I realize I don't necessarily speak for all of my fellow Americans when I say this, but I could not possibly care less if Israelis feel betrayed by Trump. He's not your president, it's not your government, go fuck yourselves.
How can a US president betray "Israelis". He's not their president, and America is not their mommies. We owe them exactly nothing. They should get off our tit, and we'd like all the nuclear materials they stole from us returned immediately.
Without the large amount of material and monetary support America provides to keep Israel's military the strongest in the region, they would get steamrolled by their neighbors. Probably not immediately, but it would be inevitable. Note that I'm not saying anything about whether this is right or wrong from any ethical point of view in any direction, simply that it absolutely would happen. For whatever reason it has consistently been the policy of the American government not to let this happen.
Israel's very existence as a modern state has been, shall we say, deeply unpopular with its Arab neighbors literally since day one.
Completely unrelated but hindsight being 20/20 the warning signs were always there with moderated centralized forums like reddit.
I have my same reddit acct I've had for 15+ years. I'm banned from few aubreddits but my first and most memorable was from AskReddit for doxxing myself. To remove the ban they told me I had to draw a picture of some stupid shit like a giraffe in a Santa hat because it was Christmas or something. That was when I realized I don't want anything to do with these stupid ass moderators power tripping over a users engagement on a forum. Absolutely asinine.
Mine was for saying only, "Israel is the Devil" Wait, that was twitter actually my bad. Fucking reddit did a bunch of dishonest enforecements against me because of Israel though.
yeah, I'd also ask: what more could we give them that hasn't been given already? also, it just illustrates how there's no offramp, no future peace with this government - Bibi knows only perpetual war will keep him in power, and maybe out of jail, so they're all out for it and thought trump would be dumb enough to go even further.
it's pretty mind boggling. he is really dumb tho so...maybe they think they can neg him into it? fuck....
How did Israel transition from a US base in the Middle East into the country that visibly holds the keys? Blackmail? Money? Religion? What the hell happened?
I find myself asking this question more and more... But not just the US. How the fuck does Israel have so much power over so many countries. Like just look at the UK and how they're treating anyone even protesting for Palestine. It's insane how much power they have over so many countries... I just don't understand how.
The Holocaust was real, and it's important to not forget atrocities because as we can see we slip back into them very quickly.
My main issue with HOW the Holocaust lives in the modern western conscious is that it drowns out plenty of other genocides, from the Armenian genocide and the Bengal famine up to more recent ones in Gaza and the Congo. It's ridiculous to compare genocides as if they can be distilled to a number and compared, but the framing of the Holocaust as worse than the other genocides is so counterproductive to developing the empathy necessary to prevent this kind of thing in the future.
I mean the Holocaust literally happened and Europe and they're full of racism against romani and recent migrants. People shit on the USA for having a checkered past but at least we know about it. The number of brits who don't even know about their atrocities in Ireland, their backyard, is nuts. That's not even counting what happened in their colonies. I talked with a Belgian once who wasn't aware of how bad their colony in the Congo was.
US wanted a “friend” in the middle east to ensure access to oil.
No, thats BS -- trying to blame the Us for zionisms crimes. The Nakba wasnt a US invention and that happened right after ww2. Zionism is not America's fault and does not benefit America at all. Its pure cost and always has been. America already has better friends in the middle east to access oil. It does not need anything from Israel at all-- not commerically, strategically, diplomatically, and things would be smoother oil-access wise if Israeli religious terrorists werent present in the region. We're there because zionists have money. Some of which we gave them.
And it's disappointing that the Dems are scared of doing without the election funding.
I get it. It's understandable that they don't trust voters to look past name recognition and ads. But... I still think it's a bad call. Being beholden to Israel isn't worth it, even if it makes us more likely to lose elections.
Call your Dems. Tell them you want transparency in funding, even if it is AIPAC.
Dems as a party could make a big show of rejecting AIPAC altogether and returning all the money. That'd buy them more publicity and goodwill than ads can buy. At least the next cycle.
