Why is everyone obsessed with therapy

Every negative emotion I have, I'm told to go to therapy.

Negative emotions are human!

Why have we, as a society, grown to fear them?

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DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 162 pts · 3d (5 replies)

Sounds like something you should talk over with a therapist.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -31 pts · 3d (4 replies)

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HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 31 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Modded you up? Mod point? What are these?

kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d (1 reply)

If you get 1,000 Mod Points you become a Moderator

Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 2d

The Mods

Speiser0@feddit.org · 3 pts · 3d

I'm pretty sure the sarcasm in your comment was totally list on most people who voted you down. This includes me.

gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 132 pts · 3d (1 reply)

People don’t see your emotions. They see your behavior. They hear what you say, observe your actions and reactions, and from that they decide if they want to suggest therapy or not.

I don’t know if you need therapy or not because I’ve never met you in person. But if a large number of people you encounter suggest you seek out a therapist, it’s not because of anything you felt. It’s because of something you said or did. And you may be wise to reflect on those moments when they happen.

kettuli@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d

I acted out on feelings I didn’t recognize myself when I was at my worst, people told me to go to therapy. Then I finally did, and after three years I was more in touch with my emotions and more in balance with my inner world. I’m still a wreck, just a more functional wreck who no longer shouts out the shit that’s churning inside.

CallMeAl@piefed.zip · 88 pts · 3d

Negative emotions are human but some people need help to learn to handle them in healthy ways.

aburrito@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 3d

Therapy isn’t “just for negative emotions” in the same way the doctor isn’t just for dealing with the occasional common cold.

If you’re being told to see the doctor all the time, and you’re being dismissive of it without a reason past knee jerking, maybe hear them out? You’re positing this openly online so I think you’re already considering this.

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Therapy isn’t for negative emotions. It’s for poor reactions to negative emotions.

If you’re told to go to therapy for “every negative emotion you have” it sounds like there’s more going on here than you just having them.

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 11 pts · 2d

Great response.

I have a family member who gets angry very often. Things make him mad, I get it. The emotion isn't bad. However, he then starts yelling at everyone around and becomes hard to be near him. Anger isn't why he needs therapy. Yelling at those he supposedly loves instead of communicating why he's upset is why.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 3d (3 replies)

It depends on how you manage those negative emotions. Not that you are having negative emotions.

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Tbh, there's been people who have judged me just for being frustrated or mad about something, even if I didn't act on it. Turns out a lot of people just suck.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3d

Sure, people don't like to be around negativity. But have they repeatedly told you that you should seek therapy like OP?

aburrito@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

Mmm, did they read your mind, or did your expression of your frustration warrant a response. (Doesn’t mean it’s fair. just adding maybe some nuance, but often people do suck)

alternategait@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 3d

Because I went from having 4 to 15 panic attacks a month to being able to count the time between panic attacks in years.

Because my panic attacks went from being because it’s Tuesday to being because I was in situations with actual dire consequences.

Because once I learned that it served no one involved for me to bend myself into an an ill fitting shape to avoid all conflict I was able to have lasting romantic and platonic relationships (married 8 years now and have told my wife I’m glad I met her after doing all the therapy).

Because of the dozens of things I learned explicitly and implicitly through the process. Because I am still using tools offered to me. Because I am actually happier and more fulfilled than I had ever expected I could be.

greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 28 pts · 3d

Me personally? Because I experienced childhood trauma that I had no idea was childhood trauma. All I knew was I kept losing friends in my life and had a lot of conflict and I was clearly doing something wrong.

So I decided to try therapy. Turns out, normal people communicate their problems with people around them and try to find a solution. They hold boundaries to keep themselves happy and safe.

They don't manipulate people into doing things. They're not overly helpful and try to fix every problem around them for every person at the expense of themselves. They don't take little meaningless things as a personal attack and they don't expect others to read their mind.

People didn't want to be around me because I was overly helpful and tried to fix them to the point I was manipulating people and situations and causing harm to myself and others. Turns out when you grow up with a narcissist, even if your intent is good, you still have to unlearn all the fucked up lessons of your life.

That's why I personally went to therapy. My life is significantly better after several years of therapy. I might even go back one day. I'm able to have deep and meaningful relationships now. Therapy didn't make me not feel negative emotions. Actually, it forced me to. Because I had been running away from then my entire life.

Therapy is a wonderful tool if you're willing to actually reflect on yourself.

cattywampas@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 3d (3 replies)

Therapy is great because we're a social species who live in a world in which we are growing increasingly disconnected from both each other and the world we evolved to live in. It causes our minds a lot of stress and talking to other people about it is a great way to alleviate it.

Though I do agree with you that negative emotions are human and that we shouldn't necessarily fear them. Sometimes you'll be in situations where you'll be uncomfortable and upset, and you're going to experience things you don't like or you'll have to do things you don't want to do. That's part of the human experience and dealing with it is an important life skill to learn, especially for children.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -5 pts · 3d (2 replies)

The problem is rich people don't handle their emotions, they outsource that labor to therapists.

And they now expect everyone else in society to follow that model and it has trickled down.

