unfortunately i'm having a touch of trouble finding the articles that documented what the protestors were responding to, so i'll get why you would think this saw no coverage. maaan i cannot stand this moratorium on info about ice operations. this is stuff i've been following closely so i'll try to save a link if i find something better
Too bad our government was just like, we'll pardon your war crimes and forget you're a Nazi if you're good at science and can help us do science things better than other countries!
Pretty much everyone has done this historically, fuck even Rome did it. Smart people are often times worth their weight in gold especially if they made life annoying for you and your army, so they basically fall into the category of war loot.
Also it's usually a either you join us or we kill you situation.
The history of denazifying Germany shows that the Allies were torn on this.
To summerize:
Russia "Okay, let's kill all the Germans."
Britain "Oh, but then we're no better than them. We must make due process for all the Nazis."
USA "Yeah, I don't think either of you understand the scale of this."
And the Americans was right. A due process would have taken centuries, and nobody wanted to pay for it.
So that's why the Nuremberg trials only reached the top of the iceberg and millions of Nazis got away with no other punishment than memories of shame.
Lmfao what ?
First of all it's not Russia, it's the Soviet Union, whichh is an important discussion, and secondly they didn't want to kill all germans, but make sure denazification was fully done, with no risk of having a single nazi left in power.
You're saying it as if they made an outlandish proposal and it was rejected by the others; in reality they had control of East Germany and had no need for anyone's approval in their denazification efforts, which was successful.
Meanwhile nazis that werent notorious enough or part of the holocaust were basically put back in power in West Germany.
Soviet zone: From the beginning, denazification in the Soviet zone was considered a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society and was quickly and effectively implemented. Members of the Nazi Party and its organizations were often brutally beaten before being arrested and interned. The NKVD was directly in charge of this process and oversaw the camps. In 1948, the camps were placed under the same administration as the gulag in the Soviet government. According to official records, 122,600 people were interned; 34,700 of those interned in this process were considered to be Soviet citizens, with the rest being German
Let's math: 122600-34700= 87900 Germans.
Former Nazi officials quickly realized that they would face fewer obstacles and investigations in the zones controlled by the Western Allies. Many of them saw a chance to defect to the West on the pretext of anti-communism.
Conditions in the internment camps were terrible, and between 42,000 and 80,000 prisoners died.
Sure they never directly stated that they deliberately wanted to kill all the Nazi, but the result is still that they did kill a good chunk of them (between 50-90%) in the camps.
We actually kind of have the alternative to that as well. In Iraq the US took all members of the Baath party of Hussein. It was very clearly a horrible organization, which commited genocide and many other crimes, but doing so removed all sorts of people from power, which had usefull skills and kind of needed to be party members. For example when you built roads, you really need engineers in the government to check if that road is actually going to be built correctly. Even worse they through the secret service and military members into the same prison as islamic terrorists. So when the US left Iraq, those terrorists got access to people with a very particular set of skills.
Really the only way to go about it, is to built up the alternative in the back, trial the worsed cases and keep the Nazis or whatever other evil group from gaining power.
Iraq did not collapse due to the Baath party members taking over. It collapsed due too few competent people in positions of power. That opened up the prisons and allowed the Baath party members to take over. Killing them would not have stopped Iraq from collapsing, when the US left.
It was pretty much still happening in the South while those grandparents were busy fighting it elsewhere. And it continued to happen in the US south for decades after WWII.
Actually heard from a colleague there that he was actively doing just that, at least a few weeks ago. Complete with the cloak and dagger about coordinating it offline and avoiding active patrols and protests that would similarly draw too much attention.
Yes, awfully 1930s German scenario that happened there.
and don't thing because the US is hosting world sport events they are any different than Germany at that time, because Germany held the Olympics in 1936, at the height of their nazi power
Still, while I obviously can't write here what I'm doing, I'm confident it qualifies as "me going first". If we were with more people, we could do more than make the news a couple times per year.
