I hate the regime in Iran. I have a dear friend who was victimized by it. But also hate Benji N's Israel and D. Trump and most of the ME surrounding who have done nothing for decades to control Iran. Oh noes! We have no ideas and no strategy so lets just send the Trump family a lot of money!
Some asshole on one of the forums I frequent stated that there was questionable information about the school. I responded that there was questionable information regarding his ethics and partisanship and I not only got blocked but my response was rejected... perhaps 'CULT' is a trigger word?
the way my Iranian friends have put it as they celebrate the death of the head of the regime and brace themselves for the impact of the new regime is that when you live under opression all your live, you learn to celebrate the small stuff, even as you know what's coming will also be bad
in the grand scale absolutely. nothing ever good comes from foreign interventions. a people must be given the tools to liberate themselves rather than have it decided for them what is best
So long as they don't democratically elect a socialist. Otherwise they're getting a Western-backed far-right dictator forced on them instead to "prove socialism doesn't work."
I mean this regime is a continuation of a regime change that was also installed by US and UK about 40 years ago (correction 80 years ago and also perhaps better to emphasise not ideological continuation but a new regime due to instability formed in the country). And more recently in any place where US has been involved in a regime change (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt and Syria among others), the country is left to the mercy of religious cults or warlords after a great proportion of civilian infrastructure is bombed out of existence.
Imagine your neighbor is an abuser who beats his wife and children, and you want to help them. so you kick their door, beat the husband, beat the wife, kill one of the kids, and set their house on fire.
You got the timeline wrong there. The US installed the Shah in the 50s, after destroying Iran's democratic leftist government. Then in the 70s, the Iranian people rose up and removed the Shah. Almost immediately, though, the revolution was hijacked by fundamentalist clerics.
When the revolutionary government was put under pressure by an invasion from Saddam Hussein on behalf of George Bush Snr, which killed millions, that allowed the Revolutionary Guard to consolidate power, and become the brutally repressive government we see today.
*when you live your whole life under the effect of unilateral sanctions, designed specifically to punish civilians living their life in order to create political change (aka terrorism)
There's already a war against them by their own government that's killed over 30,000 Iranians since late December. Civilians are being slaughtered either way, but this way means that maybe the Ayatollahs won't be in power at the end.
Have you not learned from Iraq? There is always another mullah. Al Quida was replaced by ISIS. WTF are we involved with the ME anymore? I mean, all those ME nations bombed by Iran, who encouraged the US to enter this (besides our welfare state Israel), well where are their fucking militaries? I guess they paid the Trump family off and felt they had hired their military of the US so our sons and daughters can die for those MFs. Need I remind people we send Israel over 3.8 Billion every year from our tax dollars? so... USAID and VOA does not deserve our few millions but Benji gets the billions and more in crisis and now American deaths. For those that cite 19 fucking 79 hostages... understand, our enlisted were not even born yet. They have no memory of that. Also... most were not even born by 1983 either. And the fact is, the federal military policy allowed that shit to happen.
i will not tell them how to think or feel. the old regime killed their families. the new regime will likely finish the job. iran, israel, the united states. none are working or fighting on behalf of the Iranian people. i will help them as they work to survive, but i will not moralize to them that they're wrong to feel how they feel about things that impact them directly
The deaths of children will forever prevent america from being a hero here. So we've just created a new enemy, likely a more cunning one than the last.
that's the point. make sure there are always people who hate America with all their soul. so there's always a justification for the US to be a military state.
this is largely how we know i live in a terror state. america needs enemies to justify its continued imperial project so it will go out and manufacture them
when I say, cruelty is the point, this is why. that's why they do family separation, what's why ensure people suffer, both domestically and internationally. it's an investment in future targets
This world is full of evil, we have to be willing to take in what little good we can get for what it is until people start doing really better. If Operation Epstein kills 150 schoolgirls and Trump, I of course won't be celebrating that 150 schoolgirls are dead, but also I'm not going to lie or omit that Trump dying is the only good thing coming out of that. What, you want me to lament that Trump is dead?
By this logic, then no one should celebrate the death of a serial murder if they are killed by a rapist.
One bad person is dead. That's good no matter how you cut it. Just cause the shit isnt over and there's still bad people doesn't mean we arnt happy things have improved.
If you only ever settle for perfection then you might as well just let the pedos go uncontested. Cause you can't stop all of them in one go.
He was going to die anyway. Why spend blood and treasure to murder a man who is 86 with a cancer diagnosis? Is critical thinking absent in our Pentagon? Yeah, lets get rid of this mullah... there are over a hundred other mullahs to take over for him. This is an established regime that has been in place for 50 years. 1 in 8 citizens in Iran work for the government... over 94 million population.
All of a sudden this bothers you? lol your terrorist nation has been doing this non stop forever. You guys bomb my country, treat my people with racism, you leave us the mess and move on, and pretend it never happened. Then you turn around and criticize other nations.
It’s a big facepalm seeing so many young leftists acting like this is new
you're making a lot of assumptions about me, I've been protesting almost every week for years, local antiwar org I work with has been organizing weekly protests since 2003.
this bs aggression isn't new, but I refuse to desensatise myself.
Fact is that Ayatollah was 86 and had cancer... he was going to die anyway probably in the next 5 years. We didn't have to engineer 30K protesters murdered and 150 schoolgirls killed along with him and his wife. We could have been patient, like the Chinese. After all, it is not like Iran has a shortage of mullahs.
in 1979 the US placed Shah, who looted Iran was ousted. Now we are supposed to champion his son to rule? Some Nepo baby? This administration is straight up incompetent and globally dangerous.
He literally was respected by people in Iran, not everyone there is against the government and the biggest problems with the government were not him specifically it is the sprawling layers of republican bureaucracy that runs Iran and does a bad job. The Supreme Leader there isn't really like an absolutist dictator, the Ayatollahs are like the Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic and he was like the Chief Justice.
It is wild seeing USAmericans with no information talking about a topic they only received messaging about from their government. Before you call me an apologist please understand my family had to escape Iran in the back of a van and get dumped on the border of Turkey with nothing to get out, I'm not making excuses for them.
Tankies are apologists for "communist" leaders such as Stalin, Mao and Kim. They love Russia, China and North Korea and will swear those countries can do no wrong. "Left" authoritarians... bootlickers.
From my understanding, a vatnik is specifically someone who is shilling for the russian government. Not necessarily under a veneer of leftism (because the kremlin is far-right-wing).
A tankie may or may not be directly shilling for the kremlin, but it's always an auth-comm under a guise of leftism.
Tankie vatniks exist of course, but they're just the center of the venn diagram.
The number of Chinese Marxist-Leninists alone vastly outnumbers us Western tankies. The vast majority of "tankies" live in various countries outside of the imperial core.
Even in the US, the most prominent and successful "tankie" organization was the Black Panther Party.
That's the thing, how would I know if I am tankie, if I don't have a clear definition. If it is defined by wether or not I am oppossed to military moving into Budapest 70 years ago. I am probably not a tankie, but I say probably, because everyone writing about seem so biased I find it difficult to see the truth of it. But my moral compass tells me it is always wrong to use military against civilians. Always.
At the end of the day the deeds define the word, not the other way around. Not everyone will use the word correctly or appropriately. It's why only you yourself can truly categorize as such, but at that point you must come to terms with what that means, positively or negatively.
The bias thing is a real problem, but also sometimes not. It all depends on the context. Some people with unreasonable opinions will absolutely waste your time by never accepting difficult realities and talking around it, so identifying a mindset that's immune to self reflection can be useful. But similarly if a label is all that's needed to dismiss an opinion also is not very reasonable. But it's how some people operate. So sometimes not standing behind a label can be more fruitful as not to entice those presuppositions.
There is another problem. People use slurs to derail the discussions. Calling people "libs" or "tankies" left, right and center removes focus from whatever is discussed and make people crawl into their foxholes. It is an easy way to devalue people's opinions or simply derail discussions. I think I will keep on questioning when people use the word "tankie", because once the word is on the table, the discussion has already been derailed one way or another. And maybe one day it will lead to better discourse.
Which is funny because this was just the main instance when I (and many others) learned about Lemmy. I've been called a tankie because of my instance when I'm pretty sure tankies would call me MAGA as I'm somewhere between a leftist, a liberal, and libertarian
"Tankie" was originally a British slang term from the 50s.
In 1956, when the Soviet Union invaded Hungary, the British Communist movement was split over whether this action was cool, or sucked.
The people who thought it sucked derided their opponents who thought its cool, as "Tankies", because the images in the newspapers featured lots of photos of Soviet tanks rolling into Budapest.
After this, it stops being used for the most part, until it started being reclaimed by socialists online as a tongue-in-cheeck insult to throw at each other. Because, let's be real, it's a silly sounding word that's fun to say, and silly words are among the UK's biggest cultural exports.
Eventually though, Tankie breached containment and started to be used by people who had zero connection to any kind of socialist movement or history, and its meaning began to warp.
