Even the trash cans. Just...put the trash cans in actual view of the camera? How would you buy a camera just to watch your trash cans and then not actually watch the trash cans with it?
No, you're overthinking it. Say the cans are on the opposite side of the house from where op is. If he crosses in view of the front door, he'll (op) be spotted. So he goes through the backyard instead for access to the cans.
He's (op neighbor) not buying a camera and pointing it straight at the cans from the property fence or something.
Easy solution, jam the wifi signal while moving the mat. Added benefit of making them more concerned that the house is haunted. If the houses are close enough (likely, hoa so suburbs) you could just hook it to a basic wall-wart timer that actives at 3 and deactives at 3:05, and have it + jammer plugged in at the closest outlet to neighbors front door. Ring doesn't have a wired ethernet version to fix this vulnerability.
Hypothetically, near instantly. Realistically, I don't think someone is going to bother to triangulate a random burst in the 2.4 and 5ghz bands, but someone logging radio traffic for shits and giggles would certainly notice 5-10 minutes bursts of noise early in the mornings saturating the band (you'd need to do the whole band as modern WiFi will channel hop for the best signal).
I have a Google doorbell and it's night vision is terrible. I've taken the garbage to the curb during the winter when it's the darkest and the doorbell didn't register anything not the noise not the motion. Even knowing what I was looking for I barely show up in the video feed, it looks like a ghost.
Not HOA but similar. I was living in a different city during covid. The city closed the outdoor parks in the poor and working class neighborhoods, the rich folk parks remained open.
They started to wrap the swings at the park around the top bar. I'd unwrap them each day and that went on for about two weeks. Then they went to zip tying the swings together so they couldn't be used. So I would cut the zip ties each day. This went on for another few weeks. Then they brought a sign post and a sign saying the park was closed and using the swings was prohibited. I dug the sign post out and threw it in the woods. Then they chained the swings together with a pad lock so I went to harbor freight and bought very heavy duty bolt cutters and lopped the chain off. That daily chain lopping lasted a week or two then they just took the swings away. I debated about buying swings and attaching them but figured the gambit went on as long as it should have and called it. I had fun.
Meanwhile the whole time the kids in the rich neighborhoods could swing to their daily content.
My park was close to my house and it was closed by ordinance, the other rich ones were not. There is no difference in the parks at all other than the property values in the neighborhoods in which they sat. I wasn't going to go to city hall and complain since the mayor and council people were all from the rich neighborhoods. Rule of law is downwards in our class based society.
Are you saying sabotage the rich kids swings? Thats awful. Like something done shit to your park so youāll pay it forward to other innocent kids. Terrible behaviour. You should be mad at the people doing it and take it out on them or the rule makers.
I think the removed signs should've been liberated and re-placed at the rich neighborhood park, and chains should've simply been set by the swings there. Make them see what they're doing and explain to their families why this is happening (if they even bother to use their parks)
It doesn't damage the park, it doesn't prevent its use but it does clearly place the problem they created at their doorstep
I mean if the city is gonna actively punish poor kids then fuck them rich ones, they should suffer just the same. Teach them some humility instead of the upper class bubble they're in.
The correct response is to find out who is responsible for the chaining/closing and start chaining/closing their stuff. Randomly messing with another park doesn't hurt anyone and just means another park is closed.
Good effort! Hopefully some of the local kids got to enjoy the swings after your heroics each day, & that the council/city eventually put them back after restrictions loosened again.
Its not about the trash cans, its about making sure your neighbours know YOU are calling the shots. If it wasnt the trashcan it would have been the grass a half-inch too high, or the paint on the door chipped slightly, or gravel leaving the premises, or dirty windows.
I mean its perfectly conceivable for any camera to have a blind spot. The lens can only see so much. Heck given its a Ring camera its almost certainly on a wireless connection so its trivial to briefly disrupt the connection if you're okay with violating FCC regulations
A camera was put up explicitly for the purpose of seeing who is moving the bins, and the guy canāt see who is moving the bins, and the guy never thinks to reposition his camera?
If the neighbor is concerned enough to call a priest after exhausting all natural means of dealing with the problem, he's surely going to point the camera right at the trash cans.
I'm imagining there's some setup to how the cans were placed that creates a blindspot where the OOP can move them without himself being seen, so the camera will simply pick up the cans moving each night without any clear source of the movement
We Germans sadly have owner's associations in appartment buildings that can pull similar shit with the house rules, and also crazy restrictive building codes in some places, dictating how your driveway is allowed to look etc.
