They've dragged the US government into 38 trillion dollars in dept dropping nearly a trillion dollars a year into the military industrial complex without an ability to pass an audit. Soon the largest expenditure in the US federal discretionary budget will be paying interest on on debts taken to feed that beast. But forgiving student loans and providing healthcare... we can't afford that.
Obama tried to follow the Constitution, and Republicans used every opportunity to disrupt, derail, and corrupt his good faith agenda and policy proposals. I remember distinctly
And his drone strikes? Was he following the constitution in good faith?
Show me where the Constitution says anything about how to handle US citizens who become enemy combatants adhering to non-state organizations waging war against the US.
Obama tried to come up with an orderly procedure for making decisions in those cases, consistent with the Constitution and international treaties such as the Geneva Convention (which tallks about armed non-uniformed irregulars, but doesn't say much about them, and assumes the states they operate in have the capacity to deal with them as bandits, which is not always true).
And the idea that drones are somehow worse than any other method of blowing people to kingdom come is also irrational.
Who was it that toppled Gaddafi? From what I recall it was an angry mob of libyans.
Also Bush set the precedent for ordering drone strikes. Obama just did what Democrats do, and used the tool in a more effective manner.
It's one thing to inherit a bullshit war, and do your best to end\win it.
Starting a war with an enemy nation (Isreal), that has no actual objective or win scenario, and tanking the economy in the process to try and distract from all the children your raped is entirely different. It's also the Republican party platform.
Republicans are the guy that sucker punches someone, then when that person turns around and whoops their ass, Republicans will immediately claim that it wasn't fair, or that their victim 'cheated'. It's common bitch baby behavior, which is the only thing you can expect from right wing MAGAts
If a war is started unconstitutionaly, and if an unconstitutional government torture program is started, it can be closed and ended without a constitution. Don't use the "poor 'ole Democrat" excuse to accept wars and torture. Unless it was the Parliamentarian. Well that one rules above all.
You're doing the false equivalency fallacy by bringing Obama into this though. Sure Democrats and Republicans are both bad, but trying to say they are equally bad isn't true.
Obama started 5 wars in middle east, dropped more bombs than GWB. I constantly hear that Trump increased drone strikes like 430% his first year the first term. Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB. People complain about the Trump deportations. Yet Obama was the Deporter in Chief, and both Obama and Biden deported more immigrants than Trump. People complain about the immigrant detention centers under Trump, and as Trump asked Clinton wisely who built the cages the immigrant children were being put into, it was Obama. During Trumps first term, when he had a State of the Union, the one time Democrats stood up and cheered was when Trump introduced Juan Guaidó. When it comes to wars(especially regime change wars) and immigration, Republicans and Democrats very much agree, and the only way they wouldn't be equel, is if you consider that Obama deported more and dropped more bombs.
That like jumping out of a aeroplane then 3 seconds later deciding to quit jumping out of an aeroplane, war doesn't work like that, sometimes unfortunately you have to accept the past actions and continue down the path and hopefully change the outcome in a positive way, see the Donald trump pull out of Afghanistan, the Taliban are now literally armed with US weapons, equipment and full control over the country
"Those are crimes of the past. We have to look to the future" and it was Biden that pulled out of Afghanistan. I do support that though. There was no good way to get out. It was a band aid that had to be ripped off.
LOL, so true. I often laugh about the "tea party" and how it's not really a thing, and then I'm immediately reminded of how the "Green Party" is not much more of a serious thing, either. Other than being seriously used to monkey-wrench this country and give more power to Republicans...
We won't be sending in ground troops this time. So there can't possibly be a quagmire like we had in Iraq or Afghanistan. And Trump promised money to any ship that gets attacked in the Straight of Hormuz (which I'm more than confident that he's good for) so trade will pick back up again as soon as the smoke clears.
Honestly, I think he did a heck of a job and I'm excited to see what kind of incredible progress he can achieve for American foreign policy in Cuba next.
If his goal was to take a nation on the verge of revolution and cement the dictatorship for another generation, radicalizing thousands, then mission accomplished.
His goal is to foment Iranian terrorist cells to attack on US soil, thus giving the pretext this regime was looking for to institute martial law or cancel midterms all together.