I've seen Marxists, even those think the Soviet invasion of Hungary was bad, called tankies. I've seen Anarchists called Tankies, I've seen right wing guys who love trad russian Orthodox Christianity called Tankies.
It's a word that doesn't mean much anymore. It's like when your grandpa calls Joe Biden "Pinko Scum"
So people are "tankies" if they define "tankie" as slur meaning "left of poster"? That once again sounds like the way MAGA use "woke" about stuff they don't like.
Not at all, and you're not the first that tries to denaturate or change the definition of the word tankie.
A tankie is pro authoritarian, but instead of being pro fascism its being pro those who called themselves left like stalin lenin etc
So it describes the "left" Maga if you want.
I sure do understand why tankies would want to make believe the "tankie" is just like "woke" but it isn't, it's calling them out, showing that they are not leftists but authoritarians (so again, basically fascists).
Tankie means someone who sometimes defends socialist authoritarian governments because they oppose the capitalist authoritarian governments.
They(we, sometimes, it's complicated) have a tendency to forgive the crimes of those socialist governments. Sometimes this is justified, because the accusations are false, invented by capitalist media as propaganda.
However, sometimes it's because we want to believe that the opposition to capitalism is always good and decent, when the truth is muddy and rather unpleasant: both sides suck in their own special ways, and you shouldn't put anyone on a pedestal.
Here in the fediverse, anarchist leftists or left-libs are the norm, so we tankies get dogpiled pretty often. A pox on all hierarchical governments seems to be the way here.
It's basically a term people on the left use for people on the extreme outer-reaches of the left, typically unthinking, uncritical, and unreasonable supporters of bolshevism and authoritarian communism, and pretty much any oppressive regime that considers itself "anti-west."
They love putin, jinping, kim, assad, khamenei, etc.
They stylize themselves as "Marxist-Leninists" and your instance is full of them, so if you signed up unknowingly and aren't a tankie, people might just assume based on the ".ml"
But yeah, most people on lemmy are tired of arguing in circles with tankies, who typically rely on ad hominems, strawmen, sealioning, and other bad faith or uncharitable arguments to bully you into exhaustion. Some of them have to be bots or russian trolls, cause no one can honestly be so dense. It can feel like arguing with someone from r/conservative, just with the opposite opinions.
That is a pretty vague definition, and that is probably what irks me about the term. It can be used as a slur for anything you don't like. Like "woke" for conservatives. I switched home when I found out .world blocks instances they don't like. Lemmy.ml seemed the to be the broadest, left accepting instance and they block out porn by default, win-win in my book. Infact I like the fact that I can be an anti-imperialist in places like hexbear, without being called a tankie. Being against killing school children does not mean I support the iranian goverment. I hope you take this answer in good faith. It is written in honesty.
It's not that vague if you've ever encountered one in the wild. You would know exactly what it's referring to. And it's nothing like conservatives using "woke." They use "woke" to describe anything mildly progressive. Tankies aren't progressives, they're accelerationist armchair militants. They call democratic socialists fascists.
Even if your opinion aligns with them on most things, it doesn't automatically make you a tankie. If you're not an auth-comm intent on bullying everyone who disagrees with you the slightest bit and labeling all nuance and critical reasoning as capitalist imperialist propaganda, then you're probably not a tankie.
That's also different from critiquing actual imperialism and capitalism. But tankies' overuse of those terms and others like "fascist" waters down the meanings and obfuscates the terms, making it harder for good-faith communicators to actually discuss these topics critically.
You can be anti-imperialist all you want, but tankies use western imperialism as an excuse to justify supporting imperialist regimes like Russia. They're full of cognitive dissonance.
Go ahead and disagree with someone slightly on .ml or hexbear and see what kind of response you get.
I've yet to try those kinds of response, when I discuss with people. Then again I haven't been going into discussion about Yemen for instance. Mainly because my actual knowledge is simply to small to contribute. I do support anti-imperialist struggles, even by regimes I don't like. But that does not mean I waiver my right to call out they in turn tyrannize their populations.
And yeah, I have a feeling we have a lot of online cosplayers here in the fediverse, but I will keep treating people as if they are real, when I interact. That however also mean I will keep asking people for definitions. I.e. what do you mean when you say "fash", "tankie", "lib" and so on. People use the slurs to hide behind and everyone loves if we can make everything black and white.
But I am a socialist and I have been called a tankie several times and I've even been banned for a couple of sub because I asked about that definition. I don't mind people not liking what I say, but I will not take being slurred without questioning it. If that means a ban, well I am happy for getting out of another echo chamber.
Mainly because my actual knowledge is simply to small to contribute
See, an actual tankie would never admit to having limitations on their own personal knowledge and understanding.
But I am a socialist and I have been called a tankie several times
I'm a socialist too and tankies have called me a fascist because I believe in democratic-socialism instead of bolshevism. They clearly don't know what fascism is.
They don't have any actual values or morals and will happily support the most disgusting and heinous people that opress people, are racists wexist homophobic, that murder civilians and even commit genocide as long as they say they hate capitalism, and western imperialism.
Thank you for sharing the wikipedia article. I hadn't read it. A lot of people find Wikipedia controversial for various reasons. But it is one of the most precise encyclopedias on the planet. And you can check out editing history etc. What I am most interested in, is the use here ofcourse. Because it seems to me people use it as a vaguely defined slur to slander people they deem to leftist.
Yeah, there’s all sorts of crazy political purity tests on Lemmy, and associated misuse of slurs.
And on Wikipedia:
On one side, my MAGA-adjacent family is starting to question it as “liberal biased”… as they leave Fox News blasting in the background.
On the other, tankies and some different leftist extremist leftists dismiss it as propaganda.
That’s a good sign, to me. Its never been perfect and has problems, but extremists trying to tear its credibility down is a sign of just how valuable it is.
how about one of the original creators of wikipedia no longer using his own software and encouraging everyone to also not use it? he claims that the cia have been using it as a tool of information warfare since 2007
I will admit that for shallow questions like 'did this thing happen in this year'? wikipedia can sometimes be more useful than a plain search engine, also sometimes from wikipedia you can find links to real sources which can also be useful.
Since Sanger's departure from Wikipedia, he has been critical of the project, describing it in 2007 as being "broken beyond repair".[8] He has argued that, despite its merits, Wikipedia lacks credibility and accuracy due to a lack of respect for expertise. Since 2020, he has also accused Wikipedia of having a left-wing and liberal ideological bias in its articles.[9][10] Sanger's effort to change Wikipedia was seen by some as part of a right-wing attack on Wikipedia.[11][12]
Of course Wikipedia is biased (probably western/liberal biased), astroturfed, and such. I was taught that in middle school. But calling it something like a CIA misinformation op falls into "perfect is the enemy of good" at best, and sounds more like the efforts of bad actors trying to tear down information sources they can't control.
I really don't like that.
For all its flaws, Wikipedia is one of the last "free" information oases on Earth. It's critical to humanity's survival. It should improve, yes, but we don't need any more conspiracies undermining it.
Oh, because we all know that the entire event was caught on video and it was so easy to smuggle film out of china at the time.
(Context: the video of tank man was hidden in a toilet while the authorities searched the man's apartment after he was spotted filming from his window).
But denying massacres of civilians is so in character for someone from .ml, so nobody is surprised, really...
So if you've watched the full 'tankman' footage you would know that he wasn't killed by a tank or by anything else in that video. You can believe decades and decades of breathless propaganda coming directly out of the NED and the other usual characters, or you can believe your own lying eyes.
It's sufficient to assume that if this one important image was essentially a lie, then many other aspects of the story are also manufactured. For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors? did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies? Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?
do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to 'know'?
So because tank man wasn't killed on camera, you're claiming the entire massacre was a lie?
Does anyone even claim that he was killed? That was never the point of that video. The point was that an unnamed, ordinary, everyday person can be a hero during difficult times, even on his way back from the grocery store. He didn't go out that day planning to be a hero, but the circumstances aligned and he chose courage over complacency.
For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors?
Is that on video? Cause it sounds like you won't believe the protesters were murdered unless it's on video. So do you have video evidence corroborating this claim that it was actually the protesters who were killing cops?
I never thought I would hear a tankie with a pro-police argument. I guess "ACAB" comes with a footnote that says "except for the PLA"? How fast they turn around and lick boots when the dictators are anti-west...
did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies?
You're gonna need some evidence to back that up. Maga claims the anti-ICE protestors are paid by foreign influence, but the truth is people simply don't like being oppressed by violent dictators.
Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?
I don't give a shit what nancy pelosi was doing. She's a political opportunist and saw a moment to extort for clout. It's not that deep.
do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to 'know'?
Do you "know" anything other than imperialist propaganda has directed you to "know"? Tankies are a cult like maga, you reject reality as "propaganda" because it doesn't align with your worldview, which is largely composed of actual propaganda.
I'd rather be a tankie than a normie
I'm definitely no normie, but thank fuck there are more than two options (sorry not sorry that conflicts with your campist worldview, but life isn't sportsball team).