Good question, but it's important to note that they only have as much power as they do because they're being allowed to do so by the US political establishment. It's not like Israel is writing US foreign policy in the Middle East from the ground up; US foreign policy just happens to be close enough to what Israel wants to do that that's what it looks like. That's the base on top of which the blackmail, money and religion are acting, as evidenced by how none of those factors would ever make America act like this with, say, China.
Except it isn’t that he doesn’t want to murder iranians any more. It’s that he put himself in a lose-lose situation and he somehow doubled down and made the loss even worse.
Israelis will blow wherever the wind blows. Don't let them convince you that they're totally checking anti drumpf progressives in November when suddenly every other D is taking their money. They will lie, cheat, and steal to keep the US-Zion Siphon going.
That op-ed is from a different author, in a different newspaper, over a decade ago. Not sure what it proves other than "different Israelis have held contrasting political opinions at various points in time."
Trump is a dumb mother fucker but Israel has their own dumb mother fucker. The fact that he feels “betrayed” is quite telling about who wanted this shit in the first place.
Trump< /could/ have been the best president of all time!? By those standards, where literally anything is possible, it could have been a dismembered hand on a tek deck. Just as likely.
Ffs. For him to have become the best President of all time. He'd have to become a fundamentally new person with almost exclusively opposite traits.
Sheldon had a lifetime total donation figure of $273 million, while as of the publishing of their profile, Miriam had a total of $284 million.[6]
Miriam Adelson has been described by major news outlets, including Reuters and Bloomberg, as a significant financial supporter of pro-Israel political causes in the United States, contributing substantial funding to Republican-aligned political initiatives and organizations supporting U.S.–Israel relations.
Wow.
MAGA will absolutely not shut up about George Soros and Jewish conspiracies, but… this is okay?
It’s what’s so frustrating.
It seems the Democrat side absolutely revels in peeling each other apart (see: Lemmy), but US Republicans have horse blinders on. Their leaders can do no wrong; unity comes first. They will rail and rail and rail on something the Democrats are doing when their own party is already doing it too.
…I know why, or at least I think I do.
It all ties into “worship culture” and parasocial relationships like the evangelical church, talk radio, Tech Bros, and similar structures that seem to occur more in conservative zones. It’s a pseudo-religious “unity and belief” mindset.
…And Democrat’s indulgence in ragebait. And tribalism.
But it’s still crazy. Democrats will eat each other alive over some tiny detail or controversy, but even raging internet antisemites, who proudly follow Trump, will slide their eyes right over this little detail.
Sorry man. But EVERYTHING I've seen about Netanyahu is just BLOODLUST! They totally leveled Gaza and the Palestine territories they occupied.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY!
I used to be a trump and Israel supporter, but my God! How much blood thirst is enough?
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
When the orange Cheeto lost to Biden and approved the execution of Pence, ("so what") that was the end. This worthless sore loser POS was hell bent on mass destruction.
No dipshit, you don't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, or to put your name or image on passports, park passes, or $250 bills. No, stupid, we don't want or need to see your ugly mug or name on the Kennedy center or federal buildings.
Just go quietly, into that dark, nameless abyss you crawled out from.
You have made America a much worse place, you divisive fuck head!
Total B.S. I was on topic. Trump and MAGA are not the philosophical offspring of Reagan. They are a mutation. They hijacked the party. Trump is the polar opposite of Reagan.
Reaganomics beat the shit out of whatever Carter was doing in the 70's; gas shortages with long lines, hyperinflation, mortgage rates went from 8.85% to 16.64% in 4 years. You may well not like Reaganomics, but it damn well saved the country from stagflation.
Reagan was a self deprecating optimist who believed that America is that shining city on a hill whose best days lie before her. Trump is a loud mouth, divisive, egotistical piece of shit, who is only out for himself and will persecute you to the end of the earth for saying anything bad about him. Their policies, politics, personalities, agendas, world view, are completely opposite.
It's really not difficult to disagree without being disagreeable. I think we all pretty much agree that we need to get this chubby, cheating, Cheeto in chief outta there. In the meantime, liberals and conservatives can have lively debates without making it personal.
Reaganomics only helped the capitalist class. The only thing to "trickle down" is piss on the working class. We see the long term results of that today.