Also his other goal was to do anything Israel wanted so they don't release all the kompromat of Trump raping children.
True, but it would be much better if the Iranian regime just attacked themselves, then the American regime wouldn't have to pile on even more lies.
Straight outta Putin's playbook, with the Chechen terrorist attacks, that somehow used a very specific material that only Russian military would have access to and then the FSB confiscated all evidence and never investigated it again.
When everything is for show, you don’t even have to half-ass it. Some bombs were dropped, some folks died, he got to salute coffins for the camera after looking tough. Mission Accomplished, what’s next?
The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'
He doesn't lie, he lives in a narcissistic delusion. With his brain melted, he's actually terrible at lying... Watch him talk about the Epstein files, he goes stiff like he forgets how to move his body
Finally, someone said it. He's too honest for his own good. He doesn't lie; the people around him do. He just repeats what he's told and what he believes. He flipflops his opinions and plans every 2 seconds because that's how long it takes to convince him or a new idea. He doesn't have the mental capacity to lie.
Maybe not anymore, but he used to lie like it was going out of style. If his brain wasn't mush, he would be lying. Now he just repeats whatever the nearest person to him has said.
The reality is that nobody can reliably assess what he believes or doesn't believe. Maybe he believes his own bullshit, maybe not. But it's still bullshit regardless, and his culpability is the same either way.
Right, but he just goes inside and the hornets buzz around impotently, then he is hung over the next morning and pisses on the knocked down hornets nest and goes about his day never giving another thought about it.
Nah man, Putin is Trump's hero. Watch us take some territory and refuse to give it up through multiple cease fires. Not only did he not stop the war in Ukraine, he turned America into fucking russia. Fucking dumb timeline
Someone needs to start the rumor on "Truth" that nukes will make the oil and the gasoline processed from it radioactive and kill Americans at the pump!
He believed "..they are eating the dogs and the cats!.."
I guess one of the advantages of having literally zero plans other then "kill the current bad guy" is that you can just stop whenever you want and declare victory.
The Ayatollah's son who just took over is known for being even more of a hardliner (good luck Iranian protesters) AND the US and Israel just killed his both of his parents and his wife. So yeah definitely much victory, much win.
He's like a fucking chihuahua that barks at a random passerby on the street and then celebrates his "victory of making them leave" when that person simply doesn't give a shit and keeps walking.
After comments that seemed to suggest President Trump was looking towards an exit from his war with Iran, Trump said in a speech to Republican lawmakers in Florida that “we have won in many ways, but not enough. We go forward more determined than ever to achieve ultimate victory that will end this long-running danger once and for all.”
The enemy cannot anticipate your actions if you have no plan! No doubt Sun Tzu would have said something like that if he were American.
I'm always amazed to see the number of people go "oh no, he said one thing and now he says the other thing! Can you believe this? Wait till he says another thing and then when you're smart maybe it's not the thing if you wait a few days! That crazy president! Let's subscribe to his twitter so we can be smart"
If this is true, I think we should hire Iranians to build nuclear powerplants. Our engineers need decades to build one, they managed to rebuild their entire nuclear infrastructure in a few months.
…What did we go in to accomplish, for that matter?
I'm not talking about distractions, that's fine to discuss, but as far as I'm aware, I've not heard any justification for why we went in and that we've reached any objectives.
The new guy elected is somehow even more of a hardliner and I've read he definitely wants nukes. So we got iran to commit to nukes probably. Plus, we saw how well America has adapted to drone warfare. So, yay? What's a couple dozen billion dollars to military industry friends, some combat experience, some dead americans, and destabilizing the world economy?
There is zero economic rationale for nukes, especially when you have sunny place and China as a friend. An easy offramp is to sell any nuclear material to highest bidder, with US invited to bid. Only justification of nuclear energy is scientist control and military purposes. True even in China with reasonable power prices.
The hard line reputation is more about Iran sovereignty absolutism. His father made a mistake to hope for US/Europe reasonableness/raprochement. IRGC resisted Chinese support, for more control over people. New leader doesn't mean any predictable outcome, but may be open to understanding previous mistakes.
