After being unable to convince anyone of anything that was going to happen and change even one mind, my only joy is watching them suffer the results of their shitty choices. My next high is scheduled for next year when everyone scratches their head on why the governemt needs to double the national deficit to bail out Dario and Sam.
Now that's no reason to give up. After COVID hit, I had a coworker that was anti-vaccine, and she talked to me about it, because she assumed I was as well. I had mentioned something about how whenever I accidentally drop food on the floor, I eat it as a challenge to my immune system. She expected that that thought carried over to vaccine hesitancy. I later sent her an e-mail telling her that my trick of challenging my immune system, was exactly what vaccines were. Then dove into what vaccines actually are and how they work. She later thanked me, and said that I helped her and her husband finally go and get their shots. It was real cool.
So, sometimes, if you approach it the right way, you can still change peoples minds.
Not like I'm an expert though, I'm still running into a brick wall of willful ignorance every time I try to engage with my trump loving parents 🙄
Here’s the thing, Fox News outspends me all the money to none. I just don’t have a shot in hell. Also, I’m the one that has to think up factual arguments while the other side is comfortable screaming crazy racist shit if they think no one is looking. I’d rather talk to allies and push them to greater action than waste another minute detangling the conservative mind.
An outstanding long-term stragegy, but nowadays, even CEOs don't give a damn about "long term". They'll take their tens of millions of $ compensation package and move on to another company, leaving the mess to the next one.
Has been on the road for years and they're expanding to Europe next year... Nothing close to original promised specs, but there's videos on YouTube just asking their drivers what they think, they mostly like them.
Europe has had electric trucks from Volvo, Mercedes, MAN and Freightliner for years; forgive us if we're not overly excited about the arrival of that ugly ass PoS...
I didn't defend or promote it as a good thing, I just stated a fact. Pretending like it doesn't exist just because you don't like it or pedo-nazi Elmo doesn't change the fact that it does...
Fun fact: it's definitely not going to slow. It's about to get even worse. Unless of course the government decides to subsidize the hell out of diesel to make it cheaper.
It's now no more than 8 driving without 30 minutes not driving. Used to have to be off duty, but now it can be on duty not driving, so fueling or unloading or whatnot. So not a break per se.
Well this is fuel hauling, so multiple stops or loads in a day to service stations. Even if they had rail service set up at the gas station for delivery, rail companies in the US hate small customers like that these days.
Just a couple of years ago in my neighborhood a truck driver was arrested because he offloaded 4000 gallons of gasoline at a gas station, then ran the hose down an embankment next to the station and pumped the remaining 8000 gallons into a creek. He did this because he wanted to go home and didn't feel like making the rest of his stops. He apparently thought nobody would notice; for bonus points this was right next to a charter school which had to be evacuated while they cleaned up the mess.
He was arrested and sentenced to 20+ years in prison. This is the intelligence level that can get hired as a fuel truck driver (TBF I'm sure they're not all that stupid).
Edit: just for funsies, the gas station where this happened recently rebranded as a "Freedom Fuel" station lol.
I've herd of people dumping the news papers they had to deliver in order to say they diliverd them. But this is different. Doesn't the guy need to get the invoice signed at every station?
I think his strategy was to tell his bosses he had run out of fuel and wouldn't be able to make the rest of his deliveries. But I dunno, the articles about this never said what his thought process was. I drive past this station twice a day and the stink from it was horrible. 8000 gallons is a lot of fucking gas.
This reminds me that years ago I was friends with a bunch of Red Bull girls. Their job was to pick up the Red Bull mini-cooper, fill it with cases of Red Bull and then drive around handing out free samples wherever people were while being attractive. They were very good at the being attractive part, but most days they would just drive to the river, dump the cases of Red Bull in it, and then go home and get high. Their bosses suspected something like this was going on and gave them all Windows Mobile PDAs that tracked their location by GPS. I checked out the tracking app (I was a Windows Mobile developer at the time) and it turned out it just logged their GPS coordinates once an hour into a plain text file. I showed them how to edit the file to make it look like they were driving around -- just doing my part saving at least some people from trying fucking Red Bull.
The only way this would be more efficient would for direct piping but this would be less efficient as you would need to create a network and not all stations would want to sign up. The airports in the UK operat this but this was so it's harder to cut supplies off to airports as they are critical infrastructure.