The issue with mental health resources is must are being taken up by trivial nonsense of rich folks, where as people who legit mental health problems can't get the resources they need because they are inaccessible to them. Very similar to physical health care. Hence why the advice is 'oh you are feeling mad about something, go to therapy', because that's what a rich person does. Just like they have the luxury of going to a doctor over ever trivia healthcare concern.

There is a special suite for high roller patients at the one of the hospitals near me now. Basically, if you can pay them 100,000 in cash, you can get your own army of exclusive doctors for every little ache and pain, meanwhile the average person has to wait months or years for basic medical checkups and appointments...

village604@adultswim.fan · 8 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Imagine actually believing that therapy is only for rich people.

I've known plenty of therapists, and every one of them had a sliding scale based on income if insurance didn't pay.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -4 pts · 3d

cool. i have known many therapists and they all hate poor people because their insurance pays them shit, so they day dream about building up their practice full of exclusively rich clients who can pay out of pocket so they can make 300-500hr in private practice.

they only ever see treating the poor as a ladder to climb up out of.

FishFace@piefed.social · 23 pts · 3d

The clear belief behind your post is that people suggest going to therapy because they think it will relieve you of your negative emotions. This is not what therapy does though, so maybe it would be helpful to start there. Is that what you think therapy does?

Mothra@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 2d

every negative emotion you have, someone tells you to go to therapy? I see two options: you are either having a lot of extreme overreactions that make bystanders uncomfortable, or, you are spending too much time with someone who is probably just trolling you.

Or maybe you just exaggerated a bit here

Zorque@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Negative emotions are human, but often we arent well equipped to deal with them. If you can deal with them in a mature and responsible manner, congratulations! If not, therapy can get you to that point.

We dont need to journey through everything alone, often a helping hand is necessary to pull you forward.

eightpix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Why do you suppose humans aren't well equipped to deal with negative emotions? Also, why do you suppose people have so many more negative emotions than we did in the past?

I'm nearing the half century mark. I work in education. I used to work in sales and retail. I've traveled to most corners of the planet. I read widely. I can attest, humans aren't well equipped to deal with negative emotions and people have so many more negative emotions than we did in the past. This is the Internet.

Also, I'm not shitting on therapy. Therapy is keeping the wheels on this bus I'm riding. That said, therapy often fails at addressing underlying causes precisely because the dreck we exist in — and are forced to wade through — drives us back to therapy.

"It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick society." ~ attributed to Jiddu Krishnamurti

Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d

It's modern society, propaganda on TV is designed to create negative emotions with the solution of buying and consuming being the answer.

Deebster@infosec.pub · 14 pts · 3d (26 replies)

Are you American? As a European, it seems that Americans are obsessed with therapy, whereas I don't think it's at all common over here.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d

you seem to think therapy in america is some kind ofad, or a phase. more and more people are coming foward for therapy, plus recently women/girls are being properly recognized for adhd/autism properly now. when before they could mask it easily, and sometimes they were seen as lazy, still living at home types.

AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 3d (7 replies)

It's a rich American thing.

poor Americans don't have access to therapy. it's a luxury good, like travel.

and the people who tell you you have to have travel 3x a year are the same ones who think you must have a therapist.

subignition@fedia.io · 11 pts · 3d

it's a luxury good, like travel.

It shouldn't be.

A lot of major health insurance providers have free "self-help" style mental healthcare options, which are better than nothing even if they're kind of lame, but even one of the worst insurers I've been on (Kaiser Permanente) had decent mental health benefits. They like money and they know that subsidizing therapy is way cheaper than paying claims for a lot of the issues poor mental health can lead to

Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 3d (5 replies)

That's bullshit. Most places have free or extremely low cost therapy available. Most. Not all.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d (3 replies)

Fuck, if you're really broke you can pirate a CBT or DBT workbook. Less effective than the real thing, but if you're committed to change it can really help

Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 2d (2 replies)

You don't even have to do that, there are free CBT, DBT, and shadow work exercises that are printable.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Good to know. You can also probably find books describing techniques at the library.

I'm not saying self administered CBT alone fixed me, but it took me from unstable to manageable, and from there practice and experience got me pretty far. Also lsd helped.

So yeah, if you're too poor for therapy (and medicaid doesn't cover it in your state) self administer CBT/DBT then when you're more stable if you don't have a family history of psychosis pop a few tabs of acid

Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 1d

I was in and out of available low-cost, therapies, often with poor or outright bad therapists, for a long time. It was sort of a convergence of factors that healed me, beginning with someone who said something that prompted me to look up something from early childhood behavioral psych from decades earlier that no therapist mentioned: attachment theory, and from there another year or so of floundering my way along, until I was able to access good telehealth therapy, from a good therapist, who attended a horrible school, and finished out months later, in person.