Reagan laughed and cut funding while gay people died during the worst of the AIDS epidemic. Closing state mental hospitals ballooned the homeless population. Then , of course there's the Iran-Contra affair.
We can agree that Trump needs to go, but what comes after is more important and Reaganite policies will not help us. You insulted my intelligence in the first sentence you wrote to me, so forgive me if I have trouble believing you about not getting personal.
So. Ollie North overcharged the Iranians for weapons and used the proceeds to fund the Contras. What exactly is your problem with that? Check one box only please.
He overcharged the Iranians for arms.
He used the proceeds to stave off a legitimately evil, hateful, genocidal regime.
Well you insulted my hero. Not trump! I would consider trump and Reagan as 2 poles on the opposite sides of a sphere. Think north and south pole. Trump is actually more like a virus that caused a genetic mutation. No joke.
I've been the employer that hired people to do their job. Trust me, it's not just taking money in, and laughing all the way to the bank. Every dollar that i saved is another dollar I can sink into the company or pay higher wages. "OH wait, company xyz offered you 10% more? I can match that" . I need a buffer. I was not a "capitalist class" . How many complainers have actually run a business that employed people, and had to meet payroll , and had to meet payroll taxes and keep their employees and customers happy?
I was there when HIV became an issue. We had no idea what caused it, how it spread, or what to do about it. It took some time. I was there!
No Reagan didn't "laugh" when gay people died. - give me 1 unbiased, verifiable link to substantiate that claim.
I'm very sorry but we are 39 trillion dollars in the hole, as laudable as providing state hospitals may have been, we can not afford it at this time. Find a better way. So, what, we'd be like 44 trillion in debt. Is that the inheritance you want to leave your kids?
As a business owner I've had to balance budgets for decades. I would've loved to buy that greatest, tech wizzbang thing; it would save/ make so much money. Sorry. Just cant afford it. Like it or not, the BBB allows companies to fully depreciate an asset in the 1st year (i had to wait decades) freeing up more cash to pay higher wages.
I hate DJT. He is everything Reagan was not.
I WON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO SULLY THE NAME OF REAGAN BY ASSOCIATING IT WITH TRUMP TO TRY TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA! IT IS DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THE LEAST.
DJT and the maga agenda must be hamstriged, hogtied, disabled, overridden, axed, rendered useless, shutdown, crippled, discombobulated, to say the least.
You need to take criticism of your favorite politicians less personally. It's a bad look. I'm not arguing with a cultist who is incapable of seeing reason. I hope you have a good weekend and have a chance to relax and reflect.
When Reagan was lying in the hospital after someone tried to kill him, most visitors were turned away. One of his first visitors was his good friend, speaker of the house, Tip O'Neil.
Reagan lit up when here saw his friend. Tip O'Neil knelt down and prayed for his friend and kissed him on the forehead.
People who take politics personally, jab the other side, and question their motives are straight up wack, haters. That's not sane.
Well, the Lemmy folk were bound to be angry about the Regan pride.
But, any ally is an ally. Even old yuppies.
Just rewatch "They Live" and realize we are now living in the world where nothing changed and the wealthy (alien/human traitors/yuppies) won. That's why they are mad. Put the glasses on and get angry.
What a stupid fucking article written by a stupid piece of shit. Any and every president could have been the greatest if they made the right decisions.
The true source of the problem is Israeli zionists knowing that what they print in their country has actual influence over the policies and decisions of the leader of a foreign state. That just shouldn't matter to the USA president. Our leaders should be mindful of how our nation appears in the eyes of the world, but a USA leader should wipe their ass with direct confrontation like this when they refuse to do zionists' biddings.
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TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 181 pts · 47d
No, he couldn't have
I realize I don't necessarily speak for all of my fellow Americans when I say this, but I could not possibly care less if Israelis feel betrayed by Trump. He's not your president, it's not your government, go fuck yourselves.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 47d
But he is the President they paid for! Doesn't that count at least a bit?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 46d
I'm sorry but you're past the 90 day return policy. Best I can do is a discount on the next president you purchase.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 46d
Buy two presidents, get one governor free!
zarathustrad@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 46d
Do I ever have a deal for you!
