This is literally natural selection in action. Do not interfere. They want to do everything on their own, no problem. But no hypocrisy. Make your choice and stand by it come what may.
It's not natural selection if they breed before dying, and I think the conservatives are still having more children earlier then liberals because they think God said condoms and abortion are evil.
My mom died in November 2020 due to something like an upper respiratory infection. Antibiotics could have saved her, but she chose vitamins and colloidal silver. She'd been part of this christofascism cult since the 90s
Someone I loved very much died because he thought the Covid vaccine would kill him. Before he fell down the alt-medicine rabbit hole, he was one of my favorite uncles. He was a good guy.
He had four kids, all still in grade school, and a wife who's now a single mom. He didn't deserve to become a casualty of a confidence scam. He deserved to live. It pisses me off when people look at the death toll of a believable lie and gloat about how it's removing the 'right' people.
They fell for a scam. That doesn't merit the death sentence.
Edit: I didn't think that publicly showing some vulnerability by talking about a dead loved one was such a god damned controversial take. Humans are a social species. We are hardwired to trust our peers because it is part of how we evolved to survive.
When that evolutionary advantage is exploited by con artists and cult leaders, it is difficult to fight. No one is immune to believing a lie. No matter how smart, sensitive, or cynical, we have the same fundamental weakness; we trust our in-group before we trust an unknown outlier. Consider the last time you found out that a fundamental part of your worldview turned out to be part of a broader deception, and how difficult it was to overcome that in spite of the mountain of obvious evidence.
I asked for people to remember that, and have empathy. Nothing more. The reason? The only way to convince someone to get out of a cult is to give them some empathy, and wait. To quietly demonstrate, through sustained neutral interactions, that a piece of their worldview doesn't work. That strategy fails when you alienate them. Alienating them validates their conditioning and drives them deeper into the deception and the alternative reality it offers.
Someone you love believes something that isn't true. And eventually, they'll run into evidence that denies their view. For my uncle, that opportunity to change his mind came too late. Lies kill people. That is a fact. Have a god damn heart, and be patient. Unraveling your whole world is a terrifying undertaking, and they need a hand when that moment comes, not hatred..
Is everyone who falls for a scam--whether it's crypto, alternative medicine, or MAGA--a good person? Hell no. Should you make that effort for everyone? Again, no. All I'm asking is that if someone you love falls for a trap, try to pull them out of it before it's too late.
Nah, he had access to the same information as the rest of us, but his obsession with Trump was more important to him than his family. He worked hard to earn his death, and his family should resent him for the rest of their lives for abandoning them.
And so should you. If Trump had started rounding up and murdering immigrants and dissidents, he would have cheered for it. Don't deny it, he literally died for Trump. He was a bad and stupid person, who died because of his own poor choices.
It’s wild. Americans being unwilling to enact even SOCIAL consequences on MAGA garbage is exactly why they are where they are. These people need to be cut off without a second thought.
I'm glad no one you cared about died because they got suckered into following a cult. I'm glad you don't have to wonder if they'll get hurt because they've been brainwashed. I'm glad you don't have to wonder who fed them such poisonous lies, and fight to try and cure it.
I’m glad no one you cared about died because they got suckered into following a cult.
No one I know died because no one I know is that stupid. And that actually includes my MAGA dad who I don't talk to anymore, but I think that's because he spent his life working in a hospital, and that allowed him to avoid falling for THAT part of the MAGA scam.
I'm not going to feel sorry for assholes that choose to ignore advice from highly educated professionals in favor of listening to felons, rapists, and pedophiles instead.
Don't you know that the US and Canada are twins? Don't you see that your country is going the exact same way ours is? Those are your friends and family who are reading the same trash, maybe wedging its way into the same cracks in their logic that killed someone I loved.
If it hasn't happened, it will. And I hope when it does, you try to save them too.
Yes, I know that your inaction is likely to make this our problem eventually too.
And when it does, any “friends and family” espousing that garbage gets cut off AT BEST. If they’re fortunate, they’ll get to keep all their teeth. And if they decide that conspiracy theories are more attractive than, you know, staying alive, good riddance.
Looking through your comment history, you seem to make a career out of blaming and mocking victims. I have to wonder who hurt you so badly that you spend all day hurting other people. How does using your trauma like it's a keyboard assault weapon help your cause?
Cool. You live in your grey area where Nazis have some good qualities and maybe you can reach them if you overlook the fact that they’re absolute garbage. That’s definitely stopped fascists before.
Pretty fucked up your making fun of someone who lost a loved one. Completely ignorant to think something like that couldn't happen to you, unless you don't have loved ones, dick.
He kissed your head and grinned when you talked about your favorite superheroes? He picked you up and swung you around on his arms with his own kids, singing songs about monkeys in trees?
He held you when you cried? He held your mother when she cried?
You make a lot of assumptions for some faceless ass on the deep dark depths of the internet.
Hitler loved dogs and children. He also slaughtered millions of them.
I didn't know your uncle personally, but I know he was a MAGA who was so dug in that he literally put his obsession for Trump ahead of his love for his family, and died for it, abandoning his 4 kids. Anyone who puts their politics or religion ahead of their love for their own children is a sociopathic loser.
What else do I need to know about him? Nothing he possibly did is going to redeem him for being an unapologetic MAGA sociopath to the very end.
You and people like you are the reason maga rose to power to begin with. But go ahead, Keep posting about your moral superiority online, I'm sure that will fix everything.
They fell for a scam. That doesn't merit the death sentence.
You know, if this scam wasn't both easily avoidable and actively calling for the imprisonment and/or death of various groups of people within the country, I might be a bit more sympathetic. I know it can be tough watching someone you know fall for it and not being able to stop it, but getting mad at internet strangers who say that MAGA followers got what they should have seen coming to them has the same vibes as going "But my uncle was a good guy before he fell for all this Nazi stuff Hitler is saying, he didn't deserve this," while overlooking that they volunteered to be a guard at one of the camps.
Nobody is forcing people at gun point to go MAGA at present,, and adopting and promoting that ideology has real impacts on other peoples' lives, which currently include arbitrary imprisonment, an inhumane death camp in El Salvador and Trump's brown shirts beating and killing people in the streets. So it might suck on a personal level, but who are you to tell someone who lost their access to abortion, medical care and/or the ability to just live a normal life if they happen to be trans or gay in the wrong state, or even someone they know being rounded up by ICE that they're bad people when they say, "Well, good thing another MAGA person died, that's one less of them fucking up my life," in a situation like this?
Again, it sucks for you that you lost your uncle, but he didn't live in a vacuum and the ideology he adopted has real, severe consequences for everyone else who has to deal with it.
With that said, I do think we need to give some serious thought to deprogramming these folks and reintegrating them with civilization in the near future. "Screw them all, let's just kill them," is hardly going ti be a viable strategy when we have to face our own period of de-Nazification in the future and could be helpful in actually getting some off the indoctrination pipeline and reducing their numbers in the present. There are millions of people who have openly embraced fascism in the US, and millions more supporting right-wing extremists in Latin America and Europe. Indefinite imprisonment or mass executions are both equally unfeasible as solutions for when we collectively pullour heads out of our asses as humans and go "Oh shit, we really fucked up with this fascism stuff, again. What do we do now?"