The problem is that most of us that would protest are not in a financial position to do so. If I participate in a work strike, I won't make the money I need to pay my bills, I'll be evicted, I'll go hungry, I won't be able to feed the family or the pets I will go destitute long before actual change happens. I'm not just making sacrifices, I am making that decision for my whole family. And that's just the surface level changes. I cannot afford to leave where I am currently. I believe that is all by design and I am not even close to the minority situation.
I guess US citizens are then in a financial situation similar to what US foreign policy has encouraged in several regions of the world.
Anyone can downvote all they want, but US interventionism has had terrible consequences that most US citizens are not even aware of, yet people push back, they resist, despite much greater poverty than most people in the US have to suffer.
I’m confident that US citizens can eventually do something concrete against their most recent criminal regime, of which there have been many. We haven’t even yet seen the level of pushback that was mounted during the war on Vietnam, and armed thugs are out there killing your citizens and kidnapping people off the streets.
I just hope that pushback comes sooner than later because history shows us that people outside the US tend to suffer much more due to US policy than people inside the US.
Because if you want anything to change, the pressure has got to be applied in the right direction. If people just keep blaming their neighbours, of course no politician will ever feel like they have to do anything to improve things.
If you want anything to change, you need to take effective actions. The consequence politicians face by taking ineffective actions is maybe not winning their race. The consequence our neighbors face by taking ineffective actions is the erosion of their civil rights.
If you actually want to pressure politicians, you do it by contacting them directly to inform them of their failings, they're not just going to magically know why you didn't vote or vote third party.
Protest voting doesn't apply the pressure you think it does.
If you actually want to pressure politicians, you do it by contacting them directly to inform them of their failings
Sure, that's a thing you should do
they're not just going to magically know why you didn't vote or vote third party
They actually expend substantial effort and sums of money to find this out, there's nothing magical about it.
Protest voting doesn't apply the pressure you think it does.
On the other hand, voting for them anyway if they do something absolutely abhorrent and beyond any kind of humanity tells them they can get away with anything and is just a race to the bottom.
Some of them think that it would have eventually reached this point anyway, if not under this republican administration, then the next one. And there's a good case for that.
Others think you can't sign on to far worse atrocities that just happen to be perpetrated elsewhere in the world, no matter what, because you are then personally complicit. Also a valid viewpoint.
The performative cruelty that this administration is practicing is genuinely a new low, it's true. But the burden of doing something about it was and is on people with institutional power, not random ordinary people. The democrats could easily have won the election and they chose not to, and after the trump team, they are the ones to blame next.
The people that voted for Trump are first to blame. People that didn't vote are second. It's that simple. There are reasons why a person may have decided not to vote, but none of them change that fact that not voting was effectively a vote for Trump. I view non voters a small step above Trump voters. They at least have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking skills as one another.
Just so you know, you’re replying to .ml there. I mean, I agree, but reasoned discussion isn’t going to win out with the leftist leftists that ever lefted.
Yea, I saw that after processing the comment. Still, I want people that may be unaware and read the comment chain to understand the reality. Silence is complacency.
Do third party voters come in between those two options or after "didn't vote"?
Seriously, it's all true. It is the fault of Trump Voters, the DNC, 3rd party voters, and non-voters.
Hell, I'll go one further and say those who do nothing but vote for the most progressive Dem in the primary and then vote for the Dem no matter who it is AND that is all they have ever done to address how terrible the Dem party is, also share in the blame.
That's totally fallacious. Not voting is not voting. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is that you think that one specific party is by default entitled to votes, no matter what they do, which is wrong. Politicians have to earn votes. They chose a platform which was not popular and so they lost. And they did that to protect specific interests.
I do get being upset at people who are nominally on your side but decided not to vote. It's understandable. But in no way are they anywhere near as much to blame as the people who had a more than two billion dollar marketing budget for their political campaign and decided "fuck what the people want".
With the way our first past the goalposts system works, it's true. By not voting you're saying that you're fine with either outcome.
When one of those options has straight up told you they'll be a dictator on day one and you'll never vote again, as well as publishing their playbook on how they're going to do it, choosing to not vote against them is saying you're fine with it.