You don't have to worry about your vote counting ever again! (Because it won't)
chocrates@piefed.world · 63 pts · 47d
Do we tell them that he is the POTUS? Israeli interests should not be something we care about
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 47d
What about Gazan interests? That’s been known to tilt an election or two.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 27 pts · 47d
Geez I wonder why genocide would tilt an election; it's not like it's the most horrible crime man has ever committed.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 46d
Well ok, but don't forget about Hawaiian pizza.
ferrule@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 45d
You mean the third best pizza ever created?
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 46d
Never been proven, and I'd bet against it. People overlook that 2024 was a bad year for incumbents overall.
optimisticturtle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 46d
kreskin@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 46d
How can a US president betray "Israelis". He's not their president, and America is not their mommies. We owe them exactly nothing. They should get off our tit, and we'd like all the nuclear materials they stole from us returned immediately.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 46d
Without the large amount of material and monetary support America provides to keep Israel's military the strongest in the region, they would get steamrolled by their neighbors. Probably not immediately, but it would be inevitable. Note that I'm not saying anything about whether this is right or wrong from any ethical point of view in any direction, simply that it absolutely would happen. For whatever reason it has consistently been the policy of the American government not to let this happen.
Israel's very existence as a modern state has been, shall we say, deeply unpopular with its Arab neighbors literally since day one.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 46d
the reason is that its free surveillance on the rest of the region. USA wants to keep an eye on countries they seem hostile and their interests (oil).
optimisticturtle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 46d
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 42d
sure but not to defend the shit stain, he represents the nation, so if another nation states an "ally", say Canada...or Denmark or Ukraine or...
an allegory, you're married, doesnt mean you can't betray a friend, perhaps not as deeply as your partner but still.
Im an Australian, our previous governemnt betrayed the French for example
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 51 pts · 46d
"betrayed the Israelis"... Why does America owe Israel anything?
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 46d
My first Reddit ban was for attempting to ask that question in the most politically neutral way possible.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 46d
Completely unrelated but hindsight being 20/20 the warning signs were always there with moderated centralized forums like reddit.
I have my same reddit acct I've had for 15+ years. I'm banned from few aubreddits but my first and most memorable was from AskReddit for doxxing myself. To remove the ban they told me I had to draw a picture of some stupid shit like a giraffe in a Santa hat because it was Christmas or something. That was when I realized I don't want anything to do with these stupid ass moderators power tripping over a users engagement on a forum. Absolutely asinine.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 46d
Mine was for saying only, "Israel is the Devil" Wait, that was twitter actually my bad. Fucking reddit did a bunch of dishonest enforecements against me because of Israel though.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 46d
yeah, I'd also ask: what more could we give them that hasn't been given already? also, it just illustrates how there's no offramp, no future peace with this government - Bibi knows only perpetual war will keep him in power, and maybe out of jail, so they're all out for it and thought trump would be dumb enough to go even further.
it's pretty mind boggling. he is really dumb tho so...maybe they think they can neg him into it? fuck....
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 47d
How did Israel transition from a US base in the Middle East into the country that visibly holds the keys? Blackmail? Money? Religion? What the hell happened?
Asafum@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 47d
I find myself asking this question more and more... But not just the US. How the fuck does Israel have so much power over so many countries. Like just look at the UK and how they're treating anyone even protesting for Palestine. It's insane how much power they have over so many countries... I just don't understand how.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 47d
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · -26 pts · 46d
nandeEbisu@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 46d
The Holocaust was real, and it's important to not forget atrocities because as we can see we slip back into them very quickly.
My main issue with HOW the Holocaust lives in the modern western conscious is that it drowns out plenty of other genocides, from the Armenian genocide and the Bengal famine up to more recent ones in Gaza and the Congo. It's ridiculous to compare genocides as if they can be distilled to a number and compared, but the framing of the Holocaust as worse than the other genocides is so counterproductive to developing the empathy necessary to prevent this kind of thing in the future.