It is routinely claimed that the 'tankman' was killed by the tank right after the clip that is usually shown ends. The full video shows that he left along with others who convinced him to leave. You might not be making that claim, but that was what the anti-chinese propaganda claimed for decades.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the massacre in fact happened. What exists in video form is a man standing in front of a tank and then NOT being killed. Despite many many lies sugfesting otherwise. It seems like you don't participate in that particular lie, while still uncritically accepting the rest of the narrative. Perhaps if one major detail of the story is false other details of the story are also false? i guess we'll just have to trust that the same three-letter agencies who have every reason and motive to undermine chinese sovereignty are in this particular case trustworthy.
I mention the burning to death of unarmed police to illustrate to you which side was the more violent and unrestrained. Violence which is characteristic of foreign regime-change operations and hybrid warfare.
I want to defund the police and reform the organisation to serve the people, there's enough room within this worldview to not be burning cops alive (and i must stress again that they were not armed with lethal force).
You say that you aren't a normie but then uncritically accept an obviously distorted version of history which has been constructed to serve western imperial interests.
Maybe you're an operator who does actually know the truth but lies about it professionally. In that case i'm sorry for inaccurately describing you as a normie, when really you would be a glowie.
but just in case you are actually just a normie in denial here's a thing to read
You can see from the very question that poster asked that, whatever clear definition about authoritarianism or whatever you think it has, that's just not how people are actually using it. Centrists will use it for Mamdani supporters, DSA-types will use it for Marxist-Leninists, and anarchists will use it for almost literally anyone.
No one calls Mamdani a tankie, but I have seen tankies calling Mamdani a fascist. They clearly don't know what fascism is.
Centrists also don't use the term "tankie." If anything they call everyone on the left a socialist (as if it's a bad thing) or a communist or a radical leftist.
"Tankie" is specifically a word people on the left use to refer to auth-comms.
Not even a little bit, but typical tankie rhetoric is to call anyone who isn't at least as far to the left as them (read: approaching infinity) a fascist, so I'm not surprised to hear this from an .ml account
I find it very interesting that you get downvotes for this comment. My experience is that this is the way most people use the term and they get so angry, when you point that out.
There is no what abouts. I am glad he is dead. But I am also sorry Iranian people have been suffering at the hands of Russia, USA and Israel for the better part of the last century. Netanyahu, Putin, Trump are no different than him in terms of how merciless and inhumane they can be.
Nobody's complaining about his death here. But everybody should be worried about this new trend of Trump deciding who's deemed fit to rule and who's not.
This is obviously weakening Trump, so it's killing two birds with one stone. You never know Americans seem to love him no matter what, but it looks like he's lost a lot of support. So the Ayatollah is dead and maybe Americans will get their head out of their asses and actually vote for the political opposition.
Every so often I am reminded Reddit liberals (who just weren't honest enough to stay there with their MAGA friends, who are closer to them than they are to anyone outside of the Western sphere) also came here. Oh well.
This shit is no joke, man, the US backed a coup and when it wasn't successful enough they murdered people, and this is not even the first time in the span of a year (in this country). And American imperialism is always, always, on the wrong side of history and ethics, because they're amoral geopolitical moves made to enrich Western aristocrats, loss of life is not even part of the equation. Stop it already, you don't have to be Greta but at least you can understand this is nothing but violence for the sake of control by the usual villains, and not make fun of it all.
Nah, the guy was a piece of shit and I'm glad he's dead and fully supporting people meming in him. I'm not giving some opressive dictator that does all the same shit I hate people like Trump for, just because he also hates America.
Genuine political change has to come from the people who live under it. If Trump got blown up tomorrow, it would no more change US politics than this is gonna do anything for Iranians. If you want a people to rise up against their "dictator" give them space to decide the best course of actions for themselves.
Why should Iranian citizens look on this as a good thing, take it as an opportunity overturn the system, when the country that bombed and ransacked their neighbors for 20+ years is looming like a vulture?
Your heart seems to be in the right place but you're largely misinformed, or taking things in a vacuum. Regardless, is it America's place to bomb yet another country, yet another group of people who haven't attacked them first, for whatever reason you might think?
No on both accounts. You're wrong, both in your attempt to regulate my language and your assertion.
You can literally find (actual real non-AI) footage of people being close enough to the explosion that they should be terrified, but they're elated instead.
He did, as much as he could once he learned shit was going down, but it turns out Iran's intelligence, air defense and operational security all suck so he died in his bunker. He's killed almost as many Iranians in a couple months of protests as Netanyahu has killed Palestinians since the Oct 7 attacks. Bibi is absolute trash, but to pretend like Khamenei was better in any way is insane. They're both completely evil cowards.
Iran has been terrible at everything so far. I keep joking that they put huge arrows you can see from space with the naked eye showing where all their leaders, scientists, and generals are.
Iran must know they're infiltrated from top to bottom by Israel, no? Especially after those "abandoned trucks" filled with drones thing?
If you use Israeli sources on amount of Palestinians killed and American sources on number of Iranians killed it might just be around the same no? /sarcasm
We need to just start shitposting in every community, because everything is shitpost, and to deny that is to deny life. When you wake up in the morning, that's shitpost. When you drink a cup of coffee, that's shitpost. Drive to work, shitpost. It's all shitpost, and so I think all we can do is shitpost everywhere.
Everything is politics. Saying "no politics" is politics. The unwillingness to understand this is arguably a huge part of the problem, particularly in democratic systems. Every breath you take from the moment you are born until the moment you die is both a function of, and contributes towards a political zeitgeist which spans centuries in both directions. At best, an individual's attempt at "avoiding" politics merely cedes a portion of their own agency to others, which is again, a political act.
Lovely rhetoric there, but I regularly read newspapers, so I am "avoiding" nothing. It is just nice to have spaces which are about something other than politics.
Only through apathy. If the mods did their fucking jobs and actually made a rule against political posts, and then enforced that rule, we wouldn't have this problem.
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. A genuine shitpost has no agenda other than silly humor. You don't know what a shitpost is any more than these useless mods.
The ideal scenario, now that the greybeard kicked the bucket, is for Iran to fire a ballistic missile straight at Netanyahu's arse, Krasnov suffering a heart attack, and Vlad just watching his entire country crumble to bits as his economy dies, and his military collapses from lack of manpower.
He was a brutal fucking bastard... however, he was also 86 and had cancer. Maybe we could have waited 6 months and saved a lot of money and a lot of lives. Dude was going to die soon anyway.
Are y'all doing a bit or are really this stupid? None of you seem to grasp what martyrdom means. He was an old man dying of cancer. He had plenty of opportunities to go hide in a bunker, but getting killed in an Israeli strike is the best thing that could happen to the Iranian regime. Anyone so clueless as to fall for that better prepare for a long and unsuccessful war.
I mean, he has been fighting US & Israeli imperialism his entire life, he was an old man with failing health and infamously wanted to be martyred by US/Israel
Conflating Israel and Jews is called antisemitism. If someone is just anti-Israel, they don't become antisemitic from that (but it sure invites a lot of antisemites who smell a possible convert)
Not quite, cause semites also includes Muslim Arabs, also most Anti-israel people are just anti-zionism, The thing is most people that are anti-israel are just anti-jews because they know nothing they talk about.
I agree with you that words meaning is a thing of context, and what matters the most is what people imply when they use it, generalization usually takes a person to the wrong path; the only real guide for almost everything is the context.
IMO, anti-Semitism is more used to refer to anti-muslim sentiment than anti-jew sentiment, but I guess the location on earth that I walk matters a lot.
Reminds me of when the US took out Saddam, the US was wrong for invading Iraq. But saddam was not a good guy and deserved to die. Both can be true. And I do remember during the Iraq invasion people defending Saddam, not the people of Iraq but defending Saddam as a guy who was good cause he opposed America
Like a brainwashed American would know anything about him. other than Zionist / Pahlavi propaganda about how evil he was.
He was a spiritual figure to millions. A poet and a scholar.
I should add he was the only obstacle, through his Fatwa, to Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon. Thats now history thanks to Netanyahu and his paedophile puppet President
A revolution caused by western powers actively destabilizing Iran mind you. Not dick riding the ayatolah but they are a direct result of foreign meddling.
Iranians outside Iran hate their country like the Cubans of Florida do. You can't trust anything they say.
You would understand better if the Jews had killed the pope and were dancing in the streets and Zionist media were labeling him a murdering paedophile who deserved to die.
Mossad then instigated violence to encourage state repression to give Trump a justification for launching air strikes. Pompeo even tweeted about their role in the riots.
Millions of people.have in fact gone out into the streets in support of the government, especially since the murder of the Supreme Leader but this has ZERO coverage in Zionist media.
Sure they were! Nothing happening over there had anything to do with the women that were kidnapped, raped, and/or killed in the custody of the Guidance Patrol! Everybody celebrated these as beautiful moments of religious expression!