Yes, there have been ups and downs since, and a couple of times I almost spun out, but was able to catch myself until I was able to get privacy and time to do the work while actually feeling the feelings. The point is, if you really want it, you'll do whatever it takes as often as possible.

village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 3d

Every therapist I've known has an income based sliding scale if insurance doesn't cover it.

bluGill@fedia.io · -2 pts · 3d (16 replies)

That is a bad thing. While therapy can't solve every problem, it can solve a lot. That American's can admit to using therapy means we can get the help we need when needed. I don't know how, but Europe needs to fix their culture and get people the help they need, not be smug in the "we don't need it" attitude which harms those who need help.

zout@fedia.io · 9 pts · 3d (3 replies)

You're reading a lot into that comment, it's indeed not that common over here, but it isn't non-existing either. If people need/want therapy, it's available.

Edit: It's also not that common to talk about therapy over here. Not that it's taboo, but we don't like to over share our medical history.

aburrito@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Perhaps then you’re also reading into Americans obsession with therapy as being a [fad? Perhaps?], and less the reality that many Americans desperately need therapy and is actually a real, tangeable problem

chunes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Americans actually need affordable housing, medical care, education, vacation time, workers' rights, etc. Therapy is how oligarchs want you to "solve" your problems.

aburrito@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d

We can have all these things. Many therapists connect their patients to resources or even are volunteers in their community. I don’t see how these are exclusive

But also therapists are doctors, “people need housing not medical care” basically. We need all of them, holistically, every single resource we need to survive includes medical specialists. Would you say don’t go to an oncologist because the oligarchs want to die of cancer? What even is this logic

Also the oligarchs need therapy too for their psychopathy but their power systems wouldn’t allow someone non syncophantic in their circles so 🤷‍♀️ guess we all suffer cause of that too

AskewLord@piefed.social · -3 pts · 3d (11 replies)

everyone could benefit from a personal trainer too!

should everyone have personal trainers?

subignition@fedia.io · 16 pts · 3d (8 replies)

Actually yeah, if everyone could check in with a personal trainer every month or two for free, that would probably return many times the value of its cost through how much healthier it would make the population in the long term

FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 3d

that would probably return many times the value of its cost

This seems like a testable hypothesis.

Personally, I'm skeptical that it would offer significant benefits over much cheaper interventions.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -9 pts · 3d (6 replies)

cool, do you live in a world where money grows on trees too?

subignition@fedia.io · 7 pts · 3d (4 replies)

No, money grows in the pocketbooks of the rich because we let them avoid paying their fair share.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -4 pts · 3d (3 replies)

right, just guillotine the billionaires and then everyone can have a personal therapist and trainer.

i see you clearly live in the real world.

subignition@fedia.io · 6 pts · 3d

That's not anywhere close to what I said or even could have been reasonably implying. It was already pretty obvious that you were trolling, but this is just ridiculous.

Congratulations though, with that level of jumping to conclusions you definitely do not need a personal trainer.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d

What colour is the sky where you are?

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 3d

should everyone have personal trainers?

Yes, that would be an awesome thing for universal healthcare to have. It would help people not get sick or injured.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 3d

Not the gotcha you think it is.

thethrilloftime69@feddit.online · 14 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Therapy is a band aid for the alienation we feel under capitalism. We are an increasingly isolated society. It's every man for himself out there. We're not meant to live like this. We need other people. We need people to share our experiences and feelings with. Therapy fills that role very well. I have been in therapy for 6-7 years and it's helped me a ton. I would recommend it, but I'm also of the opinion that if we ever were able to make to communism, very few people would need therapy.

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d

Therapy is a band aid for the alienation we feel under capitalism.

Therapy is the bandaid for the troubles facing all vegans.

Therapy is the bandaid for the unreasonable expectations that neurodivegents face.

Therapy is the bandaid for the products of systematic racism in Western nations.

Bro. This is not an infomercial. There are problems in the world and one aspect that touches you is not the explanation of all therapy. Jesus H.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Negative emotions are human!

Sounds like something a therapist would say. Actually, the usual line is something like "if there's a bear, negative emotions are very helpful". (It's always a bear; never a mugger or a giant rolling boulder. I don't make the rules)

It's hard to say over the internet, but either you're in a crowd where they overuse that line, or your emotions have grown to become unhelpful in your life.

embed_me@programming.dev · -1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Emotions don't have to be helpful? They just are

gdog05@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2d

Healthy emotional response means you react to your environment in an appropriate way given the environment. Unhealthy emotional response means you pass out when you hear a helicopter or you can't have healthy relationships or hold down jobs or feel good or feel anything. Emotions just are until they're an impediment to living.

SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Society has been conditioned to treat symptoms instead of root causes. You complain about real problems, and everyone acts like you are the problem.

Then, unless you luck out and find a genuinely good therapist, the therapist just helps you cope. The therapist does not fix anything, does not heal. Instead, they give you drugs and techniques for pretending problems aren't problems, all while the problems get worse and worse.

That has been my experience so far. I'm trying a fifth therapist in a week, but I'm not optimistic. I'm in the United States, everything is a scam.

village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Are you using one of the online therapy things? My therapist gets tons of offers to join those, but refuses because most of those services are pretty exploitative.

SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 3d (1 reply)

I tried three online therapists from three different services, all with poor results. Recently I went to the local community health center and had a session and a half with one therapist before requesting to be rescheduled with another.