My parents kinda has one where they live in Sweden. Except everyone is welcome to the meetings. And it's mostly about planning, upkeep, and budgeting for snow ploughing, play parks and things like that, instead of relying on the local council to do it. And it's only for the one street they live on. Definitely no where near what an american HOA is like š
EDIT: since people keep asking about the ring camera - the welcome mat is by his side door. camera points at the driveway. but i'm not taking chances so i bought the same ring camera model and spent a month testing angles in my own house. there's a 2 foot blind spot if you approach from the left hedge. 10 second delay before recording starts. i can be in and out in 8 ;)
There's a reason I bought a 14 acre homestead for $225k four years ago than anything in an HOA.
I'd rather live in the middle of no where and shovel snow, carry firewood downstairs, feed chickens and pigs and break up frozen waters and dig out doors, deal with 6ft drifts blowing around my house all winter, than ever share space with fucking Gary.
This would be me if I ever moved to the suburbs in an HOA, which I would never do on purpose.
I am enraged by proxy at the very existence of HOAs even though I have never been part of one or indeed interacted with an HOA or even (knowingly) a member of one. I just hate them for existing.
IDK. I've had good and bad experiences with them. But overall more positive than negative. It's all about which HOA you're talking about. Yes, you can say you should be able to do what you want with your land. But that isn't how any kind of land ownership works anywhere on Earth. There are always some entities regulating how you can use it, as you inevitably have neighbors and you don't have a right to damage the enjoyment of their property.
Can they be overbearing? Sure, the wrong ones can. But they also keep mean that I don't have to worry about my next door neighbor turning his property into a junkyard.
I've had 2 and they were both far, far more than just overbearing (yes, I realize that I used that word in my previous comment). My first HOA had a pair of elderly sisters that were both on the board that would walk around the subdivision a few times a week with clipboards just looking for anything that they would come at you with. One time they had the board lawyer send me a threat of putting a lien on my property because I had left a paint can on my driveway for a few hours... while I was literally painting a room.
The only people that HOAs serve are authoritarians and people who only think of their home as an investment whose value is more important than anything else. I just won't play that game anymore.
Respectfully, you're painting with far too broad a brush. I don't consider it authoritarian to not want my next door neighbor to turn their front lawn into a junkyard. Again, it really depends on the HOA. I know that goes against the Lemmy party line, but it's my lived experience and the experience of millions of American homeowners.
I don't consider it authoritarian to not want my next door neighbor to turn their front lawn into a junkyard.
That is authoritarian, regardless of how reasonable the desire is. If the only thing keeping your neighbor from turning their front yard into a junkyard is a threat of force, is that a relationship worth preserving?
I'm the kind of person who would go full rules-lawyer on them, get myself elected to the board and generally rip out every silly rule they have if not completely disband the HOA if needed
Not that easy - changing the rules generally requires a vote to the homeowners, not just the board, and usually requires a minimum amount of participation (like a majority have to approve, regardless of how many(few) vote).
I mean, maybe I'm a bit too optimistic but if they've pissed me off they've probably pissed off everyone so it should be easy to convince enough people to show up to tear out the silly rules that they keep getting fines for
Anybody have any neighbor revenge tips? As in my neighbor is a fucking psycho who tried to break into my house, but is also rich, so he paid a lawyer and got a hand slap?
Obligatory, ACAB and fuck America. Canāt wait to take a position overseas again.
Can someone explain why there are so many stories of bad HOAs in America? Don't everyone in the HOA get to vote on who will be on the board and what rules there should be? Why do many of them seem to have strange and petty rules? What makes them able to issue fines for so small infractions? Where does the fine money go? Who sets up the HOA in the first place and what is the motivation to do so?
We got plenty of similar associations where I live (both for apartments and houses, though not so often for fully detached homes) and they usually work great. Basically you pay a monthly fee to your HOA that the board use to keep the plumbing and outside areas maintained, pay for tv/internet for everyone at a much reduced cost or maintain other common areas like laundry rooms, guest apartment, parking garage, workshop etc. There are of course some restrictions too you need to follow, but those are usually minor and common sense anyways (like you shouldn't play very loud music too late in an apartment in the middle of the week) and that you don't get to do whatever you want to the outside of your place.
(Another common rule is that you need HOA approval to sublet your apartment. This can be occasionally annoying to deal with, but is good because it prevents people from buying up apartments just to rent them out. And most of the time the HOA will approve you if you're just moving away for a year or similar.)