It was made expensive by letting the oil companies force regulatory capture on it, then tear up all the rails they let could. There were more rails in the US 100 years ago then there are today. Adding stops didn't take years when there were already rails near by to branch off of. The only reason adding stops is so hard now it because the cut down lines.
One train stop (utility freight, not passanger) is much larger, sure. But how many tons does it process compared to an 18-wheeler? Then, in high density urban centers where you have passenger trains, they normally put them underground. Meaning, the only "land" they take up is about the size of 2 pumps, without the accompanying convenient store. Meanwhile, they remove thousands of cars off the road per day.
It is unquestionably more efficient to run more trains for both freight or passenger. That is why oil and gas hate it. So they buy-in and stack the boards of the rail companies, beg congress for more "regulation and safety", and cripple expansion with mandatory oversight comittees to slow down whatever gets through. All classic plays.
and what about in less urban areas, where there are a higher number of gas stations per person? where you don't need more than a semitruck of gasoline/desil/propane per week?
Rail can add and remove heavy rail temporary sidings in a matter of hours. When rail was the only powered freight option agricultural sidings would be put down to collect produce in a small area, then picked up and moved down the tracks a couple of miles, rinse and repeat. There are places in the world right now where narrow gauge light rail is placed into fields to collect produce, and picked up and moved multiple times for the same field.
As a non-American, I find it baffling and hilarious that many Americans are proud to work 80 hours a week. It's not a flex. They'd regret having done so when they become too frail and forgetful at the old age. And all the money they saved and pension being collected will be spent on healthcare and medication instead.
They did not even live their life when they were young and they won't even enjoy the remainder.
Americans are no dumber than any other demographic. They have, however, been subject to a century-long propaganda campaign to instill subservience to capitalist ideology while those same capitalists have been dismantling any educational system or media outlet that might break that subservience.
Beware of the "Americans dumb" rhetoric, because a false sense of superiority is the exact thing that led Americans to accept the propaganda. It can happen to your country, too (and probably is happening, to be real).
50% of US citizens read at 5th grade level or lower. This doesn't sound too terrible until you remember that those tests are actually comprehension tests. Majority of us have less comprehensive abilities than we expect out of children, and this was before the "ai" boom, you know it's gotten exponentially worse already and will continue to decline at an ever accelerating pace. We genuinely are some of the dumbest motherfuckers our species has to offer.
I guess I'm distinguishing between innately dumb and dumb-by-design. Poor reading comprehension is a result of the intentional dismantling of our education system. It's not the people's fault, it's the capitalists.
Yup, my father drives semi's hauling cargo, and he's seen and told me of the number of horrific accidents that happen. We live in the same city and if he tells me of a recent accident he's seen, it almost never is reported through the news, but that could be biased since I don't search all of the news sites for it. But when a semi ploughs through a line of cars, killing several people on the freeway that were stopped from a previous accident ahead of them, I would expect to see it on most local stations...but it wasn't. Similar accident with long team haulers, driver fell asleep at wheel hit another semi from behind, destroyed the truck killing both, my father said as he drove by the accident he could see body parts strewn along the road. So, so many stories.
PS all this has me extreme vigilant and paranoid when driving around semi's on the freeway, especially those people who can't pass a semi and just hang out next to them matching their speed when I'm trying to get around them too
Like any recurring events it's boring reporting every deadly event in a city. Like suicides or school shooting. Next your going to want the wether to be news or sporting events to end every news show. Should they hire a different person to explain eather of these things.
Yeah. Nothing scares me more than trucks on the road. I've had close calls, heard about many close calls, seen them drive like shit thousands of times. I haven't seen body parts myself but some of the accidents I've seen make me think they were not survivable. I've also known people who work on crashed trucks and the stories are pretty disturbing (amount of blood left in the truck, etc).
Trucks generally clog up the highway and it's clear to me from the many times I've seen them ride side by side for miles, preventing anyone from passing them, that they communicate and see non commercial/smaller vehicles as being a problem to unite against. I've seen truly unhinged driving from truck drivers. I can sometimes feel for them because it's gotta be a tough job, on the other hand they can easily kill me and I find myself wondering how much they think about that. We surely don't need rules relaxed which help abate those kinds of driving problems. We need less trucks on the roads and a better rail system. It's hard to imagine any of these needs being addressed in the US though. We cannot all even agree that law enforcement shouldn't be murdering and disappearing US citizens right now... :(
Why do you think every other billboard on the interstate is for some lawyer suing truckers? Then trucker insurance goes up and they pass that expense on to shippers and everything gets more expensive. Businesses don’t care because everything’s is owned by the same private equities anyway - so the rich get richer.
