The most eye-stealing highlight is the Flash Charging technology, which works in conjunction with the latest Blade Battery 2.0.
– Charging from 10% to 70% takes only 5 minutes.
– To charge to 97%, it only takes 9 minutes.
– Even in temperatures as low as -30°C, it can still be fast-charged in 12 minutes.
95 Comments
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 79 pts · 102d
Love how they translate the price to USD when sadly there’s no way in hell well ever see this car in the US.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 102d
I'm wondering if I can ship one over?
CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 102d
I believe you can import them, but it is a 100% tariff. So your $22k car becomes $44k plus delivery charges and local registration fees/taxes. So very quickly becomes not worth it. Which is why the tariff exists.
There is also the matter of which charging standard is needed. The US of course not using the same standard as the rest of the world.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 4 pts · 101d
Is it not worth it? Are there EVs in the US that are sub $44k?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 101d
Chevy Bolt, $28K, Nissan leaf$32K, Hyundai kona, $34K, Subaru Uncharted, $36K, Toyota BZ $36K, Ioniq 5, $38K,
...Chevy Equinox, Toyota CH-R, Tesla model 3, Ford Mustang Mach-E, Kia EV6, all below $40K.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 101d
I love my Leaf. Best car I've ever owned.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 102d
I was going to buy one of the new rivians for about 45k, not sure if they released prices yet. My husband has one of the more expensive Rivians and they're really cool. That being said, byd is cool too and even with import fees it looks doable. Gotta think about it.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 100d
JFC...a Rivian costs 140k in Canada
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 100d
Yeah it was an investment for sure.
FleetingTit@feddit.org · 2 pts · 96d
Cars are a bad investment, even if it saves you a bit of money on gas. Depreciation will hit that Rivian like Tesla FSD hits a brick wall.
sheogorath@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 101d
People also forget that there’s this pesky thing called safety standards and getting certified can make the car cost more when it’s officially released. Don’t forget that in China there’s 599 other electric car manufacturer so it’s race to the bottom in terms of pricing.
Hmm, come to think of it this means that cars should be much cheaper than it is and this makes me sad.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 101d
What, you even have imperial chargers?
Dartanius@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 101d
Take a vacation to Mexico, buy one there, and drive it back. Perfectly legal and you will still come out ahead and get a vacation thrown in
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 101d
if the car has passed US testing, and you pay the tariffs. You cannot just import a new car.
AliasAKA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 101d
It’s not a new car if you’re driving it over the border. Then it’s a used car. Volvo does something similar by offsetting someone visiting Sweden and driving the car round a bit before flying back and having their car delivered.
The bigger issue is, you need to have the right to buy a car in Mexico (legally a resident, usually), and have the ability to wire transfer in full (you’re not getting a loan). Then you pay a 2.5% duty when you bring it in.
Edit: Canada is probably the better place to try this gray importing scheme as their cars actually meet required US standards.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 101d
There's an idea! Thanks
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 101d
Then it will cost >$50k and you have a car no one can fix.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 101d
You forgot what ever extra tax the orange dumb shit adds
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 102d
Also no mention of crash test ratings. Which is likely the real reason we won’t see it here, and even if we did it would never be for that price because that price is subsidized by the Chinese government.
Edit: Why do so many people think pointing out that some Chinese EVs have been through crash test ratings refute that this article doesn’t mention them?
Also, please note that all the ones that have good ratings aren’t being sold for $22k.
zabadoh@ani.social · 27 pts · 102d
Hmm, good question, and a quick google later:
Chinese EVs may not have to pass USDOT crash tests, but they do have to pass Euro NCAP crash tests, and Chinese NCAP crash tests, which are similar.
And a lot of them did quite well in that regards.
And and they also have to pass however Canada does crash tests as well.
dgriffith@aussie.zone · 25 pts · 102d
BYD vehicles all rate 5 stars in the Australian ANCAP ratings as well.
The "Chinese vehicles aren't safe" thing is just fear mongering these days or, more generously, a misapplication of their micro vehicle standards for low speed urban use to ordinary passenger vehicles.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 101d
Those smaller vehicles are definitely safer than pickup trucks, which are loopholed for safety standards.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 102d
This article is counting Tesla and Polestar as Chinese EVs…
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 102d
Polestars basically are. They are owned by Geely and some are built in China
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 102d
Still seems disingenuous in the context of the article linked. Like those “assembled in USA” stickers. Technically correct but also misleading and mostly missing the point.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 102d
A lot of iPhones are made in China too. Do you consider them Chinese?
percent@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 102d
Isn't Geely a Chinese company though?
Buelldozer@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 102d
Yep, the article is purposely conflating "Chinese" with "Made in China".
trk@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 101d
22k USD is around 31k AUD
The BYD Atto 1 sells for 24k AUD + on roads, so less than that figure.
It got a 5 star ANCAP rating.
Just saying.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 101d
I did a quick search and cannot find any of those for that price. Source please.
trk@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 101d
Base model is 26.5k AUD drive away, Premium is 30.5k AUD drive away, so both slip in under the 31k AUD / 22k USD price point.
https://bydautomotive.com.au/atto-1
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 102d
To be fair China has their equivalent of the NHTSA with more or less comparable tests. US crash tests are particularly bad and still assume a sedan when everyone drives SUVs/light trucks now. Even mini vans in China are smaller than the majority of American SUVs.