You have to really go out of your way to be this uneducated, like really there are endless sources on the atrocities and abuses by the royal guard of Iran and the ayatollah, you have to avoid and refuse to read them to have your viewpoint.
P.s Castro was also a murderer and madman, you’re just too young to remember him as anything but the bearded old man with a cigar , you didn’t see their brutal rise to power, so all that death must have been a Jewish lie right?
You know what I think? I think it’s none of our damn business. Do you see Iran sending troops to stop Mexican cartels? Maybe it’s not americas damn job to police the other side of the world, especially when their own country is a dumpster fire.
This past few years even the American left has decided they’re the world police.
My perception of Iran from the last 40 years has been steered by Iranians i personally know who fled the regime. By your logic let’s ignore all the people Fidel Castro murdered and imprisoned illegally for decades, cause our views of him are painted by fleeing Cubans.
You are likely too young to remember the actual atrocities, murders, rapes, mass executions. So you think it was bloodless and “the country seems chill”
Castro is a good comparison, all you guys remember a quirky old bearded man with a cigar who looks harmless. Cause you weren’t around for the bloody rise to power and executions
You should really stop acting like a country is some monolithic thing where everyone thinks and behaves the same. That's not how it works anywhere. C'mon big dog, a little nuance isn't going to hurt you.
266 Comments
Rothe@piefed.social · 230 pts · 173d
Fuck him. And also fuck the US and Israel. As an outsider this is just all villains fighting each other.
Klear@quokk.au · 170 pts · 173d
...and civilian collateral damage, unfortunately.
kiterios@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 173d
Unfortunately there's also civilian collateral damage when they aren't fighting each other.
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 173d
With innocent, normal people caught in the crossfire. If those cunts would simply kill each other, fine. But it's always other people getting hit too.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 173d
I am sure the hundred schoolgirls were also villains fighting each other
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 173d
To Iran they were just going to be new protestors to kill.
Fuck all 3 of these authoritarian shit stains.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
I hate the regime in Iran. I have a dear friend who was victimized by it. But also hate Benji N's Israel and D. Trump and most of the ME surrounding who have done nothing for decades to control Iran. Oh noes! We have no ideas and no strategy so lets just send the Trump family a lot of money!
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d
Yep, it's a problem that existed, but should have been taken care of in the ME by the ME...not the usa and sure as fuck not by Israel or trump.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 173d
are you justifying a warcrime against a school because they could have died in the future???
If you get murdered, is the murderer innocent because it is possible someone else would have murdered you later?
Shitlibs logic
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 32 pts · 173d
How did you misread that so badly?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -25 pts · 173d
you can't preemptively murder children because in your fan fiction they die later on
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 16 pts · 173d
You agian missed two very important words that OP wrote
That means if you were Iran then you would be having those thoughts. Not someone normal.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -26 pts · 173d
wait, being Iranian means it's ok for USA/Israel to kill Iranian schoolgirls?
if someone else wants to kill you, does that give me the moral right to kill you first?
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 171d
Some asshole on one of the forums I frequent stated that there was questionable information about the school. I responded that there was questionable information regarding his ethics and partisanship and I not only got blocked but my response was rejected... perhaps 'CULT' is a trigger word?
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 173d
I have a list of world leaders whose death'll make me happy. These are people that make the world better by dying.
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
As an American. Fuck my current administration. I can still say that for now. Let’s see how long it lasts.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 184 pts · 173d
Not going to defend him, but a Pedophile led nation executing/kidnaping foreign heads of states and bombing schools is not a good thing.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 56 pts · 173d
the way my Iranian friends have put it as they celebrate the death of the head of the regime and brace themselves for the impact of the new regime is that when you live under opression all your live, you learn to celebrate the small stuff, even as you know what's coming will also be bad
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 173d
regardless of regime changes, nothing good comes from American interventions
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 173d
in the grand scale absolutely. nothing ever good comes from foreign interventions. a people must be given the tools to liberate themselves rather than have it decided for them what is best
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 173d
the US doesn't want to liberate jack shit, they just want a puppet state
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 173d
exactly
in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 172d
So long as they don't democratically elect a socialist. Otherwise they're getting a Western-backed far-right dictator forced on them instead to "prove socialism doesn't work."
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
Hey, spoiler alert!
in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 171d
Oh sorry I thought everyone's already seen this one before.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 4 pts · 172d
I mean this regime is a continuation of a regime change that was also installed by US and UK about 40 years ago (correction 80 years ago and also perhaps better to emphasise not ideological continuation but a new regime due to instability formed in the country). And more recently in any place where US has been involved in a regime change (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt and Syria among others), the country is left to the mercy of religious cults or warlords after a great proportion of civilian infrastructure is bombed out of existence.
So yeah, I agree.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 172d
Imagine your neighbor is an abuser who beats his wife and children, and you want to help them. so you kick their door, beat the husband, beat the wife, kill one of the kids, and set their house on fire.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
"Also, I'm going to live here for awhile to keep you all free. I hope that doesn't cause any tension."
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 172d
plus you get to sell all their stuff and pocket all the cash
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 171d
You got the timeline wrong there. The US installed the Shah in the 50s, after destroying Iran's democratic leftist government. Then in the 70s, the Iranian people rose up and removed the Shah. Almost immediately, though, the revolution was hijacked by fundamentalist clerics.
When the revolutionary government was put under pressure by an invasion from Saddam Hussein on behalf of George Bush Snr, which killed millions, that allowed the Revolutionary Guard to consolidate power, and become the brutally repressive government we see today.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 2 pts · 171d
thanks updated, when I say sth is X years ago I generally start counting from 2000 lol.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 171d
Ha! Same here.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net · 3 pts · 171d
I mean, it put back the progress on an even more terrorist regime getting nuclear weapons
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 172d
*when you live your whole life under the effect of unilateral sanctions, designed specifically to punish civilians living their life in order to create political change (aka terrorism)
umbrella@lemmy.ml · -20 pts · 173d
treesquid@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 173d
There's already a war against them by their own government that's killed over 30,000 Iranians since late December. Civilians are being slaughtered either way, but this way means that maybe the Ayatollahs won't be in power at the end.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
Have you not learned from Iraq? There is always another mullah. Al Quida was replaced by ISIS. WTF are we involved with the ME anymore? I mean, all those ME nations bombed by Iran, who encouraged the US to enter this (besides our welfare state Israel), well where are their fucking militaries? I guess they paid the Trump family off and felt they had hired their military of the US so our sons and daughters can die for those MFs. Need I remind people we send Israel over 3.8 Billion every year from our tax dollars? so... USAID and VOA does not deserve our few millions but Benji gets the billions and more in crisis and now American deaths. For those that cite 19 fucking 79 hostages... understand, our enlisted were not even born yet. They have no memory of that. Also... most were not even born by 1983 either. And the fact is, the federal military policy allowed that shit to happen.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 172d
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 173d
i will not tell them how to think or feel. the old regime killed their families. the new regime will likely finish the job. iran, israel, the united states. none are working or fighting on behalf of the Iranian people. i will help them as they work to survive, but i will not moralize to them that they're wrong to feel how they feel about things that impact them directly
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 173d
especially considering that over 100 schoolgirls were murdered in the process.
if a bomb killed 150 children and also took out Trump, I wouldn't celebrate it
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 173d
The deaths of children will forever prevent america from being a hero here. So we've just created a new enemy, likely a more cunning one than the last.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
that's the point. make sure there are always people who hate America with all their soul. so there's always a justification for the US to be a military state.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 173d
this is largely how we know i live in a terror state. america needs enemies to justify its continued imperial project so it will go out and manufacture them
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
when I say, cruelty is the point, this is why. that's why they do family separation, what's why ensure people suffer, both domestically and internationally. it's an investment in future targets
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 172d
I would celebrate Trump death but not the 150 children. Gotta learn to compartimentalize and all that, in a complex world.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 172d
you shouldn't compartmentalize that operation Epstein has slaughtered 150 schoolgirls. you should be furious.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 172d
This world is full of evil, we have to be willing to take in what little good we can get for what it is until people start doing really better. If Operation Epstein kills 150 schoolgirls and Trump, I of course won't be celebrating that 150 schoolgirls are dead, but also I'm not going to lie or omit that Trump dying is the only good thing coming out of that. What, you want me to lament that Trump is dead?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 172d
Oh look, an ML user standing up for a dictatorship.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 172d
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 172d
By this logic, then no one should celebrate the death of a serial murder if they are killed by a rapist.
One bad person is dead. That's good no matter how you cut it. Just cause the shit isnt over and there's still bad people doesn't mean we arnt happy things have improved.
If you only ever settle for perfection then you might as well just let the pedos go uncontested. Cause you can't stop all of them in one go.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 172d
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
He was going to die anyway. Why spend blood and treasure to murder a man who is 86 with a cancer diagnosis? Is critical thinking absent in our Pentagon? Yeah, lets get rid of this mullah... there are over a hundred other mullahs to take over for him. This is an established regime that has been in place for 50 years. 1 in 8 citizens in Iran work for the government... over 94 million population.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
The fun thing is your statement applies to both the US and Iran.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
has Iran kidnapped and murdered foreign heads of state lately?