I think part of the problem is that higher education in the US is fucked. Like everything else, it's a scam, and it also serves other scams. For-profit healthcare is for profit, not for healthcare. So the therapists follow a flawed script and seemingly have nothing to offer but superficial coping mechanisms and prescriptions that treat some symptoms while causing other side effects and not actually fixing any underlying issues.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d

oh yea and some"therapist" arnt properly certified or accredited in some states. in our state you likely need a license and actual certification to even practice, physical or mental.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 3d

Sometimes you just have to find out what tools you need, them find and sort how to use them by looking for yourself. It's not a meal deal at McDonald's.

wizblizz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d (5 replies)

Your flawed premise is showing.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 2d (4 replies)

Do elaborate.

wizblizz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d (3 replies)

Nah, would be a waste of time, clearly.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Clearly.

wizblizz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d (1 reply)

You've passed the bar for 3rd grade reading comprehension. Well done.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d

Yay!!! Do I get a graduation party and trophy?

The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Therapy is helpful, but you don't need to go for everything, just like you wouldn't go to the doctor every time you have a cold or allergies.

ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d (1 reply)

I've listened to many a podcast ad. BetterHelp is for everyone. How can we become the people we're meant to be if we don't all have a therapist?

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d

You dropped this "/s"

AskewLord@piefed.social · -1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

tell that to people who are paranoid hypochondriacs...

The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 3d

Ironically a very good reason to try therapy

crwth@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 2d

You need therapy bills to economically quantify your emotional damages so that you can sue somebody for them.

davetortoise@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 2d

Negative emotions are good for the evolutionary niche they developed for.

But when your fight-or-flight response kicks in during an exam, it doesn't help you do the exam, but makes it even harder. To be able to function in the society we've built for ourselves, it's necessary to be able to control our natural negative emotions without bottling them up entirely.

Cherry@piefed.social · 9 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Why have we, as a society, grown to fear them? - Yes, people have been conditioned to ask are you OK but not actually do anything. We have also as a society become more fluffy and less accepting of anger and frustration which are very valid feelings. But you are expected to just to just go be quiet elsewhere. If you make a scene you are called dramatic/karen etc.

I think its great we can talk about feelings, and let them out, we as a society have absolutely gotten better at being able to express...(if politely) but in terms of help and support when fixing that's a bit lacking.

The therapy thing seems a very USA/entitled thing, just pay to have it fixed. Most don't have that luxury. But the bottom line is you may need to work on how you handle things. I know its easily said but anger and resentment can be used to fuel you to do good. Just remember there are people who care, even if its just another internet buddy.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -3 pts · 3d (3 replies)

the issue in the USA is the folks who horde all the mental health resources, need them the least.

they often use access to therapists as a social status symbol more than anything else, because in order to have regular access to therapy you have to be a higher income person.

we also have a therapy industrial complex in the USA, as in we want to turn everything into a mental health issue so we can sell you a solution to it, and there is massive increase in the pathologization of ordinary life experiences fueled by this.

village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Can I have some of whatever drug caused you to believe something so stupid?

AskewLord@piefed.social · -1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

no, but i can block you for replying to my comments with insults instead of any legitimate commentary.

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

Good riddance, coward

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 3d

Probably do to the outsized amount of harm those emotions can create when we don't know how to deal with them effectively.

Therapists are a major source of learning why, when, how these emotions come up and give you techniques to deal with them.

darntootin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d

Now THAT’S an unpopular opinion! Here take my up—wait what sub is this??

Broadfern@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d

Because it’s an out-of-reach luxury for a lot of people, and those few who have tasted it with success will recommend it.

As to whether you should consider it yourself: are your negative emotions heavily impacting your day-to-day functioning? Are the causes external, material, and outside of your control (I.e., stuck in poverty, or a bad country)?

If the answers are yes then no, then maybe consider it if you can afford it. But yes, human emotions are normal and varied as long as you’re able to reasonably and healthily cope with them.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 3d (4 replies)

It kind of depends if your negative emotions are grounded in reality or if they're grounded in past trauma/cognitive distortions.

The very strong tendency of therapy is to assume the latter despite evidence of the former.

Society has completely lost its ability to deal with any personal/spiritual/psychological/social issues outside the context of professional talk therapy.

Let me introduce you to toxic positivity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_positivity

aburrito@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 3d (3 replies)

That’s only one form of therapy there’s a whole field and multiple disciplines within it, including the stuff you just talked about

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d (2 replies)

I didn't mention a therapy.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d (1 reply)

if they’re grounded in past trauma/cognitive distortions.

You did.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d

"Past trauma" has been around since Freud. "Cognitive distortion" is a term bandied about by CBT, but the concept has existed since people thought about thinking.

The basics of psychotherapy are extremely stable. Every time I learn about a "new" theory, it is essentially an old theory, repackaged.

Biffsbraincell@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 3d

There's a difference between feeling and being in touch with your emotions, and being controlled and driven by them, if you're the latter people may be suggesting therapy for that reason, and it can help.

chunes@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d (3 replies)

And how are all these people affording it?

