all.
It's possible I remembered it wrong or have the wrong person, I'm quite sure I don't have it wrong but I've thought that before and been wrong. Unfortunately I couldn't find the video when I looked for it before. It's not a freely circulating video I think it gets removed.
Pretty sure I'm right though, and the Times is garbage as far as I'm concerned they traded their credibility, what remained of it. I trust the video of it happening more but I don't care enough to search for it on enshitified search engines that no longer try to find what I'm asking for. At least now when I'm procrastinating starting to work maybe later.
I think it is not entirely the fault of who ever is training them, but the one who gave them too little time to train them, there is only so much you can do in little time
Three seems like a proportionally high number. I wonder how this compares with other armed professions and their respective rates of the same accident.
While my comment was mostly snark, the main point is that unlike a dog, these folks have agency in their decisions and approach to situations. Is the underlying management strategy of DHS/ICE wrong? Absolutely, but you don’t get to “I’m just following orders” your way through this as an ICE agent.
You can hate multiple things at once. I hate the individual agents and the administration. You cannot have a machine of oppression without both components; thus they are both worthy of hate.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense for heinous acts. These people are evil. They are not only following inhumane orders, but going further. They’re not ordered to murder or rape people in custody but they do, because they want to. They’re grown ups making their own decisions. And those decisions are evil.
They are not mindless beasts. They know what they’re doing. They have no empathy. No respect for human life. They chose their paths. I’ll celebrate when that path leads to their demise.
OH NO, won't some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn't that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
There's some nuance here though when they shoot themselves with their own firearms. That's absolutely self inflicted "play stupid games" material. So I wouldn't condemn people celebrating this particular type of accidents.
I would celebrate their admission of wrongdoing and willful rehabilitation to civil society. Alternatively, if the way they stop being a threat is that they happen to die, I will celebrate that decent people are safer as a result.
They are also an origination killing people and publicly celebrating the murders as an act of "counter terrorism". You don't sign up for the gestapo for good vibes.
I'm not celebrating any of this, to be very clear. It's more of a grim satisfaction. We departed ages ago from whether it's right or wrong. They're fascists. And they're grossly incompetent. I am not upset by news that those doing vast and needless harm to innocent people are victim of their own incompetence and negligence. I'll admit to some schadenfreude and move on with my life.
I find the detention, shooting, and killing of innocent lives to be abhorrent. I ain't going to cry for the people perpetrating this violence, and I wish violence upon them. If they die, so be it. 1 less person killing innocent lives.
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
This comment is getting reported. I'm not going to remove it, even though it's a dumbass thing to say. Just take it apart with your own comment if you want, there's no benefit to anyone if I silence it.
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circuitfarmer@lemmy.world · 215 pts · 193d
fonix232@fedia.io · 74 pts · 193d
And that also makes him the greatest artist.
I mean consider this... using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 193d
That thought just made my day a bit brighter, hopefully Trump will make a similar piece soon.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 193d
He does every day, but it's in his diaper.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 193d
Torpedo tube 1 loaded. Tube 1 now flooded. Safeties off for point blank firing solution. Fire! Direct hit.
can@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 193d
Unfortunately he lacks the self awareness. But nonetheless. His every choice leads him toward that end.
can@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 193d
If only we had footage to make fun gifs out of
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 193d
Doubtless a picture-generating AI could do it.
can@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 193d
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 193d
Left leaning in the end.
EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 193d
How about you put that in a fucking spoiler tag bud
can@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 193d
I tired to put a lot of space. I'll edit. Sorry.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 193d
My lemmy client doesn't automatically truncate posts like some other social media platforms do. For sensitive stuff like this, just use the spoiler so people don't have to scroll past a bunch of useless dots.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
If you’re gonna post that I’d hide it behind a spoiler
can@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 193d
I tried to put a lot of space. I'll edit. Sorry.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
All good, I’m pretty desensitized to violent imagery online at this point, just trying to look out for others. Your edit worked, I appreciate it. Also lol at “irony”
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Is that his actual death though? To me it just looks like sarcastic acting.