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 172d
All of a sudden this bothers you? lol your terrorist nation has been doing this non stop forever. You guys bomb my country, treat my people with racism, you leave us the mess and move on, and pretend it never happened. Then you turn around and criticize other nations. It’s a big facepalm seeing so many young leftists acting like this is new
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 172d
you're making a lot of assumptions about me, I've been protesting almost every week for years, local antiwar org I work with has been organizing weekly protests since 2003.
this bs aggression isn't new, but I refuse to desensatise myself.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
I have been active with my local antiwar org since the 1980s. It never fucking ends. But when the stupid people elect a felon.. what did we expect?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d
i expect people to organize, protest, set up mutual aids, and resist.
regdog@lemmy.world · 150 pts · 173d
Godric@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 173d
regdog@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 173d
Good for him.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 173d
Warms the cockles of the heart.
tackleberry@thelemmy.club · 72 pts · 172d
The Ayatollah is the spiritual leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Jeffery Epstein is the spiritual leader of the 2025 USA regime
rogsson@piefed.social · 72 pts · 173d
Nice! Now do Putin, Trump and the rest of the dictators
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 173d
Can we include the plutocrats and oligarchs? That seems to be the root of the problem.
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
don't forget the bilionaires!
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
So easy to take care of Iran, but so hard to take care of Russia.
Seeing the USA waltz in dropping bombs over literally nothing but ignoring the Ukraine is pretty bizarre.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
Fact is that Ayatollah was 86 and had cancer... he was going to die anyway probably in the next 5 years. We didn't have to engineer 30K protesters murdered and 150 schoolgirls killed along with him and his wife. We could have been patient, like the Chinese. After all, it is not like Iran has a shortage of mullahs.
in 1979 the US placed Shah, who looted Iran was ousted. Now we are supposed to champion his son to rule? Some Nepo baby? This administration is straight up incompetent and globally dangerous.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 173d
And don't forget to nuke Isreal to green dust!
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 69 pts · 173d
Now watch all the tankies praise him as a honorary socialist
MrSmith@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 173d
They do already. "Respected leader" one post over there said.
hamid@crazypeople.online · -11 pts · 173d
He literally was respected by people in Iran, not everyone there is against the government and the biggest problems with the government were not him specifically it is the sprawling layers of republican bureaucracy that runs Iran and does a bad job. The Supreme Leader there isn't really like an absolutist dictator, the Ayatollahs are like the Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic and he was like the Chief Justice.
It is wild seeing USAmericans with no information talking about a topic they only received messaging about from their government. Before you call me an apologist please understand my family had to escape Iran in the back of a van and get dumped on the border of Turkey with nothing to get out, I'm not making excuses for them.
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 173d
All dictators have support, otherwise they wouldn't exist. The majority of Iranians did not/do not like the current regime.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 25 pts · 173d
Was he respected by the up to thirty thousand protesters he had massacred?
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 173d
I am trying to get someone to explain what tankie means. People call me tankie from time to time, but I have no love for the iranian goverment.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 43 pts · 173d
Tankies are apologists for "communist" leaders such as Stalin, Mao and Kim. They love Russia, China and North Korea and will swear those countries can do no wrong. "Left" authoritarians... bootlickers.
Greddan@feddit.org · 19 pts · 173d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 173d
Tankies exist around the world, I don't know why you're making it an american thing. It's not limited to just americans.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 173d
Yeah but closer to the eastern bloc you're likely to hear the term "vatnik" used instead.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 173d
Tankies and vatniks have a lot of overlap.
From my understanding, a vatnik is specifically someone who is shilling for the russian government. Not necessarily under a veneer of leftism (because the kremlin is far-right-wing).
A tankie may or may not be directly shilling for the kremlin, but it's always an auth-comm under a guise of leftism.
Tankie vatniks exist of course, but they're just the center of the venn diagram.
Greddan@feddit.org · 1 pts · 173d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 173d
A decade ago, it was "as a black man in america..." Now I suppose it's "as an autistic person in america..."
Still the same troll farms operating out of russia.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 173d
The number of Chinese Marxist-Leninists alone vastly outnumbers us Western tankies. The vast majority of "tankies" live in various countries outside of the imperial core.
Even in the US, the most prominent and successful "tankie" organization was the Black Panther Party.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 173d
Assuming you're not a tankie, I would guess it's your instance, which is the main one where all the tankies hang out lol
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 173d
That's the thing, how would I know if I am tankie, if I don't have a clear definition. If it is defined by wether or not I am oppossed to military moving into Budapest 70 years ago. I am probably not a tankie, but I say probably, because everyone writing about seem so biased I find it difficult to see the truth of it. But my moral compass tells me it is always wrong to use military against civilians. Always.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 173d
At the end of the day the deeds define the word, not the other way around. Not everyone will use the word correctly or appropriately. It's why only you yourself can truly categorize as such, but at that point you must come to terms with what that means, positively or negatively.
The bias thing is a real problem, but also sometimes not. It all depends on the context. Some people with unreasonable opinions will absolutely waste your time by never accepting difficult realities and talking around it, so identifying a mindset that's immune to self reflection can be useful. But similarly if a label is all that's needed to dismiss an opinion also is not very reasonable. But it's how some people operate. So sometimes not standing behind a label can be more fruitful as not to entice those presuppositions.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 173d
There is another problem. People use slurs to derail the discussions. Calling people "libs" or "tankies" left, right and center removes focus from whatever is discussed and make people crawl into their foxholes. It is an easy way to devalue people's opinions or simply derail discussions. I think I will keep on questioning when people use the word "tankie", because once the word is on the table, the discussion has already been derailed one way or another. And maybe one day it will lead to better discourse.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 173d
Are you in some way pro Putin, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim ? Then you might be a tankie.
If you think they are/were despicable mass-murderous dictators then you're not.
lps2@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 172d
Which is funny because this was just the main instance when I (and many others) learned about Lemmy. I've been called a tankie because of my instance when I'm pretty sure tankies would call me MAGA as I'm somewhere between a leftist, a liberal, and libertarian
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 173d
"Tankie" was originally a British slang term from the 50s.
In 1956, when the Soviet Union invaded Hungary, the British Communist movement was split over whether this action was cool, or sucked.
The people who thought it sucked derided their opponents who thought its cool, as "Tankies", because the images in the newspapers featured lots of photos of Soviet tanks rolling into Budapest.
After this, it stops being used for the most part, until it started being reclaimed by socialists online as a tongue-in-cheeck insult to throw at each other. Because, let's be real, it's a silly sounding word that's fun to say, and silly words are among the UK's biggest cultural exports.
Eventually though, Tankie breached containment and started to be used by people who had zero connection to any kind of socialist movement or history, and its meaning began to warp.
I've seen Marxists, even those think the Soviet invasion of Hungary was bad, called tankies. I've seen Anarchists called Tankies, I've seen right wing guys who love trad russian Orthodox Christianity called Tankies.
It's a word that doesn't mean much anymore. It's like when your grandpa calls Joe Biden "Pinko Scum"
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 173d
Thank you. I had an idea, that it was something like that. It seems that on lemmy it means everyone left of poster (or OP), the poster disagree with.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 173d
That's usually how the tankies try to convey it, but otherwise I haven't seen that argument.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 173d
So people are "tankies" if they define "tankie" as slur meaning "left of poster"? That once again sounds like the way MAGA use "woke" about stuff they don't like.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 172d
Not at all, and you're not the first that tries to denaturate or change the definition of the word tankie.
A tankie is pro authoritarian, but instead of being pro fascism its being pro those who called themselves left like stalin lenin etc
So it describes the "left" Maga if you want.
I sure do understand why tankies would want to make believe the "tankie" is just like "woke" but it isn't, it's calling them out, showing that they are not leftists but authoritarians (so again, basically fascists).
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 172d
You have a child's understanding of the world
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 171d
Tankie means someone who sometimes defends socialist authoritarian governments because they oppose the capitalist authoritarian governments.
They(we, sometimes, it's complicated) have a tendency to forgive the crimes of those socialist governments. Sometimes this is justified, because the accusations are false, invented by capitalist media as propaganda.
However, sometimes it's because we want to believe that the opposition to capitalism is always good and decent, when the truth is muddy and rather unpleasant: both sides suck in their own special ways, and you shouldn't put anyone on a pedestal.
Here in the fediverse, anarchist leftists or left-libs are the norm, so we tankies get dogpiled pretty often. A pox on all hierarchical governments seems to be the way here.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 170d
A nuanced answer. Thank you. Those are rare.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 173d
It's basically a term people on the left use for people on the extreme outer-reaches of the left, typically unthinking, uncritical, and unreasonable supporters of bolshevism and authoritarian communism, and pretty much any oppressive regime that considers itself "anti-west."