That was the original intent, yes. Then they were tainted by greed and now most of them are in place before anyone lives in the neighborhood, so owners have no choice if they want to live there. Many are owned and operated by private companies that profit off petty fines like this. I once got a letter threatening a fine because I parked my car in my driveway and it had expired tabs. This was during early covid when the DMV was slower than usual. I almost lost my shit.
Check out this episode of Last week tonight if you wanna get more upset.
That's not the original intent. In the US, HOAs were mostly created after the end of segregation to keep black people out of white neighborhoods, an origin story that puts into context the modern of pettiness and desire to control others we see in stories like this.
In the early postwar period after World War II, many [HOAs] were defined to exclude African Americans and, in some cases, Jews, with Asians also excluded on the West Coast.
A racial covenant in a Seattle, Washington, neighborhood stated, "No part of said property hereby conveyed shall ever be used or occupied by any Hebrew or by any person of the Ethiopian, Malay or any Asiatic race."
When these were found unconstitutional in 1948, they became private contacts until those became illegal in 1968, but because HOAs had to approve new members/buyers, the rules stayed in effect until the majority of a community decided to stop being racist. On top of that, in 1963 the Federal Housing Administration said they would only insure mortgages on homes with an HOA which is really what created suburban sprawl and the ghettoization of the American inner cities.
If you look at the history of HOAs it's really a long and protracted fight on all levels by racists and bigots against the Civil Rights movement.
TL;DR: Although conceptually HOAs are a good idea, even trending towards communalism, actually existing HOAs are, with a few exceptions, downright regressive, often criminally so.
Edit: Right, so in summary there is no regulation at all on American HOAs and they are also easily taken over by private companies. Makes sense they are bad. Though it's still astonishing that an organisation can be so unregulated that it can enforce more fines than the local government, without any oversight.
Donāt everyone in the HOA get to vote on who will be on the board and what rules there should be? Why do many of them seem to have strange and petty rules?
Why should it be different from any other election?
HOA plus calling a priest to have the house blessed certainly point in that direction though. But I don't think that would be legal everywhere even there. Isn't much use to you though if the neighbour is the kind of psycho to shoot someone over this.
We have taloyhtiƶ which is similar. The one I live in at the moment is pretty good, we even have our own janitor which is rare nowadays. Today I called the janitor about a leaking pipe and they arranged a plumber for tomorrow, no hassle.
The housing cooperative is much liked and there are elderly people living here that were born in these houses and never lived elsewhere. It's not a posh neighbourhood either, which is nice. Just normal people.
But of course it varies a lot. Here most of the people who own the flats live in them, and the board members too, but the housing cooperatives whose boards are filled with landlords tend to minimize the upkeep and services. And when also the tenants change all the time the community that would look after itself doesn't have a chance to grow.
Ours is just a little over 100 years old now, and even back from the start, the building won some prize, i dont know what its called but something like best building made in copenhagen from recycled materials in 1918.
We also had own bathrooms, both toilet and showers, from the start. Most other buildings around here had it installed in the 80s.
And many other buildings also had backhouses that were eventually demolished to make room for common areas, where ours had the foresight to never build one.
Oh, and of the 250 apartments, about 70% are still owned by the same families who came together and built the building. That means that when the laws around pricing in andelsboligforeninger changed, people here chose to keep the old low prices.
"I might be able to become a Millionaire today, but then my 3 children would all need millions each to own a home" has been the consensus around here since then. (a million dkk is about 140.000$)
I am very proud that the families all came together around that decision before my time. Its literally one of the only places in Copenhagen where a normal person can own a home without millions in debt.
In US we call that a housing cooperative, that's different, because the co-op owns the building(s), then people own shares in the co-op. An HOA generally only owns (and maintains) the common areas, then individuals own their own building, but sometimes there aren't any common areas, then you're just paying the HOA for the privilege of being subject to their extra rules. Co-ops are rare, and harder to finance (since you don't own something that can be foreclosed on)
I imagine all neighborhoods have some local association that fills this function. It's just that the USA cosplays as libertarians while being authotitarians.
I hate to drag in Iran into this, but that's a country where property is respected. You owned a piece of land in the 60s that you never developed, then the revolution came and you fled to LA? Well your plot of land is still sitting there, untouched, in the middle of Tehran, now worth tens of millions of dollars.
As a homeowner in Iran, you own a cone with its tip in the Earth's core and its base emanating to the edge of the universe. The same applies if ypu own an apartment. You have a veto, changes can only happen by consensus.
The only thing they've had to bring fines about is people trying to move furniture in the wrong elevator and scratching up the wood finishings, and they should. We have a freight elevator for that.