...it might be a new benefit in hiring, we'll compensate a per centage of your fuel costs...after two months...and we've earned interest on it..follow my rabbit hole for further financial advice.../s?
Trump is doing something Algore could only have wet dreams about.... Trump is ending the Diesel and internal combustion engine (poorly planned acronymy). He might not like it but as soon as he is out and all the refineries are in shambles something has to replace all that. Probably hydrogen, and battery powered vehicles.
Toyota tried hydrogen years ago and it didn't really catch on. If the global gas economy crashes, I know a lot of locations they could use as hydrogen fuel pumps.
It didn't catch on because it's stupid on multiple levels, from infrastructure engineering to realpolitik. Japan as a nation is just desperate for energy independence and pretending the hydrogen will be sourced from the expensive electrolysis and not cheap natural gas refinement was a way to get free government money.
They convinced themselves that all the petrostates, which includes America and Russia, would just abandon their current economic advantage to pay them billions of dollars to rebuild their entire vehicle fuel infrastructure, since they would be the industry leaders and the only major source of engineering knowhow.
Well I'd like to add that Ford did too indirectly and it works. I personally rode both a fuel cell bus and one with a Ford Hydrogen combustion engine and both worked wonderfully. The hydrogen was sourced from electrolysis at a wind turbine. It was a proof of concept. And most relevantly... Toyota is at this again. It actually never quit because it is a smart move. Hydrogen can be easily had from natural gas or water and natural gas or oil is already the normal fuel. So you start at normal, then you switch when normal is gone. It's expensive but let's remember, Japan is an island with no oil deposits and a ton of smart people. Ofcourse they would try to figure it out.
It doesn't matter. What matters is the guy is taming and cramming all the bulks he can find into the oil business China shop when the rest of the world leads in clean energy. When the dust settles, my guess is people will still be cold in winter and hot in summer and will still not care about where their energy comes from.
A couple years ago in the US, they switched from largely paper-based driver logging and random checks to an all-electronic tracking system, which was much more difficult to fake. Basically overnight, every rest stop and free truck parking area was jam-packed, and states have had to expand them since. It's important to note that nothing about the rest requirements actually changed, just how they were enforced. So, logically, before the electronic logging, a large number of truckers were just flagrantly ignoring the law, and it became evident after the fact.
I wonder if there's a name for that kind of phenomena.
You think we would have learned this from school. When there’s no teacher in the room to watch the testing, some kids alway cheat. The more they get away with it, the more kids decide to cheat. This seems super basic, but somehow they still convince people “self regulation” works.
Time flies. I was in the industry, working for one of the first companies to install electronic tachographs into trucks. When I left in 2011, our customers were largely hazardous materials transporters, with a sprinkling of companies that were caught with so many HOS violations that the DOT ordered them to use devices like hours. That was indeed more than a decade ago, but it feels like yesterday.
This is like bumping the speed limit up five mph. People are already speeding, now the "enforced" limit is just higher. Some truck drivers push things to try and get more loads in a week. Electronic logs makes this harder to hide, but they still do it. Which gets back to the reason for the rule, to reduce fatigue on the road. Be careful out there, since no one making sure the roads are safer.
Except in a few exceptional circumstances this is surprisingly not the case. People drive at a speed they perceive as appropriate for the design of the road. Wider roads, wider lanes, straighter roads, open sightlines, and bigger shoulders will make people naturally settle on driving faster. This is why just blithely reducing speed limits with poxy signs on problem roads famously doesn't accomplish anything. It's also why people go bombing down the stroad in your local commercial district at 55+ MPH in complete contravention of all the signs everywhere that probably say something around 35. The damn thing looks like a highway to peoples' monkey brains, so they treat it as such.