Like he's making fun of the idea of getting shot.
can@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 193d
It's sarcastic editing in fact.
Edit: my trigger warnings were genuine, despite a bit of humour in the last one.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 193d
Wait, was it a gun? Or was it cyanide pills?
LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 193d
Both. Swallowed cyanide in case the bullet didn't work
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 193d
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 192d
It’ll be a national holiday when Trump goes. Just need to think up a properly passive aggressive name for it. Liberation day kinda works, but might be too ironic.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 192d
Not like you think. Boomers will gather in parks and shit their pants in honor of the Orange Fuhrer.
April 30 was never made a Jewish Holiday.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Regan-Trump geriatric awareness day?
Celebrated by organizing against people in government who are too fucking old to be driving a car, let alone running the country?
It will also be effectively legal to shit on gravesites that day. Not because of any change in the law, but because it would take too much work to enforce on dementia day.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 192d
Nancy Reagan wanted the Republicans to increase funding of dementia research, they ignored her.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 192d
Cause of death awareness bay would be a positive spin I supposed.
Or pick something like ureathra health day, and sell urinal cakes with his face or gravestone on them.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Call it maga day, but with an intonation that now that he's gone we can actually make a better society
Maybe long live the king day.
Honesty I'm down for the just glad he's dead and hope his movement follows soon day
Pratai@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 193d
Let’s see:
Hitlers killed:
Hitler - 1
Everyone else - 0
Yep. This is true.
Urist@leminal.space · 1 pts · 192d
I'd bet some people got a few of his ancestors at some point.
bcgm3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 86 pts · 193d
Keep up the good work assholes
Redacted@piefed.ca · 75 pts · 193d
Remember in 8 Mile when Cheddar Bob shot himself in the leg with his own gun? Same thing. The only difference here is Cheddar Bob was a lovable idiot instead of a fascist.
mrmaplebar@fedia.io · 74 pts · 193d
Well good. It's about time they shoot someone who deserves it.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
Google: how to give multiple upvotes on Lemmy
exaybachae@startrek.website · 2 pts · 192d
Ask a friend.
You got a friend in me.
Magnum@infosec.pub · 64 pts · 193d
What?
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 193d
Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 41 pts · 193d
LE and ND?
Not everyone lives in the acronym country.
SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 193d
LE - Law Enforcement, ND - Negligent Discharge
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 7 pts · 192d
Thanks!
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 193d
LE = lawful evil
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 6 pts · 192d
LOL. Now this acronym actually makes a lot more sense.
hector@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 192d
National Dickheads.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 192d
Lemmy has TMA*.
*Too many acronyms
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 1 pts · 192d
Thanks! That’s a handy one.
qaeta@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 192d
LE = Law Enforcement ND = Negligent Discharge.
SynAcker@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 193d
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men's club I'm a member of, the only shooting injury we've had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You're point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
exaybachae@startrek.website · 2 pts · 192d
It's dangerous.
Don't touch that.
Not that way.
What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?
Sequentialsilence@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 192d
exaybachae@startrek.website · 1 pts · 192d
I was missing:
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Reminds me of ‘Being a cop isn't that dangerous’.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 192d
Those guys are just typical gun owners. US has 44,000 accidental gun injuries a year, likely 5X more accidental discharges no one knows about.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 193d
"ND"? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 193d
Negligent
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 193d
Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 193d
"TY"? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 11 pts · 193d
touche
okcomputer@piefed.world · 3 pts · 193d
Touché Yaoi? Online? That’s disgusting. Where?
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 192d
I know very few Leo’s or vets, like only a couple. But one that I do know NDed himself in the thigh while servicing his gun.
So you 0/N is somewhat offset by my 1/4.
Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 192d
Servicing a gun with a round in the chamber is negligent unless you’re in active combat.
There’s no context provided, but I can’t see any situation where you service a loaded firearm and point it at your thigh.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 192d
Oh yeah totally negligent. Which was my point. There are plenty of negligent cops and service members for every careful one.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Are you saying he was cleaning a loaded gun? Or am I misunderstanding?
