The cunts who works at places like kalshi and such can 100% disappear with zero detriment to society.
Those are the fucking fake-ass e-mail jobs, and to act like there’s no difference between some piece of shit pulling barely legal scams and someone in a public service position is fucking stupid.
I’ve turned down few job offers in my time because those would have me work on online gambling systems and shit.
I know people who still chose to work in there, whose motivation was something like “If I didn’t scam these people - someone else would have”. And what I think after all that - if person’s job is detrimental to society - this person doesn’t matter, even if they’re working hard, 9-to-5, all that shit.
Remember when covid happened and everyone had to stop working? Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.
Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.
I wish we could do it again, share the "real jobs" out amongst everyone so we only had to work a couple days a week, only this time we can also not be terrified of apocalypse-movie scale of death.
The current cost of living crisis started because of the economic turmoil in COVID you refer to as "some lines stopped going up". There have been other causes, but that was a huge chunk of it.
But sure "everything was basically fine" because you personally didn't die, I guess
I admit I have a pretty juvenile understanding of economics. I meant the sewers still worked, the health care system mostly still worked even while overrun, trains still ran fine, food and supplies stabilised after the original panic-buying fuckup.
The fact that I personally didnt die was a bonus I'll grant you that.
Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.
What? A lot of people with real jobs got screwed over as well. E.g., most prominently restaurant workers. I personally know several people who lost their jobs or small businesses due to covid, including a pâtissière, local art gallery curator, club DJ, and bartender. They were all valuable members of the local community who were absolutely shit on by the pandemic.
Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.
Over seven million people died and are still dying, not to mention permanent conditions and long hospitalizations. And now we have an inflated, cancerous anti-vax movement, cost-of-living crisis, and generation of students who got fucked.
I'm happy it worked out for you, but the COVID-19 pandemic left a monstrous scar on the world. I can only hope our governments and people will be more prepared next time. We should not forget what was lost.
Yeah i think I didnt make it clear enough. The actual pandemic part was bad. People dying was bad. I havent lived through a different voluntary shutdown of society to use as an example instead.
Eh, I've worked pretty much all of those jobs and worked on stats; it's true that these people aren't the problem, but a lot of them aren't helping either. They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.
Hah! Yeah, for the most part. My city has a great bicycle network and yet people are still burning gasoline to move just themselves around or to transport five bananas and a jug of milk from the store to their home that is five blocks away.
Just using email while also doing something important doesn't make a job a fake job. Fake jobs are the kind of jobs that society would be fine without. Marketing, sales development, hr. Jobs which exist solely to peddle around useless emails like competitive reviews, social listening reports, messaging matrixes, research debriefs, etc., or responding to such bs in an ever escalating cycle of useless burecracy.
Americans will attack other workers for minor differences in lifestyle rather than attack their boss for failing to provide basic quality of life in exchange for full time work.
Office jobs are still jobs. If a business genuinely was wasting vast amounts of money on fake work, then these jobs would be eliminated already. They are gradually being automated away, same as physical labor, but they still exist because they are still important for production.
The target of your ire should not be this or that subsection of the working class, but instead the capitalist class.
A lot of jobs are pure bullshit jobs that only exist because the corporation needed to hire inorder to appear growing. They then do mass firings to appear like they're cutting costs. It's all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
That doesn't make the people filling those roles not working class, in fact it highlights how disposable the working class is to the capitalist class, and further reinforces my point: capitalists are the enemy.
anthropologist David Graeber that postulates the existence of meaningless jobs which cause psychological harm. He contends that over half of societal work is pointless and becomes psychologically destructive (when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth) because workers are required to pretend their role is not as pointless or harmful as they know it to be.
I'm aware of Graeber's work. I don't really agree with much of his conclusions or analysis, as he is an anarchist and I'm a Marxist-Leninist, but we would agree that much of office work is indeed socially unproductive, if we were to pivot to a socialist economy. That being said, we exist in capitalism, and thus office workers are working class, regardless of how necessary the work they do is beyond helping generate profit.