Where did I say that he was pro-Trump? I said that he believed medical misinformation. He had conservative leanings, but he didn't vote for him. He fell down a different rabbit hole.
You know, that was a bad assumption on my part commenting on an article about conservatives and their conspiratorial views, but it still just changes the specifics of things, rather than the grand picture, as your uncle still didn't live in a vacuum. The vaccine skepticism and other nonsense still made things worse for everyone, and caused needless deaths, aside from your uncle's. I get that it can be harsh for those who personally knew an individual, but you can't ignore the impact that line of thinking has on everyone else around them and pull out the surprised PIkachu gif when people are less than sympathetic towards them.
Personally, I had to deal with those sorts of yokels yelling at me and being jackasses because I was wearing a face mask in the fall of 2020, actively following up on the health issues that arose after I had the OG Covid and was left unable to walk more than two blocks from my apartment without being completely exhausted, and had to deal with my body deciding that it was an excellent time to develop an autoimmune disease and nerve damage. I'd be yelled at to take off "that face diaper" because Covid isn't real, and vaccines are fake, blah blah blah, from the same sort of people who were all in for Trump, so I've got a bit of a bias there. Still don't have much sympathy for them, though.
As someone else pointed out, they had access to the same information as the rest of us, and chose to go with the dumbest possible conclusions they could draw, yelling "Fake new!" and "Do your own research!" to the rest of us desperately screaming at them to knock that shit off, get with the program and stop actively making an ongoing pandemic worse for themselves and those around them. They decided that they and their misinformation monger(s) of choice knew better than the rest of the world, and now we all have to live with the consequences of it.
They fell for a scam. That doesn’t merit the death sentence.
Agree. The sad fact is there have been plenty of mistakes made throughout history that can often serve as a kernel of truth to make a lie just believable enough. Given historical context within the U.S. (for example Tuskegee experiments), and the fact that even in the last decade we've uncovered more cases of unethical human experimentation by both the government and private companies (MK Ultra, social media manipulation of users emotions), we really should be asking why more isn't being done by leaders to: 1. Publicly acknowledge some very big mistakes, 2. Create ongoing consequences for the people who did this unethical bullshit. As in, ongoing financial penalties/compensations for victims and their families/communities, and demanding more transparency from these agencies and businesses... Instead of allowing them to just continue operating as normal, essentially tax free with zero transparency while pretending we should all just say thank you.
Idk is expecting the bare minimum from the people we trust (and PAY) to create and enforce laws and policy really too far fetched?
I know whenever I read some crazy MAHA bullshit coming from DHHS in 2026 implying I should be depending on raw milk for my own health instead of vaccinations, I think about the fact that A. Obviously this is a once trusted source of information I can no longer trust, B. The damage currently being done to public trust isn't going to disappear overnight if/when fascism leaves office, C. The current damage is compounded on top of a lot of previous damage our government never took the time to actually acknowledge and try to repair. D. I doubt anybody in this administration will face consequences for the damage they're doing, but there will be ongoing consequences to public health and safety for decades if not generations. And that's kind of their overarching goal.
Tldr: It's valid to be angry at people for making poor choices, but they're still people. I'm more angry at the system that failed them and is continuing to fail all of us by not demanding accountability from the agencies/corporations/individuals who knew what they were doing was wrong, but did it anyway because they believed/trusted that even if they got caught, any consequences/penalities would be insignificant.
A couple I knew in college, basically they'd been together since elementary school, moved to rural Minnesota to live their newfound conservative principles. When COVID hit, they were vocally anti-vaccine and antimask, even crusading to ban masks from their little community.
The whole family got sick, and the husband died on a government-provided respirator. The wife and her grown kids still blame Biden.
But most subscribe to an ideology that is becoming more and more akin to Nazism.
But yeah, there are people of all sorts that are just weird about vaccines and doctors and it may have nothing to do with their political beliefs. People believing that all anti-vaxxers are MAGA Nazis is just another thing MAGA Nazis have ruined for us.
But there was help for people like this uncle. There were massive campaigns to address vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID, to which they collectively said "No thanks, I did my own research." What were we supposed to do, set up reeducation camps and forcibly round them up and ship them off? I can't really see that being a viable solution.
There was help. Still is. These people have agency and the same access to information you and I do. If anyone believes something in spite of the available information it's because they want to. They're just dumb, but this kinda dumb kills other people too, not just themselves.
I think it needs to be said that the timing of this study is relevant. 30+ years ago, it may have said that liberals die more often for the same reason. The woo woo healing crystals hippy to MAHA pipeline is very real, and it has exactly the same cause.
It's the same as conspiracy theorists. Gives you a belief you're smarter than everyone else by knowing something they don't. Which is why both tend to go against whatever the more prevalent political ideology is at the time.
There weren't disparities by political alignment 30 years ago, though.
we draw on... the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health... which has tracked a nationally representative cohort of people who were adolescents in the 1990s... over the course of their lifetimes... includes a measure of political beliefs: self-reported liberal–conservative placement.
We find that conservative Americans in this cohort, who were about as healthy as liberals in the early 2010s, experienced worsening health through the 2010s and higher mortality in the early 2020s. Roughly half of this new health gap is due to people changing their ideology over time, with new entrants to the conservative coalition being less healthy than new liberals. But another sizeable share is due to people who were already liberal or conservative diverging more in health over time...
By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher... This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010.
It was a big slap in the face when I learned (about a decade ago) the "hippes" were all bigots around here, using be a dead head as an excuse to be a drug addict.
One goal of the study was to separate external vs internal causes, that is things like car accidents and violence vs heart attacks and diabetes.
The gap appeared not just in those who identified long-term with either side but with those who flipped from one side to the other. Those who went right to left and left to right had better or worse outcomes respectively. The other factors that correlated with the gap the most were income, insurance, education then religiosity and marriage. Race, ethnicity and gender were the least correlated. Those who identified as moderates at some point correlated the least. Marriage and religiosity tend to correlate with longer lives (religion due to social support).
The negative coefficients in the first years of all-cause deaths show that liberals died at rates higher than or similar to conservatives in the early 2000s, although the coefficients do not statistically differ from zero. However, by 2020–2022, more conservative respondents (as measured in waves 3 and 5) were significantly more likely to die than more liberal ones.
Although ideology became more predictive of health during the 2010s, the relationship between politics and mortality became consistently significant only after 2020...A strong relationship appears: participants who identify as very conservative were about 1.144 percentage points...more likely to die in 2020–2022 than those who were very liberal. Unlike in the biomarker analyses, moderate, conservative and very conservative respondents showed worse health - not only the most conservative.
...even conservatives and liberals living in the same county have different health outcomes. These data cast doubt on entirely policy-driven explanations for differences in health outcomes.
Existing research shows that while confidence in medicine was once non-partisan, Republicans began to show less confidence than Democrats during the pandemic...
While both groups (left and right) were just as likely to have visited their PCP right aligned were less likely to trust or follow their recommendations. Right aligned were more likely to go to the ER but again, less likely to trust or follow their recommendations.
Taken together, these results suggest that right-leaning Americans - as measured by their vote choice, partisanship and to a lesser extent their ideology - are less willing to visit, trust and adhere to the advice of their PCPs. This is true even among people with chronic conditions that require regular contact with the medical system for management and appears across a variety of outcomes unrelated to care for COVID-19.