And it's not like protest voting actually hurt the DNC. It just hurt every vulnerable person in the country.
No it's fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
And yes, non voters are more responsible for this than the DNC sending a shit message. If non voters and third party voted Kamala, we wouldn't have a dictator in the White house right now. The DNC didn't put him there, voters for Trump and non voters did.
The birthplace of freedom and democracy. The beacon of light and justice in the world. So strange that it is happening over there. Who could have seen this coming?
One could expect this to happen anywhere, but in the United States of America? No way.
Even the American left has had their national exceptionalism so deeply ingrained that they cant stop screaming "We're number 1!" while they are drowning.
Thats why they were the perfect mark. The idea that it could happen to them was so preposterous.
But with this I thought it was laid on thick enough so the people who read it as sarcasm read it as sarcasm and the people who don't deserve to live in confusion.
It's unbelievable that Minnesota Dems are trying to push though some of the worst gun grabbing legislature of the century. At the time nazis are literally at the front steps.
I was listening to an interview of a progressive in my country. And based from his observation, he mentioned many politicians just don't care. Like, really don't care.
There is a reason as to why politics is said to be where psychopaths coverge, because they want positions of power for power's sake. So that explains why many politicians really don't care.
When you have majority of funding through corporations, why will the politicians care about people? If people start lobbying and competing for money, the politicians will start caring
Legal bribery aka lobbying needs to be taken out of politics. Money shouldn't be involved but it is unfortunately. Even the most 'sacred' position is now head by a literal businessman
Well yeah. Who else could you possibly be talking about? Nobody is ruining their own country, that screenshot is about people in a warzone being invaded, not people who are intentionally harming themselves.
You blame victims of genocide for their own oppression, and now you're accusing me of being a bot. This is projection, as you have no humanity yourself.
ICE doesn't have a city, they are not people but a legal entity. The individual people who joined ICE are traitors and are thus not American. ICE cannot destroy "their own city." That doesn't make any sense.
Lmfao I thought they meant eat the food jfc I am dumb. The worst part is, i've seen this tweet before, and I understood what it meant the first time. Pregnancy brain.
This time. I figured neighborhood must be an app like uber eats, and they're saying just act like the food is for yourself.
But I've been told Democrats are SO HORRIBLE that we have to allow felon pedophile fascists to run our country instead.
I mean Dems fumbled a single foreign affair topic, so it makes sense that we should just let masked unaccountable federal agents violate our Constitutional rights and murder American citizens.
Sure. That's not mutually incompatible with preferring the least terrible option to the most terrible though.
People view it as "Democrats don't deserve to win because they didn't have a good enough candidate", when they should be viewing it as "Democrats didn't field the candidate I deserve, but I still deserve better than the Republican".
Posts like this spread quickly, so it’s always worth double-checking sources before reacting. Big claims deserve solid evidence, especially when they involve serious accusations.
One commenter on this very thread has already said their brother who lives there told them the same thing.
So. Uh. Does that work, or - ? You need video or - ? What’s the threshold here where it goes from random xitter post to Actual Fucked Up Thing? I mean, I copied this from another blog, so to your point yeah I dunno if it’s real but I DO know that if it is real it’s damned sure not going to appear in the NYT or CBS News either.
We’re without journalism now. It’s, like, dead dead. Mostly.
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Triumph@fedia.io · 119 pts · 170d
Like the other - date on this? Would add context.
