I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.
There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
And also - most critically. When introducting a predator to hunt a specific populous prey, ensure that one of them isn't diurnal while the other is nocturnal.
Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don't think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.
Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.
Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!
It does, and it draws so many bumblebees. I skipped trimming ours for one season and in the fall I noticed it poking out the top of the 2nd story chimney, it had grown under the siding, ~40 feet (12.2m) in one spring/summer.
My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they'll choke out my ac unit within months.
If you dig down about 2 foot (or several inches lower than the lowest root you find) and install a rubber barrier that goes from the bottom of the trench to up above the soil, it wont be able to spread to you anymore :)
You could use brick, stone, or cement, but if any cracks exist or form it’ll eventually find the way through, where that’s significantly less likely with a solid sheet of rubber.
And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it
It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
Still doesn't make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don't understand the hostility, infact it fits the "erm actually" meme so well I suspect trolling.
I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
The fucks planting data centres don't give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They'll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.
Well that assumes they get away with it, and the irrefutable doomsday gospel seems to be that corps will bulldoze the world no matter what, even if it's illegal, therefore the endangered species tactic flat out won't work, because nothing will work, because they're invincible. But if that's the case I don't know why we're even starting these conversations.
Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
For everyone who wants to know why it's endangered (like i did): Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan
I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.
Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to "affordable housing" requirements. That's it. It's kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.
Its not always bad. In areas that are already urban that scheme can be combined with fewer parking places near public transit and result in a larger overall supply of housing. And mixing poor families into nicer neighborhoods rather than clumping them together into a Housing Project can mean they're not in a food desert and have better-funded local schools and a better-maintained building, maybe be closer to where they work. As well as increasing neighborhood diversity and interaction in general. It's not helpful to profoundly destitute folks who need lots of services but it can help people who just need a home they can afford.
No, I'm saying that real estate developers are overcoming the NIMBYs by instilling themselves into their local politics, and then calling for "future forward" mix-use development, obstensibly thinking about the "changing demographics" of the local area, wanting to build GIANT developments that mix high-end condos, affordable housing, and senior care (both assisted and independent) into the same space. This enables them to essentially control the housing market, and then buy up all of the nearest single family dwellings and repeat.
This is to say nothing about the massive developments going up all over our farmland outside of city centers, as gentrifiers are now bored/sick/scared of the city and seek to once again suburbanize.
More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.
I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.
One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, "hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one."
The boss sighs and is like, "let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he's not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they're building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won't matter."
I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.
That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.
I am an environmental consultant, too. You're correct that they often re-route or change their designs based on habitat, though this isn't always the case. They can determine if the impact is major, or if it can be reversed or off-set. An example would be a mine that goes through woodland caribou habitat. They'll still mine the fuck out of it, but then they'll be required to reclaim it back to what it was. The rub is that people think reclamation is a fast or sure thing, but it's neither. Some ecosystems, like those that support caribou are really hard to re-establish, but operators can get on with a commitment to restore, and a couple of contingencies in case the reclamation doesn't work.
@terranoid@lemmy.cafe yes, this is a thing in consulting, but often with the smaller, more cowboy firms. Bigger firms can push back a bit, and say 'hey, look. we really don't recommend this, here's the risks' or flat refuse service if they can take the hit.
@owsei@programming.dev yes, generally, consultants are hired to do things like rare plant surveys or wildlife sweeps. It's not the EPA or other regulators doing this and the operators don't have the capacity or expertise to do it themselves usually.
What makes their story unbelievable is that they said “one day they find endangered shit”. Environmental companies find endangered species every time they leave the office. It’s not an unusual occurrence. I’m not sure if my wife has had a project without at least one reroute in the past decade much less her whole career.
There's probably some grossly underfunded and under staffed auditing organization that has no teeth but makes everyone who's not really paying attention feel better.
It tastes a little like a honeysuckle smells, but lighter and not cloying. It's a very floral taste, sweet, complex, fairly unique. You can get elderflower syrups or liqueur, or sometimes fancy sodas, and it's a very distinctive and unmistakable taste. One of my favorites.
That’s a hard question. It’s floral, which feels like “duh.” It has a fairly mild fragrance. Here it is almost always paired with lemon as well, so you end up with a kind of tangy, floral lemonade kind of thing.