It is nice to think that this would be a trend but when you start from a poor conservative family there are very good chances that you didn't have education, emotional support and was surrounded by religious fanatics, consequently you will just propagate the circle.
This wouldn't bother me so much if these same people are inflicting this bullshit on their children. If you want to kill yourself by being an idiot that's fine, but don't drag the innocent into it.
I knew at least 10 Conservative people who are now dead because of their devotion to the prosperity gospel. Problem is, once they were too sick for it to matter, they begged for medical attention, which you and I paid for.
thats why the gop is obsessed with birthing more conservative: slash education funding, block sex ed, indoctrinate via manosphere, anti-abortions,,,etc.
Man, I was wondering why there were so many. They're so stupid I would have thought they would die out by accidentally putting their heads into wood chippers or something. Guess I was right, it's just taking a little longer.
Really wish you guys would stop subscribing to eugenics as an own against fascists. I know you're gonna say it isn't, because you guys always do, but the obvious joke here is that they're stupid and make stupid decisions because they are stupid and are purged from the collective genepool because they are stupid. Do you seriously not see the problem with reproducing the notion that political and cultural forces are in fact consistent with the natural world, or that people who are "stupid" are weak and unfit to be part of human evolution?
Yes, anti-science beliefs are not a sign of scientific (or emotional) literacy, and the people who refuse medical science on the basis of politics likely do not understand either topic very well. It is worth noting that the recent Ebola outbreak in the DRC was met with violence from locals who did not trust the medical institution (and this has happened before), which also results from a misunderstanding of what that institution is and how it works: https://www.npr.org/2026/05/29/g-s1-124359/ebola-outbreak-trust-death-burial-democratic-republic-congo. Their mistrust is also earned by centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and decades of capitalization on the material and political insecurities in the DRC.
There is certainly good reason to attribute more responsibility to privileged white people in the US imperial metropole, but your joke makes the exact opposite point, which is that people who are too "stupid" to accept medical science are naturally inferior to those who do. Can you see the problem with taking that assertion for granted as a "joke?"
Yes. I give a shit about challenging racism, genocide, or any other forms of naturalized violence under colonialism and capitalism. Apathy is for liberals.
Hey... if you think choosing RFK's "scientific" advice is being illiterate when it was clearly a political stance who am i to judge... you're wasting your keyboard though, i have absolutely no sympathy for those who show none and applaud any moron who thinks drinking bleach will cleanse COVID because some incompetent businessman - not a doctor - said so.
Love that you couldn't even control yourself long enough to read up to how this connects to racism and colonialism and decided instead to admit that you don't care if you advocate for white supremacy to own the MAGAts.
It's fine to call them stupid, dummy, it's bad to assert that intelligence is naturalized and unfit members of society deserve to be purged from existence. News flash: that is anti-science (and science and anti-science are both political btw), dicknuts.
Older & conservative folks who use nicotine seem to smoke cigarettes at a far higher rate than other groups who tend to go for options with less health impacts or simply don't use at all. Again, this is anecdotal, but this is where I see biggest disparity in death rates in my personal life.
Although drugs and alcohol are a tit-for-tat mixed bag because it's such a complex issue, in my experience, older, hard-right, conservative men have a very high incidence of heavy drinking and/or hard drug use that is probably only rivaled by younger underprivileged and over privileged adults. I don't really see a lot of middle ground in that group either, it's like they don't drink at all or they drink very heavily, very little in between. And to top it off, in a lot of circles, conservative drug/alcohol users have to hide it because it's not "socially acceptable" which seems like it makes the problem so much worse and the health outcomes much more dire. Liberal folks tend to be more open and forthcoming about it, and also things like mental health medications, and although heavy drinking is heavy drinking, when you don't have to hide it, that does make it a bit less stressful.
There's been a relatively recent, sudden, and fairly massive adoption of "all-natural" ideology in conservative circles. Raw milk. No vaccines. Pseudo-science medical care / medicine. Doctors "don't know nothing". This seems to be what the article is leaning towards. And once again, older, conservative men trend higher towards ignoring their health issues and "toughing it out" when they do have real problems, leading to worse outcomes. So, no big surprise if it shows up as a higher death rate in that group.
I don't know the exact scientific definition of death rate, but I assume this is something that's corrected for age. A lot of my examples seem to focus on older conservatives, I'm guessing that this phenomenon is seen across all age groups? I've only known 2 younger people (in their 20s) who died from covid. They were conservatives and no they weren't vaccinated. One of them believed the vaccine would make him sterile and the other likely caught covid at that dude's funeral. I know of a 17/18 year old girl from a conservative family that died from fentanyl laced drugs as well, but I don't know what her political leanings were. Still, even if she was liberal leaning, that'd be 2-to-1 just in my small circle.
I'd also add that a good proportion of the MAGA crowd are older males in rural areas that are poorly served by mental health, or healthcare in general. Left leanings tend to increase in urban areas. As you pointed out the culture is to "tough it out". If they are single that is even worse as married couples usually have a spouse pushing the other to get health issues addressed. They also have a higher likelihood of suicide via firearms.
I'd say the hippie element that identifies with the left likely doesn't live as long either since they share similar attitudes towards science and medicine and a love of conspiracies.
These stories make me feel a little better, then a remember that herd immunity is a thing and these people are straight up blasé about their relatives choking to death from something preventable.
Herd immunity also works if you just shoot the deranged ones right?
"By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher (P = 0.021; 95% confidence interval (CI), (0.18, 2.11)). This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010."
I am spanish and i've never paid for meds XD we have free healthcare here.
Here we have another issues like not having enough doctors working there, so usually we cant get surgeries as easy as you do and here we dont get paid as you do so if i have to pay for a surgery i have spanish wage of spain but nearly american costs (kinda exagerated but really there is no good proportion, do a conversion if you wanna find out).
I don't want to be that guy but... that's just because Conservatives skew older. And they've been skewing older for generations.
The right wing propaganda machine is geared towards insulting young people and pandering to old people. Consequently, independents and unaligned voters and squishy liberals skew conservative as they get older.
But we had this dynamic under Bush. We had it under Reagan. We had it under Nixon. You need to run all the way back to FDR to find an elder plurality for the liberal party. And that was only because of Dixiecrat southerners trading on progressive economics to sustain their apartheid social order.
Bigotry skews older. 70s feminists become 90s Girl Bosses become 10s TERFs. Millennial rainbow techbros become Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. Your parents go insane from Fox News playing in the background for twenty years.
Oh man, I wish you had actually read the article and seen how they already factored that in, because nothing you wrote is relevant to the actual study referenced here.
But this is the internet, where you don't have to read a thing in order to mansplain that thing back to everyone else.
The salient point you missed: This is a study of ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER TIME.
"We find that conservative Americans in this cohort, who were about as healthy as liberals in the early 2010s, experienced worsening health through the 2010s and higher mortality in the early 2020s. Roughly half of this new health gap is due to people changing their ideology over time, with new entrants to the conservative coalition being less healthy than new liberals. But another sizeable share is due to people who were already liberal or conservative diverging more in health over time. Changes in the socio-economics of the liberal and conservative coalitions—including education, income and insurance status—contribute to both processes.