My point was that nuclear energy is not economic from selling energy perspective. I agree that it was idiotic mistake for Iran to pretend to pursue economic/peaceful nuclear energy. Still, if it can sell enriched uranium at high profit, that is easy path to peace.
A really salient point. What is the purported reason for this war?
As a not-american im really, really sick of this shit. Im on the other side of the world, we have a stable democracy and elected a centre left government.
Yet, fuel prices have jumped, inflation to follow, and yesterday I learned that fuel shortages are a very real possibility.
Additionally theyre talking about deploying our troops to the region, which will probably include my nephew.
While i understand that not all americans are at fault, and some of you have even been doing your best, as a nation I... dislike you immensely.
Well that's pretty fucken reasonable since the US is almost by definition not a nation. It's a civic empire containing a multitude of nations, not too dissimilar to the Roman Empire.
This man has the attention span of an ADHD cocker spaniel. There's no way in hell he will continue caring about this for more than a couple of weeks.
He's trying to apply "Art of the Deal" logic to geopolitics. "Just a little bomb-bomb. Just a little pressure on the Muslim brown people. Then we'll stop and they'll give us what we want. That's how business works. I'm the greatest businessman I've ever known, some people say." People dying for generations to come is just part of the game for these pedophilic narcissist fucktards.
Well fuck. I was worried it was going to drag out for far too fucking long, but now that the orange turd has said it's over I'm absolutely certain it's going to drag out for far too fucking long.
Ok fine you’re the hero and I’ll bestow upon you the bestest war guy better than fifa award that I just made up now please stop attacking sovereign countries and release the entirety of the files
That is probably one of the reasons. But will Netanyahu let Trump just go home? I mean, for Netanyahu, Trump is just a convenient and cheap way to bomb his arch enemy to oblivion, while saving loads of money and spreading the international disdain.
TWO WEEKS. Every time I hear PEDOnald talk about "two weeks", I think of the joke from The Money Pit, where "two weeks" is a constant refrain. I wonder if PEDOnald has even seen that movie...
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MisterNeon@lemmy.world · 243 pts · 165d
Something... something... History rhymes. My country is so fucking stupid:
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 119 pts · 165d
No kidding, my entire life all I’ve seen is republican presidents take us into stupid ass wars.
Why does anybody believe any of these people when they say they want to keep us out of wars?
Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 164d
They've dragged the US government into 38 trillion dollars in dept dropping nearly a trillion dollars a year into the military industrial complex without an ability to pass an audit. Soon the largest expenditure in the US federal discretionary budget will be paying interest on on debts taken to feed that beast. But forgiving student loans and providing healthcare... we can't afford that.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 9 pts · 164d
Yea dude, the we can’t afford healthcare is an ubsolute lie.
They want to keep us dependent on working for healthcare because they want their slave population to stay quiet.
At some point if people want healthcare or anything else they are frankly entitled to people need to rise up and fight for it.
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · -24 pts · 165d
Did you believe Obama when he said he'd get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan and close Guantanamo Bay? My only sympathy lies is me believing the same shit.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 165d
Obama tried to follow the Constitution, and Republicans used every opportunity to disrupt, derail, and corrupt his good faith agenda and policy proposals. I remember distinctly
3abas@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 165d
And his drone strikes? Was he following the constitution in good faith?
How about his unconstitutional "intervention" in Libya to topple Gaddafi?
Liberals love wars, they just keep it quiet.
Downvote and run away, war loving liberal. As long as it's not Americans getting blown up, you don't give a fuck.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 164d
Bs, not more “both sides same”
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 164d
Man if liberals love war the conservative administration really loves war
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
Show me where the Constitution says anything about how to handle US citizens who become enemy combatants adhering to non-state organizations waging war against the US.
Obama tried to come up with an orderly procedure for making decisions in those cases, consistent with the Constitution and international treaties such as the Geneva Convention (which tallks about armed non-uniformed irregulars, but doesn't say much about them, and assumes the states they operate in have the capacity to deal with them as bandits, which is not always true).
And the idea that drones are somehow worse than any other method of blowing people to kingdom come is also irrational.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 162d
Who was it that toppled Gaddafi? From what I recall it was an angry mob of libyans.