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
It does not take hours to change a law, but it is very quick to ignore a law and mow down a field.
Now, whether the law will prevent them from doing that is a different thing.
Someone would have to notice that they're going to build in a protected area, notify the police and contact them officially to notify the error.
At this point they may still ignore that, then you'd likely have to start a trial. If you're lucky and you start the trial before they mow down the field, they'll likely agree they made a mistake, pay for your lawyer and move to the field besides.
There's no need to change a law to fix something as simple as paying a couple lawyers.
I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.
This is actually more likely to end with you in legal trouble yourself rather than stopping construction. Artificial planting is fairly easy to detect as it doesn't follow natural population distribution, and won't fall under the protection laws. If they can prove who did it, they can be charged with fraud
also unless it natively found in the area you are planting, it wont stop the construction once they realize this species is not native to the county, or state. there is such thing as locally native, vs native to the state. just like agave is native to the us, but not native to california, where it is planted everywhere.
i mean republicans are protesting from thier small towns, and some blue states are partially trying to stop it. because these politicians likely see thier re-election chances become slim if they keep going forward with it. some states that is. the only ones that dont care already arnt up for re-election(Mills, whitmer). it works ina blue state , gop states are unlikely to care about it, since they are likely tobow by trump.
I don't live in the banana republic.
You want arson? Today is the second day of protests where I live against budget cuts for education.
These are only the teachers, the most docile group of the population.
Europeans know how to fight for their rights.
So yes, I will continue to ridicule the pathetic non-attempts of your subservient, embarrassingly weak population of sheep.
Hmm, if that's what's in the picture we might have had a bunch of those things around the house when I was growing up and I might be a federal criminal...
Top tweet (or whatever it is, IDFK): Good global idea.
Second tweet: "OnLy ThE uS eXiStS"
It would have been so easy to word it different to make even a hint at being aware of the rest of the world, but we know that would never have happened. Because 'Murica brained.
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Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 334 pts · 75d
Neat idea... but I don't think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.
danekrae@lemmy.world · 193 pts · 75d
It's a good way of getting the protection removed...
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 61 pts · 75d
Exactly this.
scutiger@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 75d
They'd likely just rubber stamp an exemption and let them do what they want.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 74d
If not outright kill the entire Endangered Species Act.
lonefighter@sh.itjust.works · 66 pts · 75d
I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 75d
Under the shadow docket, probably.
evidences@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d
Don't worry I'm sure they'll pay a 40 dollar fine for illegally destroying a habitat or something.
Rothe@piefed.social · 7 pts · 75d
Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 165 pts · 75d
RIP to the Endangered Species Act
No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.
But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 75d
Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 75d
Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 75d
Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.
There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 75d
Seems like we should add kudzu bugs and giant pandas to North America, and all will be well 😄
Shayeta@feddit.org · 2 pts · 73d
And also - most critically. When introducting a predator to hunt a specific populous prey, ensure that one of them isn't diurnal while the other is nocturnal.
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 73d
Oof, yes!
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 75d
The bamboo is for the ruling class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_torture
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
We're doing this to save the ecosystem from the data centers, silly! Let's goooo!
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 75d
In order to save the ecosystem, you must be willing to kill the ecosystem!
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 75d
Should add sunchokes/Jerusalem artichoke in there somewhere, as they are food. I don't think kudzu is? Lets replace that one.
Sunchokes spread like crazy as long as they have full sun, and are super difficult to eradicate, but are thwarted by being planted in sunny clearings in densely wooded areas. They can’t spread into the shade.
Make the land difficult for development, but useful for the community!
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 75d
Oh no! Here comes Wisteria with the metal chain from the top rope!
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
But it looks so pretty!
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 75d
It does, and it draws so many bumblebees. I skipped trimming ours for one season and in the fall I noticed it poking out the top of the 2nd story chimney, it had grown under the siding, ~40 feet (12.2m) in one spring/summer.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 72d
Some can smell so lovely, too!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 75d
Horseradish.
voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 75d
My asshole of a neighbor planted a line of bamboo right on our fence line, so now once a week I have to go to my side yard and dig up roots or they'll choke out my ac unit within months.