I doubt that. You could do the same thing with fake job postings if you really wanted, and it's cheaper.
But let's say you're right. Those people would still be given lots of work and be busy, because if they were allowed to be not busy everyone else would see and not want to work.
The international worker's day is a holiday in france, so everyone can go protest (or do whatever at home, but there are usually big protests on may 1st)
My boss’ boss gives everyone a Lindt chocolate on their start date anniversary, which is nice and all but if I WFH for a few days or simply don’t see him for a while, then when he finally gives it to me he says something like “I haven’t seen you around for a while?” and now it looks bad. Keep the chocolate just stop thinking about me.
Is this some kind of americian thing I'm too free as a candian to worry about? You can still end up working it but it's overtime by default or paid time off if don't work it
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed.
I don't celebrate, so this isn't nostalgia for Christmas magic or whatever.
I just like that it's a day that no matter what, for the most part, you're on your own. Forgot to buy groceries? Scrounge the cupboard. Forgot to fill the gas tank? You're staying home. Faucet leaking? Turn off the water, wash your hands in a different sink, call the plumber(or go to the hardware store) tomorrow. Ain't NOTHING getting done today.
It's the only day where the majority of people in areas where the holiday is celebrated, all agree that ain't nobody doing anything that day.
Granted there's lots of caveats. Some businesses are open by choice, some by necessity. I used to work at a nursing home, that's gotta stay open, me and a few coworkers would volunteer to take the holiday shifts.
These days I'm still blue collar, but I do have most big holidays off.
But if you thought some random gas station or grocery store was gonna be open so you can pop in on Christmas? No dice.
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed
Idk about where you live, but a bunch of businesses in Houston will close a little earlier on Christmas Eve and open up at around noon on Christmas Day. Nobody wants to Not Work anymore. Everything has to be open all the time.
No, I don't think so. Just the subset of those which have no value for society and only exist to respond to and perpetuate useless burecracy. Unnecessary middle managers, hr, etc..
it's curious that the US does not observe it in that day since the events that commemorates it happened in Chicago, during a series of protests for a 8 hour work day.
But of course, that is not accident. They put a lot of effort in framing workers' movements as a communist plot. At one point they even instituted a "loyalty day" on 1st of May to counteract any labour movement.
someone unironically told me yesterday 'you must be so busy with everyone off!'
I WAS busy, nothing changed on my end compared to every other Monday of the year. which is basically I'm given a job that's too much for one person, but I struggle to get help so often than even getting my legally required breaks can be like pulling teeth.
anyway I just said 'except for me! (:' and she didn't say anything else after that.
it's like these people forget that we too are humans working behind the counter. People that are WORKING on LABOR day.
Labour days are a joke, it's pretty nice in countries where it's a day off but otherwise it's just a circus show for students and unions (who are completely subordinated by capital and act as a price indicator for labor power) to parade around for a few hours.
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YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub · 261 pts · 18h
Anyone who works for a living is part of the working class and bullshit like this only strengthens capitals grip by pitting workers against workers.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 69 pts · 17h
yup. It's the epstein class we should be guillotining, not each other.
Draegur@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 16h
the epstein class are the ones who have the biggest fakest "email-jobs".
wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 16h
The cunts who works at places like kalshi and such can 100% disappear with zero detriment to society. Those are the fucking fake-ass e-mail jobs, and to act like there’s no difference between some piece of shit pulling barely legal scams and someone in a public service position is fucking stupid.
ivan@piefed.social · 11 pts · 12h
I’ve turned down few job offers in my time because those would have me work on online gambling systems and shit.
I know people who still chose to work in there, whose motivation was something like “If I didn’t scam these people - someone else would have”. And what I think after all that - if person’s job is detrimental to society - this person doesn’t matter, even if they’re working hard, 9-to-5, all that shit.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 11h
Remember when covid happened and everyone had to stop working? Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.
Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.
I wish we could do it again, share the "real jobs" out amongst everyone so we only had to work a couple days a week, only this time we can also not be terrified of apocalypse-movie scale of death.