I mean the Holocaust literally happened and Europe and they're full of racism against romani and recent migrants. People shit on the USA for having a checkered past but at least we know about it. The number of brits who don't even know about their atrocities in Ireland, their backyard, is nuts. That's not even counting what happened in their colonies. I talked with a Belgian once who wasn't aware of how bad their colony in the Congo was.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 1 pts · 46d
Serinus@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 46d
We should be milking it more. And some people are.
Because what's happening in Gaza isn't much different. Slightly less organized. Equally inhumane and unhuman.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 46d
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 46d
kreskin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 46d
No, thats BS -- trying to blame the Us for zionisms crimes. The Nakba wasnt a US invention and that happened right after ww2. Zionism is not America's fault and does not benefit America at all. Its pure cost and always has been. America already has better friends in the middle east to access oil. It does not need anything from Israel at all-- not commerically, strategically, diplomatically, and things would be smoother oil-access wise if Israeli religious terrorists werent present in the region. We're there because zionists have money. Some of which we gave them.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 46d
The Epstein class. It wasn't just a sex ring.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46d
Israel has nukes pointed at everyone in range, enemy and ally alike and will fire if there's a chance of Israel "falling."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
tedd_deireadh@piefed.social · 15 pts · 47d
All of the above.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 46d
Money. Politics is always all about money. Not ideals/virtues. Not borders. Not cultures. Not ideas. Not what the people need.
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 47d
Gotta be the Epstein blackmail?
Ghislaines dad was an Israeli agent
It's so insane. It's just blatant they dictate our foreign policy at this point.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
And it's disappointing that the Dems are scared of doing without the election funding.
I get it. It's understandable that they don't trust voters to look past name recognition and ads. But... I still think it's a bad call. Being beholden to Israel isn't worth it, even if it makes us more likely to lose elections.
Call your Dems. Tell them you want transparency in funding, even if it is AIPAC.
Dems as a party could make a big show of rejecting AIPAC altogether and returning all the money. That'd buy them more publicity and goodwill than ads can buy. At least the next cycle.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 46d
All of the above
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 47d
Good question, but it's important to note that they only have as much power as they do because they're being allowed to do so by the US political establishment. It's not like Israel is writing US foreign policy in the Middle East from the ground up; US foreign policy just happens to be close enough to what Israel wants to do that that's what it looks like. That's the base on top of which the blackmail, money and religion are acting, as evidenced by how none of those factors would ever make America act like this with, say, China.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 42 pts · 46d
"I never got why everyone hated the mass-and-child-rapist, but now that he doesnt want to murder iranians anymore... I get it now."
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 46d
Except it isn’t that he doesn’t want to murder iranians any more. It’s that he put himself in a lose-lose situation and he somehow doubled down and made the loss even worse.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 47d
Israelis will blow wherever the wind blows. Don't let them convince you that they're totally checking anti drumpf progressives in November when suddenly every other D is taking their money. They will lie, cheat, and steal to keep the US-Zion Siphon going.
Jordan117@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 47d
That op-ed is from a different author, in a different newspaper, over a decade ago. Not sure what it proves other than "different Israelis have held contrasting political opinions at various points in time."
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 46d
That's crazy! Next you'll try to tell us that there's a nation who has elected both Trump and Obama as president!
Jomega@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 46d
The headline would cause a middle schooler from the 2000's to die laughing.
pticrix@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 46d
I've never felt the need for the "we are not the same" meme before reading this .
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 46d
If that president could read he'd be very upset
billwashere@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 46d
Trump is a dumb mother fucker but Israel has their own dumb mother fucker. The fact that he feels “betrayed” is quite telling about who wanted this shit in the first place.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 46d
If the "enlightened" world is totally on board with genocide then we are so fucked.
catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 45d
Fucking lol
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 45d
Lmao, even
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 45d
Gigdragon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 46d
Ffs. For him to have become the best President of all time. He'd have to become a fundamentally new person with almost exclusively opposite traits.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 45d
Wow.
MAGA will absolutely not shut up about George Soros and Jewish conspiracies, but… this is okay?
It’s what’s so frustrating.
It seems the Democrat side absolutely revels in peeling each other apart (see: Lemmy), but US Republicans have horse blinders on. Their leaders can do no wrong; unity comes first. They will rail and rail and rail on something the Democrats are doing when their own party is already doing it too.