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 75d
If you dig down about 2 foot (or several inches lower than the lowest root you find) and install a rubber barrier that goes from the bottom of the trench to up above the soil, it wont be able to spread to you anymore :)
You could use brick, stone, or cement, but if any cracks exist or form it’ll eventually find the way through, where that’s significantly less likely with a solid sheet of rubber.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 75d
that bamboo is gonna be a clintcher
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 75d
Maybe, but kudzu is no joke, either. Ask the entire eastern coast of the U.S.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 75d
When I was in Alabama, my whole life felt like it revolved around 1 rule:
"Don't turn your back on the Kudzu."
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 67 pts · 75d
And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it
It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 75d
Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.
Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)
LotrOrc@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 75d
They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 75d
They’re literally shooting people in the head in the street. If someone chained themselves to a tree to stop construction they’d just saw the person in half. Hasn’t been a single consequence yet
Ledivin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
Ah, well in that case we should all just give up. Stop trying, people! It's already over!
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 75d
Oh you misunderstand, I’m saying shoot first
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 75d
Still doesn't make him wrong. They will ignore it and receive little to no consequence. I also don't understand the hostility, infact it fits the "erm actually" meme so well I suspect trolling.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 75d
Not sure what you mean by trolling but the hostility is toward the false expertise.
Zink@programming.dev · 9 pts · 75d
I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.
If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.
The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 75d
I guess the important thing is to treat hypothetical outcomes as certainties and base debates on them.
Darkonion@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
That's my favourite statement of the day. I'm lucky I'd put my drink down or there'd be a mess everywhere.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 74d
Nobody's missing how easy these are to plant.
The fucks planting data centres don't give a fuck though. The guy in the white house does not give a fuck. They'll bulldoze you and these plants for a nickel.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 74d
Well that assumes they get away with it, and the irrefutable doomsday gospel seems to be that corps will bulldoze the world no matter what, even if it's illegal, therefore the endangered species tactic flat out won't work, because nothing will work, because they're invincible. But if that's the case I don't know why we're even starting these conversations.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 75d
This is the unfortunate reality
hansolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 75d
No shit. This post is instructions on how to get an Executive Order named after you.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 44 pts · 75d
Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.
I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.
Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.
That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 75d
Just plant some American chestnut. Ignore why such a wide ranged tree is endangered
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 14 pts · 75d
For everyone who wants to know why it's endangered (like i did): Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan
Skuldug@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 70d
So the proper name for the blue elderberry is Sambucus cerulea? Asking for a friend, who wants to be sure they get the right type of seeds.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 70d
Yes, that's correct.
fizzle@quokk.au · 0 pts · 70d
Besides which, of you could just propagate and pla t this stuff wherever, it wouldnt be rare and protected.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 75d
Lmao they don't even care about humans. You think they'd care about beetles and berries??
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 75d
Yeah I'm sure the guys on the ground would "accidentally" start the diggers before they were "aware" of the Beatles and berries.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 33 pts · 74d
Do this under the current administration and you'll lose the endangered species act
bampop@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 74d
They'll be getting rid of that on general principles. But you might lose it a couple of weeks earlier
regdog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 73d
That kind of negative thinking will get you nowhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticipatory_obedience
This kind of mind set will only aid the oppressor.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 75d
Watch them care, they'll just bulldoze right over these
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 21 pts · 74d
I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 75d
Then apartment owners will use this to plant them in areas where people are trying to build affordable housing.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 75d
Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to "affordable housing" requirements. That's it. It's kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 75d
Its not always bad. In areas that are already urban that scheme can be combined with fewer parking places near public transit and result in a larger overall supply of housing. And mixing poor families into nicer neighborhoods rather than clumping them together into a Housing Project can mean they're not in a food desert and have better-funded local schools and a better-maintained building, maybe be closer to where they work. As well as increasing neighborhood diversity and interaction in general. It's not helpful to profoundly destitute folks who need lots of services but it can help people who just need a home they can afford.
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 75d
I don't think I understand, are you saying real estate developers are NIMBY, as well?
