MIT Study Finds Gas Cars Aren't Secretly Better For The Planet Than EVs, Despite What Everyone On Facebook Says

@Grok, is this legit?

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Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It's in the name!!

Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win

Look at everything the MIT has done for us!

Well the headline alone is misleading disinformation.

People shouldn't blindly trust that MIT is somehow immune from the failures of capitalist science. It's literally the heart of the MIC. Endless bullshit coming out of there.

EVs beat me up and killed my dog.

Trans trees! And bushes! Trans nature!

Is that what you want!?

The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing

Was that a scientist, or scientologist?

Maybe someone with a political science degree?

To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.

Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it's not a death sentence anymore). Now I'm mad we aren't engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.

Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.

Yeah, it's a bullshit clickbait headline to ignore this fact.

I’d argue with the level of shit were in with the climate, the no cars lifestyle should be the future.

I love Alex, literally just watched his fan video, but you can't act like that one video is all we need on the subject. "There's already a video on that" doesn't really help anyone trying to bring awareness to a massive issue

I like technology connections but no way in hell should you be advocating for people on Facebook to get their facts from youtubers.

Don't worry, they'll find something on YouTube that'll confirm their bias. They won't watch a 1.5h video though.

Half my family believes this it’s one of the major reason they don’t switch to EVs despite being believers of climate change.

That does sound like everyone on Facebook

Don't underestimate the ignorant.

You reduced it to about 70% of the population.

And idiots who spend lots of money on overpriced ice cars to impress their mates

That's why they are so concerned about the resell value in a years time, because they're not buying the car they want, only one that is fashionable

How do you discover new things or form opinions?

I live in Atlanta and when I turned 21 (a couple years ago, but post 2020) I was kinda irritated because literally everything in the entire city was planned on Facebook Events, and I hated using Facebook.

It's overwhelmingly popular, especially in the 30+ crowd, not even restricted to your 55+. Genuinely everyone would create Facebook events (before Partiful got popular) to invite people over on a Saturday

Edit: spelling

Is lemmy the same kind of comfortable echo chamber?

What do you propose we do to solve tyres?

Literally no-one has said that

The general idea is that the production of the electronics is far more destructive than making an ICE drive system. I am not well read on recent changes, but there was a point where that statement was true, but even then the electronics weren't worse from greenhouse gas standpoint, just from other toxins.

A second hand EV is better than a second hand gas car though, so... What's your point? What's with this entirely outdated talking point at all? There are EVs old enough to vote.

I feel you. My 20 year old Honda that I bought for $3k cash 3 years ago is reliable and easy to work on.

I do like the idea of not ever buying gasoline again, but I also like the idea of a $32 a month insurance payment and no car note, too...

A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.

It's amazing how this article ignores this obvious fact and even more amazing that people downvote it.

car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one.

Don't forget the shitty electronics and spyware in newer cars.

You can buy EVs secondhand. You'd be hard pressed to find a sub 10k EV "beater" but there are plenty of used EVs in the 15-25k price range in my area, and are equivalent in features to used cars in the same bracket.

Everyday a single vehicles emits enough pollution to kill countless people.

Considering that since there are over 1.6 billion cars in use worldwide, I think if each one killed more than one person per day there would soon be none of us left.

Collectively they do cause some 246,000 deaths each year, from pollution alone, with several times that figure being attributable to motor vehicle collisions. So I do think the regular use of fossil fuel vehicles needs to be phased out, along with a drastic reduction in personal vehicle use in general in urban areas and the implementation of systematic safety principles in road design.

provably

No, no you didn't. But that's okay little buddy. Someday your fantasy will be true.

This may come as a shocker to some people, but ICE cars are mined and manufactured in almost the exact same way as an EV. The main difference is EVs tend to weigh a bit more.

Also, once you mine the materials for an EV, you're done. My car runs on sunlight and wind. Once you mine and manufacture an ICE, you are locked into mining, manufacturing, and transporting resources for it for the rest of it's existence.

Maybe cause its a separate issue? Look, yes it is costly to extract the resources for a battery, but once we have it, we have it for good. Batteries are incredibly recyclable at this point (90%+ recoverable, conservatively), and a new battery can be almost entirely created using previous batteries.

This is in comparison to fossil fuels, which you get to burn exactly once, after which point you have to go extract more. The environmental costs of extracting oil (not even burning it) are well documented.

Where a ICE car requires ongoing environmental devastation, an electric one does not inherently require it. As more of the materials for batteries enters circulation, there's less need to go extract more, and as grids transition from fossil fuels to renewables the climate impact of charging can be lessened as well.

Of course this isn't to say that an electric car is the climate endgame. More walkable places, better public transit, better regulation of corporate polluters, etc. are the real meat and potatoes. But saying that EVs are just as bad as ICE cars is just not true.

That's a lot of words for "I want to sound clever"

Is this a shitty bot or just a fucking stuned goat. Babling over nothing with no point to it.