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 192d
Was a friend of my brothers and I think he did it while attempting to clear it before cleaning.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
Urist@leminal.space · 21 pts · 192d
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it's not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 192d
Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.
Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.
Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.
You can also get a 'hangfire'.
Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.
Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.
Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 192d
I'll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I'd be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
Urist@leminal.space · 1 pts · 192d
You misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn't an accidental discharge since those don't exist. And it wasn't an intended discharge. And it wasn't a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Machinist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I've heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 192d
I like the documentation in that article.
The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there's simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun
also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe
Urist@leminal.space · 1 pts · 192d
That is the correct argument. This isn't an accident, this is pure negligence.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 193d
They shoot themselves in the foot to get out of work.
massacre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 193d
yah... "Doubt" on that one
Zron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Familiarity breeds passivity
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
I wouldn't be surprised if 'experienced' agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure "enforcement" actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to 'action'.
A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.
decended_being@midwest.social · 60 pts · 193d
Finally, some good fucking news.
hector@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 193d
Until they start blaming protesters for it. Like Israel when their occupying forces run over their own unexploded ordnance and they blame it on hamas.
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 4 pts · 192d
hector@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 192d
Felony murder is used like that all the time, for any death that they say results or was influenced by your lawbreaking. Like if I asked you for a ride to the store, then went in the store and shot someone, jumped in your car and went home. Even if you didn't know you are vulnerable, and we all know how prosecutors and police lie.
What is it, a 15 or 20 year felony, often tacked onto a list of other crimes. But if for a police that shot himself chasing you or something they might even bring more extreme charges. Like I've heard of real world cases of people spitting on police that were charged with attempted murder, theory being they were trying to give them terminal diseases, but the alleged spitter didn't have any disease, they just charged that as a reaction.
Spitting on someone is bullshit, but what about when you are talking, sometimes a little bit of spit will fly out of your mouth and land on someone, it happens to everyone occasionally.
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 192d
Unless it's something trivial, like storming the capitol of the country and getting a few folks killed along the way.
Smeagol666@crazypeople.online · 3 pts · 192d
Don't give the fuckers any ideas.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 192d
fr
Grimy@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 193d
Sometimes, you need a bad guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 192d
Since they cant handle firearms safely then they shouldnt be permitted to have any.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 192d
That is a most un-American thing to say.
As a gun owner, I approve.
modus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 192d
"You can't have guns." – Trump, 27 Jan 2026
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 192d
As a convicted felon, he certainly can't.
modus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 192d
He can't vote either.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 192d
whoa there....Americans not in death squads shoot each other or themselves accidently over 44,000 times a year.
The right to be idiots is in the constitatuition.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 192d
Unless they only use it to shoot themselves / each other.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
About that...
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 192d
Call me when it's in the head. Although I doubt that would be lethal for an ICE agent.
Etterra@discuss.online · 7 pts · 192d
Agreed. They'd have to hit a vital spot.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 5 pts · 192d
Zombie rules it is.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 192d
Well for these gravy seals it's not the head - it's the cankles.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 3 pts · 192d
I was thinking brain stem.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
*Null void stem
easyloot@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 193d
toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 193d
Sorry sir, doing my best
Hayduke@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 193d
We are surrounded by assholes!
lividweasel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 193d
Yo!
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 193d
Now playing Dennis Leary - Asshole
exaybachae@startrek.website · 1 pts · 192d
I naturally read that in Siri's voice.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 192d
When will ice agents extrajudicially execute themselves over it? They're attacking law enforcement.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 193d
Author throwing some shade there.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 193d
They don’t even need the Sig P320s
Nasan@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 193d
They're certainly welcome to them though.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Fuck that, you can build a flux raider for $7-800 easy because how much people hate 320s. Which is much better than paying Sig the $1800 they want for a new one.
That being said: cops and military will shoot themselves microwaves if left unattended.
exaybachae@startrek.website · 1 pts · 192d
OMG that Raider 365 marketing video is hilarious 😂
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
I haven't seen it.