Also Bush set the precedent for ordering drone strikes. Obama just did what Democrats do, and used the tool in a more effective manner.
It's one thing to inherit a bullshit war, and do your best to end\win it.
Starting a war with an enemy nation (Isreal), that has no actual objective or win scenario, and tanking the economy in the process to try and distract from all the children your raped is entirely different. It's also the Republican party platform.
Republicans are the guy that sucker punches someone, then when that person turns around and whoops their ass, Republicans will immediately claim that it wasn't fair, or that their victim 'cheated'. It's common bitch baby behavior, which is the only thing you can expect from right wing MAGAts
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · -9 pts · 165d
If a war is started unconstitutionaly, and if an unconstitutional government torture program is started, it can be closed and ended without a constitution. Don't use the "poor 'ole Democrat" excuse to accept wars and torture. Unless it was the Parliamentarian. Well that one rules above all.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 165d
You're doing the false equivalency fallacy by bringing Obama into this though. Sure Democrats and Republicans are both bad, but trying to say they are equally bad isn't true.
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · -9 pts · 165d
Obama started 5 wars in middle east, dropped more bombs than GWB. I constantly hear that Trump increased drone strikes like 430% his first year the first term. Obama increased them about 1000% compared to GWB. People complain about the Trump deportations. Yet Obama was the Deporter in Chief, and both Obama and Biden deported more immigrants than Trump. People complain about the immigrant detention centers under Trump, and as Trump asked Clinton wisely who built the cages the immigrant children were being put into, it was Obama. During Trumps first term, when he had a State of the Union, the one time Democrats stood up and cheered was when Trump introduced Juan Guaidó. When it comes to wars(especially regime change wars) and immigration, Republicans and Democrats very much agree, and the only way they wouldn't be equel, is if you consider that Obama deported more and dropped more bombs.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
Yeeeah Trump is still worse than Obama. And I don't think he's "wisely" asked a question in his life.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
Drones weren't a thing under GWB.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 163d
That like jumping out of a aeroplane then 3 seconds later deciding to quit jumping out of an aeroplane, war doesn't work like that, sometimes unfortunately you have to accept the past actions and continue down the path and hopefully change the outcome in a positive way, see the Donald trump pull out of Afghanistan, the Taliban are now literally armed with US weapons, equipment and full control over the country
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 1 pts · 163d
"Those are crimes of the past. We have to look to the future" and it was Biden that pulled out of Afghanistan. I do support that though. There was no good way to get out. It was a band aid that had to be ripped off.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 27 pts · 165d
You're right Obama is as bad as Trump so we should all vote Jill Stein than sniff our own farts like they don't stink anymore.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
LOL, so true. I often laugh about the "tea party" and how it's not really a thing, and then I'm immediately reminded of how the "Green Party" is not much more of a serious thing, either. Other than being seriously used to monkey-wrench this country and give more power to Republicans...
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -49 pts · 165d
We won't be sending in ground troops this time. So there can't possibly be a quagmire like we had in Iraq or Afghanistan. And Trump promised money to any ship that gets attacked in the Straight of Hormuz (which I'm more than confident that he's good for) so trade will pick back up again as soon as the smoke clears.
Honestly, I think he did a heck of a job and I'm excited to see what kind of incredible progress he can achieve for American foreign policy in Cuba next.
Sarothazrom@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 165d
Got bad news for you there.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 41 pts · 165d
If anyone is wondering, this is sarcasm.
tomi000@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 165d
The sad part is half of the US would say the same seriously so you cant really tell if its sarcasm for sure.
leagman1@feddit.org · 12 pts · 165d
Pretty obvious imo. I mean, how would a MAGA find their way intonthe fediverse. Literally impossible, hence satire.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 165d
It has happened, I've had at least a few trump-supporters/right-wingers yapping at me in comments saying stupid stuff
dhork@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 165d
lol
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 165d
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 165d
I guess the /s is useful when it looks too real ! 😉
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
Another Russian mobile phone.
GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip · 95 pts · 165d
So he has reached all his goals? Or did he forgett what he wanted to do? What is now with the eppstein files?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 55 pts · 165d
If his goal was to take a nation on the verge of revolution and cement the dictatorship for another generation, radicalizing thousands, then mission accomplished.
thorhop@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 165d
Just like Netenyahu planned.
zd9@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 165d
His goal is to foment Iranian terrorist cells to attack on US soil, thus giving the pretext this regime was looking for to institute martial law or cancel midterms all together.
Also his other goal was to do anything Israel wanted so they don't release all the kompromat of Trump raping children.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 163d
It doesn't need to be an Iranian terrorist attack. It just needs to look like one.
zd9@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 163d
True, but it would be much better if the Iranian regime just attacked themselves, then the American regime wouldn't have to pile on even more lies.
Straight outta Putin's playbook, with the Chechen terrorist attacks, that somehow used a very specific material that only Russian military would have access to and then the FSB confiscated all evidence and never investigated it again.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 13 pts · 165d
If you have no goals, it’s just the lols you make along the way!
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 163d
His attention span has been massively exceeded, so he'll declare victory and start another fire somewhere else.
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 67 pts · 165d
2 weeks till its done, just like healthcare, tax reform, all of his other plans etc.
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 23 pts · 165d
When everything is for show, you don’t even have to half-ass it. Some bombs were dropped, some folks died, he got to salute coffins for the camera after looking tough. Mission Accomplished, what’s next?
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 165d
He wouldn't want that as that means the media going back to the (pedo)files. Time to attack Cuba.
bagsy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
When you have an iq of 68, everything in your mind is simple.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 164d
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 165d
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 55 pts · 165d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 165d
I've always liked this one...
Janx@piefed.social · 45 pts · 165d
The... man who lies with every breath. People are trusting what he claims!?
theneverfox@pawb.social · 37 pts · 165d
He doesn't lie, he lives in a narcissistic delusion. With his brain melted, he's actually terrible at lying... Watch him talk about the Epstein files, he goes stiff like he forgets how to move his body
cutemarshmallow@europe.pub · 12 pts · 165d
Finally, someone said it. He's too honest for his own good. He doesn't lie; the people around him do. He just repeats what he's told and what he believes. He flipflops his opinions and plans every 2 seconds because that's how long it takes to convince him or a new idea. He doesn't have the mental capacity to lie.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 165d
Maybe not anymore, but he used to lie like it was going out of style. If his brain wasn't mush, he would be lying. Now he just repeats whatever the nearest person to him has said.
cutemarshmallow@europe.pub · 3 pts · 164d
That's true. I was more so talking about his current term. The cognitive decline is insane.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 164d
Yup, I honestly can't believe he hasn't been removed from office over it. This makes Reagon's Alzheimers diagnosis look mild in comparison.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 163d
The reality is that nobody can reliably assess what he believes or doesn't believe. Maybe he believes his own bullshit, maybe not. But it's still bullshit regardless, and his culpability is the same either way.
bagsy@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 165d
Gets drunk, smacks a hornets nest with a stick, declares victory.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 165d
Right, but he just goes inside and the hornets buzz around impotently, then he is hung over the next morning and pisses on the knocked down hornets nest and goes about his day never giving another thought about it.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 165d
Those hornets are so fucking triggered lol
fizzle@quokk.au · 43 pts · 165d
Someone has had a whinge to him about share prices.
Things are just getting started. He destabilised the region, and Iran doesn't have any reason to discipline tinge aggression now.
They can destroy a passing ship every few weeks with a $20k drone while the US spends 100s of millions a day just to be present.
Bristlecone@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 165d
Nah man, Putin is Trump's hero. Watch us take some territory and refuse to give it up through multiple cease fires. Not only did he not stop the war in Ukraine, he turned America into fucking russia. Fucking dumb timeline
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 165d
Well they said the same about the Houthis
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
Iran's got a couple of orders of magnitude more materiel, wealth and population than the Houthis.
shane@feddit.nl · 39 pts · 165d
"We have a plan that I think is going to be fantastic. It’s going to be released fairly soon."
- Trump discussing his health care plan in 2017
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 165d
I don't talk to my friends this casually.
If I said "very complete, pretty much" I'm pretty sure they'd bring me to the hospital for a stroke.
Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 165d
Im sure that happened long ago they just haven't told anyone.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 165d
Mission Accomplished
jve@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
dhork@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 165d
He's gonna nuke them, isn't he?
Town@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 165d
Why wouldn't he? Might makes right in his mind, and he is happy to use the unbridled power to reshape the world.
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 165d
Someone needs to start the rumor on "Truth" that nukes will make the oil and the gasoline processed from it radioactive and kill Americans at the pump!
He believed "..they are eating the dogs and the cats!.."
marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 165d
The problem with that is it has to be something that aligns with and reinforces his world view.
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 165d
Hmmmm. Will have to suss out the angle for that then.
Archer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 165d
Racism, somehow
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
That might not even be untrue, the US government poisoned natural gas reserves with nukes before, why not again!
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 165d
!!!
I shall look this one up!
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
What he says is documented. What he actually believes: that's speculation.
nuko147@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 165d
Did oil price go so bad?
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 165d
you can start a war on your own, but pretty sure both sides have to agree to end a war.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 165d
I guess one of the advantages of having literally zero plans other then "kill the current bad guy" is that you can just stop whenever you want and declare victory.
Oyml77@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 165d
Mission Accomplished!
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
Wait a second...I feel like I've heard that phrase somewhere.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 164d
The Ayatollah's son who just took over is known for being even more of a hardliner (good luck Iranian protesters) AND the US and Israel just killed his both of his parents and his wife. So yeah definitely much victory, much win.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
The plan is a failed state
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 163d
There is no plan.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 165d
He's like a fucking chihuahua that barks at a random passerby on the street and then celebrates his "victory of making them leave" when that person simply doesn't give a shit and keeps walking.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 165d
Never mind about that, he changed his mind again.
The enemy cannot anticipate your actions if you have no plan! No doubt Sun Tzu would have said something like that if he were American.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 165d
I'm always amazed to see the number of people go "oh no, he said one thing and now he says the other thing! Can you believe this? Wait till he says another thing and then when you're smart maybe it's not the thing if you wait a few days! That crazy president! Let's subscribe to his twitter so we can be smart"
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 165d
"We've murdered enough people to distract you from the Epstein files for a few months."
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 164d
With their nuclear capability ‘completely obliterated’ for the second time this year, Iran is now three weeks away from a bomb. Whew, world saved /s.
On the other hand, we can start talking about Trump-Epstein again - especially since the dow is well under 50k.
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 164d
If this is true, I think we should hire Iranians to build nuclear powerplants. Our engineers need decades to build one, they managed to rebuild their entire nuclear infrastructure in a few months.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 164d
You know, this reminds me I need to set some kind of Epstein Alarm.
Every time the DOW fluctuates I should remember to read another document from the 2-percent of the files released so far.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 165d
daychilde@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 165d
So what did we accomplish?
…What did we go in to accomplish, for that matter?
I'm not talking about distractions, that's fine to discuss, but as far as I'm aware, I've not heard any justification for why we went in and that we've reached any objectives.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf · 14 pts · 165d
The new guy elected is somehow even more of a hardliner and I've read he definitely wants nukes. So we got iran to commit to nukes probably. Plus, we saw how well America has adapted to drone warfare. So, yay? What's a couple dozen billion dollars to military industry friends, some combat experience, some dead americans, and destabilizing the world economy?
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
I mean, they did just kill his dad.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 165d
There is zero economic rationale for nukes, especially when you have sunny place and China as a friend. An easy offramp is to sell any nuclear material to highest bidder, with US invited to bid. Only justification of nuclear energy is scientist control and military purposes. True even in China with reasonable power prices.
The hard line reputation is more about Iran sovereignty absolutism. His father made a mistake to hope for US/Europe reasonableness/raprochement. IRGC resisted Chinese support, for more control over people. New leader doesn't mean any predictable outcome, but may be open to understanding previous mistakes.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 165d
Economic, no, but you'd have to be out of your mind to not see the security rationale for obtaining nuclear weapons if you were Iran.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 165d
My point was that nuclear energy is not economic from selling energy perspective. I agree that it was idiotic mistake for Iran to pretend to pursue economic/peaceful nuclear energy. Still, if it can sell enriched uranium at high profit, that is easy path to peace.
fizzle@quokk.au · 9 pts · 165d
A really salient point. What is the purported reason for this war?