The government subsidy is the bigger reason for why the West generally blocks or heavily tariffs the import of Chinese cars. It's just not fair competition (though there's also an argument of it being a good thing for us to let them subsidize our imports of lithium)
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 101d
Ontario built cars and trucks are subsidized by the Canadian and Ontario governments, why aren't they $22K?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 101d
What? What does this have to do with anything?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 101d
All great and I'd love it BUT
Will it track the shit out of me?
And before anyone goes "But Murrica!", I don't give a shit. I don't care who wants to spy on me, the USA, China, Russia, fuck all those dictator governments, I want NOBODY spying on me.
I want MY car, if I really need one, to be MY car, and nobody else's.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 101d
They have Android Auto and Apple's car thing, so yeah.
I think that if the cars themselves had hidden malicious spy shit, other manufacturers would be paying some very concerned journalists to keep pointing it out.
jmill@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 100d
They don't point it out because they all do it. Mozilla did a study, reviewed 25 major car brands, said it couldn't recommend any of them for data privacy.
https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 100d
I assume OP meant undisclosed spying. Everything else would be up to local legislation, and that's probably not great anywhere tbh
I can't find their actual terms and conditions, but BYD's privacy-washing page says they're compliant to the GDPR and the EU Guidelines on Personal Data Protection in Connected Vehicles, whatever good that does
jmill@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 100d
Well, it's technically disclosed in fine print I'm sure, but hardly anybody is aware of the level of snooping their car is actually doing. There is no need or room for undisclosed spying, it is already spying on pretty much everything you do inside it or on phones connected to it, in the US anyway. I don't know how much better protections are in the EU either.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 101d
Why give the price in USD when the people who need them most in the US will not be able to buy them?
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 101d
To specifically spur ground-up pressure on the US government to try to allow BYD and other manufacturers direct access to the US market, since there are effectively no EV manufacturers in the US except Tesla.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 101d
My Bolt EUV was made here. (I'm pretty sure, anyway.) That said, it was more expensive than $22,000 and is almost certainly not as good.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 100d
Probably all made locally. I was surprised the LG batteries were made in Michigan.
I have a soft spot for the Bolt. It has a great name and it helped (PH)EVs gain traction. But, yeah, you can get better cars.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 100d
My spot for it is downright squishy, I love the thing for various reasons in its context. I'm sure we could do better, though.
invertedspear@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 101d
It’s a 68kWh pack. The 5 min metric is 60% of that. So 41kWh. To do that in 5 min would require 490kW chargers. This is pretty much only available from the latest Tesla super chargers. So while it’s great that the car can support that, articles about it should include the fact that there is very limited support in charging networks for it.
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 101d
All 3 metrics are important to evaluate together:
All 3 matter. #1 is an engineering flex and helps avoid bottlenecks into #2, which you correctly describe as being an important metric, and affects just how far you can expect to drive off of that charge. And #3 translates into actual user experience, which is also really important. None of the three metrics can be assumed by simple multiplication of the others, because none of it goes at constant rates in all contexts.
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 102d
I'd really love to see how one of these does here in Northern Canada. There are almost no electric vehicles here because of the performance of batteries in the long, cold winter.
bonenode@piefed.social · 31 pts · 102d
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 102d
No, big difference. In Northern Norway, average temp in January is -4C, in Northern Canada it’s -40C.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 102d
That sounds awful to deal with. Sometimes I wonder why people live in such conditions but I guess that's just humanity for you.
Also cool fact -40C is -40F
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 101d
Chargers don't even work at -40C.
There are good reasons why most of Canada lives near the US border and in regions below US states.
___@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 102d
One question: how long is the typical vehicle trip in northern Canadian settlements? I know a lot of northern cities lack road connections to other places, so the range being impacted may not have a huge impact if trips are measured in single or double digits of km increase of triple digits.
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 101d
Well to get from the western interior coast(Bella Coola) from the closest main city in the interior(Williams Lake) is about 500 km. Even then there is five charging stations on the way and there are some solar farms going in on the Chilcotin plateau so the small communities in the area have power without needing to run major lines to power them.
To get from the north coast (Prince Rupert) to the north interior(Smithers) there looks to be around 7 stations along the way and stations all the way along north towards the Yukon. Now you might not be able to get too far away from the main highway but there is little reason to go too far away from the main highway multiple times. If you have a destination off the highway just make sure you charge at the closest station and have enough change to get back or the ability to charge where you are parking like a b&b.
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 102d
Most northern communities have a concentration of people and then it's a long way to go to get to the next community. So, there's a bunch of short drives and the occasional long drive.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 102d
That's awesome!
I'd love to have one that's a small form truck or mini-van with a flat front for maximum visibility and minimum footprint.
To be perfect: Absolutely no touch screens allowed, no internet, no satellite, honestly I'm good without Bluetooth. Make it feel like a 90s vehicle, but electric.