146 Comments
mrnobody@reddthat.com · 151 pts · 171d
I don't believe it... Moving a welcome mat when the guy has a camera doorbell? C'mon...
Lawnman23@piefed.social · 144 pts · 171d
Thatuserguy@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 171d
Even the trash cans. Just...put the trash cans in actual view of the camera? How would you buy a camera just to watch your trash cans and then not actually watch the trash cans with it?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 171d
No, you're overthinking it. Say the cans are on the opposite side of the house from where op is. If he crosses in view of the front door, he'll (op) be spotted. So he goes through the backyard instead for access to the cans.
He's (op neighbor) not buying a camera and pointing it straight at the cans from the property fence or something.
RustyShackleford@piefed.social · 15 pts · 171d
Exactly, signal jam the cheap way. š Most people donāt realize you can set this up in the breaker box lol. But Iām a stinker.
fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net · 3 pts · 171d
Doesnāt explain moving the welcome mat undetected though
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
Read my other comment :p
fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net · 3 pts · 171d
What other comment?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
https://lemmy.world/comment/22436182
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 171d
Easy solution, jam the wifi signal while moving the mat. Added benefit of making them more concerned that the house is haunted. If the houses are close enough (likely, hoa so suburbs) you could just hook it to a basic wall-wart timer that actives at 3 and deactives at 3:05, and have it + jammer plugged in at the closest outlet to neighbors front door. Ring doesn't have a wired ethernet version to fix this vulnerability.
...why are you looking at me like that?
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 171d
Yeah, good idea. Commit a felony offense to cover the tracks of your late night trashcan shenanigan...
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 171d
It's only bad if you get caught
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Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 171d
There are radio nerds out there who are extremely interested in RF noise and will absolutely triangulate and report a signal jammer.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 171d
Well now we have to move the trash cans of two houses I guess
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 169d
How much time does one need to triangulate a signal these days? Asking for a friend
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
Hypothetically, near instantly. Realistically, I don't think someone is going to bother to triangulate a random burst in the 2.4 and 5ghz bands, but someone logging radio traffic for shits and giggles would certainly notice 5-10 minutes bursts of noise early in the mornings saturating the band (you'd need to do the whole band as modern WiFi will channel hop for the best signal).
redsand@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 171d
You don't have to jam it. You can spam it with DEAUTHs from anything that will run aircrack.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 170d
I thought wpa3 made those attacks not possible?
Also jeez, that's a program I haven't thought of in 20 years. That and wireshark...
redsand@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 170d
It can but usually isn't configured to. WPA3 may have it's own seprate DoS flaw that wasn't fully patchable, can't remember
jqubed@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 171d
You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 171d
You guys are no fun
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 171d
Impossible!
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 170d
Inconceivable!
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 171d
I have a Google doorbell and it's night vision is terrible. I've taken the garbage to the curb during the winter when it's the darkest and the doorbell didn't register anything not the noise not the motion. Even knowing what I was looking for I barely show up in the video feed, it looks like a ghost.
kamenlady@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 171d
Even better
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
Have you tried turning the porch light on?
redsand@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 171d
You have no idea how many of those things are mounted such that you can walk up from the side unseen.
Source - my neighbor's an idiot
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 170d
Found op. That's some nice work you're doing.
night_petal@piefed.social · 6 pts · 171d
This is easily accomplished with a fishing rod. I also don't believe this, however.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 171d
Not HOA but similar. I was living in a different city during covid. The city closed the outdoor parks in the poor and working class neighborhoods, the rich folk parks remained open.
They started to wrap the swings at the park around the top bar. I'd unwrap them each day and that went on for about two weeks. Then they went to zip tying the swings together so they couldn't be used. So I would cut the zip ties each day. This went on for another few weeks. Then they brought a sign post and a sign saying the park was closed and using the swings was prohibited. I dug the sign post out and threw it in the woods. Then they chained the swings together with a pad lock so I went to harbor freight and bought very heavy duty bolt cutters and lopped the chain off. That daily chain lopping lasted a week or two then they just took the swings away. I debated about buying swings and attaching them but figured the gambit went on as long as it should have and called it. I had fun.