They love putin, jinping, kim, assad, khamenei, etc.
They stylize themselves as "Marxist-Leninists" and your instance is full of them, so if you signed up unknowingly and aren't a tankie, people might just assume based on the ".ml"
But yeah, most people on lemmy are tired of arguing in circles with tankies, who typically rely on ad hominems, strawmen, sealioning, and other bad faith or uncharitable arguments to bully you into exhaustion. Some of them have to be bots or russian trolls, cause no one can honestly be so dense. It can feel like arguing with someone from r/conservative, just with the opposite opinions.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 173d
That is a pretty vague definition, and that is probably what irks me about the term. It can be used as a slur for anything you don't like. Like "woke" for conservatives. I switched home when I found out .world blocks instances they don't like. Lemmy.ml seemed the to be the broadest, left accepting instance and they block out porn by default, win-win in my book. Infact I like the fact that I can be an anti-imperialist in places like hexbear, without being called a tankie. Being against killing school children does not mean I support the iranian goverment. I hope you take this answer in good faith. It is written in honesty.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 173d
It's not that vague if you've ever encountered one in the wild. You would know exactly what it's referring to. And it's nothing like conservatives using "woke." They use "woke" to describe anything mildly progressive. Tankies aren't progressives, they're accelerationist armchair militants. They call democratic socialists fascists.
Even if your opinion aligns with them on most things, it doesn't automatically make you a tankie. If you're not an auth-comm intent on bullying everyone who disagrees with you the slightest bit and labeling all nuance and critical reasoning as capitalist imperialist propaganda, then you're probably not a tankie.
That's also different from critiquing actual imperialism and capitalism. But tankies' overuse of those terms and others like "fascist" waters down the meanings and obfuscates the terms, making it harder for good-faith communicators to actually discuss these topics critically.
You can be anti-imperialist all you want, but tankies use western imperialism as an excuse to justify supporting imperialist regimes like Russia. They're full of cognitive dissonance.
Go ahead and disagree with someone slightly on .ml or hexbear and see what kind of response you get.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 173d
I've yet to try those kinds of response, when I discuss with people. Then again I haven't been going into discussion about Yemen for instance. Mainly because my actual knowledge is simply to small to contribute. I do support anti-imperialist struggles, even by regimes I don't like. But that does not mean I waiver my right to call out they in turn tyrannize their populations.
And yeah, I have a feeling we have a lot of online cosplayers here in the fediverse, but I will keep treating people as if they are real, when I interact. That however also mean I will keep asking people for definitions. I.e. what do you mean when you say "fash", "tankie", "lib" and so on. People use the slurs to hide behind and everyone loves if we can make everything black and white.
But I am a socialist and I have been called a tankie several times and I've even been banned for a couple of sub because I asked about that definition. I don't mind people not liking what I say, but I will not take being slurred without questioning it. If that means a ban, well I am happy for getting out of another echo chamber.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 173d
See, an actual tankie would never admit to having limitations on their own personal knowledge and understanding.
I'm a socialist too and tankies have called me a fascist because I believe in democratic-socialism instead of bolshevism. They clearly don't know what fascism is.
3abas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 172d
Lol you're not a socialist, you're a liberal.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Tankies are basically maga but for "socialism"
They don't have any actual values or morals and will happily support the most disgusting and heinous people that opress people, are racists wexist homophobic, that murder civilians and even commit genocide as long as they say they hate capitalism, and western imperialism.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 171d
Supporting Putin in the name of communism is the funniest thing tankies do, imo.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
And if one points out Wikipedia (while very imperfect, yes) is just Western Propaganda, well, that’s a pretty good indicator, too.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 173d
Thank you for sharing the wikipedia article. I hadn't read it. A lot of people find Wikipedia controversial for various reasons. But it is one of the most precise encyclopedias on the planet. And you can check out editing history etc. What I am most interested in, is the use here ofcourse. Because it seems to me people use it as a vaguely defined slur to slander people they deem to leftist.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
Yeah, there’s all sorts of crazy political purity tests on Lemmy, and associated misuse of slurs.
And on Wikipedia:
On one side, my MAGA-adjacent family is starting to question it as “liberal biased”… as they leave Fox News blasting in the background.
On the other, tankies and some different leftist extremist leftists dismiss it as propaganda.
That’s a good sign, to me. Its never been perfect and has problems, but extremists trying to tear its credibility down is a sign of just how valuable it is.
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 172d
how about one of the original creators of wikipedia no longer using his own software and encouraging everyone to also not use it? he claims that the cia have been using it as a tool of information warfare since 2007
I will admit that for shallow questions like 'did this thing happen in this year'? wikipedia can sometimes be more useful than a plain search engine, also sometimes from wikipedia you can find links to real sources which can also be useful.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 172d
On the contrary, to quote Wikipedia's article on him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger
Which lines up with external articles written by him that I'm reading, including his take on Grokipedia: https://larrysanger.org/2025/10/grokipedia-a-first-look/
Of course Wikipedia is biased (probably western/liberal biased), astroturfed, and such. I was taught that in middle school. But calling it something like a CIA misinformation op falls into "perfect is the enemy of good" at best, and sounds more like the efforts of bad actors trying to tear down information sources they can't control.
I really don't like that.
For all its flaws, Wikipedia is one of the last "free" information oases on Earth. It's critical to humanity's survival. It should improve, yes, but we don't need any more conspiracies undermining it.
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 171d
it's more than simple bias, larry sanger knows that and i suspect that you do as well.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/pro-israel-activists-blacklist-mintpress-wikipedia/261022/
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 172d
You're probably being called a tankie because you're from lemmy.ml .
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 171d
Which is idiotic. I'm an anarchist for example.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 173d
Doesn’t the term come from the Tiananmen Square massacre when the army drove tanks over students?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 172d
Laughing at all the tankies getting butthurt in the comments
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 173d
Somebody shared this link. It helped me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 173d
this isn't 1995 man, you can just watch the full video of that not happening anytime you like
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 172d
Oh, because we all know that the entire event was caught on video and it was so easy to smuggle film out of china at the time.
(Context: the video of tank man was hidden in a toilet while the authorities searched the man's apartment after he was spotted filming from his window).
But denying massacres of civilians is so in character for someone from .ml, so nobody is surprised, really...
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 172d
So if you've watched the full 'tankman' footage you would know that he wasn't killed by a tank or by anything else in that video. You can believe decades and decades of breathless propaganda coming directly out of the NED and the other usual characters, or you can believe your own lying eyes.
It's sufficient to assume that if this one important image was essentially a lie, then many other aspects of the story are also manufactured. For example did you know that many dozens of police officers (who were unarmed) were burnt to death by the student protestors? did you know that the leaders of the student protests were coordinating with and were paid by western intelligence agencies? Did you know that literally nancy pelosi was on the ground during those protests?
do you know anything other than what imperialist propaganda has directed you to 'know'?
I'd rather be a tankie than a normie
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 171d
So because tank man wasn't killed on camera, you're claiming the entire massacre was a lie?
Does anyone even claim that he was killed? That was never the point of that video. The point was that an unnamed, ordinary, everyday person can be a hero during difficult times, even on his way back from the grocery store. He didn't go out that day planning to be a hero, but the circumstances aligned and he chose courage over complacency.
Is that on video? Cause it sounds like you won't believe the protesters were murdered unless it's on video. So do you have video evidence corroborating this claim that it was actually the protesters who were killing cops?
I never thought I would hear a tankie with a pro-police argument. I guess "ACAB" comes with a footnote that says "except for the PLA"? How fast they turn around and lick boots when the dictators are anti-west...
You're gonna need some evidence to back that up. Maga claims the anti-ICE protestors are paid by foreign influence, but the truth is people simply don't like being oppressed by violent dictators.
I don't give a shit what nancy pelosi was doing. She's a political opportunist and saw a moment to extort for clout. It's not that deep.
Do you "know" anything other than imperialist propaganda has directed you to "know"? Tankies are a cult like maga, you reject reality as "propaganda" because it doesn't align with your worldview, which is largely composed of actual propaganda.
I'm definitely no normie, but thank fuck there are more than two options (sorry not sorry that conflicts with your campist worldview, but life isn't sportsball team).
flamingleg@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 171d
It is routinely claimed that the 'tankman' was killed by the tank right after the clip that is usually shown ends. The full video shows that he left along with others who convinced him to leave. You might not be making that claim, but that was what the anti-chinese propaganda claimed for decades.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the massacre in fact happened. What exists in video form is a man standing in front of a tank and then NOT being killed. Despite many many lies sugfesting otherwise. It seems like you don't participate in that particular lie, while still uncritically accepting the rest of the narrative. Perhaps if one major detail of the story is false other details of the story are also false? i guess we'll just have to trust that the same three-letter agencies who have every reason and motive to undermine chinese sovereignty are in this particular case trustworthy.