But I do know the founder daily carries one everywhere, and just won like the highest rank in PCC shooting with one. He had to change the brace to a stock tho to enter lmao.
They all look mall ninja as shit, and really shouldn't be legal. But they're ridiculously fun and actually practical, well, as practical as you can get when 99.999% of gun owners never come close to needing one.
That shit might not keep being true for long tho.
exaybachae@startrek.website · 1 pts · 192d
As a side, not as an argument, people don't need a lot of things to merely survive. Like paint. You could argue you never need paint. But somebody who paints for a hobby certainly needs it for their hobby.
Words, fickle bitches they are.
Aeri@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 192d
Finally a shooting statistic I can get behind.
crank0271@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 192d
Ironically, the solution is more guns
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 192d
It's always nice when the trash takes itself out.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 20 pts · 193d
Task failed successfully? They are hurting the violent people.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
The worst of the worst
debil@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 193d
Finally a good use of bullets.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 193d
Trump will want to give them purple hearts and then he'll keep it for himself.
thoughtfuldragon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 193d
Couldn't happen to better people
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 192d
Evolution is doing it’s part.
RustyShackleford@programming.dev · 15 pts · 192d
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 192d
Good.
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 193d
Drusas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 193d
Hyphenation is a beautiful thing.
Decq@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 192d
If you shoot an asshole, did you really shoot them? The hole was already there...
HubertManne@piefed.social · 12 pts · 193d
good to hear. seriously, when goode was shot the guys buddies head was like right next to her. I keep wondering how they have not shot each other.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Keep hope alive.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 192d
It's probably one of those occupations with a Maximum IQ requirement rather than a Minimum IQ requirement.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 192d
They don't even need to have an intelligence cap that limits you from hiring, like how the police operate, because if you're applying in the first place it's assumed you're too stupid to question orders and just want to shoot people for not being white.
UltraMagnus@startrek.website · 12 pts · 192d
The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn't new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 192d
That's what's surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you'd expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 192d
Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I've gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it's not been a problem.
You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn't, and suddenly you've got skeleton hands because you didn't feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.
nao@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 191d
5 years of experience in being a moron
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 193d
Three? Can they not pick up the pace?
RadioEthiopiate@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 193d
They should aim a little higher next time.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 193d
decapitae@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 193d
This is what they're counting as ramped up "attacks".
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 193d
The guy who illegally disarmed pretti was a bigger danger to his buddies.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 9 pts · 193d
Aim higher guys.
ChillPenguin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 192d
I misread this and got really excited for a moment.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 192d
If the military get a purple heart when shot, what do ICE get? Purple colon? Purple sphincter?
OCATMBBL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 192d
Purple Ice Pops.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 3 pts · 192d
Why go with purple sphincter when orange sphincter is right there? On second thought, that might lead to confusion with someone else...
dellish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
Blue balls.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 192d
The Purple Shart.
mineralfellow@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 192d
An ideal police force is full of Andy’s. They seem to be full of Barney’s.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 192d
IUnderstoodThatReference.jpg
ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
generic1546@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 193d
Not fast enough
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 192d
Lethally?
homes@piefed.world · 7 pts · 193d
When these douche-nozzles shoot themselves, I will do nothing but cheer
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
Cheer? I'll get my dick out and beat off.
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 3 pts · 193d
And I choose to cheer you on.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Thank you, you have no idea how much my supporters mean to me. I do this for y'all.
mr_account@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 193d
Who trained these assholes? And can we get them to train more of them?
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 192d
Rhodes? What's his name, the Oath Keepers guy, with the eyepatch that got pardoned for sedition, stewart rhodes. He taught firearm safety, and during a class he shot himself in the eye, it's on video, I saw it on social media once but it's not findable by searching somehow he must have suppressed it somehow.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 192d
I don't know if Rhodes actually trained ICE goons (though it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the case to some extent), but I do want to chime in with Rhodes' son and ex-wife explaining how Stewart lost his eye.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fGhCwSlOJeI
Basically, in 1991, he was either taking his mom's old .22 derringer, to give it to his friend, a crack dealer, and he at one point dropped the gun, looked at it, it fired into his eye...