"By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher (P = 0.021; 95% confidence interval (CI), (0.18, 2.11)).
"This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010."
The article discusses tracking a group of people over time who are of the same age and how their health diverges.
To understand the relationship between politics and health in recent decades, we draw on individual-level medical data and death records from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health (referred to as the Add Health survey), which has tracked a nationally representative cohort of people who were adolescents in the 1990s (most born between 1976 and 1982) over the course of their lifetimes16. Unusually among health studies, Add Health includes a measure of political beliefs: self-reported liberal–conservative placement. It thus captures individual political orientation and medically validated health measures (for example, haemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) levels) and their changes over time, and individual-level cause-of-death data that extend into the COVID-19 era.
Even if your views don't change significantly with age, the mere act of moving from progressive activism to defending gained ground from backslide is inherently conservative.
The only way to stay progressive is to continuously advocate for the positions of youth, even when you don't understand or agree with them.
Out of the 5 political parties offered to me, only 1 supports not criminalizing me for owning an “Assault Style Firearm”. Take a wild guess which country.
It's good to know your mind is so weak that you let internet vitriol convince you to vote for felons, rapists, and pedophiles who are currently robbing us blind and infringing the shit out of our rights.
GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.
Here's some educational infromation for you, loser.
223 Comments
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 152 pts · 37d
This is literally natural selection in action. Do not interfere. They want to do everything on their own, no problem. But no hypocrisy. Make your choice and stand by it come what may.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 37d
Nature gives no fucks about MAGAt feelings
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 37d
village604@adultswim.fan · 33 pts · 37d
The problem is their choices often affect others
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 36d
Why do I need a vaccine if we've got herd immunity? Betcha didnt think of that!
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 37d
It's not natural selection if they breed before dying, and I think the conservatives are still having more children earlier then liberals because they think God said condoms and abortion are evil.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 36d
If they don’t vaccinate their kids, then evolution is back on the table, and not just for the pathogens.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Conservative types get balance by taking fascism to it's genocidal end against non-conservatives
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
It's not happening fast enough. I think they need help.
ashenone@lemmy.ml · 81 pts · 37d
Lol, lmao even
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 37d
Let natural selection do its job.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 37d
Just sucks for their kids.
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 37d
The children would likely grow up to be uneducated conservatives too. It's better this way for everyone involved.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 36d
Imagine publicly advocating for the deaths of children via preventable and gruesome illness.
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 36d
I'm not advocating for it though?
I'm simply stating the obvious.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 36d
You said it was better, but you didn't say it should happen.
Huh.
Yep, that's not advocating. Checks out. Carry on.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Nah just advocating for the obvious consequences of their specific actions. Cause and effect.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Most of their kids end up just like them. It's matrix rules, until they're out they may as well be agents.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 36d
They likely still only die after having kids, so natural selection has really no effect here.
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 37d
My mom died in November 2020 due to something like an upper respiratory infection. Antibiotics could have saved her, but she chose vitamins and colloidal silver. She'd been part of this christofascism cult since the 90s
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 36d
I understand how you feel. I lost an uncle the same way during covid. He was a good man. He didn't deserve to die.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 36d
Good people can be tricked, just like bad people. It's a goddamn shame.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 36d
Someone I loved very much died because he thought the Covid vaccine would kill him. Before he fell down the alt-medicine rabbit hole, he was one of my favorite uncles. He was a good guy.
He had four kids, all still in grade school, and a wife who's now a single mom. He didn't deserve to become a casualty of a confidence scam. He deserved to live. It pisses me off when people look at the death toll of a believable lie and gloat about how it's removing the 'right' people.
They fell for a scam. That doesn't merit the death sentence.
Edit: I didn't think that publicly showing some vulnerability by talking about a dead loved one was such a god damned controversial take. Humans are a social species. We are hardwired to trust our peers because it is part of how we evolved to survive.
When that evolutionary advantage is exploited by con artists and cult leaders, it is difficult to fight. No one is immune to believing a lie. No matter how smart, sensitive, or cynical, we have the same fundamental weakness; we trust our in-group before we trust an unknown outlier. Consider the last time you found out that a fundamental part of your worldview turned out to be part of a broader deception, and how difficult it was to overcome that in spite of the mountain of obvious evidence.
I asked for people to remember that, and have empathy. Nothing more. The reason? The only way to convince someone to get out of a cult is to give them some empathy, and wait. To quietly demonstrate, through sustained neutral interactions, that a piece of their worldview doesn't work. That strategy fails when you alienate them. Alienating them validates their conditioning and drives them deeper into the deception and the alternative reality it offers.
Someone you love believes something that isn't true. And eventually, they'll run into evidence that denies their view. For my uncle, that opportunity to change his mind came too late. Lies kill people. That is a fact. Have a god damn heart, and be patient. Unraveling your whole world is a terrifying undertaking, and they need a hand when that moment comes, not hatred..
Is everyone who falls for a scam--whether it's crypto, alternative medicine, or MAGA--a good person? Hell no. Should you make that effort for everyone? Again, no. All I'm asking is that if someone you love falls for a trap, try to pull them out of it before it's too late.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 36d
Nah, he had access to the same information as the rest of us, but his obsession with Trump was more important to him than his family. He worked hard to earn his death, and his family should resent him for the rest of their lives for abandoning them.
And so should you. If Trump had started rounding up and murdering immigrants and dissidents, he would have cheered for it. Don't deny it, he literally died for Trump. He was a bad and stupid person, who died because of his own poor choices.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 36d
It’s wild. Americans being unwilling to enact even SOCIAL consequences on MAGA garbage is exactly why they are where they are. These people need to be cut off without a second thought.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 36d
I'm glad no one you cared about died because they got suckered into following a cult. I'm glad you don't have to wonder if they'll get hurt because they've been brainwashed. I'm glad you don't have to wonder who fed them such poisonous lies, and fight to try and cure it.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 35d
No one I know died because no one I know is that stupid. And that actually includes my MAGA dad who I don't talk to anymore, but I think that's because he spent his life working in a hospital, and that allowed him to avoid falling for THAT part of the MAGA scam.
I'm not going to feel sorry for assholes that choose to ignore advice from highly educated professionals in favor of listening to felons, rapists, and pedophiles instead.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 36d
Cool. Very noble and high minded, aren’t you?.
People like you are the reason the US is where it is.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 36d
Don't you know that the US and Canada are twins? Don't you see that your country is going the exact same way ours is? Those are your friends and family who are reading the same trash, maybe wedging its way into the same cracks in their logic that killed someone I loved.
If it hasn't happened, it will. And I hope when it does, you try to save them too.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 36d
Yes, I know that your inaction is likely to make this our problem eventually too.
And when it does, any “friends and family” espousing that garbage gets cut off AT BEST. If they’re fortunate, they’ll get to keep all their teeth. And if they decide that conspiracy theories are more attractive than, you know, staying alive, good riddance.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Looking through your comment history, you seem to make a career out of blaming and mocking victims. I have to wonder who hurt you so badly that you spend all day hurting other people. How does using your trauma like it's a keyboard assault weapon help your cause?