AskewLord@piefed.social · -7 pts · 3d (2 replies)

they either have money, or don't save any money, or both.

the most pro therapy people I met, are the poor little rich person type. As in living paycheck to paycheck but still getting $5000 handouts form mom and dad every couple of months and are in constantly mental agony over a lot of first world problems, that 90% of the rest of the population would be jealous of having.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 3d

Wow, you seemnto have a chip on your shoulder b about this topic

FishFace@piefed.social · 7 pts · 3d

Or they live somewhere with affordable mental health care.

Abyssian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d

Because humanity didn't evolve to handle the daily stresses we face today, and the average human isn't very bright.

soul@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d (3 replies)
  1. Therapy is a healthy way to deal with all emotions, not just negative ones; there are plenty of positive emotions that can be unhealthy.
  2. It's not always, or even typically, fear that is moving people in the direction of therapy.
  3. Therapy is human as well.

You're stigmatizing something that's perfectly fine for people to seek out and suggest.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 2 pts · 2d (2 replies)

I see nothing wrong with therapy.

My problem is this generation's incessant belief that negative emotions are bad.

Case and point: Watch the new live action Avatar series. Season I. I haven't seen season II yet.

The only people with negative emotions are the bad guys. Everyone else is smiling constantly.

They're stigmatizing something that's perfectly fine to feel -- as long as you're actually feeling it.

ieGod@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d (1 reply)

So a single show made by presumably artists, writers, producers, voice actors, etc of all ages is your barometer for 'this generation'? Do you really think this show is representative of the real world?

Sidebar: the expression is 'case in point'.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 2d

I could go on.

The newer Looney Toons received high adult content ratings for adult outbursts and themes.

cRazi_man@europe.pub · 3 pts · 1d

It feels like an over correction. Therapy has been long since been badly stigmatised and people realise how much it can help. If someone feels therapy will help then that's great. But it's not a magical solution to every problem. And even if therapy is helping you, you need to do 90%of the work on yourself and therapy helps you untagle the last 10% that's too difficult to handle on your own.

emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d (3 replies)

Cheaper than actually fixing our world.

arin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Actually no, it's actually cheaper to fix the world but the oligarchs don't want a happy world, they wouldn't have control

chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d (1 reply)

They're on the same team. Therapists are the oligarchy's footsoldiers.

arin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d

You think you're joking but look at what Trump has done to the hhs cdc nasa epa. The top of the government appoints the chief directors of the agencies responsible for handling the direction of research and especially the funding. No money no research.

blackbrook@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 3d (1 reply)

I don't see this. I should note I'm an American, since some here have claimed this is an American thing.

So this is either particular to the people you are surrounded by, or something particular about you that makes people want to suggest therapy.

AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2d

Yeah, nobody every talked about therapy around me until I got to college. Then everyone was therapy this therapy that. Then went to graduate school abroad... nobody talked about it. Moved back to the east coast usa in a very rich city... and therapy this therapy that.

it's super common if you're in the wealthy elite parts of the country and such, but not so much if you're not. but also it's being actively pushed as the solution to many problems, like social alienation, etc. that have more obvious solutions... like simple paying people more.

to me it's symbolic of how we refuse to like address so many things, and just offshore them or create some new pet industry of experts to address... what were handled by ordinary stuff in the past. like having a workplace where you belonged and got paid fair wages and your life had stability and opportunity as a given... etc.

Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d (2 replies)

For most people, therapy is the only way to speak with a person who isn't like most of the commenters here.

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d

Does your own voice sound like commenters here? I've done a few sessions for issues I couldn't resolve, but IMO the vast, VAST majority of issues are not issues that require a professional touch.

AskewLord@piefed.social · 0 pts · 2d

Beautifully said.

Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d

I used to just drink my problems away. In short, I don’t recommend. Now I deal with everything as it comes. At this point I don’t need theory but everyone is different and some need additional coaching through this thing called life. Nothing wrong with that.

theresti@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Maybe it is the frequency and or severity of those negative emotions that has got people trying to institutionalize you?

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d

Maybe it's the people extrapolating too much about other despite having limited information about them?

selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2d

I hear you. Fuck therapy. Should I go to therapy?

hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 2d

shills for big therapy?

arotrios@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d (1 reply)

The core of your question is really "Why do people suggest therapy when I want to talk about my negative emotions?"

Because working through a damaged psyche isn't something your friends and family are qualified to do, and they're likely going to make it worse or damage their relationship with you if they try.

But I get why you're asking - you reach out during a dark time looking for support and community amongst those you know, and they use "you should talk to a therapist" to dismiss the conversation, which really doesn't solve anything and ends up making you feel worse by suggesting that only a professional you pay would want to listen to you.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 2 pts · 2d

Why aren't they qualified? Have they never had dark moments?

mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d

I've noticed the same thing over the years. There's some people that won't accept anyone having any sort of negative emotion.

You're mad, but all you're doing is grumbling, sulking, and keeping to yourself? Some people act like that's just as bad as getting into fights.

Negative emotions are human. We're not unfeeling robots, and life will have highs and lows.

Sometimes people are stressed because of a particular project at work, or because they're having car/house troubles. A therapist isn't really the answer to that. They're better suited for longer-term problems, such as issues with getting along with parents, mental trauma, or having a diagnosed condition.