Meanwhile the whole time the kids in the rich neighborhoods could swing to their daily content.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 171d
I love it. Perhaps it would have been more effective to just do whatever they did to the swings at the other parks? Either way it's good stuff
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 171d
My park was close to my house and it was closed by ordinance, the other rich ones were not. There is no difference in the parks at all other than the property values in the neighborhoods in which they sat. I wasn't going to go to city hall and complain since the mayor and council people were all from the rich neighborhoods. Rule of law is downwards in our class based society.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 171d
The difference in the swings in the other parks were that they were surrounded by rich people
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 171d
Are you saying sabotage the rich kids swings? Thats awful. Like something done shit to your park so youāll pay it forward to other innocent kids. Terrible behaviour. You should be mad at the people doing it and take it out on them or the rule makers.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 171d
I think the removed signs should've been liberated and re-placed at the rich neighborhood park, and chains should've simply been set by the swings there. Make them see what they're doing and explain to their families why this is happening (if they even bother to use their parks)
It doesn't damage the park, it doesn't prevent its use but it does clearly place the problem they created at their doorstep
BrickEater@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 171d
I mean if the city is gonna actively punish poor kids then fuck them rich ones, they should suffer just the same. Teach them some humility instead of the upper class bubble they're in.
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 171d
The correct response is to find out who is responsible for the chaining/closing and start chaining/closing their stuff. Randomly messing with another park doesn't hurt anyone and just means another park is closed.
DeadPixel@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 171d
Good effort! Hopefully some of the local kids got to enjoy the swings after your heroics each day, & that the council/city eventually put them back after restrictions loosened again.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 171d
They did eventually, I think it took more than a year. It was ridiculous.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 171d
Blind spot so big the cans are there too which defeats the purpose of the camera. Got it.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 171d
Someone who reports people's trash cans to the HOA so they can be fined for it probably aren't someone who understands camera angles.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 171d
Even the dumbest person is going to check the feed bro, come on.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 171d
They can check the feed all they want. If the angles don't show anything it doesn't matter.
socsa@piefed.social · 59 pts · 171d
Imagine being so fucking basic you care about trash cans being visible from the street.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 171d
Its not about the trash cans, its about making sure your neighbours know YOU are calling the shots. If it wasnt the trashcan it would have been the grass a half-inch too high, or the paint on the door chipped slightly, or gravel leaving the premises, or dirty windows.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 171d
grass too tall
didn't respect mah athoriteh
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 171d
Yeah, basic as fuck.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 170d
HOA zombies are a plague
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 171d
These are creative writing exercises on reddit. It's gotten a million times worse since LLMs.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 32 pts · 171d
A LLM that does not understand that you canāt avoid being seen by a ring camera by āapproaching from a blind spot. ā
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 20 pts · 171d
I mean its perfectly conceivable for any camera to have a blind spot. The lens can only see so much. Heck given its a Ring camera its almost certainly on a wireless connection so its trivial to briefly disrupt the connection if you're okay with violating FCC regulations
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 170d
A camera was put up explicitly for the purpose of seeing who is moving the bins, and the guy canāt see who is moving the bins, and the guy never thinks to reposition his camera?
No, thatās AI slop.
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 170d
uienia@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
If a camera is pointed directly at the trash cans, there would be no blind spot from which they could move them.
cuerdo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
the cans would not be in a blind spot
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
You're making the assumption the cameras can see the bins. Might just look at a driveway.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 171d
The term Gaslighting gets thrown around a lot, but if this story were actually real it would be the perfect modern day example of it.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
Ya no way this is real. My ring doorbell detects the damn trees when the wind blows too hard. Not a chance he avoids the camera.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 171d
Obligatory get that police state spyware off your home and use something else (if cameras are even at all necessary!)
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 171d
Unless he was behind it, like the post implies.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 171d
If the neighbor is concerned enough to call a priest after exhausting all natural means of dealing with the problem, he's surely going to point the camera right at the trash cans.
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Ring doorbell camera can't be "pointed", it screws to a flat surface, presumably the doorway. That said, they have a pretty wide field of view.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 171d
I'm imagining there's some setup to how the cans were placed that creates a blindspot where the OOP can move them without himself being seen, so the camera will simply pick up the cans moving each night without any clear source of the movement
statelesz@slrpnk.net · 34 pts · 171d
HOA are such a crazy concept. There is no such thing in Europe.
bstix@feddit.dk · 24 pts · 171d
Of course there are home owners associations in Europe. They're just not crazy.
harsh3466@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 171d
Am in US. I will NEVER own a house with an HOA. NEVER
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 170d
harsh3466@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 170d
Why not both? š¤£
TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 171d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 171d
Challenge accepted, I just need to find a step ladder to reach!