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 36d
Yes... too many people with empathy and beliefs rooted in complex first hand experience. That's why the U.S. is where it is...
Definitely nothing to do with people jumping to conclusion driven by black and white thinking
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
Cool. You live in your grey area where Nazis have some good qualities and maybe you can reach them if you overlook the fact that they’re absolute garbage. That’s definitely stopped fascists before.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 35d
I don't want to accuse you of pulling something out of your ass just to box me into a false dichotomy, but I also don't recall typing any of that?
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 36d
Pretty fucked up your making fun of someone who lost a loved one. Completely ignorant to think something like that couldn't happen to you, unless you don't have loved ones, dick.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 36d
When maga stop wanting me dead I'll start caring when they die.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 35d
Preach.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 36d
I’m not making fun of anyone, I’m criticizing someone. For the things they’re saying.
Does experiencing grief (even for science-denying fascist enablers) equal immunity from criticism where you’re from?
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 35d
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Really? You met him?
He kissed your head and grinned when you talked about your favorite superheroes? He picked you up and swung you around on his arms with his own kids, singing songs about monkeys in trees?
He held you when you cried? He held your mother when she cried?
You make a lot of assumptions for some faceless ass on the deep dark depths of the internet.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 36d
Hitler loved dogs and children. He also slaughtered millions of them.
I didn't know your uncle personally, but I know he was a MAGA who was so dug in that he literally put his obsession for Trump ahead of his love for his family, and died for it, abandoning his 4 kids. Anyone who puts their politics or religion ahead of their love for their own children is a sociopathic loser.
What else do I need to know about him? Nothing he possibly did is going to redeem him for being an unapologetic MAGA sociopath to the very end.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
You're an asshole
Calling someone you've never met a sociopath while demonstrating a complete lack of empathy is certainly ironic.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Health conspiracies predate trump and will continue long after him.
They weren't always right coded either. The granola health nuts were left leaning conspiracy nuts for decades.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Lot of assumptions. First and foremost that he liked Trump.
I could make a lot of assumptions about you.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
You and people like you are the reason maga rose to power to begin with. But go ahead, Keep posting about your moral superiority online, I'm sure that will fix everything.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
MAGA rose to power because they are gullible bigots and a rich bigot came along and played to those weaknesses to make some $$$.
sleet01@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 36d
But it wasn't believable.
No one should have believed it.
People falling for the "scam" aren't fooled, they are buying in to an ideology that they want to support.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 6 pts · 36d
You know, if this scam wasn't both easily avoidable and actively calling for the imprisonment and/or death of various groups of people within the country, I might be a bit more sympathetic. I know it can be tough watching someone you know fall for it and not being able to stop it, but getting mad at internet strangers who say that MAGA followers got what they should have seen coming to them has the same vibes as going "But my uncle was a good guy before he fell for all this Nazi stuff Hitler is saying, he didn't deserve this," while overlooking that they volunteered to be a guard at one of the camps.
Nobody is forcing people at gun point to go MAGA at present,, and adopting and promoting that ideology has real impacts on other peoples' lives, which currently include arbitrary imprisonment, an inhumane death camp in El Salvador and Trump's brown shirts beating and killing people in the streets. So it might suck on a personal level, but who are you to tell someone who lost their access to abortion, medical care and/or the ability to just live a normal life if they happen to be trans or gay in the wrong state, or even someone they know being rounded up by ICE that they're bad people when they say, "Well, good thing another MAGA person died, that's one less of them fucking up my life," in a situation like this?
Again, it sucks for you that you lost your uncle, but he didn't live in a vacuum and the ideology he adopted has real, severe consequences for everyone else who has to deal with it.
With that said, I do think we need to give some serious thought to deprogramming these folks and reintegrating them with civilization in the near future. "Screw them all, let's just kill them," is hardly going ti be a viable strategy when we have to face our own period of de-Nazification in the future and could be helpful in actually getting some off the indoctrination pipeline and reducing their numbers in the present. There are millions of people who have openly embraced fascism in the US, and millions more supporting right-wing extremists in Latin America and Europe. Indefinite imprisonment or mass executions are both equally unfeasible as solutions for when we collectively pullour heads out of our asses as humans and go "Oh shit, we really fucked up with this fascism stuff, again. What do we do now?"
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
Where did I say that he was pro-Trump? I said that he believed medical misinformation. He had conservative leanings, but he didn't vote for him. He fell down a different rabbit hole.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 6 pts · 36d
You know, that was a bad assumption on my part commenting on an article about conservatives and their conspiratorial views, but it still just changes the specifics of things, rather than the grand picture, as your uncle still didn't live in a vacuum. The vaccine skepticism and other nonsense still made things worse for everyone, and caused needless deaths, aside from your uncle's. I get that it can be harsh for those who personally knew an individual, but you can't ignore the impact that line of thinking has on everyone else around them and pull out the surprised PIkachu gif when people are less than sympathetic towards them.
Personally, I had to deal with those sorts of yokels yelling at me and being jackasses because I was wearing a face mask in the fall of 2020, actively following up on the health issues that arose after I had the OG Covid and was left unable to walk more than two blocks from my apartment without being completely exhausted, and had to deal with my body deciding that it was an excellent time to develop an autoimmune disease and nerve damage. I'd be yelled at to take off "that face diaper" because Covid isn't real, and vaccines are fake, blah blah blah, from the same sort of people who were all in for Trump, so I've got a bit of a bias there. Still don't have much sympathy for them, though.
As someone else pointed out, they had access to the same information as the rest of us, and chose to go with the dumbest possible conclusions they could draw, yelling "Fake new!" and "Do your own research!" to the rest of us desperately screaming at them to knock that shit off, get with the program and stop actively making an ongoing pandemic worse for themselves and those around them. They decided that they and their misinformation monger(s) of choice knew better than the rest of the world, and now we all have to live with the consequences of it.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 36d
This is why i call the conservative/alternative medicine mindset a "brain worm". If unprepared, you can get infected.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 36d
Agree. The sad fact is there have been plenty of mistakes made throughout history that can often serve as a kernel of truth to make a lie just believable enough. Given historical context within the U.S. (for example Tuskegee experiments), and the fact that even in the last decade we've uncovered more cases of unethical human experimentation by both the government and private companies (MK Ultra, social media manipulation of users emotions), we really should be asking why more isn't being done by leaders to: 1. Publicly acknowledge some very big mistakes, 2. Create ongoing consequences for the people who did this unethical bullshit. As in, ongoing financial penalties/compensations for victims and their families/communities, and demanding more transparency from these agencies and businesses... Instead of allowing them to just continue operating as normal, essentially tax free with zero transparency while pretending we should all just say thank you.
Idk is expecting the bare minimum from the people we trust (and PAY) to create and enforce laws and policy really too far fetched?
I know whenever I read some crazy MAHA bullshit coming from DHHS in 2026 implying I should be depending on raw milk for my own health instead of vaccinations, I think about the fact that A. Obviously this is a once trusted source of information I can no longer trust, B. The damage currently being done to public trust isn't going to disappear overnight if/when fascism leaves office, C. The current damage is compounded on top of a lot of previous damage our government never took the time to actually acknowledge and try to repair. D. I doubt anybody in this administration will face consequences for the damage they're doing, but there will be ongoing consequences to public health and safety for decades if not generations. And that's kind of their overarching goal.