People certainly talk about how "my strategy for speeding is to take the speed limit and then you can go around 5/10/15/whatever over and the cops probably won't care," and if you sit there in the passenger seat and actively press them on it they may actually drive that way for as many as several consecutive minutes. But in actual reality most of them just fall back to their perceptual "intuitive" speed for whatever road along with everyone else. Especially if they see everyone else passing them.
Increasing and decreasing speeds have different results. A speed tgat seems too slow is not treated the same as one that is too fast.
You are correct that reducing speeds under the speed people drive doesn't tend to reduce speeds actually driven. Speed limits are not as effective as things thst encourage driving slower.
Increasing speed limits doesn't mean people ignore the limit and go under the new limit. They do scale up, including those who tend to drive a certain amount over the limit.
UK national speed limit is a good example of this in some places. Narrow country lanes, yeah technically the speed limit is 60 but you will die if you tried it and it would be considered driving dangerously. So people don't drive above the speed limit.
Some still drive dangerously fast, they would do so anywhere. But the speed limit isn't setting their speed.
That's exactly what happens. And some of those who were "going too fast for the road" are now "legal". Which is what will happen with truckers. They won't be okay with the new 16 hour limit, they were probably pushing it past that already. They'll just see if it they can go a bit more. Meaning more risk for everyone so we can get more stuff consumed faster.
Recently heard someone at work moaning about getting their 3rd penalty for speeding and not being able to take a speed awareness course because of how many times they have done it now.
Guy said he usually drives almost 80 in a 70. Yeah that will do it. He might lose his license soon, but apparently the oldest one does expire soon.
Here, if you aren't doing 75+ in a 70, you are a road hazard. It varies from state to state, but here 10 over is considered completely sane, and the chance of being pulled over for it are slim outside of a school zone or the cop's own neighborhood. I've had cops start tailgating me because I was only going 5 over.
Relaxing all these various regulations set up decades ago to reduce deaths will probably do the same. Look for more truck accidents, coming soon. I've seen enough of them weaving and drifting during late night trips before, but it's okay, give them a few more hours on the road.
Well, if they don't eat, shower, take a walk or rest, never clean their clothes, do any chores or have free time, they can still sleep for ~7h after they park the truck and make sure the load is still secured.
I don't know what kind of driver you were. However, my dad's been driving for around 30 years and he makes sure to sleep and shower and he does his laundry and everything else like that because all of the truck stops happen to have all of that stuff available to them. In fact, I do IT work now, and I work at a lot of the pilots and flying J's, and for example, one of the ones I just did in a remote town was fix a shower door so that way it made sure to lock and unlock properly with the code. That being said, I can guarantee fucking t. He's going to be extremely pissed if they try to force him to drive 16 hours a day.
I started before that. I did some LTL and OTR driving. You could find showers and some washing machines, if they were working, to wash your clothes along the interstates, but get off the road any distance and that all went away. I always loved getting to Ohio because their wayside rest stops had free showers for truck drivers. A welcome relief from paying $5 to $8 dollars to take a shower. If you wanted a free shower, you had to buy enough fuel for that.
He might be pissed now about driving 16 hours, but I can guarantee that he did drive those hours at times back in the day.
The problem will solve itself when diesel runs out in a few weeks, from what i hear the whole fuel production system is strained to the limit, so a even a small breakdown will give ripples through the system.
I think we'd sooner see gas dry up than diesel. If it comes push to shove it's a lot easier to replace gas vehicles than diesel, there's simply no alternative for global shipping!
Ah yes, because we know Precision Scheduled Railroading with the freight train industry has worked so well, let's legislate the means by which we can employ less of the already overworked staff under the guise of optimization, when in reality it's yet another way to funnel even more money towards the top.
I truly believe self-driving for trucks on freeways would be a net society gain to get rid of this nonsense. Truckers should just pickup shipments at hubs for local delivery where their expertise delivers more value.
how expensive (and paperwork intensive) is it in Europe (or other places with functional train infrastructure) for the average person to ship one 20ft container by rail?
So, like, automated truck driving on the highway, then they pull into a trucking hub for delivery drivers to take over once they reach their destination city? hmmm interesting
That's generally been considered the first step to fully automated trucking, yeah. Autonomous on the highway, then to a hub where a human takes over the last mile type stuff that requires more skill. Or you could even just have regional hubs that then break it down into smaller trucks for local delivery, reducing the need for full size 53' trucks in town at all.