I missed it in the article, does it say how well it holds its charge compared to non-fast-charged ones? That tends to be the limiting factor in many things, as it's much harder on the battery. I doubt they'd be pushing it if it wasn't an improvement though
Buelldozer@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 102d
You want a Slate.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 101d
The truck everyone says they want, but no one will buy.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 101d
It's not out yet, how can they? I don't even like trucks and I am considering buying one when they become available.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 102d
Connectivity is a legal requirement iirc.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 1 pts · 101d
Big Brother must be allowed to watch.
xav@programming.dev · 1 pts · 101d
I'm OK with only Android Auto and Carplay.
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 9 pts · 102d
Does it use proprietary charging infrastructure?
lauha@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 102d
Probably not but good luck finding a 600 kW charger to support that speed
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 30 pts · 102d
88 mph and a clocktower during a thunderstorm?
kinkles@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 102d
Yeah, good luck knowing precisely when lightning will strike the tower.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 8 pts · 102d
I think I got an idea about how to make it work, but I knocked my head on the bathroom and forgot how.
regedit@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 101d
It was from all the pee from the first seizure you had. See a doctor!!!
hakase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 102d
Jumpin' jigawatts!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 101d
...and one that isn't busted.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 102d
Looks great, I'll take it.
RejZoR@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 102d
For 22k €I can maybe only get some tiny subcompact hatchback...
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 101d
And it won't be that price once it reaches the European dealerships you can be sure of that.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 4 pts · 101d
Yeah.... My usual experience is to connect to 150kW changer and get half of that. Better battery will not magically fix shitty infrastructure.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 101d
I'm probably going to end up getting the dolphin soon but it is hard for me to justify selling or taking off my 2017 petrol rav4. I know a few people that purchased BYDs and they're happy with them performance and cost wise. The government capped gas here for another 24 months so although higher than US prices, it won't get worse and I don't drive much. I have solar though and I'd love to use the excess that I currently "waste" to charge my car
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 101d
I have a dolphin essential
The cheapest option
It's a brilliant little car! I have solar panels, so I charge it during the day basically for free most of the time
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
I'll wait until Toyota copies this technology.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 101d
They know we don't have the infrastructure to support it. That's why they're sticking to hybrid/plug in hybrid.
I recently bought a new Toyota and signed up for all their post purchase marketing (to complain!).
A lot of the questions revolve around excess electrical energy and how you'd want that to interact with your vehicle. With an emphasis on creative ways to use the battery for extravehicular activities.
I don't see much of a future where any regulated market sticks around and Republicans have been irritated by various bills to regulate ISPs.
Whole house generators are big business where I am.
It sort of makes sense on a communism vs american ideological map.
Electric hovervilles (trump towns, I guess) sound cool though.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 101d
Do you mean the power grid can't support it? Or rather we dont' have enough chargers?
Because if a car can get charged to full in less than 10 minutes, it wouldn't cost much to install such chargers at your corner gas station.
regedit@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 101d
And charges way more!?!?
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 101d
I'd rather spend more for a brand I know will not only last many years, but also won't explode or fold up like a card table if I get in an accident.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 102d
Great technology, but built by
slaveforced labour.https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/brazil-labour-authorities-suspend-byd-factory-construction-after-finding-labour-violations-among-chinese-jinjiang-construction-workers-incl-co-comments/
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 101d
Now do iPhones built in factories with suicide nets.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 101d
Yes, absolutely also that. One does not excuse the other.
lauha@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 102d
Not slaves. Perhaps serfs?
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -5 pts · 102d
I'd like to read some sources on current day China using slave labor to build these cars, otherwise you sound like another racist.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 102d
Brazil sues China carmaker BYD over 'slave-like' conditions
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3v5n7w55kpo
But I was looking for Hungary.
EV giant BYD accused of forced labour violations at European factory
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 7 pts · 102d
I appreciate your links to help me be more informed! Thank you!
JL4575@piefed.social · 9 pts · 102d
China does use slave labor in cotton and aluminum production. BYD uses that aluminum, as well as other western brands.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/01/china-carmakers-implicated-uyghur-forced-labor
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/01/un-experts-alarmed-reports-forced-labour-uyghur-tibetan-and-other-minorities
Town@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 102d
BMW, Jaguar Land Rover, and Volkswagen, Ford, General Motors, and Tesla use steel and aluminum from China that is made with forced labor. This is a problem for The US car industry because Canada has laws against using it.
leomoonside@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 102d
😂😂
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 102d
Updated with a source.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -12 pts · 102d
Oh look, another simp that doesn't understand every capitalist country uses propaganda and slave labour, not just the ones you personally don't like.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 8 pts · 102d
If you read my post history, you would see that I am not what you are accusing me of.
The internet is full of uneducated, low-class, dogshit takes such as yours, and I hope to never be as ignorant as an idiot like you.
jlow@slrpnk.net · -5 pts · 102d
Why do even all these evs always have to look like you have to compensate for a tiny ego with them , I don't get it ...
percent@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 102d
What does it mean to "compensate for a tiny ego?" Do non-EV-drivers have huge egos?
adavis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 102d
BYD have many models. The Dolphin is a small hatch, the Seal a mid size sedan.