Tldr: It's valid to be angry at people for making poor choices, but they're still people. I'm more angry at the system that failed them and is continuing to fail all of us by not demanding accountability from the agencies/corporations/individuals who knew what they were doing was wrong, but did it anyway because they believed/trusted that even if they got caught, any consequences/penalities would be insignificant.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
A couple I knew in college, basically they'd been together since elementary school, moved to rural Minnesota to live their newfound conservative principles. When COVID hit, they were vocally anti-vaccine and antimask, even crusading to ban masks from their little community.
The whole family got sick, and the husband died on a government-provided respirator. The wife and her grown kids still blame Biden.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Well they can't blame themselves. That's a sign of weakness!!!
liuther9@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Its sad but inevitable. Gotta suck it up
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 35d
They've been falling for the scam so long that it's nobody's fault but their own now.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 36d
He wasn’t a good guy, and the world is a better place without him.
kofe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 36d
Imagine having no empathy, as if that will make the world a better place.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
Nazis don’t get empathy. They deserve to be put underground.
kofe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
No idea what this sentiment has to do with my reply. Not everyone that refuses the covid vaccine or uses alt medicine is a nazi.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 35d
True.
But most subscribe to an ideology that is becoming more and more akin to Nazism.
But yeah, there are people of all sorts that are just weird about vaccines and doctors and it may have nothing to do with their political beliefs. People believing that all anti-vaxxers are MAGA Nazis is just another thing MAGA Nazis have ruined for us.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 35d
Eh. Our conservative leaders are telling us empathy is a weakness (literally).
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 36d
I guess it depends if he was just consuming the misinformation or if he was actively spreading the misinformation
Sidhean@piefed.social · 3 pts · 36d
World woulda been fucking better if there was help for the dude's uncle. Please don't be so callous.
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · 7 pts · 36d
But there was help for people like this uncle. There were massive campaigns to address vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID, to which they collectively said "No thanks, I did my own research." What were we supposed to do, set up reeducation camps and forcibly round them up and ship them off? I can't really see that being a viable solution.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Ironically RFK has said he wants what amount to reeducation camps.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
There was help. Still is. These people have agency and the same access to information you and I do. If anyone believes something in spite of the available information it's because they want to. They're just dumb, but this kinda dumb kills other people too, not just themselves.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Go fuck yourself. Feel free to talk shit about your own family. Don't talk shit about mine.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 37d
Good. They deserve that.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 37d
Accelerate the rate, pls
lyrial@anarchist.nexus · 24 pts · 36d
I think it needs to be said that the timing of this study is relevant. 30+ years ago, it may have said that liberals die more often for the same reason. The woo woo healing crystals hippy to MAHA pipeline is very real, and it has exactly the same cause.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 36d
It's the same as conspiracy theorists. Gives you a belief you're smarter than everyone else by knowing something they don't. Which is why both tend to go against whatever the more prevalent political ideology is at the time.
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 36d
There weren't disparities by political alignment 30 years ago, though.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 36d
It was a big slap in the face when I learned (about a decade ago) the "hippes" were all bigots around here, using be a dead head as an excuse to be a drug addict.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 37d
Some takeaways from the study:
One goal of the study was to separate external vs internal causes, that is things like car accidents and violence vs heart attacks and diabetes.
The gap appeared not just in those who identified long-term with either side but with those who flipped from one side to the other. Those who went right to left and left to right had better or worse outcomes respectively. The other factors that correlated with the gap the most were income, insurance, education then religiosity and marriage. Race, ethnicity and gender were the least correlated. Those who identified as moderates at some point correlated the least. Marriage and religiosity tend to correlate with longer lives (religion due to social support).
While both groups (left and right) were just as likely to have visited their PCP right aligned were less likely to trust or follow their recommendations. Right aligned were more likely to go to the ER but again, less likely to trust or follow their recommendations.
HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
Thank you 💜
CluelessCalls@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 36d
Die faster.
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 37d
Who has a higher birth rate? Libs or Conservatives?
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 35 pts · 37d
Conservatives love their teen pregnancy so... them.
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 37d
Conservatives.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 22 pts · 37d
But a lot of their kids will grow up and abandon the conservative bullshit.
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 37d
And many will die young as a result of their parents’ beliefs.
Amaterasu@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
It is nice to think that this would be a trend but when you start from a poor conservative family there are very good chances that you didn't have education, emotional support and was surrounded by religious fanatics, consequently you will just propagate the circle.
KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 37d
Fortunately, concervatism is not a biologically inheritable trait.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 6 pts · 37d
Yeah … it’s learned from your parents
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 36d
Some break free
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 4 pts · 36d
Some
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 37d
Birth rates tend to decrease with education...
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 36d
Finally, some good fucking news
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 36d
This is one way to make America healthy again.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 36d
Yep. If you cull the weak fast enough, you never have more than a handful of sick people at a time. Mom taught me that!
Etterra@discuss.online · 20 pts · 36d
This wouldn't bother me so much if these same people are inflicting this bullshit on their children. If you want to kill yourself by being an idiot that's fine, but don't drag the innocent into it.
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 36d
Can we make this a law?
Partisans have to follow ideological discipline... if conservative, you must:
not get vaccines
Not have abortions
Not be allowed subsidized food or health care
Follow all tenets of your Christian religion
Etc.....
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 36d
We can call it the "Practice what you preach" law
gian@lemmy.grys.it · 0 pts · 35d
As long as also the liberals follow the same law practing what they preach, it would be interesting to see who will survive in the end.
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
I fully agree, but am having trouble coming up with examples for the liberals like i could for the conservatives...
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
This isn't even a debate. Liberals, because they listen to scientific experts. And they're more likely to achieve a higher eductaion.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
I knew at least 10 Conservative people who are now dead because of their devotion to the prosperity gospel. Problem is, once they were too sick for it to matter, they begged for medical attention, which you and I paid for.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 35d
and no masks by MDs when they get surgery.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Lol. There wouldn't be a single conservative left in existence.
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 36d
If you're a racist religious fascist and think an ivermectin enema will cure your polio, I'm ok with this. You do you.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 37d
Who would have thought that having people like RFK sowing distrust in medicine would lead to people dying.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 36d
Two words: Vaccine. Denial.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 36d
natural selection
Agent641@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 35d
Unfortunately they are also breeding more
Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 35d
Political belief isn't inherited.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 34d
Not genetically but there's a huge tribal component.
wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 35d
When raised by the willfully stupid, the turd doesn’t fall far from the asshole.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 35d
Why are you still trying to convince these idiots medicine is good? Just let them die
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
Just suck on this pine cone until it dissolves. You don't need liberal chemistry.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 13 pts · 37d
Not fast enough.
404found@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 36d
Probably got hit with some huge unexpected medical bills and started avoiding doctors since they didn't trust them anyway.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 36d
The problem is they're trying to bring everyone else with them. Guns, covid, fossil fuels, cults, etc.
homes@piefed.world · 12 pts · 37d
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 36d
This is only satisfactory if they die before reproducing
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 36d
Well since they are all for raping children, this is unfortunately not happening.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Well if they have children and see that they died from a purely preventable disease it might be a good thing.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 35d
So, some problems do solve themselves.