Dkiscoo@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 170d
January 23 2026
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 170d
Thank you, fellow person who searches: https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2014761894913937478
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 170d
What the actual fuck. This is straight from Anne Frank's diary, just change their coats.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 85 pts · 170d
Except in the case of Bovino where you don't even have to change the fucking coat 🤦
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 170d
Agent641@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 170d
He even has that Hess haircut
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 168d
Looks like a kid trying on daddy's coat
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 170d
You noticed that too, huh. You’d think it’d make the news or something.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 170d
it did. this tweet is about a month old
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 169d
Cool, cool. Hey can you link that article? Kthx.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 169d
unfortunately i'm having a touch of trouble finding the articles that documented what the protestors were responding to, so i'll get why you would think this saw no coverage. maaan i cannot stand this moratorium on info about ice operations. this is stuff i've been following closely so i'll try to save a link if i find something better
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
Thank you!
daddycool@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 170d
This is what your grandparents fought and died for to prevent from ever happening again.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 25 pts · 170d
Too bad our government was just like, we'll pardon your war crimes and forget you're a Nazi if you're good at science and can help us do science things better than other countries!
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 170d
Pretty much everyone has done this historically, fuck even Rome did it. Smart people are often times worth their weight in gold especially if they made life annoying for you and your army, so they basically fall into the category of war loot.
Also it's usually a either you join us or we kill you situation.
bstix@feddit.dk · 12 pts · 170d
The history of denazifying Germany shows that the Allies were torn on this.
To summerize:
Russia "Okay, let's kill all the Germans."
Britain "Oh, but then we're no better than them. We must make due process for all the Nazis."
USA "Yeah, I don't think either of you understand the scale of this."
And the Americans was right. A due process would have taken centuries, and nobody wanted to pay for it.
So that's why the Nuremberg trials only reached the top of the iceberg and millions of Nazis got away with no other punishment than memories of shame.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 169d
I think the Russians did the best job.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 169d
Lmfao what ? First of all it's not Russia, it's the Soviet Union, whichh is an important discussion, and secondly they didn't want to kill all germans, but make sure denazification was fully done, with no risk of having a single nazi left in power.
You're saying it as if they made an outlandish proposal and it was rejected by the others; in reality they had control of East Germany and had no need for anyone's approval in their denazification efforts, which was successful.
Meanwhile nazis that werent notorious enough or part of the holocaust were basically put back in power in West Germany.
bstix@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 169d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Let's math: 122600-34700= 87900 Germans.
Sure they never directly stated that they deliberately wanted to kill all the Nazi, but the result is still that they did kill a good chunk of them (between 50-90%) in the camps.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 168d
Well yeah, killing the Nazis is effective denazification, I don't object to that in any measure.
You didn't say "kill all the Nazis" though, you said "kill all the Germans"
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 169d
We actually kind of have the alternative to that as well. In Iraq the US took all members of the Baath party of Hussein. It was very clearly a horrible organization, which commited genocide and many other crimes, but doing so removed all sorts of people from power, which had usefull skills and kind of needed to be party members. For example when you built roads, you really need engineers in the government to check if that road is actually going to be built correctly. Even worse they through the secret service and military members into the same prison as islamic terrorists. So when the US left Iraq, those terrorists got access to people with a very particular set of skills.
Really the only way to go about it, is to built up the alternative in the back, trial the worsed cases and keep the Nazis or whatever other evil group from gaining power.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 169d
That literally is what we did and it didnt work. Kill them. So they can never do it again. The Soviets were right.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 169d
Iraq did not collapse due to the Baath party members taking over. It collapsed due too few competent people in positions of power. That opened up the prisons and allowed the Baath party members to take over. Killing them would not have stopped Iraq from collapsing, when the US left.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 168d
For whatever reason I thought you were talking about ww2 and the nazis. I must have not been paying enough attention scrolling the chain
uienia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
It was pretty much still happening in the South while those grandparents were busy fighting it elsewhere. And it continued to happen in the US south for decades after WWII.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 170d
Actually heard from a colleague there that he was actively doing just that, at least a few weeks ago. Complete with the cloak and dagger about coordinating it offline and avoiding active patrols and protests that would similarly draw too much attention.
Yes, awfully 1930s German scenario that happened there.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 54 pts · 170d
I learnt about this is school. I think the year was 1935...
Edit. Spelling.
foggianism@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 170d
and don't thing because the US is hosting world sport events they are any different than Germany at that time, because Germany held the Olympics in 1936, at the height of their nazi power
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 169d
Reason ~ why I won't watch the Olympics.