As a not-american im really, really sick of this shit. Im on the other side of the world, we have a stable democracy and elected a centre left government.
Yet, fuel prices have jumped, inflation to follow, and yesterday I learned that fuel shortages are a very real possibility.
Additionally theyre talking about deploying our troops to the region, which will probably include my nephew.
While i understand that not all americans are at fault, and some of you have even been doing your best, as a nation I... dislike you immensely.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 165d
As a nation, I dislike us immensely as well. :|
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 165d
Well that's pretty fucken reasonable since the US is almost by definition not a nation. It's a civic empire containing a multitude of nations, not too dissimilar to the Roman Empire.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 165d
Ditto from Canada
AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
Why, Iran was mere seconds away from having a nuclear bomb!
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 165d
PERFECT, now onto the Epstein files and punishments
lemmyng@piefed.ca · 14 pts · 165d
So now it's a war after all?
laranis@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 164d
This man has the attention span of an ADHD cocker spaniel. There's no way in hell he will continue caring about this for more than a couple of weeks.
He's trying to apply "Art of the Deal" logic to geopolitics. "Just a little bomb-bomb. Just a little pressure on the Muslim brown people. Then we'll stop and they'll give us what we want. That's how business works. I'm the greatest businessman I've ever known, some people say." People dying for generations to come is just part of the game for these pedophilic narcissist fucktards.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 163d
And he didn't write the book and has probably never read it.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 165d
Well fuck. I was worried it was going to drag out for far too fucking long, but now that the orange turd has said it's over I'm absolutely certain it's going to drag out for far too fucking long.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 164d
Ahahahaha no it-the fuck- is not.
Cellari@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
Was it never truly over, or was there just a long period of a ceasefire? :D
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 165d
Ok fine you’re the hero and I’ll bestow upon you the bestest war guy better than fifa award that I just made up now please stop attacking sovereign countries and release the entirety of the files
HubertManne@piefed.social · 10 pts · 164d
oh. same as last week then.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 164d
The real war on Iran was the enemies we made along the way
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 165d
War on/off is the same grift as tariffs on/off. His buddies know the status before anyone else and get richer on markets.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 164d
As the US navy runs from the Straight of Hormuz.
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 164d
You're saying the US Navy is coming out of the closet?
87Six@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 164d
From the Straight of Hormuz to the Gay Bay
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 164d
So he does actually have war goals, and is about to achieve them? Might people hear what those goals actually were?
vane@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 164d
it was oil forex scam, war pretty much ended yesterday
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 164d
That is probably one of the reasons. But will Netanyahu let Trump just go home? I mean, for Netanyahu, Trump is just a convenient and cheap way to bomb his arch enemy to oblivion, while saving loads of money and spreading the international disdain.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 164d
Its not your decision.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 165d
"Mostly...pretty much, I mean...like... half way...Sigh it's going to be a few more years"
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
TWO WEEKS. Every time I hear PEDOnald talk about "two weeks", I think of the joke from The Money Pit, where "two weeks" is a constant refrain. I wonder if PEDOnald has even seen that movie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLcjUmBncZ8
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
I was born in the 90s and for better and worse had open internet. I'm no fool. I'm just tired.
Also Money Pit deserves rewatch.
sveltecider@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 165d
Honestly I wouldnt even be surprised at this point
AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
"It's polling horribly and they're still talking about Epstein"
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
The cholesterol in trump declares war on his arteries nearly over…🤞🏽
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 165d
I wish the cholesterol would win..
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
Have faith fam it’s all we got.
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 164d
I do my friend. I do.
thefluffiest@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 165d
TACO
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 165d
T Always Craps Out
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
I think a major part of the goal for starting a fight over Iran is to provide funding for DHS since there's a budget fight over it.
Naevermix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 163d
Stuck in Iran, and you're to blame, you give special military operations a bad name.
AmazingSUPERG@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 165d
Now that this war is gonna wrap up according to Trump he can just go next door and fix Afghanistan and Pakistan. Afterall he is in the area. /s
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
Concept of a plan of an exit strategy.