…I know why, or at least I think I do.
It all ties into “worship culture” and parasocial relationships like the evangelical church, talk radio, Tech Bros, and similar structures that seem to occur more in conservative zones. It’s a pseudo-religious “unity and belief” mindset.
…And Democrat’s indulgence in ragebait. And tribalism.
But it’s still crazy. Democrats will eat each other alive over some tiny detail or controversy, but even raging internet antisemites, who proudly follow Trump, will slide their eyes right over this little detail.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 46d
Well he betrayed Americans too and they still seem to love him.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
I’d say most of us really don’t.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 46d
Fuck Adelson, that bitch. She is the fucking devil.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 7 pts · 47d
idgi OP, just post the raw🔗
Your instance is blocked by many countries.
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
Also should include https://web.archive.org/web/20260619161330/https://www.israelhayom.com/2026/06/18/you-could-have-been-the-greatest-president-of-all-but-you-failed/
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 47d
Sorry man. But EVERYTHING I've seen about Netanyahu is just BLOODLUST! They totally leveled Gaza and the Palestine territories they occupied.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY!
I used to be a trump and Israel supporter, but my God! How much blood thirst is enough?
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
When the orange Cheeto lost to Biden and approved the execution of Pence, ("so what") that was the end. This worthless sore loser POS was hell bent on mass destruction.
No dipshit, you don't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, or to put your name or image on passports, park passes, or $250 bills. No, stupid, we don't want or need to see your ugly mug or name on the Kennedy center or federal buildings.
Just go quietly, into that dark, nameless abyss you crawled out from.
You have made America a much worse place, you divisive fuck head!
Glytch@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 46d
Trumpism is a direct result of Reaganism.
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 46d
You're just not too bright, so I'll bite my tongue. But Trump has nothing to do with Reagan. Full stop.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
Ad hominem is unnecessary, try to stay on topic.
Without Reaganomics we wouldn't have president Trump. Full Stop
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 46d
Total B.S. I was on topic. Trump and MAGA are not the philosophical offspring of Reagan. They are a mutation. They hijacked the party. Trump is the polar opposite of Reagan.
Reaganomics beat the shit out of whatever Carter was doing in the 70's; gas shortages with long lines, hyperinflation, mortgage rates went from 8.85% to 16.64% in 4 years. You may well not like Reaganomics, but it damn well saved the country from stagflation.
Reagan was a self deprecating optimist who believed that America is that shining city on a hill whose best days lie before her. Trump is a loud mouth, divisive, egotistical piece of shit, who is only out for himself and will persecute you to the end of the earth for saying anything bad about him. Their policies, politics, personalities, agendas, world view, are completely opposite.
It's really not difficult to disagree without being disagreeable. I think we all pretty much agree that we need to get this chubby, cheating, Cheeto in chief outta there. In the meantime, liberals and conservatives can have lively debates without making it personal.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
Reaganomics only helped the capitalist class. The only thing to "trickle down" is piss on the working class. We see the long term results of that today.
Reagan laughed and cut funding while gay people died during the worst of the AIDS epidemic. Closing state mental hospitals ballooned the homeless population. Then , of course there's the Iran-Contra affair.
We can agree that Trump needs to go, but what comes after is more important and Reaganite policies will not help us. You insulted my intelligence in the first sentence you wrote to me, so forgive me if I have trouble believing you about not getting personal.
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 45d
OK let's talk about the Iran contra issue.
I watched the hearings on CSPAN EVERY SINGLE DAY!
So. Ollie North overcharged the Iranians for weapons and used the proceeds to fund the Contras. What exactly is your problem with that? Check one box only please.
He overcharged the Iranians for arms.
He used the proceeds to stave off a legitimately evil, hateful, genocidal regime.
One box only please!
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 45d
Well you insulted my hero. Not trump! I would consider trump and Reagan as 2 poles on the opposite sides of a sphere. Think north and south pole. Trump is actually more like a virus that caused a genetic mutation. No joke.