Lorax@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 169d
How about the world cup
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 169d
Also not watching that.
speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 47 pts · 170d
Still waiting for US citizens to organize a nationwide strike that doesn’t end until ICE terror ends. What’s it gonna take?
can@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 170d
The system is rigged against this. The majority are 2 weeks away from lights out or kicked out.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 170d
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 169d
A huge percentage of unions in Minnesota are reporting not being able to pay rent next week.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 170d
So fight off the ones that would kick people out and replace the ones that would turn the lights off.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 169d
"Just change the whole economic and governmental system you live under"
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
That is the argument everytime they try to tell people not to vote. Which is not only contradictory it's just delusional.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · -2 pts · 169d
Yes, exactly, now you get it.
It's either that or waiting for the fascists to murder you. So get to it.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 169d
"Just move a mountain with your hands" you first bud
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 169d
I'm not American so I can't help directly.
Still, while I obviously can't write here what I'm doing, I'm confident it qualifies as "me going first". If we were with more people, we could do more than make the news a couple times per year.
So... you next?
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 170d
Some very good organization. That's a lot of people which means a lot of room for error.
speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 170d
I agree, but if given the choice between error and fascism, I’ll take error.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 170d
Then get out there and organize. It takes you.
speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 169d
Thankfully, I’m not from the USA nor will I ever travel there again.
I will, however, work against the interests of its long-running bloody empire.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 169d
The problem is that most of us that would protest are not in a financial position to do so. If I participate in a work strike, I won't make the money I need to pay my bills, I'll be evicted, I'll go hungry, I won't be able to feed the family or the pets I will go destitute long before actual change happens. I'm not just making sacrifices, I am making that decision for my whole family. And that's just the surface level changes. I cannot afford to leave where I am currently. I believe that is all by design and I am not even close to the minority situation.
TerdFerguson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
Yeah, its not a viable option for everyone. Clandestine methods are an option.
In France, they light things on fire.
speckofrust@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 169d
I guess US citizens are then in a financial situation similar to what US foreign policy has encouraged in several regions of the world.
Anyone can downvote all they want, but US interventionism has had terrible consequences that most US citizens are not even aware of, yet people push back, they resist, despite much greater poverty than most people in the US have to suffer.
I’m confident that US citizens can eventually do something concrete against their most recent criminal regime, of which there have been many. We haven’t even yet seen the level of pushback that was mounted during the war on Vietnam, and armed thugs are out there killing your citizens and kidnapping people off the streets.
I just hope that pushback comes sooner than later because history shows us that people outside the US tend to suffer much more due to US policy than people inside the US.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 169d
STOP POSTING TWEETS WITHOUT DATE STAMPS!
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · -33 pts · 169d
Why don’t you post something? POST SOME TWEETS AND INCLUDE DATE STAMPS!
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 169d
As someone who avoids X/Twitter like the plague, no.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 169d
X/Twitter, otherwise known as shitter.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 170d
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 170d
No, this is what the democratic party would still rather have than sending one less bomb to Israel.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 170d
So you got this AND bombs for Israel
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 170d
Yeah, we did, and the people who purposefully threw the election rather than compromise one bit with what the people wanted are responsible.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 170d
And yet we are the ones to suffer the consequences. Who cares who's "responsible"? What matters is who is affected.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 170d
Because if you want anything to change, the pressure has got to be applied in the right direction. If people just keep blaming their neighbours, of course no politician will ever feel like they have to do anything to improve things.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 169d
If you want anything to change, you need to take effective actions. The consequence politicians face by taking ineffective actions is maybe not winning their race. The consequence our neighbors face by taking ineffective actions is the erosion of their civil rights.
If you actually want to pressure politicians, you do it by contacting them directly to inform them of their failings, they're not just going to magically know why you didn't vote or vote third party.
Protest voting doesn't apply the pressure you think it does.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 169d
Sure, that's a thing you should do
They actually expend substantial effort and sums of money to find this out, there's nothing magical about it.