FishFace@piefed.social · 7 pts · 10h
The current cost of living crisis started because of the economic turmoil in COVID you refer to as "some lines stopped going up". There have been other causes, but that was a huge chunk of it.
But sure "everything was basically fine" because you personally didn't die, I guess
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 8h
I admit I have a pretty juvenile understanding of economics. I meant the sewers still worked, the health care system mostly still worked even while overrun, trains still ran fine, food and supplies stabilised after the original panic-buying fuckup.
The fact that I personally didnt die was a bonus I'll grant you that.
FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 8h
Ah well now I feel bad for being sarcastic which I probably deserve.
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 8h
What? A lot of people with real jobs got screwed over as well. E.g., most prominently restaurant workers. I personally know several people who lost their jobs or small businesses due to covid, including a pâtissière, local art gallery curator, club DJ, and bartender. They were all valuable members of the local community who were absolutely shit on by the pandemic.
Over seven million people died and are still dying, not to mention permanent conditions and long hospitalizations. And now we have an inflated, cancerous anti-vax movement, cost-of-living crisis, and generation of students who got fucked.
I'm happy it worked out for you, but the COVID-19 pandemic left a monstrous scar on the world. I can only hope our governments and people will be more prepared next time. We should not forget what was lost.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 8h
Yeah i think I didnt make it clear enough. The actual pandemic part was bad. People dying was bad. I havent lived through a different voluntary shutdown of society to use as an example instead.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
Yeah honestly EVERYONE should be able to enjoy Labor Day.
Malica@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3h
👆
strop@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 13h
Even car production workers?
story@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12h
yay labor day
countrypunk@slrpnk.net · 136 pts · 16h
I see no point in trying to pit us against each other. People with normal desk jobs aren't inherently the problem.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 9h
Eh, I've worked pretty much all of those jobs and worked on stats; it's true that these people aren't the problem, but a lot of them aren't helping either. They inherently don't care as long as they're comfortable.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 8h
Isn't that just humanity?
snoons@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 8h
Hah! Yeah, for the most part. My city has a great bicycle network and yet people are still burning gasoline to move just themselves around or to transport five bananas and a jug of milk from the store to their home that is five blocks away.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 11h
Have you ever said 'Those jobs are never coming back'?
If you have, you're part of the problem.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 10h
When did anyone say that?
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 5h
When the buggy whip manufacturers went out of business
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 54 pts · 18h
Guess my kid's elementary school teacher has a fake email job too.
Deme@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 16h
Just using email while also doing something important doesn't make a job a fake job. Fake jobs are the kind of jobs that society would be fine without. Marketing, sales development, hr. Jobs which exist solely to peddle around useless emails like competitive reviews, social listening reports, messaging matrixes, research debriefs, etc., or responding to such bs in an ever escalating cycle of useless burecracy.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 17h
Do your kids have a Chromebook?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 17h
No
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 8h
Even if they had, it wouldn't still be the teacher's fault; a computer can also be useful for some type of neurodivergent people
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 4h
You guys are taking this way too seriously
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -11 pts · 6h
All teachers do is abuse kids and enable kids to abuse other kids.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 5h
Your bad experiences are not universal
gastroglizzy@piefed.social · 46 pts · 5h
If you punch a clock to pay your bills, you're working class. Don't let them turn us against each other.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 10 pts · 5h
So I’m a salaried engineer and can’t be part of the movement?
Elmirador@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 4h
If you work in order to actually be able to to live, eat, and have shelter, you are working class.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 3h
The double-edged sword of western labor. Your options are:
Work hourly and get some middle manager rolling dice to see which hours/days you're scheduled for every week, the day before the timesheet goes out.
Work salary and get sucked into late night deployments, lunch meetings, and assorted overtime projects you don't receive pay for.