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 75d
No, I'm saying that real estate developers are overcoming the NIMBYs by instilling themselves into their local politics, and then calling for "future forward" mix-use development, obstensibly thinking about the "changing demographics" of the local area, wanting to build GIANT developments that mix high-end condos, affordable housing, and senior care (both assisted and independent) into the same space. This enables them to essentially control the housing market, and then buy up all of the nearest single family dwellings and repeat.
This is to say nothing about the massive developments going up all over our farmland outside of city centers, as gentrifiers are now bored/sick/scared of the city and seek to once again suburbanize.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 75d
Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 75d
More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 27 pts · 75d
I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.
One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, "hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one."
The boss sighs and is like, "let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he's not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they're building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won't matter."
I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.
tyler@programming.dev · 18 pts · 75d
That dude was just corrupt. My wife has to deal stuff this exact stuff and they literally reroute, build in a different area, or have to take extreme precautions like not building at that time of year that will most affect the endangered species.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 75d
I am an environmental consultant, too. You're correct that they often re-route or change their designs based on habitat, though this isn't always the case. They can determine if the impact is major, or if it can be reversed or off-set. An example would be a mine that goes through woodland caribou habitat. They'll still mine the fuck out of it, but then they'll be required to reclaim it back to what it was. The rub is that people think reclamation is a fast or sure thing, but it's neither. Some ecosystems, like those that support caribou are really hard to re-establish, but operators can get on with a commitment to restore, and a couple of contingencies in case the reclamation doesn't work.
@terranoid@lemmy.cafe yes, this is a thing in consulting, but often with the smaller, more cowboy firms. Bigger firms can push back a bit, and say 'hey, look. we really don't recommend this, here's the risks' or flat refuse service if they can take the hit.
@owsei@programming.dev yes, generally, consultants are hired to do things like rare plant surveys or wildlife sweeps. It's not the EPA or other regulators doing this and the operators don't have the capacity or expertise to do it themselves usually.
tyler@programming.dev · 2 pts · 75d
What makes their story unbelievable is that they said “one day they find endangered shit”. Environmental companies find endangered species every time they leave the office. It’s not an unusual occurrence. I’m not sure if my wife has had a project without at least one reroute in the past decade much less her whole career.
owsei@programming.dev · 9 pts · 75d
Wait the reporting of the endangered species is done by private companies???
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 75d
There's probably some grossly underfunded and under staffed auditing organization that has no teeth but makes everyone who's not really paying attention feel better.
Dojan@pawb.social · 14 pts · 75d
I had no idea Sambucus was native to America. Elder flower is such a quintessential childhood flavour to me.
Edit: So, growing up, my famliy worked at a elder farm for a few years. The name of elder always stuck in my head; Sambucus nigra.
Per Wikipedia, Sambucus nigra, or black elder, is actually native to Europe.
Sambucus can be found natively in large swathes of the world. It's just that the specific type mentioned in the post is native to North America.
Makes me think of how American blueberries here in Sweden has more or less replaced our native blueberries (bilberry) in stores.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 75d
How would you describe it
Nefara@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
It tastes a little like a honeysuckle smells, but lighter and not cloying. It's a very floral taste, sweet, complex, fairly unique. You can get elderflower syrups or liqueur, or sometimes fancy sodas, and it's a very distinctive and unmistakable taste. One of my favorites.
Dojan@pawb.social · 2 pts · 75d
That’s a hard question. It’s floral, which feels like “duh.” It has a fairly mild fragrance. Here it is almost always paired with lemon as well, so you end up with a kind of tangy, floral lemonade kind of thing.
It’s great.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 74d
if today's strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge
dumples@piefed.social · 13 pts · 75d
Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting
chtk@feddit.nl · 23 pts · 75d
So one's father smelling of elder berries is actually a good thing?
Forester@pawb.social · 18 pts · 75d
Your father is a drunk and your mother the town hore is the literal translation.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 75d
Wait… translating from English… to English???