I've been the employer that hired people to do their job. Trust me, it's not just taking money in, and laughing all the way to the bank. Every dollar that i saved is another dollar I can sink into the company or pay higher wages. "OH wait, company xyz offered you 10% more? I can match that" . I need a buffer. I was not a "capitalist class" . How many complainers have actually run a business that employed people, and had to meet payroll , and had to meet payroll taxes and keep their employees and customers happy?
I was there when HIV became an issue. We had no idea what caused it, how it spread, or what to do about it. It took some time. I was there!
No Reagan didn't "laugh" when gay people died. - give me 1 unbiased, verifiable link to substantiate that claim.
I'm very sorry but we are 39 trillion dollars in the hole, as laudable as providing state hospitals may have been, we can not afford it at this time. Find a better way. So, what, we'd be like 44 trillion in debt. Is that the inheritance you want to leave your kids?
As a business owner I've had to balance budgets for decades. I would've loved to buy that greatest, tech wizzbang thing; it would save/ make so much money. Sorry. Just cant afford it. Like it or not, the BBB allows companies to fully depreciate an asset in the 1st year (i had to wait decades) freeing up more cash to pay higher wages.
I hate DJT. He is everything Reagan was not.
I WON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO SULLY THE NAME OF REAGAN BY ASSOCIATING IT WITH TRUMP TO TRY TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA! IT IS DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THE LEAST.
DJT and the maga agenda must be hamstriged, hogtied, disabled, overridden, axed, rendered useless, shutdown, crippled, discombobulated, to say the least.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 45d
You need to take criticism of your favorite politicians less personally. It's a bad look. I'm not arguing with a cultist who is incapable of seeing reason. I hope you have a good weekend and have a chance to relax and reflect.
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 45d
I'm sorry. My bad.
I forgot to mention unemployment insurance and workman's compensation insurance costs.
Agrivar@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 46d
WTF do you have to be proud of? That dementia ridden actor was the test run for Diaper Don.
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 46d
Dude.
Reagan and Trump. No comparison.
I know.
I was there.
Agrivar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
So was I. Reagan was the test run, Dementia Don is doing the same shit, just magnified an order of magnitude.
barneyrubble@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 46d
Hey brainiac!
When Reagan was lying in the hospital after someone tried to kill him, most visitors were turned away. One of his first visitors was his good friend, speaker of the house, Tip O'Neil.
Reagan lit up when here saw his friend. Tip O'Neil knelt down and prayed for his friend and kissed him on the forehead.
People who take politics personally, jab the other side, and question their motives are straight up wack, haters. That's not sane.
Agrivar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
So fucking what? Tip O'Neil being a decent human being doesn't make Reagan any less of a shitstain.
You're an idiot.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 46d
Well, the Lemmy folk were bound to be angry about the Regan pride.
But, any ally is an ally. Even old yuppies.
Just rewatch "They Live" and realize we are now living in the world where nothing changed and the wealthy (alien/human traitors/yuppies) won. That's why they are mad. Put the glasses on and get angry.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 46d
Glad you've seen reason
CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 46d
What a stupid fucking article written by a stupid piece of shit. Any and every president could have been the greatest if they made the right decisions.
b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 45d
The “enlightened world” is clearly one which regards themselves as superior and other “less enlightened” people as deserving of genocide.
dltk@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 45d
Fuck Trump and Fuck Israel.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 47d
gtfo with this clickbait bullshit.
garbagehead@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 47d
Kick someone too many times on the playground, they cease caring what you want.
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 46d
Trump is such a massive fucking idiot he really could have been the greatest president if the media wasn't up their own ass with hate
Todays headline: "No president can figure out socialized health care. Obama tried but failed"
Tomorrows headline: "It would take a great president to solve Americas Healthcare crisis"
etc...
kandoh@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 45d
Mr. Scorpion, we could've been across the river by now but instead we're both drowning to death
– the frog
Xanthrax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
"You may"?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 45d
The true source of the problem is Israeli zionists knowing that what they print in their country has actual influence over the policies and decisions of the leader of a foreign state. That just shouldn't matter to the USA president. Our leaders should be mindful of how our nation appears in the eyes of the world, but a USA leader should wipe their ass with direct confrontation like this when they refuse to do zionists' biddings.