You need fewer drivers overall, need almost no long haul drivers since drivers would be local to the area and only handle the in town stuff, and don't have to worry about seat time limits on the highway.
It would also make going full electric on semis easier.
That's why I'm focusing on highway travel: it's the more controlled environment. The fact that car companies are offering hands-free highway driving is evidence of that. Local roads are a much more complex problem, and that's where a human driver is much more capable.
I do believe that’s what that “may” is there for. Short for maybe, it gives them an out if (and it’s a rather large if) they actually manage to make cars that drive themselves.
I've often wondered why every new passenger vehicle sold in the US over the past decade or so has sensors that let you know if there's something in your blind spot, but semis are not using this technology even though they have much larger blind spots. I would think you'd see trucks adopting this other safety equipment before they go full self-driving.
First, trucks have longer breaking distances which a lot of sensors aren't designed for. Second, many trucks carry trailers which are provided by others, so sensors are likely not going to be attached.
And further more, this entire thread is bullshit as I am a trucker and my 2023 Volvo has the most annoyingly realistic car horn sound anytime I flip on a blinker with a car beside me. They've been in semi trucks for quite some time now, over 10 years at least if memory serves. We also have forward tracking radar that only rarely slams on the breaks when going under an overpass as well!
Those blind spot sensors are mounted in the back of the vehicle. That doesn’t work for towed trailers. You would have to use a different sensor technology than the current cheap/simple/reliable sonar sensors.
We don't need self-driving trucks for this. This is already how intermodal shipping works: a driver picks up a container and takes it to a rail yard, it gets loaded onto a train, and then when it gets near enough to where it's going, another driver takes it from the rail yard for final delivery.
The reasons for not doing intermodal are the same as not being able to do self-driving trucks: oversize loads, document-controlled shipments (haz-mats, for example), and mixed deliveries along a route. Almost everything else could be put on a train, but it would take some infrastructure upgrades and likely unattainable levels of cooperation from shippers.
Hell even the delivery along routes issue is one that can and has been solved in the past. The railway post office sorted mail en route for by postal clerks and existed as late as the 1970s, because Nixon was from SoCal and we really like our trains. While it may not be fully applicable it could still work for smaller liquid sort items, as for larger carriage specific ones I'm aware of at least one railyard that used to have those ones unlatched and moved as needed within a 5 minute period not accounting for stopping.
Currently allowed to drive for 11, shift can be up to 14 hours. Im curious what the drive time will be. As is is maximum safe level. Especially as the baseline. I think there should be outlier drivers allowed to drive more than 11, but not every driver. (OTR low population density, i.e. North dakota/Montana routes)
Any truckers in here want to share their thoughts? Is the extra 2 hours of drive time before being forced to stop a benefit for your routes and timetables? Or is being expected to drive 16 hours at a time on every run gonna wear you out?
I'm not a trucker, so I don't know. I've had trucker friends complain about being forced to stop while only a few min out from a delivery. I've also had trucker friends complain about driving hours on end without stopping.
Owner operator is much different than employee. If you want to drive and are motivated to do so, that is one thing. If terms of your employment are drive when told to, to the letter of the "law" it sucks ass.
There is a difference between driving straight for 10+ hours and driving and stopping for 10 or more hours...
Im not actually a truck driver but I have done deliveries for 10 hours.
Also I have driven a car for 10 hours straight and hitting that point at least for me driving becomes dangerous the road fucks with your internals... messes with your inner equilibrium and shit... why when you drive you get sleepy for no fucking reason...
So yeah this is greed and a lack of fucking care for human life in general... as per course for the us currently...
Sir, I wasnt driving that past hour, there was an accident and it was gridlocked for the whole hour, I didnt move an inch! Please let me finish my delivery 15 minutes away!
So this is for truckers transporting gas and diesel.
Are they just trying to look good, or are they trying to minimally lower the price of those products before the midterms? Will it even have an effect? It's not like the price is high due to the local distribution in the USA.
(Unlike Switzerland where the low water line of the Rhine has actually increased the price of importing the gas, beyond the high price on the world market.)
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supernicepojo@lemmy.world · 211 pts · 1d
Truckers arent going to be driving anywhere if the price of diesel doesnt slow.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 71 pts · 1d
I don't think many people understand how that will affect them.