...which on its own would be illegally transferring an unregistered firearm to a convicted felon...
... Or, what the ex-wife and son surmise, is that he was actually running security for a drug deal, and then dropped the gun, it fired into his eye.
Either way, he had a prosthetic eye from '91 onward, and then... well according to the son and ex wife, at some point, he just stopped cleaning it, his eye socket got infected, ruptured, he never bothered to get it fully surgically repaired to the point it could accept/fit a prosthetic eye, and just started wearing an eye patch.
... I will note that his ex wife mentions that Stewart had a habit of trying to palm small concealable pistols, basically as a magician will palm various props in a magic show routine.
A fair number of older .22 derringers do not have trigger guards, so... in my opinion, it could be the case that he tried to palm such a derringer, and, not accounting for the lack of a trigger guard, actually did literally pull the trigger (within the folds of his palm) and directly shot himself in the face.
While I have no idea what the specific model of derringer was, here is an example of what I am talking about:
As you can see, no trigger guard.
If you tried to palm such a weapon, you probably could negligently discharge it fairly easily.
Anyway, there are at least a few kind of viral videos of firearms safety instructors aciddentally firing a weapon or shooting themself that go back to the earlier days of the internet... I don't know that any of those were Stewart Rhodes, though.
It would make sense that anybody with a video like that of themselves floating around would try to get it scrubbed, or it could be taken down due to depicting violence/gore...
So my guess would be that yes you have seen videos like what you describe... yes they are harder to find these days, but, it might not have been Rhodes in them.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 192d
No, I'm almost positive Rhodes lost it teaching gun safety, because it's on video, circulated on reddit a few years back but it disappeared. We watched an overhead security camera's view of him shooting himself in the eye accidently. Somewhere in california if memory serves.
I was joking about him training Ice. I should've been more clear.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 192d
... Well, watch the video I linked, his son and ex-wife disagree with you, they say he lost his eye in
'91'93, not teaching firearm safety, but instead in the above scenario.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Rhodes
Where citations 7 and 11 are New York Times and Los Angeles Times articles that cite Tasha Adams, the Rhodes' ex wife.
But I did make a mistake, this happened in '93, not '91.
If you can't provide the video, I'm going with you remembered it wrong, or maybe a different video of an instructor shooting themself was just labelled as being Rhodes.
And I am also not joking about Rhodes training ICE goons.
He's literally the exact kind of person who would be eager to do so, and he could probably easily get a job doing that, either officially or as basically a contractor.
I can't provide any evidence that he has, but like I said, it would not surprise me at all.
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 192d
It's possible I remembered it wrong or have the wrong person, I'm quite sure I don't have it wrong but I've thought that before and been wrong. Unfortunately I couldn't find the video when I looked for it before. It's not a freely circulating video I think it gets removed.
Pretty sure I'm right though, and the Times is garbage as far as I'm concerned they traded their credibility, what remained of it. I trust the video of it happening more but I don't care enough to search for it on enshitified search engines that no longer try to find what I'm asking for. At least now when I'm procrastinating starting to work maybe later.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 192d
I think it is not entirely the fault of who ever is training them, but the one who gave them too little time to train them, there is only so much you can do in little time
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 192d
Oh no! Anyway...
can@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 193d
It's not satire. Fucking A.
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 193d
Good.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 192d
Moar!
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Maybe because they realized they are the terrorists
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Three seems like a proportionally high number. I wonder how this compares with other armed professions and their respective rates of the same accident.
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 192d
Finally somebody taking action against this scourge of domestic terrorism
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
Kickass, hopefully every one of them is fatal.
Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 193d
🤡🧊🤡🧊🤡
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 192d
Flawless Gun Safety 👊🇺🇸🔥
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 192d
lol
osanna@thebrainbin.org · 3 pts · 193d
nice. Keep it up!
pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 191d
not nearly often enough
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 192d
And that's why you don't hire gravy seals.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
I Just Fucking Shot Myself -- The Musical
Kalon@feddit.online · 3 pts · 192d
Do better next time.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
Effective training
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 193d
Them marching proudly in their fathers' footsteps. To what we'd say good, but not nearly enough.
peacefulpixel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
kokesh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Lovely! Let's hope they shoot everyone of them between themselves soon.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 1 pts · 192d
Do... do they still get paid?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 192d
Probably get a medal. Purple Fart.
Semper fudge.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
If I could get paid for shooting ICE officers I'd sign up tomorrow.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 3 pts · 192d
Absolute immunity should cover a little friendly fire.
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 192d
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
Shame the bullets did not hit their fucking femoral artery! The useless racist bastards can carry on shooting themselves and each other.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 193d
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 193d
Saterz@lemmy.world · -26 pts · 192d
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 192d
They are kidnapping, torturing, starving, raping, and killing innocent people.
Celebrating their harm/death is definitely the right call here.
Saterz@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 192d
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 192d
Comparing ICE agents to dogs isn’t helping your argument here…
Saterz@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 192d
jumjummy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 192d
While my comment was mostly snark, the main point is that unlike a dog, these folks have agency in their decisions and approach to situations. Is the underlying management strategy of DHS/ICE wrong? Absolutely, but you don’t get to “I’m just following orders” your way through this as an ICE agent.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 192d
You can hate multiple things at once. I hate the individual agents and the administration. You cannot have a machine of oppression without both components; thus they are both worthy of hate.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense for heinous acts. These people are evil. They are not only following inhumane orders, but going further. They’re not ordered to murder or rape people in custody but they do, because they want to. They’re grown ups making their own decisions. And those decisions are evil.
They are not mindless beasts. They know what they’re doing. They have no empathy. No respect for human life. They chose their paths. I’ll celebrate when that path leads to their demise.
Death to all Nazi scum.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 10 pts · 192d
OH NO, won't some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn't that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
Saterz@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 192d
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
There's some nuance here though when they shoot themselves with their own firearms. That's absolutely self inflicted "play stupid games" material. So I wouldn't condemn people celebrating this particular type of accidents.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 192d
I would celebrate their admission of wrongdoing and willful rehabilitation to civil society. Alternatively, if the way they stop being a threat is that they happen to die, I will celebrate that decent people are safer as a result.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 1 pts · 192d
They are also an origination killing people and publicly celebrating the murders as an act of "counter terrorism". You don't sign up for the gestapo for good vibes.
Saterz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
GR4CELESS@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 192d
You realize that "assholes" doesn't even come close, right?
Saterz@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 192d
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 192d
Nope.
I save my empathy for people who actually have empathy of their own.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 192d
No. Not for these people, not even a tiny bit. I'll sleep like a baby.
GR4CELESS@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 192d
I'm not celebrating any of this, to be very clear. It's more of a grim satisfaction. We departed ages ago from whether it's right or wrong. They're fascists. And they're grossly incompetent. I am not upset by news that those doing vast and needless harm to innocent people are victim of their own incompetence and negligence. I'll admit to some schadenfreude and move on with my life.
Megamanexent@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 192d
I find the detention, shooting, and killing of innocent lives to be abhorrent. I ain't going to cry for the people perpetrating this violence, and I wish violence upon them. If they die, so be it. 1 less person killing innocent lives.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 192d
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 192d
You joined here about 5 hours ago...probably to spout your fascist-appeasing nonsense. Your opinion means ZERO
Saterz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 192d
These are murderous Nazis. your support is disgusting.
Saterz@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 192d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 192d
You are equating these sadists to normal humans. They would shoot you if they had any excuse.
Saterz@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 192d
Tenthrow@lemmy.world MOD · 4 pts · 192d
This comment is getting reported. I'm not going to remove it, even though it's a dumbass thing to say. Just take it apart with your own comment if you want, there's no benefit to anyone if I silence it.
Saterz@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 192d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 192d
Not all humans are equal. These assholes are guilty of crimes against humanity, so any one less of them by any means makes a better world.
ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
Yes. Gleefully to every post you've made in this thread