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 75d
Didn't expect that, did ya!?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 75d
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 1 pts · 75d
🎵Do you believe in magic🎶
dumples@piefed.social · 7 pts · 75d
Not if you're French apparently
Nefara@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 75d
In case anyone thinks they can grab a berry off the bush, they need to be cooked first
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 74d
Now I want elderberry jam on my toast.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 74d
Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 75d
The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.
pyre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
even if that would be an obstacle, it would take mere hours for them to change the law and remove the protection altogether.
jfrnz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
No? That’s not true at all.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
Yeah, it takes longer than hours to pass a bill, I have no idea what they were on about.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 74d
It does not take hours to change a law, but it is very quick to ignore a law and mow down a field. Now, whether the law will prevent them from doing that is a different thing. Someone would have to notice that they're going to build in a protected area, notify the police and contact them officially to notify the error.
At this point they may still ignore that, then you'd likely have to start a trial. If you're lucky and you start the trial before they mow down the field, they'll likely agree they made a mistake, pay for your lawyer and move to the field besides.
There's no need to change a law to fix something as simple as paying a couple lawyers.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 7 pts · 74d
I was once working on a building site of some kind and was told that was known to have some kind of native endangered lizard, we were told “if you think you see one, you didn’t”.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 75d
Endangered species act being removed in 3 2 1.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 73d
They will literally not care
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 75d
This is actually more likely to end with you in legal trouble yourself rather than stopping construction. Artificial planting is fairly easy to detect as it doesn't follow natural population distribution, and won't fall under the protection laws. If they can prove who did it, they can be charged with fraud
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 74d
also unless it natively found in the area you are planting, it wont stop the construction once they realize this species is not native to the county, or state. there is such thing as locally native, vs native to the state. just like agave is native to the us, but not native to california, where it is planted everywhere.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
It’s pretty clear laws aren’t real anymore. Nothing will improve until these demons live in constant fear for their lives
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
Fear is temporary. Change is permanent.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 74d
i mean republicans are protesting from thier small towns, and some blue states are partially trying to stop it. because these politicians likely see thier re-election chances become slim if they keep going forward with it. some states that is. the only ones that dont care already arnt up for re-election(Mills, whitmer). it works ina blue state , gop states are unlikely to care about it, since they are likely tobow by trump.
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 75d
They will simply cut whatever protections exist stopping it. Still do it, just don't expect it to be a forever solution.
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 74d
Unfortunately doing this will just get the protections for those species revoked
Saapas@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 75d
Easy to notice if it has been purposefully planted recently though. Might delay it for a little bit, maybe
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 75d
Stop upvoting x and meta reposts you idiots
waldfee@feddit.org · 7 pts · 75d
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 75d
You are not liberating anything you are promoting their shit
waldfee@feddit.org · 3 pts · 75d
I think fedizens are smart enough to not think that using these platforms is any good, but that's just my impression. You
seem to disagree though
ddplf@szmer.info · 7 pts · 75d
Agreed, we have to be super careful or otherwise we may end up generating some huge exposure for these platforms!
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 74d
You are promoting their ecosystem and blocking visibility for better content
ddplf@szmer.info · 1 pts · 74d
I'm so sorry
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 74d
The kind of ecological terrorism I approve
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
i guess this gesture is even safe enough for weak americans
barnacul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
Please regale us with all your tales of arson and sabotage. Surely you have just one or two to share with the group?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
I don't live in the banana republic.
You want arson?
Today is the second day of protests where I live against budget cuts for education.
These are only the teachers, the most docile group of the population.
Europeans know how to fight for their rights.
So yes, I will continue to ridicule the pathetic non-attempts of your subservient, embarrassingly weak population of sheep.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 75d
[Jurassic_Park_Clever_Girl.gif]
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
Hmm, if that's what's in the picture we might have had a bunch of those things around the house when I was growing up and I might be a federal criminal...
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 74d
Those also look very similar to pokeweed. You probably had a pokeweed infestation.
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 74d
Are there any specific instructions out there for how to care for these in order to make sure they actually grow?
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 75d
Donating a couple mil to the ballroom fund will ensure that beetle is suddenly doing just fine and doesn't need to be considered endangered anymore.
M137@lemmy.today · -3 pts · 75d
Top tweet (or whatever it is, IDFK): Good global idea.
Second tweet: "OnLy ThE uS eXiStS"
It would have been so easy to word it different to make even a hint at being aware of the rest of the world, but we know that would never have happened. Because 'Murica brained.