I mention the burning to death of unarmed police to illustrate to you which side was the more violent and unrestrained. Violence which is characteristic of foreign regime-change operations and hybrid warfare.
I want to defund the police and reform the organisation to serve the people, there's enough room within this worldview to not be burning cops alive (and i must stress again that they were not armed with lethal force).
You say that you aren't a normie but then uncritically accept an obviously distorted version of history which has been constructed to serve western imperial interests.
Maybe you're an operator who does actually know the truth but lies about it professionally. In that case i'm sorry for inaccurately describing you as a normie, when really you would be a glowie.
but just in case you are actually just a normie in denial here's a thing to read
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -25 pts · 173d
"Tankie" is just a derogatory term for anyone to the left of the person saying it
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 173d
You guys are easy to spot these days.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -11 pts · 173d
You can see from the very question that poster asked that, whatever clear definition about authoritarianism or whatever you think it has, that's just not how people are actually using it. Centrists will use it for Mamdani supporters, DSA-types will use it for Marxist-Leninists, and anarchists will use it for almost literally anyone.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 173d
Great logic. Almost as if you're speaking shite, unless anarchists are on the right now...
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -9 pts · 173d
No, I'm just accusing them of throwing around words that mean nothing and thinking everyone is authoritarian. Just a little joke.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 173d
Kinda like how tankies think everyone is a fascist (except for other tankies, of course)?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 10 pts · 173d
Can you show an example of people calling Mamdani supporters tankies please?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 173d
Can't, because it didn't happen.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 173d
Sorry, I don't save links to random stupid internet comments
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 173d
You should probably start doing that if you're going to use them as core components of your online arguments.
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 173d
I mean, yeah? Like the most basic understanding of anarchy is that hierarchy is a bad thing, so it applies to a lot of political philosophies
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 173d
No one calls Mamdani a tankie, but I have seen tankies calling Mamdani a fascist. They clearly don't know what fascism is.
Centrists also don't use the term "tankie." If anything they call everyone on the left a socialist (as if it's a bad thing) or a communist or a radical leftist.
"Tankie" is specifically a word people on the left use to refer to auth-comms.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 173d
"If they don't lick bolshevik boots, they're a fascist" -average tankie
Fokeu@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 173d
Exhibit A:
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 173d
Not even a little bit, but typical tankie rhetoric is to call anyone who isn't at least as far to the left as them (read: approaching infinity) a fascist, so I'm not surprised to hear this from an .ml account
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Oh, come on now, they'd never call Putin a fascist.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 173d
Oh true, I forgot to add that they'll complain about literally anyone except for actual fascists...
There!
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 173d
I find it very interesting that you get downvotes for this comment. My experience is that this is the way most people use the term and they get so angry, when you point that out.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 65 pts · 173d
these morons don't think iran had a plan if their 86 year old leader died?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 173d
The morons orchestrating these attacks are doing so to distract other morons from the sex and child trafficking crimes they committed.
Morons all the way down. Unfortunately these morons have access to ballistic missiles.
Etterra@lemmy.org · 3 pts · 172d
Well the Orange Jackass sure as hell doesn't have the well-being of Iranians in mind.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 172d
Added benefit but the main reason is oil.
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 172d
These morons dont understand martyrdom because their lives are spiritual vacuums.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 172d
This post is verified shit, yes.
RaoulDuke85@piefed.social · 27 pts · 173d
Bad Luck Ayatollah.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 24 pts · 172d
Not that I like this guy he deserves to rot in the same cesspit as Trump and Netanyahu (and more). But this post looks like rage bait.
texture@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 172d
it IS ragebait
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 171d
Only idiots brain rotted by Iranian propaganda would be upset by that asshole's death.
The guy executed something like 30K people in the last month. What kind of shit person supports a guy like that?
INB4 WHATABOUT WHATABOUT WHATABOUT
Avicenna@programming.dev · 3 pts · 171d
There is no what abouts. I am glad he is dead. But I am also sorry Iranian people have been suffering at the hands of Russia, USA and Israel for the better part of the last century. Netanyahu, Putin, Trump are no different than him in terms of how merciless and inhumane they can be.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 171d
Nobody's complaining about his death here. But everybody should be worried about this new trend of Trump deciding who's deemed fit to rule and who's not.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 167d
This is obviously weakening Trump, so it's killing two birds with one stone. You never know Americans seem to love him no matter what, but it looks like he's lost a lot of support. So the Ayatollah is dead and maybe Americans will get their head out of their asses and actually vote for the political opposition.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 173d
Every so often I am reminded Reddit liberals (who just weren't honest enough to stay there with their MAGA friends, who are closer to them than they are to anyone outside of the Western sphere) also came here. Oh well.
This shit is no joke, man, the US backed a coup and when it wasn't successful enough they murdered people, and this is not even the first time in the span of a year (in this country). And American imperialism is always, always, on the wrong side of history and ethics, because they're amoral geopolitical moves made to enrich Western aristocrats, loss of life is not even part of the equation. Stop it already, you don't have to be Greta but at least you can understand this is nothing but violence for the sake of control by the usual villains, and not make fun of it all.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 173d
Nah, the guy was a piece of shit and I'm glad he's dead and fully supporting people meming in him. I'm not giving some opressive dictator that does all the same shit I hate people like Trump for, just because he also hates America.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 173d
Genuine political change has to come from the people who live under it. If Trump got blown up tomorrow, it would no more change US politics than this is gonna do anything for Iranians. If you want a people to rise up against their "dictator" give them space to decide the best course of actions for themselves.
Why should Iranian citizens look on this as a good thing, take it as an opportunity overturn the system, when the country that bombed and ransacked their neighbors for 20+ years is looming like a vulture?
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 173d
Your heart seems to be in the right place but you're largely misinformed, or taking things in a vacuum. Regardless, is it America's place to bomb yet another country, yet another group of people who haven't attacked them first, for whatever reason you might think?
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 171d
Nah, try listening to Iranians. They love that he got exploded.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 171d
First of all, eww, don't speak so casually about death. And no, lol, the only ones saying that are expats living in the West, of course. 😅
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 170d
No on both accounts. You're wrong, both in your attempt to regulate my language and your assertion.
You can literally find (actual real non-AI) footage of people being close enough to the explosion that they should be terrified, but they're elated instead.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 173d
What could possibly go wrong?
Zozano@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 173d
Man, defrag your badges for fuck sake
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 173d
How's Libya doing these days? Is it good?
altphoto@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 173d
I forget this fuck's name. No, don't google it, its totally fine.
Let's call them all "Epstein files"
clot27@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 173d
didnt ran like the rat netanyahu lol
treesquid@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
He did, as much as he could once he learned shit was going down, but it turns out Iran's intelligence, air defense and operational security all suck so he died in his bunker. He's killed almost as many Iranians in a couple months of protests as Netanyahu has killed Palestinians since the Oct 7 attacks. Bibi is absolute trash, but to pretend like Khamenei was better in any way is insane. They're both completely evil cowards.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 172d
Perhaps more than one person or side can be bad at the same time.
Lemmy reaction : 16/14
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 171d
16/14???
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 171d
Holly Molly, guacamole.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 173d
Iran has been terrible at everything so far. I keep joking that they put huge arrows you can see from space with the naked eye showing where all their leaders, scientists, and generals are.
Iran must know they're infiltrated from top to bottom by Israel, no? Especially after those "abandoned trucks" filled with drones thing?
clot27@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 173d
Sure buddy, thats nice opinion, did epstien give it to you?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 172d
If you use Israeli sources on amount of Palestinians killed and American sources on number of Iranians killed it might just be around the same no? /sarcasm
Triumph@fedia.io · 16 pts · 173d
At least he died doing something he loved.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 173d
We should savour this moment cause I feel like this would be the only good thing that is gonna come out of these string of events.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 172d
Empire's been attacking these people for at least a century.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 173d
Too bad his death had to cost the lives of innocents....
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 173d
How is this a shitpost? Politicalmemes exists.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
We need to just start shitposting in every community, because everything is shitpost, and to deny that is to deny life. When you wake up in the morning, that's shitpost. When you drink a cup of coffee, that's shitpost. Drive to work, shitpost. It's all shitpost, and so I think all we can do is shitpost everywhere.
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 173d
All communities become politics communities over time...
socsa@piefed.social · 12 pts · 173d
Everything is politics. Saying "no politics" is politics. The unwillingness to understand this is arguably a huge part of the problem, particularly in democratic systems. Every breath you take from the moment you are born until the moment you die is both a function of, and contributes towards a political zeitgeist which spans centuries in both directions. At best, an individual's attempt at "avoiding" politics merely cedes a portion of their own agency to others, which is again, a political act.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 3 pts · 173d
Excellent way to put it. I vote for @socsa to represent me on lemmy.
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 173d
Just to be clear, are you calling for all communities to become politics communities, so that there are no spaces about anything else?