LeftLeaningFreedomFighters@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
dan1101@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 34d
Maybe eventually, but not fast enough.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 37d
Thank god. Can we get them to eat hemlock with their horse dewormer or something?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 36d
Just like during COVID. Maybe there's a horsepaste shortage.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Neigh.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 36d
Do not interrupt your enemy where they are making a mistake.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 37d
diabetes is liberal propaganda
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 36d
"When the enemy is conducting themselves in error, do not interrupt them." -Sun Tzu
Chronal@piefed.social · 11 pts · 37d
roofuskit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 36d
Funny meme of conservative prick who assaults his employees.
kibblebits@quokk.au · 10 pts · 37d
Not fast enough.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 36d
thats why the gop is obsessed with birthing more conservative: slash education funding, block sex ed, indoctrinate via manosphere, anti-abortions,,,etc.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 37d
In other news, people who dislike seatbelts die earlier in accidents.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 36d
Nice
CitizenKong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 35d
I bet rich conservatives aren't. Because for them it's just a grift and they will get the newest stemcell medicine as fast as possible regardless.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
It's kinda sad or funny or something.
comeonitsnotlike@feddit.nu · 0 pts · 35d
To quote the Orange: "It is what it is."
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 36d
Man, I was wondering why there were so many. They're so stupid I would have thought they would die out by accidentally putting their heads into wood chippers or something. Guess I was right, it's just taking a little longer.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 35d
They're not dying, they're just earning Darwin Awards.
iglou@programming.dev · 2 pts · 35d
Winners until the very end!
orioler25@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Really wish you guys would stop subscribing to eugenics as an own against fascists. I know you're gonna say it isn't, because you guys always do, but the obvious joke here is that they're stupid and make stupid decisions because they are stupid and are purged from the collective genepool because they are stupid. Do you seriously not see the problem with reproducing the notion that political and cultural forces are in fact consistent with the natural world, or that people who are "stupid" are weak and unfit to be part of human evolution?
Yes, anti-science beliefs are not a sign of scientific (or emotional) literacy, and the people who refuse medical science on the basis of politics likely do not understand either topic very well. It is worth noting that the recent Ebola outbreak in the DRC was met with violence from locals who did not trust the medical institution (and this has happened before), which also results from a misunderstanding of what that institution is and how it works: https://www.npr.org/2026/05/29/g-s1-124359/ebola-outbreak-trust-death-burial-democratic-republic-congo. Their mistrust is also earned by centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and decades of capitalization on the material and political insecurities in the DRC.
There is certainly good reason to attribute more responsibility to privileged white people in the US imperial metropole, but your joke makes the exact opposite point, which is that people who are too "stupid" to accept medical science are naturally inferior to those who do. Can you see the problem with taking that assertion for granted as a "joke?"
TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 35d
I just don't give a shit anymore. Do u?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Yeah. This is where I'm at.
They burned through all my goodwill. And I really did used to have some set aside for them.
Now I really don't care if they die. Sounds like a them problem.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Yes. I give a shit about challenging racism, genocide, or any other forms of naturalized violence under colonialism and capitalism. Apathy is for liberals.
TootTootComingThru@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Okie dokie.
0x0@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 35d
Hey... if you think choosing RFK's "scientific" advice is being illiterate when it was clearly a political stance who am i to judge... you're wasting your keyboard though, i have absolutely no sympathy for those who show none and applaud any moron who thinks drinking bleach will cleanse COVID because some incompetent businessman - not a doctor - said so.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Love that you couldn't even control yourself long enough to read up to how this connects to racism and colonialism and decided instead to admit that you don't care if you advocate for white supremacy to own the MAGAts.
It's fine to call them stupid, dummy, it's bad to assert that intelligence is naturalized and unfit members of society deserve to be purged from existence. News flash: that is anti-science (and science and anti-science are both political btw), dicknuts.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 36d
That’s sad. I’d rather they learn to grow up and not be conservative. They shouldn’t die just because they’re foolish.
With the exception of the far-right white Christian nationalist Nazi types. I hope they die in droves.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 37d
Anecdotally speaking:
Older & conservative folks who use nicotine seem to smoke cigarettes at a far higher rate than other groups who tend to go for options with less health impacts or simply don't use at all. Again, this is anecdotal, but this is where I see biggest disparity in death rates in my personal life.
Although drugs and alcohol are a tit-for-tat mixed bag because it's such a complex issue, in my experience, older, hard-right, conservative men have a very high incidence of heavy drinking and/or hard drug use that is probably only rivaled by younger underprivileged and over privileged adults. I don't really see a lot of middle ground in that group either, it's like they don't drink at all or they drink very heavily, very little in between. And to top it off, in a lot of circles, conservative drug/alcohol users have to hide it because it's not "socially acceptable" which seems like it makes the problem so much worse and the health outcomes much more dire. Liberal folks tend to be more open and forthcoming about it, and also things like mental health medications, and although heavy drinking is heavy drinking, when you don't have to hide it, that does make it a bit less stressful.
There's been a relatively recent, sudden, and fairly massive adoption of "all-natural" ideology in conservative circles. Raw milk. No vaccines. Pseudo-science medical care / medicine. Doctors "don't know nothing". This seems to be what the article is leaning towards. And once again, older, conservative men trend higher towards ignoring their health issues and "toughing it out" when they do have real problems, leading to worse outcomes. So, no big surprise if it shows up as a higher death rate in that group.
I don't know the exact scientific definition of death rate, but I assume this is something that's corrected for age. A lot of my examples seem to focus on older conservatives, I'm guessing that this phenomenon is seen across all age groups? I've only known 2 younger people (in their 20s) who died from covid. They were conservatives and no they weren't vaccinated. One of them believed the vaccine would make him sterile and the other likely caught covid at that dude's funeral. I know of a 17/18 year old girl from a conservative family that died from fentanyl laced drugs as well, but I don't know what her political leanings were. Still, even if she was liberal leaning, that'd be 2-to-1 just in my small circle.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 37d
I'd also add that a good proportion of the MAGA crowd are older males in rural areas that are poorly served by mental health, or healthcare in general. Left leanings tend to increase in urban areas. As you pointed out the culture is to "tough it out". If they are single that is even worse as married couples usually have a spouse pushing the other to get health issues addressed. They also have a higher likelihood of suicide via firearms.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 37d
Sounds like a self-correcting problem.
FE80@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 35d
Make natural selection great again.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 36d
Its not a silver lining but its nice to hear anyway.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 36d
Fulfilling their Darwinian Imperative.
dizzle18@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 36d
That's a shame.
sen@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 36d
Not all conservatives I know are smokers but 99% of the smokers I know are conservative.
rmrf@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 36d
The race between premature death among the hubristic and ethics-driven depopulation among the aware intensifies; thrilling stuff .
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 36d
That's Darwinism
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
"we don't want to live in the hell we created"
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
ROFL!
portifornia@piefed.social · 5 pts · 37d
NM_Gringo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Oh, darn. Anyway...
ieGod@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 37d
Oh well. Anyway.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Sounds like nothing of value will be lost so.... 🤷♀️
dasrael@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 36d
Best to let this problem sort itself out.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 35d
Both of my conservative parents died because they ignored their doctors and thought they knew better than professionals.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
Oh, the regime will make sure we catch up. I'll give it another 5 years, modern medicine will be available only to the very rich.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 35d
5 years?