But unfortunately, when it comes to mental health of others most people don't really care. They say whatever is expedient for that makes them vaguely feel like they're helping. Because so often, that help is more about them, not you.

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d

We don't need therapy for every negative emotion. Some we might if they are persistent. But I agree, it is possible to rise to the occasion more often than not when it comes to dealing with our emotions and our current situation.

Hiro8811@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d

I feel like in the last decade narcissism has become mainstream, almost everyone that works out and has some muscles will post themselves on social media, then there's the self care movement and the breakfaceboneswithhammermaxxing trend.

ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Some might find this an interesting opinion piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/26/opinion/mental-health-exercise-charity.html

AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2d

there was another one just today about teenage girls and how they come to therapy with 20 self-diagnosis, and the therapist has to unpack all the therapy speak babble they have convinced themselves of because they just use it to obscure their own emotional experiences as systematic pathologies... rather than just like admit the felt bad about something.

it's getting way worse than pathologizing life, people can't even process basic relationships without filtering them through words like 'narcissist' and 'gas light' now. and everyone is convinced they have adhd rather than just admitting they are lazy or distracted sometimes.

and you can see lots of folks here pulling the 'everyone has to be in therapy all the time' nonsense...

if you ask me it's basically just a place holder for what religion did for people in generations past. you also notice how many people talk about it in mantras or like bible verses and just parrot/repeat the 'truths' of therapy... and assume that everyone is as traumatized as them... and if they aren't they are lying.

therapy culture has all this weird cognitive distortions. i've always felt uncomfortable how many therapy people like, need to justify their own journey through therapy by insisting everyone else who ever lived also has to go through with it... almost as if they are still desperately trying to 'normalize' themselves...

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Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Therapy is like a good gym or (insert good phisical activity) for your brain… some pople exercise to correct a physical ailment, overweight, physio, etc… but anyone, no matter how healthy, would benefit from some regular gym time (read physical activity)

You seem to assume therpy is only good to fix a problem but that is a wrong assumption

dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d

More like personal trainer I think.

Plenty of people are psychologically healthy without a regular offload to a therapist. That doesn't mean that they couldn't benefit some or that others couldn't benefit a lot, but you don't need a therapist to have good mental health.

LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d

No I agree with you, no emotions are negative. They all have a purpose, and are a personal message to you (not anyone else). Boredom is a wind up machine for future prospects, that's where you develop your sense of who you are and want to be. And if you want to be a crazy inventor, grab a white lab coat, mess up your hair and get yourself some Boredom. Anger can fire action to improve your situation. Or, you know if you happen to have a lot of money and no relatives, grab yourself a black rubber suit with wings.

I could go on. But all emotions are a message for you from your sense systems. They're always reading the room, they're non verbal, emotional alarm systems are the way they tell you a room is on fire or full of flowers.

It's when you get stuck in an emotion that can be problematic. Rumination, or inability to emotionally process those emotions can cause life to feel super uncomfortable. And you can absolutely ask for help from someone who went to school to learn the mysterious ways of the emotional brain.

Emotions are kinda like a more sensitive and intricate alert system for danger approaching, as opposed to the more sledge hammer version provided by your fight or flight systems (all the same place).

If you don't notice your emotions, bottle or ignore your emotions, they feel unheard, and what does any alert system do if it's mildly sentient and feels like their danger alarts didn't get heard? They just get louder until they feel like you got the message.

So whilst absolutely all emotions are a full and complete part of the human experience and can be vital and essential to life's progression and an assistance, they can also start going defcon 5 over the toast being burnt, and therefore need some recalibration.

And then there's emotional immaturity....

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Malyca@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Therapy will help you develop healthy coping mechanisms to replace your childhood ones, which were likely unhealthy.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 2d

My childhood ones were healthier than my adult ones.

minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 3d

They are hoping therapy will turn you into who they prefer. Psych talk is now mainstream, mostly in women's spaces, and they use the language of therapy about as well as the average sports fan uses the language of their sport to tell everyone what they should be doing, instead. People and culture is just the game women prefer.

ki4jgt@feddit.org · -2 pts · 1d

My question then is, who helps those people?

If it is not the job others to attempt to "mend" broken hearts, whose is it?

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -4 pts · 3d (35 replies)

My sister went to therapy all her life. I never did.

I may be wrong, but here's my theory: she and I went through the same hardship: I allowed time to let the memory fade away in my brain (it wasn't PTSD-inducing hardship, mind you) but her therapist never let her forget. And now decades later, she's all kinds of messed up and I'm not.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 3d (10 replies)

Even siblings in the same household can have wildly different experiences with their parents.

Correlation and causation shouldn't be confused for the other.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -2 pts · 3d (4 replies)

wildly different experiences with their parents

Nitpicking a bit here, but you assume what my sister and I lived through was our parents' fault.

It was not: we both went to Catholic school. Let's leave it at that.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 3d (3 replies)

Just an example. You revealing that it was at Catholic school bolsters my point - your sister probably had a wildly different experience than you did.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -5 pts · 3d (2 replies)

your sister probably had a wildly different experience than you did.