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 171d
OTOH, your town planning councils tend to be a lot more restrictive.
helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 171d
Look up the word bĆ¼nzli
Bababasti@feddit.org · 4 pts · 170d
For real, Switzerland does not nearly get enough shit for being exactly like the stereotypes that actually exist for Germany but even more so
Bababasti@feddit.org · 6 pts · 170d
In the whole of Europe? That thing thatās made up by a big bunch of countries, all with very different laws and regulations? Bold claim.
Don_alForno@feddit.org · 5 pts · 170d
We Germans sadly have owner's associations in appartment buildings that can pull similar shit with the house rules, and also crazy restrictive building codes in some places, dictating how your driveway is allowed to look etc.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
My parents kinda has one where they live in Sweden. Except everyone is welcome to the meetings. And it's mostly about planning, upkeep, and budgeting for snow ploughing, play parks and things like that, instead of relying on the local council to do it. And it's only for the one street they live on. Definitely no where near what an american HOA is like š
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d
We have them for apartment buildings in Romania. Never heard of any for houses, fortunately.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 27 pts · 170d
I'm a little confused how OOP is moving the welcome mat without triggering the camera. Though I'm sure this story is $100% real.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 169d
OOP edited it to clarify
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 169d
Oh btw hereās the link
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 169d
Let's hope his neighbour is not on Reddit.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 168d
Heād get a 2nd HOA fine lmao
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 170d
Not the $ sign too
MathiasTCK@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
1$00%
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 170d
Realist
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
Would that be 100 dollars percent or 100 percent dollars?
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 169d
That would be, "100% and I can bet $100 on it.".
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 171d
Shit Americans will do instead of just abolishing HOAs.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 171d
They've creeped into Canada. I always call people who voluntarily join an HOA authoritarian morons.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 171d
There's a reason I bought a 14 acre homestead for $225k four years ago than anything in an HOA.
I'd rather live in the middle of no where and shovel snow, carry firewood downstairs, feed chickens and pigs and break up frozen waters and dig out doors, deal with 6ft drifts blowing around my house all winter, than ever share space with fucking Gary.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 8 pts · 171d
It's the HOA Karens that run politics, so you do the math on how well that'd work out.
deacon@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 171d
This would be me if I ever moved to the suburbs in an HOA, which I would never do on purpose.
I am enraged by proxy at the very existence of HOAs even though I have never been part of one or indeed interacted with an HOA or even (knowingly) a member of one. I just hate them for existing.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 171d
I have had some shitty HOAs and I now live in a home with no HOA for a reason. Fuck those overbearing shitheads.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
IDK. I've had good and bad experiences with them. But overall more positive than negative. It's all about which HOA you're talking about. Yes, you can say you should be able to do what you want with your land. But that isn't how any kind of land ownership works anywhere on Earth. There are always some entities regulating how you can use it, as you inevitably have neighbors and you don't have a right to damage the enjoyment of their property.
Can they be overbearing? Sure, the wrong ones can. But they also keep mean that I don't have to worry about my next door neighbor turning his property into a junkyard.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 171d
I've had 2 and they were both far, far more than just overbearing (yes, I realize that I used that word in my previous comment). My first HOA had a pair of elderly sisters that were both on the board that would walk around the subdivision a few times a week with clipboards just looking for anything that they would come at you with. One time they had the board lawyer send me a threat of putting a lien on my property because I had left a paint can on my driveway for a few hours... while I was literally painting a room.
The only people that HOAs serve are authoritarians and people who only think of their home as an investment whose value is more important than anything else. I just won't play that game anymore.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d
Respectfully, you're painting with far too broad a brush. I don't consider it authoritarian to not want my next door neighbor to turn their front lawn into a junkyard. Again, it really depends on the HOA. I know that goes against the Lemmy party line, but it's my lived experience and the experience of millions of American homeowners.
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
That is authoritarian, regardless of how reasonable the desire is. If the only thing keeping your neighbor from turning their front yard into a junkyard is a threat of force, is that a relationship worth preserving?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
I mean, you can masturbate about all laws, contracts, and agreements being a "threat of force," but I don't give such libertarian dogma any credence.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 171d
I'm the kind of person who would go full rules-lawyer on them, get myself elected to the board and generally rip out every silly rule they have if not completely disband the HOA if needed
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Not that easy - changing the rules generally requires a vote to the homeowners, not just the board, and usually requires a minimum amount of participation (like a majority have to approve, regardless of how many(few) vote).
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 169d
I mean, maybe I'm a bit too optimistic but if they've pissed me off they've probably pissed off everyone so it should be easy to convince enough people to show up to tear out the silly rules that they keep getting fines for
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 171d
This should be green text.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 171d
Weird request, but okay.
Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 171d
MY EYEBALLS ARE MELTING
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 171d
superduperenigma@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 171d
š¤ the fact that you went through the effort to make that text green, too
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 170d
Monkeys paw finger curls
MehBlah@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 171d
whooosh.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 171d
Fake but still kind of funny.
ugandan_airways@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 170d
Anybody have any neighbor revenge tips? As in my neighbor is a fucking psycho who tried to break into my house, but is also rich, so he paid a lawyer and got a hand slap?
Obligatory, ACAB and fuck America. Canāt wait to take a position overseas again.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 170d
Depends how much revenge you need. There is a sliding scale between pooping on his doormat to planting creeping bamboo to planting an IED.
ugandan_airways@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 170d
Somewhere between the bamboo and IED
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 169d
if he has a dog, you could put broken glass into dog food and feed it to the dog.
ugandan_airways@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 169d
Whoa now! His dog didnāt do anything to me!
Also, you have a very appropriate username
ulterno@programming.dev · 2 pts · 169d
While I hate dogs, I can't really condone this.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
I'm just brainstorming here.
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 169d
I get that.
Just wasn't very tasty.
davepleasebehave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
that's why you enrobe it in dog food.
A spoon full of dog food helps the broken glass go down.
In the most delightful way.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 170d
I find a well aimed missile tends to do the trick
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 170d
Good ol frozen piss disc. /s
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Seems like it should be possible to introduce crab grass to his lawn...
ugandan_airways@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 169d
Thatās like the bamboo idea. I like it. Really makes me think about how genius the creeping bamboo is.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 171d
I'd rather live in a cardboard box behind a wal-mart than in an HOA.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 170d
Bruh this is literally Stasi shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
OOP should join the FSB lmfao
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 169d
HOA are bullshit, but the folks who actually use em to cause problems for their neighbors are a different kind of scum.
ulterno@programming.dev · 2 pts · 169d
On the other hand, the guy upstairs me hasn't fixed their seepage problems in years and my ceiling is watering. Maybe no HOA here.
Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Can never catch a break, can we?
Ecen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 170d
Can someone explain why there are so many stories of bad HOAs in America? Don't everyone in the HOA get to vote on who will be on the board and what rules there should be? Why do many of them seem to have strange and petty rules? What makes them able to issue fines for so small infractions? Where does the fine money go? Who sets up the HOA in the first place and what is the motivation to do so?
We got plenty of similar associations where I live (both for apartments and houses, though not so often for fully detached homes) and they usually work great. Basically you pay a monthly fee to your HOA that the board use to keep the plumbing and outside areas maintained, pay for tv/internet for everyone at a much reduced cost or maintain other common areas like laundry rooms, guest apartment, parking garage, workshop etc. There are of course some restrictions too you need to follow, but those are usually minor and common sense anyways (like you shouldn't play very loud music too late in an apartment in the middle of the week) and that you don't get to do whatever you want to the outside of your place.
(Another common rule is that you need HOA approval to sublet your apartment. This can be occasionally annoying to deal with, but is good because it prevents people from buying up apartments just to rent them out. And most of the time the HOA will approve you if you're just moving away for a year or similar.)
cpaq47@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 170d
That was the original intent, yes. Then they were tainted by greed and now most of them are in place before anyone lives in the neighborhood, so owners have no choice if they want to live there. Many are owned and operated by private companies that profit off petty fines like this. I once got a letter threatening a fine because I parked my car in my driveway and it had expired tabs. This was during early covid when the DMV was slower than usual. I almost lost my shit.
Check out this episode of Last week tonight if you wanna get more upset.
Last Week Tonight HOAs
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 170d
That's not the original intent. In the US, HOAs were mostly created after the end of segregation to keep black people out of white neighborhoods, an origin story that puts into context the modern of pettiness and desire to control others we see in stories like this.
When these were found unconstitutional in 1948, they became private contacts until those became illegal in 1968, but because HOAs had to approve new members/buyers, the rules stayed in effect until the majority of a community decided to stop being racist. On top of that, in 1963 the Federal Housing Administration said they would only insure mortgages on homes with an HOA which is really what created suburban sprawl and the ghettoization of the American inner cities.
If you look at the history of HOAs it's really a long and protracted fight on all levels by racists and bigots against the Civil Rights movement.
Ā https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association
TL;DR: Although conceptually HOAs are a good idea, even trending towards communalism, actually existing HOAs are, with a few exceptions, downright regressive, often criminally so.