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 1 pts · 172d
Only thing I'm calling for is Socsa for President
They're better than your representative
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 173d
Lovely rhetoric there, but I regularly read newspapers, so I am "avoiding" nothing. It is just nice to have spaces which are about something other than politics.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
I listen to music with no lyrics, and I make some of my own. What's the politics in that? I build Lego with my kid. I eat a sandwich for lunch.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 172d
Or you could say all things turn to shit over time...
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 173d
Only through apathy. If the mods did their fucking jobs and actually made a rule against political posts, and then enforced that rule, we wouldn't have this problem.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 173d
Why should they?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 173d
Every shitpost is a political post. Tell me why you feel this is more political than the post about global corporation KFC's rubber nuggets.
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 173d
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. A genuine shitpost has no agenda other than silly humor. You don't know what a shitpost is any more than these useless mods.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
Who the fuck has "no agenda"? I'd like to meet this fully ass fictional person.
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 173d
https://vger.to/lemmy.world/post/43731140
This poster posts actual shitposts. I only had to scroll through this broken comm for 5 fucking seconds to find an actual shitpost with no agenda.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 173d
Idk if that's a shitpost as much as its kind of absurdist humor.
This was the best shitpost we've had in some time and it has a clear agenda:
https://lemmy.world/post/43484865
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 173d
A genuine shitpost is an attempt at trolling. Ergo, all politics are genuinely shitposts.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 171d
A result of UK/US interference prior to the shah which led to islamic revolution.
petersr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 173d
Can someone explain the "died on the first day" part?
mech@feddit.org · 25 pts · 173d
He died on the first day of the current US-Israeli attacks on Iran.
petersr@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 173d
Ah, I see so even though he has been against them for a long time, the joke is that counting from the actual war start it is just one day.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 10 pts · 173d
You sir have correctly parsed the humor included in the joke.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 172d
Unlike Albert would
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 173d
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 172d
Ben, Krasnov, Xi, Vlad and the Ayatollah are peas in the same damn pod. Sick bastards, all of them!
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 171d
The ideal scenario, now that the greybeard kicked the bucket, is for Iran to fire a ballistic missile straight at Netanyahu's arse, Krasnov suffering a heart attack, and Vlad just watching his entire country crumble to bits as his economy dies, and his military collapses from lack of manpower.
Not sure about Xi. Maybe a fishing boat accident.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
+1...or chokes on a fish.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
You forgot Bibi but he’s worse than the others
Cort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
They said Ben, is there another Ben that's not Netanyahu?
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 170d
Maybe they're talking about Benito Mussolini?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
Indeed, add his worthless murdering ass too.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 171d
You forgot little don
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 171d
That's Krasnov.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 171d
Fucking noob... a lot of big talk, but didn't leave the basement of his house.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 171d
He was a brutal fucking bastard... however, he was also 86 and had cancer. Maybe we could have waited 6 months and saved a lot of money and a lot of lives. Dude was going to die soon anyway.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 171d
I think if he died of cancer, the Iranian people wouldn't celebrate as hard as they do right now.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 171d
Waited for what? A next bastard would take his place. This time, however, there is a real chance things could drastically improve for people of Iran
EDIT: Nevermind lol
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 172d
Sounds like he was 86 and wasn't hiding
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
Letterman?
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 172d
Meme is technically correct, entire life ended after 1 day.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
How many times does Iran need to be clapped? Looks like they won't leading the Middle East with Russia and China.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 170d
Are y'all doing a bit or are really this stupid? None of you seem to grasp what martyrdom means. He was an old man dying of cancer. He had plenty of opportunities to go hide in a bunker, but getting killed in an Israeli strike is the best thing that could happen to the Iranian regime. Anyone so clueless as to fall for that better prepare for a long and unsuccessful war.
death to america
Generica@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 172d
bearboiblake@pawb.social · -5 pts · 173d
I mean, he has been fighting US & Israeli imperialism his entire life, he was an old man with failing health and infamously wanted to be martyred by US/Israel
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 173d
Someone should tell those suicide bombers that getting bombed while hiding in a bunker counts as martyrdom. Might save them some trouble.
Fokeu@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 173d
Martyrdom is a fancy word that means death for a made up religion.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 173d
? People have been martyrs for non-religious causes since forever, man.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 171d
You're getting tautological here mate.
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · -15 pts · 172d
Dedicated his life to spiritual fulfilment.
Killed by a country that rapes little girls and a country that murders little girls.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 172d
lol wow, we’re pretending this dude was a good guy now?
Fortunafors@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
Some people are just so anti-USA and anti-israel that they can't see further than "USA and Jews bad, everyone else good".
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 171d
Conflating Israel and Jews is called antisemitism. If someone is just anti-Israel, they don't become antisemitic from that (but it sure invites a lot of antisemites who smell a possible convert)
Fortunafors@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
Not quite, cause semites also includes Muslim Arabs, also most Anti-israel people are just anti-zionism, The thing is most people that are anti-israel are just anti-jews because they know nothing they talk about.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d
When I was 14, I also wisecracked that, but then
So no, antisemitism doesn't refer to any semitic tribes that aren't Jewish.
Fortunafors@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 170d
I agree with you that words meaning is a thing of context, and what matters the most is what people imply when they use it, generalization usually takes a person to the wrong path; the only real guide for almost everything is the context.
IMO, anti-Semitism is more used to refer to anti-muslim sentiment than anti-jew sentiment, but I guess the location on earth that I walk matters a lot.
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d
Where is that? I've never once heard of read of “antisemitism” being used that way
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Reminds me of when the US took out Saddam, the US was wrong for invading Iraq. But saddam was not a good guy and deserved to die. Both can be true. And I do remember during the Iraq invasion people defending Saddam, not the people of Iraq but defending Saddam as a guy who was good cause he opposed America
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · -15 pts · 172d
Like a brainwashed American would know anything about him. other than Zionist / Pahlavi propaganda about how evil he was.
He was a spiritual figure to millions. A poet and a scholar.
I should add he was the only obstacle, through his Fatwa, to Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon. Thats now history thanks to Netanyahu and his paedophile puppet President
Edit: fucking morons
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 172d
Im an indigenous Latino not born anywhere near America but ok.
What I do know is a bunch of Iranian people who has to flee the murders, rapes and executions of the Islamic Revolution .
Fuck religion and spirituality, and fuck this old fuck who got blown up. May he rot in the abyss
BrickEater@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d
A revolution caused by western powers actively destabilizing Iran mind you. Not dick riding the ayatolah but they are a direct result of foreign meddling.
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 171d
Iranians outside Iran hate their country like the Cubans of Florida do. You can't trust anything they say.
You would understand better if the Jews had killed the pope and were dancing in the streets and Zionist media were labeling him a murdering paedophile who deserved to die.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 171d
Yeah, clearly the ones still in Iran absolutely loved him. To the point where they recently went out to the streets to show their support, right?
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 171d
They were protesting the collapse of the currency which was engineered by the Americans. Scott Besant openly admitted this on TV.
https://youtu.be/HDB2SDdzoX8
Mossad then instigated violence to encourage state repression to give Trump a justification for launching air strikes. Pompeo even tweeted about their role in the riots.
https://the307.substack.com/p/why-is-mike-pompeo-and-the-mossad
Millions of people.have in fact gone out into the streets in support of the government, especially since the murder of the Supreme Leader but this has ZERO coverage in Zionist media.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 171d
Sure they were! Nothing happening over there had anything to do with the women that were kidnapped, raped, and/or killed in the custody of the Guidance Patrol! Everybody celebrated these as beautiful moments of religious expression!
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 170d
You have to really go out of your way to be this uneducated, like really there are endless sources on the atrocities and abuses by the royal guard of Iran and the ayatollah, you have to avoid and refuse to read them to have your viewpoint.
P.s Castro was also a murderer and madman, you’re just too young to remember him as anything but the bearded old man with a cigar , you didn’t see their brutal rise to power, so all that death must have been a Jewish lie right?
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 169d
You think the Savak under the Shah was any better?
The West's perception of Iran has for over 40 years been steered by Israel fanatics who despise Iran.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 166d
You know what I think? I think it’s none of our damn business. Do you see Iran sending troops to stop Mexican cartels? Maybe it’s not americas damn job to police the other side of the world, especially when their own country is a dumpster fire.
This past few years even the American left has decided they’re the world police.
My perception of Iran from the last 40 years has been steered by Iranians i personally know who fled the regime. By your logic let’s ignore all the people Fidel Castro murdered and imprisoned illegally for decades, cause our views of him are painted by fleeing Cubans. You are likely too young to remember the actual atrocities, murders, rapes, mass executions. So you think it was bloodless and “the country seems chill”
Castro is a good comparison, all you guys remember a quirky old bearded man with a cigar who looks harmless. Cause you weren’t around for the bloody rise to power and executions
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 172d
You should really stop acting like a country is some monolithic thing where everyone thinks and behaves the same. That's not how it works anywhere. C'mon big dog, a little nuance isn't going to hurt you.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 171d
LOL, good one :D
Mrkawfee@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 171d
Like you would know
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 171d
Yup.