On the other hand, voting for them anyway if they do something absolutely abhorrent and beyond any kind of humanity tells them they can get away with anything and is just a race to the bottom.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 170d
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
"You must accept this boot to the neck or we let the crazy guy shoot you," isn't the slam dunk argument you think it is.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 169d
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 170d
Sure, comrade.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 170d
This isn't reddit where bloodlusting fuckwits like you are cool and praised for making cringe statement as a gotcha.
Stop bootlicking the oligarchy. Maybe grow some spine.
Master167@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 170d
Both are true, at the same time.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 170d
The right: these extremists decide elections so we'll make it our whole platform again
The left: these extremists decide elections so we'll blame them again
someguy3@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 170d
Who's blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 24 pts · 170d
They unironically believe this would have all played out identically under Kamala.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 170d
They are morons then
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 170d
Nobody thinks that.
Some of them think that it would have eventually reached this point anyway, if not under this republican administration, then the next one. And there's a good case for that.
Others think you can't sign on to far worse atrocities that just happen to be perpetrated elsewhere in the world, no matter what, because you are then personally complicit. Also a valid viewpoint.
The performative cruelty that this administration is practicing is genuinely a new low, it's true. But the burden of doing something about it was and is on people with institutional power, not random ordinary people. The democrats could easily have won the election and they chose not to, and after the trump team, they are the ones to blame next.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 170d
The people that voted for Trump are first to blame. People that didn't vote are second. It's that simple. There are reasons why a person may have decided not to vote, but none of them change that fact that not voting was effectively a vote for Trump. I view non voters a small step above Trump voters. They at least have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking skills as one another.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
Just so you know, you’re replying to .ml there. I mean, I agree, but reasoned discussion isn’t going to win out with the leftist leftists that ever lefted.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
Yea, I saw that after processing the comment. Still, I want people that may be unaware and read the comment chain to understand the reality. Silence is complacency.
thlibos@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 170d
Do third party voters come in between those two options or after "didn't vote"?
Seriously, it's all true. It is the fault of Trump Voters, the DNC, 3rd party voters, and non-voters.
Hell, I'll go one further and say those who do nothing but vote for the most progressive Dem in the primary and then vote for the Dem no matter who it is AND that is all they have ever done to address how terrible the Dem party is, also share in the blame.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 170d
That's totally fallacious. Not voting is not voting. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is that you think that one specific party is by default entitled to votes, no matter what they do, which is wrong. Politicians have to earn votes. They chose a platform which was not popular and so they lost. And they did that to protect specific interests.
I do get being upset at people who are nominally on your side but decided not to vote. It's understandable. But in no way are they anywhere near as much to blame as the people who had a more than two billion dollar marketing budget for their political campaign and decided "fuck what the people want".
village604@adultswim.fan · 8 pts · 170d
With the way our first past the goalposts system works, it's true. By not voting you're saying that you're fine with either outcome.
When one of those options has straight up told you they'll be a dictator on day one and you'll never vote again, as well as publishing their playbook on how they're going to do it, choosing to not vote against them is saying you're fine with it.
And it's not like protest voting actually hurt the DNC. It just hurt every vulnerable person in the country.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
No it's fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
And yes, non voters are more responsible for this than the DNC sending a shit message. If non voters and third party voted Kamala, we wouldn't have a dictator in the White house right now. The DNC didn't put him there, voters for Trump and non voters did.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 2 pts · 170d
My inbox says otherwise.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
Obama deported people! Both sides same!
Krono@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 170d
Both sides onviously aren't the same, one is more evil than the other. But they are both evil.
Obama has the blood of tens of thousands of innocent civilians on his hands, shame on anyone helping him wash.
someguy3@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 170d
Exhibit A.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 170d
People who think this is reddit and they're winnning with these non-argument gotchas are hilariously sad.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 170d
You don't find fault with that, or place responsibility on them?
someguy3@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 170d
See above.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 170d
Did so, question remains.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 25 pts · 170d
Or memorize it/understand its location.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 169d
"In the United States of America".