They catch ya comin' and they catch ya goin'
white_nrdy@programming.dev · 7 pts · 5h
I think their point is we should be part of the movement. Although, IMO we should also recognize that there are definitely chose who have it worse
(I say "we" since I'm also a salaried engineer)
EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/There-Are-Dozens-of-Us-Tobias-Funke-Arrested-Development.gif
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 4h
I'm bourgeoisie, can I still be part of the movement or do I have to divest first?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 3h
Look to what Engels did. There are plenty of class traitors throughout history.
Deme@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 4h
Do you make enough from those investments to live off of them? If not, you're not bourgeoisie.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3h
It's more a family business which I work at and get shareholder value from.
vathecka@lemmy.radio · 2 pts · 2h
Thats petit bourgoise, thats different
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 3h
No, by the very definition you are cosplaying as a poor. That might be worse.
chewypoops@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 7h
Americans will attack other workers for minor differences in lifestyle rather than attack their boss for failing to provide basic quality of life in exchange for full time work.
Just like the ruling class wants...
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 8h
Office jobs are still jobs. If a business genuinely was wasting vast amounts of money on fake work, then these jobs would be eliminated already. They are gradually being automated away, same as physical labor, but they still exist because they are still important for production.
The target of your ire should not be this or that subsection of the working class, but instead the capitalist class.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 8h
A lot of jobs are pure bullshit jobs that only exist because the corporation needed to hire inorder to appear growing. They then do mass firings to appear like they're cutting costs. It's all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 8h
That doesn't make the people filling those roles not working class, in fact it highlights how disposable the working class is to the capitalist class, and further reinforces my point: capitalists are the enemy.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7h
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 7h
I'm aware of Graeber's work. I don't really agree with much of his conclusions or analysis, as he is an anarchist and I'm a Marxist-Leninist, but we would agree that much of office work is indeed socially unproductive, if we were to pivot to a socialist economy. That being said, we exist in capitalism, and thus office workers are working class, regardless of how necessary the work they do is beyond helping generate profit.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 4h
This was an important part that shouldn't be discounted since it was still at the core of the argument.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 8h
I doubt that. You could do the same thing with fake job postings if you really wanted, and it's cheaper.
But let's say you're right. Those people would still be given lots of work and be busy, because if they were allowed to be not busy everyone else would see and not want to work.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7h
They do do that with fake job listings.
betelplouf@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 11h
The international worker's day is a holiday in france, so everyone can go protest (or do whatever at home, but there are usually big protests on may 1st)
Brimstone@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 9h
So how is it different to any other day in France? 😅
betelplouf@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4h
Sadly there are no protests everyday (bu( I'd like, that's so fun to go)
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 14h
PSA, Labour day is the first of may.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 13h
Mayday like the rest of the world
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 10h
Weird. It was yesterday in Canada. Funny that.
EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 6h
Just because our cage is slightly nicer and we get fed slightly better slop doesn't mean we're not in this together.
Most of us are sticking with you ... the real problem is the 1%
Caesium@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 5h
I mean y'all could stick it to the one percent by forgoing going to the store or eating out on labor day
Homo_Erectus@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 18h
My boss handles everyone a chocolate bar
"Thank you guys for yo hard labor. Happy labor day"
Everyone gotta get back to labor after that.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 18h
I didn't even get anything
dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 10h
Meanwhile everyone in the office upstairs gets platters of free food and drinks while working a half day but getting paid for the full day
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
My boss’ boss gives everyone a Lindt chocolate on their start date anniversary, which is nice and all but if I WFH for a few days or simply don’t see him for a while, then when he finally gives it to me he says something like “I haven’t seen you around for a while?” and now it looks bad. Keep the chocolate just stop thinking about me.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 18h
Is this some kind of americian thing I'm too free as a candian to worry about? You can still end up working it but it's overtime by default or paid time off if don't work it
maturelemontree@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 17h
Oh yeah most of those jobs like McDonalds offer no compensation. Labor day is just another day.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 16h
Feels like amercia needs to learn the true meaning of labour day
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 9 pts · 11h
America needs a hard reboot, a new operating system, and a huge file purge
Fishy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 14h
The rest of the world has May 1st.