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 35d
Based.
Yliaster@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Problem is conservatives also pump more kids out, especially the religious ones iirc.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 37d
Good. Kill 'em all.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 37d
A friend of mine's dad died of COVID after the vaccine came out. It was hard to have any sympathy for that level of stupid.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 37d
Rough. Friend of mine's dad tried drinking bleach...his life is forever changed and not in a good way.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
I do not have the capacity to exhibit sympathy nor empathy towards anyone that is dumb enough to drink bleach for any reason.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 37d
I'd say the hippie element that identifies with the left likely doesn't live as long either since they share similar attitudes towards science and medicine and a love of conspiracies.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
There are a LOT fewer of them.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 37d
I am Jack's complete and total lack of surprise.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
These stories make me feel a little better, then a remember that herd immunity is a thing and these people are straight up blasé about their relatives choking to death from something preventable.
Herd immunity also works if you just shoot the deranged ones right?
TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 36d
Maybe "the great experiment" of letting everyone do and say whatever they want, wherever they want, isn't working out so well?
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 37d
A self correcting imbalance.
jaykrown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 35d
Good news.
MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Darwin would have called this “thinning the herd.”
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Actually that would be Herbert Spencer. Ironic, since Conservatives admire him. At least the ones who can read.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 37d
Ironic Star Wars meme.exe
silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 37d
very concerning news
lolcatnip@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 37d
How so?
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
mrodri89@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 36d
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
The "I Don't Give A Fuck About Anyone But Myself" crowd is dying at higher rates?
Well that's just, um, well.....you know.
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
"By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher (P = 0.021; 95% confidence interval (CI), (0.18, 2.11)). This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010."
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 35d
*in the USA.
I wonder if this applies in other places as well. Maybe more strongly in places with a two-party system?
th0maswaschosen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
I am spanish and i've never paid for meds XD we have free healthcare here.
Here we have another issues like not having enough doctors working there, so usually we cant get surgeries as easy as you do and here we dont get paid as you do so if i have to pay for a surgery i have spanish wage of spain but nearly american costs (kinda exagerated but really there is no good proportion, do a conversion if you wanna find out).
ddplf@szmer.info · 1 pts · 37d
You would think the race to the urns hasn't yet properly started, yet here we go
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
ooooooh, i love this for them!
tylersloeper@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 36d
Well the average conservative is 50 years old, and the average liberal is 35 years old (in the USA). That alone can explain a higher death rate.
MagicianWithABadPlan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
That’s accounted for. Read the study.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 36d
The average liberal in the USA IS conservative
tylersloeper@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 36d
Probably won’t get anywhere if no one can agree on defintions.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 36d
I don't want to be that guy but... that's just because Conservatives skew older. And they've been skewing older for generations.
The right wing propaganda machine is geared towards insulting young people and pandering to old people. Consequently, independents and unaligned voters and squishy liberals skew conservative as they get older.
But we had this dynamic under Bush. We had it under Reagan. We had it under Nixon. You need to run all the way back to FDR to find an elder plurality for the liberal party. And that was only because of Dixiecrat southerners trading on progressive economics to sustain their apartheid social order.
Bigotry skews older. 70s feminists become 90s Girl Bosses become 10s TERFs. Millennial rainbow techbros become Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. Your parents go insane from Fox News playing in the background for twenty years.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 36d
Oh man, I wish you had actually read the article and seen how they already factored that in, because nothing you wrote is relevant to the actual study referenced here.
But this is the internet, where you don't have to read a thing in order to mansplain that thing back to everyone else.
The salient point you missed: This is a study of ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER TIME.
"We find that conservative Americans in this cohort, who were about as healthy as liberals in the early 2010s, experienced worsening health through the 2010s and higher mortality in the early 2020s. Roughly half of this new health gap is due to people changing their ideology over time, with new entrants to the conservative coalition being less healthy than new liberals. But another sizeable share is due to people who were already liberal or conservative diverging more in health over time. Changes in the socio-economics of the liberal and conservative coalitions—including education, income and insurance status—contribute to both processes.
"By the 2020s, conservatives were dying at significantly higher rates than liberals, with the gap concentrated in internal causes (for example, heart disease, cancer and stroke). The divide since 2020 is substantial: while only 0.2% of ‘very liberal’ respondents died of internal causes between 2020 and 2022, the probability for people who identified as ‘very conservative’ was 1.14 percentage points higher (P = 0.021; 95% confidence interval (CI), (0.18, 2.11)).
"This gap is not limited to deaths from COVID-19 and is not reducible to demographic or geographic differences between the groups, nor is it a pure function of ageing: previous cohorts’ death patterns in older data did not show a similar correlation between health and ideology before 2010."
Next time, read the fucking article first.
feddylemmy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
The article discusses tracking a group of people over time who are of the same age and how their health diverges.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
I do believe that's part of it.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 36d
Good to see the other empathetic person here. Thanks, Weevil.
TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 36d
Even if your views don't change significantly with age, the mere act of moving from progressive activism to defending gained ground from backslide is inherently conservative.
The only way to stay progressive is to continuously advocate for the positions of youth, even when you don't understand or agree with them.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 35d
Every comment here praising people dying is why I vote conservative, yall are crazy.
derg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
Because conservatives would never wish anything bad to happen to lefties or anyone. Those lot are just full of love for the whole human race.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 35d
Which of the two conservative parties do you usually go with?
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 35d
Out of the 5 political parties offered to me, only 1 supports not criminalizing me for owning an “Assault Style Firearm”. Take a wild guess which country.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 35d
Of course your primary concern is which guns you can own.
Simpleton.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 35d
I prefer not to be criminally charged for property I’ve legally purchased.
You’re right, it’s quite simple.
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 35d
So you vote for the people who killed 14 million people by cutting USAID instead?
Sounds about right.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 35d
Not American therefore no, I didn’t vote for those people, MAGA is crazy and I wouldn’t support that.
comeonitsnotlike@feddit.nu · 2 pts · 35d
stfu Elon
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 35d
Almost as if this solidifies my previous statement, this is childish.
comeonitsnotlike@feddit.nu · 0 pts · 35d
STFU ELON.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 35d
Kewlio250@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 35d
https://static.klipy.com/ii/4e7bea9f7a3371424e6c16ebc93252fe/40/6b/9LtEFtXkLNlPx.gif
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 35d
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 35d
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 35d
It's good to know your mind is so weak that you let internet vitriol convince you to vote for felons, rapists, and pedophiles who are currently robbing us blind and infringing the shit out of our rights.
GO. FUCK. YOURSELF.
Here's some educational infromation for you, loser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 35d
Last time I checked, Mark Carney had connections with Jeffrey Epstein which can be added to one of the many reasons why I didn’t vote for him, Pierre Poilievre on the other hand appears to have no records connecting him to Epstein.
You Americans think the world revolves around you and your politics, every country has its own issues.
Here is some education for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 34d
Wow. Thanks for that left wing terrorism link. It was easy to get through because it was so, so much shorter than the right wing terrorism page.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 34d
You’re welcome.