The birthplace of freedom and democracy. The beacon of light and justice in the world. So strange that it is happening over there. Who could have seen this coming?
One could expect this to happen anywhere, but in the United States of America? No way.
Delphia@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 169d
Even the American left has had their national exceptionalism so deeply ingrained that they cant stop screaming "We're number 1!" while they are drowning.
Thats why they were the perfect mark. The idea that it could happen to them was so preposterous.
7101334@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Delphia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Who said they were?
7101334@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
You're replying to a deleted comment so I have no idea what you're referencing
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 7 pts · 169d
What ICE is doing now is just a louder and more brazen version of what they have been doing since their inception.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 168d
i have yet to attend a graduation ceremony where someone wasn't crying because they were getting deported the next day
uienia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
I really prefer when people write "/s" for sarcasm. With Poe's Law and all it is virtually impossible to distinguish sarcasm on the written internet.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 168d
I know, I usually do.
But with this I thought it was laid on thick enough so the people who read it as sarcasm read it as sarcasm and the people who don't deserve to live in confusion.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 170d
The correct answer is... "I'm getting groceries, show me a judicial warrant or fuck off."
vithigar@lemmy.ca · 59 pts · 170d
Because ICE famously adheres to jurisdictional boundaries?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 170d
And citizen requests!
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
It's not a request.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 170d
Well not to worry, the customer satisfaction managers at ICE are some of the best in the industry.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 170d
Yeah and the bullets they use won't be a request either, try not to get killed please.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
Those freedom seeds can go both directions.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 170d
Yeah let's just give up that'll work
Agent641@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
Stepouttathecarpleasesir.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 18 pts · 169d
Land of the Free! Land of opportunities!*
*Ts&Cs apply.
Abundance114@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 169d
Land of the free, not the land of free entry.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 170d
ALMOST 30 DAYS AGO! That's over seven hundred hours!
bagsy@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 170d
It's unbelievable that Minnesota Dems are trying to push though some of the worst gun grabbing legislature of the century. At the time nazis are literally at the front steps.
S4m_S3p1l@infosec.pub · 16 pts · 170d
I think that tells you everything you need to know.... It's a big club and you ain't in it! Time to form a new party for the working class.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
Liberals sabotaging themselves, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
GreenTara@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 169d
May they all be free from this soon
paul@lemmy.org · 13 pts · 170d
Land of the Free 😂
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 169d
write it on a paper? who doesn't remember single address without writing it down?
it is not really the point of the message, but it kinda is...
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 169d
If memory weren't so tattered, people wouldn't be repeating history, though.
nagaram@startrek.website · 5 pts · 169d
This has never stopped humanity from at least rhyming before
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 169d
My wife. She's hopeless at remembering an address. She can remember every time I forgot to refill the toilet paper though.
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 169d
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
Fox ratings silly.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
They don't care, they'll just say whomever they deported were MS13 members engaging in "violent pedophilia".
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
I was listening to an interview of a progressive in my country. And based from his observation, he mentioned many politicians just don't care. Like, really don't care.
There is a reason as to why politics is said to be where psychopaths coverge, because they want positions of power for power's sake. So that explains why many politicians really don't care.
kunaltyagi@programming.dev · 4 pts · 168d
When you have majority of funding through corporations, why will the politicians care about people? If people start lobbying and competing for money, the politicians will start caring
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 168d
Legal bribery aka lobbying needs to be taken out of politics. Money shouldn't be involved but it is unfortunately. Even the most 'sacred' position is now head by a literal businessman
kunaltyagi@programming.dev · 1 pts · 168d
Citizen United or something like that happened in US
sureshot0@discuss.online · -4 pts · 169d
They're not, they're delivering groceries to their neighbors??? Are we reading the same thing???
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 169d
sureshot0@discuss.online · -5 pts · 169d
Well yeah. Who else could you possibly be talking about? Nobody is ruining their own country, that screenshot is about people in a warzone being invaded, not people who are intentionally harming themselves.