Ecen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
Thanks! I will give it a watch.
It does seem to suck. I hope it can get better.
Edit: Right, so in summary there is no regulation at all on American HOAs and they are also easily taken over by private companies. Makes sense they are bad. Though it's still astonishing that an organisation can be so unregulated that it can enforce more fines than the local government, without any oversight.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 2 pts · 170d
Hittade svensken
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 169d
Why should it be different from any other election?
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 171d
I wouldn't even notice if the bins moved 6"
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 5 pts · 170d
Check every morning if the cans moved.
Notice they move Wednesday night.
Set alarm for middle of the night (3AM) and check if they moved.
Didn't move? Next week set alarm for 4.30AM.
Moved? 3.45AM.
Moved....
Shoot the guy trespassing on your property in dark clothes in the middle of the night.
BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 170d
Nowhere does it say they are Americans š¤·āāļø also you sound like a psychopath
LwL@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 170d
HOA plus calling a priest to have the house blessed certainly point in that direction though. But I don't think that would be legal everywhere even there. Isn't much use to you though if the neighbour is the kind of psycho to shoot someone over this.
seejur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
Isn't HOA pretty unique to America (and maybe Canada)?
BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 170d
I live in an andelsboligforening, thats kind of the same i think.
Imagine if an association owned an apartment complex, and the association was owned by the members.
So i dont technically own my apartment, i own a specific part of the association, that is connected with this specific apartment.
We have the same for city gardens called Kolonihave, its actually very common in Northern Europe.
Jojowski@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 170d
We have taloyhtiƶ which is similar. The one I live in at the moment is pretty good, we even have our own janitor which is rare nowadays. Today I called the janitor about a leaking pipe and they arranged a plumber for tomorrow, no hassle.
The housing cooperative is much liked and there are elderly people living here that were born in these houses and never lived elsewhere. It's not a posh neighbourhood either, which is nice. Just normal people.
But of course it varies a lot. Here most of the people who own the flats live in them, and the board members too, but the housing cooperatives whose boards are filled with landlords tend to minimize the upkeep and services. And when also the tenants change all the time the community that would look after itself doesn't have a chance to grow.
BogeyTheSwear@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 167d
Ours is just a little over 100 years old now, and even back from the start, the building won some prize, i dont know what its called but something like best building made in copenhagen from recycled materials in 1918.
We also had own bathrooms, both toilet and showers, from the start. Most other buildings around here had it installed in the 80s.
And many other buildings also had backhouses that were eventually demolished to make room for common areas, where ours had the foresight to never build one.
Oh, and of the 250 apartments, about 70% are still owned by the same families who came together and built the building. That means that when the laws around pricing in andelsboligforeninger changed, people here chose to keep the old low prices.
"I might be able to become a Millionaire today, but then my 3 children would all need millions each to own a home" has been the consensus around here since then. (a million dkk is about 140.000$)
I am very proud that the families all came together around that decision before my time. Its literally one of the only places in Copenhagen where a normal person can own a home without millions in debt.
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
In US we call that a housing cooperative, that's different, because the co-op owns the building(s), then people own shares in the co-op. An HOA generally only owns (and maintains) the common areas, then individuals own their own building, but sometimes there aren't any common areas, then you're just paying the HOA for the privilege of being subject to their extra rules. Co-ops are rare, and harder to finance (since you don't own something that can be foreclosed on)
seejur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 170d
mirshafie@europe.pub · 2 pts · 170d
I imagine all neighborhoods have some local association that fills this function. It's just that the USA cosplays as libertarians while being authotitarians.
I hate to drag in Iran into this, but that's a country where property is respected. You owned a piece of land in the 60s that you never developed, then the revolution came and you fled to LA? Well your plot of land is still sitting there, untouched, in the middle of Tehran, now worth tens of millions of dollars.
As a homeowner in Iran, you own a cone with its tip in the Earth's core and its base emanating to the edge of the universe. The same applies if ypu own an apartment. You have a veto, changes can only happen by consensus.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 170d
Slightly annoyed by neighbor -> commits premeditated murder.
Yup, perfect solution.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d
I'm just glad my HOA is chill and I like them.
The only thing they've had to bring fines about is people trying to move furniture in the wrong elevator and scratching up the wood finishings, and they should. We have a freight elevator for that.
parzival@lemmy.org · 8 pts · 171d
That sounds more like just an apartment management or smth, no? HOAs are more for separate houses I thought
balderdash9@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 164d
Reads like greentext
quotequack@lemmy.quotequack.xyz · -1 pts · 169d
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