Hegar@fedia.io · 19 pts · 16h
'Fake email job' is great! I'd not heard that before.
Where i work, all the bosses get the day off and those of us who actually work still have to work.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 7h
Yes, let’s pit workers against each other, very helpful
Greymattertripp@lemmus.org · 16 pts · 3h
This has to be the dumbest shit I've seen in a minute.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 4h
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed.
I don't celebrate, so this isn't nostalgia for Christmas magic or whatever.
I just like that it's a day that no matter what, for the most part, you're on your own. Forgot to buy groceries? Scrounge the cupboard. Forgot to fill the gas tank? You're staying home. Faucet leaking? Turn off the water, wash your hands in a different sink, call the plumber(or go to the hardware store) tomorrow. Ain't NOTHING getting done today.
It's the only day where the majority of people in areas where the holiday is celebrated, all agree that ain't nobody doing anything that day.
Granted there's lots of caveats. Some businesses are open by choice, some by necessity. I used to work at a nursing home, that's gotta stay open, me and a few coworkers would volunteer to take the holiday shifts.
These days I'm still blue collar, but I do have most big holidays off.
But if you thought some random gas station or grocery store was gonna be open so you can pop in on Christmas? No dice.
Why isn't labour Day that way?
Areexor@feddit.org · 9 pts · 3h
In Germany it is thanks to labor unions
Commander_Keen@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 2h
Used to be that way in the US. The. We let them dismantle the unions :(
And that’s coming from a proud IBEW member. Remember folks unionize. It’s the only way to get your fair share of the profits.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
Idk about where you live, but a bunch of businesses in Houston will close a little earlier on Christmas Eve and open up at around noon on Christmas Day. Nobody wants to Not Work anymore. Everything has to be open all the time.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2h
Northeast US. But that's a shame about Texas.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 17h
"Fake email job" I guess this is just a weird spin on "office job"?
Deme@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 16h
No, I don't think so. Just the subset of those which have no value for society and only exist to respond to and perpetuate useless burecracy. Unnecessary middle managers, hr, etc..
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 13h
More of a spin on bullshit job I'd say.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 3h
Don't put workers against workers.
sanzky@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 8h
it's curious that the US does not observe it in that day since the events that commemorates it happened in Chicago, during a series of protests for a 8 hour work day.
But of course, that is not accident. They put a lot of effort in framing workers' movements as a communist plot. At one point they even instituted a "loyalty day" on 1st of May to counteract any labour movement.
Caesium@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 5h
someone unironically told me yesterday 'you must be so busy with everyone off!'
I WAS busy, nothing changed on my end compared to every other Monday of the year. which is basically I'm given a job that's too much for one person, but I struggle to get help so often than even getting my legally required breaks can be like pulling teeth.
anyway I just said 'except for me! (:' and she didn't say anything else after that.
it's like these people forget that we too are humans working behind the counter. People that are WORKING on LABOR day.
Etterra@discuss.online · 7 pts · 9h
My fiance is a chef at an old folks home and gets holiday pay + normal pay.
anistorian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h
Yes, because we unionized. At least I did. With my beer. And my burger.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 4h
Every job I've ever had, I've had to work on labor day.
dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 14h
I hope this email finds you...
Denjin@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 10h
What if you have a regular working class job but also like Modelo and juicy burgers?
lengau@midwest.social · 3 pts · 6h
Most of the coffee shops in my city were closed yesterday. Only the big corporate ones were open, and they were pretty empty.
Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 15h
Why take a swing at the honest, humble Modelo. Makers of the finest canned Michelada, Modelo Fine Beers Inc. has stood at the forefront of th
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 10h
You can get michelada in a can??
Do you have to put tajin on the rim yourself?
chewypoops@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
chewypoops@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 10h
Labour days are a joke, it's pretty nice in countries where it's a day off but otherwise it's just a circus show for students and unions (who are completely subordinated by capital and act as a price indicator for labor power) to parade around for a few hours.