How could you possibly know that? Do you know my sister?

We talked about it you know. Rather extensively. We met the same people at around the same time and went through the same kinds of shenanigans.

You think you know more than you do.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 3d (1 reply)

You're taking my examples as if I'm telling you I know for sure what you both went through.

I'm trying to get you to have a more open mind about different people having different experiences even if the circumstances are really similar.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 3d

Plus boy brains and girl brains often process things very differently.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -3 pts · 3d (4 replies)

It's true, but I see more people going to therapy needing more therapy than people who just let time be the proverbial healer.

Again, I'm not talking about trauma so grave you actually need therapy to get you out of your funk, like wartime memories or terrible accidents.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 3d (3 replies)

Not everything is a one size fits all solution. Some people do great with therapy and some need a different approach. Your comments are bordering on dangerous advice by asserting that therapy causes more therapy.

You don't know what your sister's experience truly was without being her.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -6 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Like I said, that's just my theory. I can only go by what I know and what I've witnessed.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 3d

And a theory without evidence, not just anecdotal evidence, can be harmful.

You don't have to go to therapy. No one is forcing you. You also don't need to shit on a viable path towards healing for many people.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 2d

no providing medical advice to mental illness without an expertise in, is dangerous advice, most platforms will ban you for that asap. just because you had a "faux-experience with trauma" your siblings had verifiable trauma that need psychiatric help.

FishFace@piefed.social · 4 pts · 3d

My partner is licensed to deliver some kinds of talking therapy for our public health system. They often talk with some concern about patients who have interactions with private therapists who keep patients on, continuously, for years, and points out that there is no evidence base for that kind of delivery. Evidence-based therapies are typically several weeks, though it does vary.

Life-long therapy is something I'm aware of from American TV shows, and those conversations.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 3d (22 replies)

Here's my theory: therapist get paid to see clients and keeping old clients is easier than getting new ones.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 3d (21 replies)

You must be an American

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 3d (20 replies)

Yup, that's my context. Are therapists on public retainer in your country?

edit: haha yeah, 5 downvotes to 1 for this. definitely some emotions on display here.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 3d (19 replies)

The last one I saw was.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 3d (18 replies)

Cool. That's sort of better... but it might not be, really.

For instance, you'd think commisions are bad because they push salespeople to sell you things you don't need. So you'd think NOT having commissions are GOOD; but that is marketing, because every salesperson has metrics and goals, and if they don't meet them, there are consequences.

Source: Worked at Best Buy, where customers were so happy that we didn't take commission but didn't know that our supervisors would chew us out if we didn't sell a membership or get a credit card application.

So it depends on how the system is implemented.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 3d (17 replies)

Conflating therapists with sales people is a real good indicator that you need therapy.

Not knowing whether public healthcare has good outcomes is one hell of an ignorant take.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 3d

Therapists and sales people both exist in a capitalist systems and so are under similar pressures. (Edit: Unless, of course, they aren't! Assuming US context here, I can't speak to every therapists in every country in the world).

Here is one of MANY complaints from therapists about working in clinics where they are tracked on how many hours they are seeing clients / no shows / etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/therapists/comments/10nfc88/metrics/

bedwyr@piefed.ca · -5 pts · 3d

The Sopranos, when mother soprano finds out Tony has been seeing a therapist
"Therapy?, don't you know that's a racket for the jews?"

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bedwyr@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Thereapy is expensive actually, it takes a lot of "resources," which is to say money.

Canconda@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Thats the US medical system you're conflating.

Therapy only requires talking.

So when I say it requires no resources, I'm comparing it to alternatives like going on a retreat or participating in some sort of group. My point is it has lower barriers than alternatives which makes it more available.

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solrize@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3d

So when I say it requires no resources, I’m comparing it to alternatives like going on a retreat or participating in some sort of group. My point is it has lower barriers than alternatives which makes it more available.

Therapists are professionals who have to get paid, just like doctors, electricians, piano teachers, bicycle repairpeople, or whatever. I left out car repair because that's largely about access to expensive garage facilities and special tools. Yes those costs are significant financial obstacles for lots of people, especially if they're recurring. Participating in a group (like joining the local chess club) is usually free? Or if you mean a therapy group, I think that's a a therapist leading a group session, so the participants split up the cost and it's cheaper than individual therapy.

Anyway, this is money that has to come from somewhere.

magnetosphere@fedia.io · 4 pts · 3d

Fortunately, some therapists charge on a “sliding scale”. That means the therapist charges depending on what you’re able to pay. Money isn’t necessarily an insurmountable barrier.

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 3d (11 replies)

Every woman I know says medical science completely ignores them.

Canconda@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 3d (10 replies)

Just like you ignored that sentence.

therapy, unlike most medical science, is

watch the video. This is not my opinion.

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Canconda@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d (7 replies)

watch the video i linked this is not my opinion.

If you cant be bothered to look at what Im citing than calling me sexist is very out of line

HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 3d (6 replies)

Don’t think I will.

Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d (5 replies)

I didn't either.