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 169d
sureshot0@discuss.online · -3 pts · 169d
what
sureshot0@discuss.online · -4 pts · 169d
You blame victims of genocide for their own oppression, and now you're accusing me of being a bot. This is projection, as you have no humanity yourself.
syreus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
They were talking about ICE destroying their own country you bumbling fool.
sureshot0@discuss.online · 0 pts · 168d
ICE doesn't have a city, they are not people but a legal entity. The individual people who joined ICE are traitors and are thus not American. ICE cannot destroy "their own city." That doesn't make any sense.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 169d
When you vote in racist people, racist things will happen.
highjayhawk@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 169d
I know this is meant to refer to eating the paper but what if someone ate the food. Like munching on celery while ICE pulls you out your window.
Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 169d
"ANGANGANGANG YOU'LL NEVER TAKE THESE GROCERIES"
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
Lmfao I thought they meant eat the food jfc I am dumb. The worst part is, i've seen this tweet before, and I understood what it meant the first time. Pregnancy brain.
This time. I figured neighborhood must be an app like uber eats, and they're saying just act like the food is for yourself.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 169d
Sooner they get this national shutdown done, the easier it is.
elbiter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 168d
You could search and replace a few words in Anne Frank's Diary and make it happen in Minneapolis today.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 5 pts · 170d
Gilead much?
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 169d
Start delivering to us citizens. Accidentally go to leo or republican houses
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 168d
The new underground railroad. Keep safe all.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 169d
Don't WORRY! Their Leaders are EAGER and WILLING to
Protect them in ANY way Possible!ChillPenguin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
And they're after our boundary waters too. I'm so fucking sick of them.
needanke@feddit.org MOD · 3 pts · 165d
I can not pin non- moderator comments, so I'll re-comment it:
This tweet is from January 23 2026.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 168d
If that's NOT another reason to study and read socialist theory, I DON'T know what is. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
skullve@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 168d
Good website, thanks for sharing
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 168d
Time to organize
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
Use this as a training ground for avoiding government surveillance?
Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 170d
I’m wondering what aunt Sophie would say to this. 😢
TheFonz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
I was told living under Democrats and both parties are basically the same.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
But I've been told Democrats are SO HORRIBLE that we have to allow felon pedophile fascists to run our country instead.
I mean Dems fumbled a single foreign affair topic, so it makes sense that we should just let masked unaccountable federal agents violate our Constitutional rights and murder American citizens.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 169d
Don't you think people deserve to vote for someone they actually support, rather than the least terrible option though?
ricecake@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 169d
Sure. That's not mutually incompatible with preferring the least terrible option to the most terrible though.
People view it as "Democrats don't deserve to win because they didn't have a good enough candidate", when they should be viewing it as "Democrats didn't field the candidate I deserve, but I still deserve better than the Republican".
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
There were many fumbles.
In addition to running a cop and prosecutor right after 2020 and the litany of broken promises there. It can not be understated how terrible the strategy was of promising to be even tougher on immigration than the current administration.
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 169d
too bad there isnt a third option, like founding a new party or several.
tackleberry@thelemmy.club · -3 pts · 168d
At this point, people are making shit up
Abbysimons@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 170d
Posts like this spread quickly, so it’s always worth double-checking sources before reacting. Big claims deserve solid evidence, especially when they involve serious accusations.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 170d
One commenter on this very thread has already said their brother who lives there told them the same thing.
So. Uh. Does that work, or - ? You need video or - ? What’s the threshold here where it goes from random xitter post to Actual Fucked Up Thing? I mean, I copied this from another blog, so to your point yeah I dunno if it’s real but I DO know that if it is real it’s damned sure not going to appear in the NYT or CBS News either.
We’re without journalism now. It’s, like, dead dead. Mostly.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 170d
Why would you assume a random Lemmy user is more trustworthy than a random twitter user?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 170d
Great question! Who are you?
village604@adultswim.fan · 0 pts · 170d
Some random person on the Internet that shouldn't be blindly trusted.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 170d
I knew it!