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NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 3d

That's a pretty fucking sexist thing to say.

Complete non-sequitur. Just... what?

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -2 pts · 3d (9 replies)

Downvotes aren't an "I disagree button," y'all. This person makes a well-articulated point with a credible source; if you don't like it either explain why or move on.

graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 3d (5 replies)

credible

A manosphere-gateway self-help guru who somehow hasn't lost his license by some miracle (though was reprimanded) is not what I'd call a credible source.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -2 pts · 3d (4 replies)

Pure ad hominem, and unsubstantiated ad hominem at that. The man in the video makes an argument and backs it up by evidence (and, you know, his decade of relevant professional experience). There's straight up zero substance to anything you said (except the reprimand bit, but then you have to explain the contents of that reprimand and why they're relevant here).

graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Look, if you enjoy that kinda stuff - be my guest. Let's just maybe not pretend that him being a licensed practitioner somehow absolves him from also being a shady unethical influencer who may have ulterior motives which affect how and why he presents topics. Again - not a credible source to me and many others. Hence the downvotes.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 0 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Okay that sounds shady (specifically the Indian medicine bit, everything else is frankly not a big deal), but not in a way that's relevant to the contents of the video or the top comment. Again, ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason, or in other words: What's the ulterior motive?

graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2d

I don't believe it's a fallacy to say "this person has done enough bad stuff to discredit himself and I don't have time nor expertise to sift through his content to separate the good parts from the bad, so it's a safer bet to not listen to him at all".

solrize@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 3d

I had not heard of the guy before, but like anyone else, he has his own perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alok_Kanojia

Dubiousx99@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d (1 reply)

That isn’t what most people would consider a source. The reality is that the word “reliable” often gets dropped from the term when people are asking you for a reliable source. They have an expectation that if you have a source for the information, that you have already found the information credible. The reality is that most people will accept some information from a non-credible source and that is typically when they already have a bias towards that information. Most people are not trained to recognize the existing biases in their thinking so they are unaware of the problem. What was provided is a YouTube video of an entertainer who livestreams. Give me something peer reviewed, not a video of him spouting his platform.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -1 pts · 3d

That isn’t what most people would consider a source.

From my long, long experience arguing with people on the internet, the words of a practicing, licensed professional with relevant experience absolutely do count as a source, at least enough to establish a baseline for debate. At this point the burden of (dis)proof is on the accuser to provide evidence that says otherwise.

What was provided is a YouTube video of an entertainer who livestreams.

Most intellectually dishonest thing I've read today. You know that the contents of the video are meant to be backed not by the words of "an entertainer who livestreams," but by his education, over a decade of relevant professional experience and all the statistics and papers he keeps citing in the damn video.

Give me something peer reviewed, not a video of him spouting his platform.

Okay three things here: First, "spouting his platform" of going to therapy but with a disclaimer that might help some people get more out of it? Like, this isn't exactly a bombshell, nor does he say "screw therapy pay me." There's no perverse incentive or anything of the sort here. Second, I've never ever seen anyone start off an internet argument with "give me something peer reviewed." This isn't an academic paper. If you want something peer reviewed, you'll have to start off with something peer reviewed first. Third, by that standard all media for non-academics is a no-go, which is not how any internet argument I've ever seen went. If that's the standard you want to set then sure, but you don't get to enforce it on other people.

AskewLord@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d

therapy people have sort of a cult mentality... they don't want to discuss the limits or issues with therapy.

they basically think it's a miracle cure for everything, and if you disagree they downvote or call you names.

truth is therapy is a limited resource and has lots of issues. and not all therapists and therapies are the same for everyone. but that's a complex detailed discussion folks don't want to have. a large chunk of the therapy industry has implicit and explicit biases and is overwhelmingly dominated by women.

not to mention all the bad ignorant takes like 'therapy is talking'... when there are many non-talk therapies that are necessary.

the problem is 'go to therapy' has become a way to dismiss people's legitimate problems, concerns, and sometimes just their ordinary experiences. it's yet another way of going 'i don't agree with you or like you so therefore you should just go away'.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -12 pts · 3d (5 replies)

The same reason folks pay someone else to do their yard work, clean their car, or doordash every meal.

They don't want to do the emotional work, so they pay someone else to do it for them.

And the folks who pay other people to do this stuff, can't fathom doing any of it themselves. And they look down on people who do it themselves as subhuman.

velma@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 3d

Have you been to therapy? It simply doesn't work if the patient isn't doing the emotional work. You can't outsource it.

FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 3d

Therapy generally takes work or it isn't effective.

wizblizz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Humans literally cannot feel another's feelings, this is why empathy is important. No one can process your emotions or trauma. That's your work.

AskewLord@piefed.social · -1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

none of what you said has anything to do with therapy.

empathy existed long before therapy dude. therapy has barely been around 100 years, and was not popular until the 70s.

but keep being ignorant and banging your drum i guess? and conflating stuff that has nothing to do with each other.

wizblizz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d

Thought maybe you were arguing in good faith and didn't have an understanding of what therapy is actually about, but it's clear you're just ragebaiting. Go fuck yourself, asshat.