DaveyRocket@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1d
After being unable to convince anyone of anything that was going to happen and change even one mind, my only joy is watching them suffer the results of their shitty choices. My next high is scheduled for next year when everyone scratches their head on why the governemt needs to double the national deficit to bail out Dario and Sam.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I hope they all die violent deaths.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
Now that's no reason to give up. After COVID hit, I had a coworker that was anti-vaccine, and she talked to me about it, because she assumed I was as well. I had mentioned something about how whenever I accidentally drop food on the floor, I eat it as a challenge to my immune system. She expected that that thought carried over to vaccine hesitancy. I later sent her an e-mail telling her that my trick of challenging my immune system, was exactly what vaccines were. Then dove into what vaccines actually are and how they work. She later thanked me, and said that I helped her and her husband finally go and get their shots. It was real cool.
So, sometimes, if you approach it the right way, you can still change peoples minds.
Not like I'm an expert though, I'm still running into a brick wall of willful ignorance every time I try to engage with my trump loving parents 🙄
DaveyRocket@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
Here’s the thing, Fox News outspends me all the money to none. I just don’t have a shot in hell. Also, I’m the one that has to think up factual arguments while the other side is comfortable screaming crazy racist shit if they think no one is looking. I’d rather talk to allies and push them to greater action than waste another minute detangling the conservative mind.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 22h
Well they won't change how they vote, IMO.
TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club · 24 pts · 1d
Is Elmo's electric truck ready yet?
reddig33@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 1d
Volvo’s is.
https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/electric.html
Ford and GM canceled their electric delivery vans though. Perfect timing!
https://insideevs.com/news/776511/gm-brightdrop-production-ending-2025/
https://fordauthority.com/2025/12/ford-ev-van-also-cancelled-new-gas-model-will-take-its-place/
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
American car manufacturers are terrified of having to compete with Chinese EVs, so they're not even going to make them at all.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
An outstanding long-term stragegy, but nowadays, even CEOs don't give a damn about "long term". They'll take their tens of millions of $ compensation package and move on to another company, leaving the mess to the next one.
Capitalism at its top efficiency.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
nomecks@lemmy.wtf · 14 pts · 1d
Best I can offer is a Canadian diesel electric hybrid.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 1d
Now with 1,000% more toddler tantrum tariffs.
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
Edison is doing some crazy shit
Fallibilist@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 1d
Those are diesel-electric though. Effectively a diesel locomotive on wheels.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 2 pts · 1d
Bah, we don't need to Commiedian Hybrid nonsense, we're MURRICA. We will just conquer Commieda and take their oil to lower prices!
/s
3abas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Has been on the road for years and they're expanding to Europe next year... Nothing close to original promised specs, but there's videos on YouTube just asking their drivers what they think, they mostly like them.
timochka@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1d
Europe has had electric trucks from Volvo, Mercedes, MAN and Freightliner for years; forgive us if we're not overly excited about the arrival of that ugly ass PoS...
3abas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 21h
I didn't defend or promote it as a good thing, I just stated a fact. Pretending like it doesn't exist just because you don't like it or pedo-nazi Elmo doesn't change the fact that it does...
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
It has the full self driving working right?
TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 21h
You know that scene in Logan with all the autonomous trucks driving around? That's what it's gonna be like.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
its filled with ketamine.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Not to worry. We can always increase the limit to 24 hours per day, and make them drag the trailers with bicycles.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 1d
We can just import more meth from the drug boats we blew up.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1d
Fun fact: it's definitely not going to slow. It's about to get even worse. Unless of course the government decides to subsidize the hell out of diesel to make it cheaper.
FundMECFS@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 17h
We’ve got to remove private monopolies on rail lines so freight rail can be used efficiently as a major alternative to trucking.
Maestro@fedia.io · 136 pts · 1d
Even the original 14 is horrible. Here it's 9-10 hours per day max, with a cap of 56 hours per week.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 1d
And required pauses.
village604@adultswim.fan · 22 pts · 1d
The US has laws about taking breaks, but of course they're woefully inadequate.
EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
It's now no more than 8 driving without 30 minutes not driving. Used to have to be off duty, but now it can be on duty not driving, so fueling or unloading or whatnot. So not a break per se.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 11 pts · 1d
I was about to say, they are alliwed 14 hour drives? Clownshit
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 6h
Unless you only work a half week
reddig33@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 1d
If you’re driving 16 hours a day, then your cargo should probably be going by rail.
EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Well this is fuel hauling, so multiple stops or loads in a day to service stations. Even if they had rail service set up at the gas station for delivery, rail companies in the US hate small customers like that these days.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
Just a couple of years ago in my neighborhood a truck driver was arrested because he offloaded 4000 gallons of gasoline at a gas station, then ran the hose down an embankment next to the station and pumped the remaining 8000 gallons into a creek. He did this because he wanted to go home and didn't feel like making the rest of his stops. He apparently thought nobody would notice; for bonus points this was right next to a charter school which had to be evacuated while they cleaned up the mess.
He was arrested and sentenced to 20+ years in prison. This is the intelligence level that can get hired as a fuel truck driver (TBF I'm sure they're not all that stupid).
Edit: just for funsies, the gas station where this happened recently rebranded as a "Freedom Fuel" station lol.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 1d
I've herd of people dumping the news papers they had to deliver in order to say they diliverd them. But this is different. Doesn't the guy need to get the invoice signed at every station?
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I think his strategy was to tell his bosses he had run out of fuel and wouldn't be able to make the rest of his deliveries. But I dunno, the articles about this never said what his thought process was. I drive past this station twice a day and the stink from it was horrible. 8000 gallons is a lot of fucking gas.
This reminds me that years ago I was friends with a bunch of Red Bull girls. Their job was to pick up the Red Bull mini-cooper, fill it with cases of Red Bull and then drive around handing out free samples wherever people were while being attractive. They were very good at the being attractive part, but most days they would just drive to the river, dump the cases of Red Bull in it, and then go home and get high. Their bosses suspected something like this was going on and gave them all Windows Mobile PDAs that tracked their location by GPS. I checked out the tracking app (I was a Windows Mobile developer at the time) and it turned out it just logged their GPS coordinates once an hour into a plain text file. I showed them how to edit the file to make it look like they were driving around -- just doing my part saving at least some people from trying fucking Red Bull.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 23h
Hm now I'm wondering how the volumes compare, between what one truck carries and how much one gas station stores.
I just noticed I have no idea how large those burried tanks are.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1d
The only way this would be more efficient would for direct piping but this would be less efficient as you would need to create a network and not all stations would want to sign up. The airports in the UK operat this but this was so it's harder to cut supplies off to airports as they are critical infrastructure.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 1d
rail has ludicrously expensive infrastructure and no way of adding new stops in less than multiple years.
MrEff@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
It was made expensive by letting the oil companies force regulatory capture on it, then tear up all the rails they let could. There were more rails in the US 100 years ago then there are today. Adding stops didn't take years when there were already rails near by to branch off of. The only reason adding stops is so hard now it because the cut down lines.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
don't train stops still need significantly more land than is practical for individual gas stations to have?
MrEff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
One train stop (utility freight, not passanger) is much larger, sure. But how many tons does it process compared to an 18-wheeler? Then, in high density urban centers where you have passenger trains, they normally put them underground. Meaning, the only "land" they take up is about the size of 2 pumps, without the accompanying convenient store. Meanwhile, they remove thousands of cars off the road per day.
It is unquestionably more efficient to run more trains for both freight or passenger. That is why oil and gas hate it. So they buy-in and stack the boards of the rail companies, beg congress for more "regulation and safety", and cripple expansion with mandatory oversight comittees to slow down whatever gets through. All classic plays.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 1d
and what about in less urban areas, where there are a higher number of gas stations per person? where you don't need more than a semitruck of gasoline/desil/propane per week?
hissingmeerkat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 13h
Rail can add and remove heavy rail temporary sidings in a matter of hours. When rail was the only powered freight option agricultural sidings would be put down to collect produce in a small area, then picked up and moved down the tracks a couple of miles, rinse and repeat. There are places in the world right now where narrow gauge light rail is placed into fields to collect produce, and picked up and moved multiple times for the same field.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 1d
Lol. The U.S. is on a suicide speedrun.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 1d
As a non-American, I find it baffling and hilarious that many Americans are proud to work 80 hours a week. It's not a flex. They'd regret having done so when they become too frail and forgetful at the old age. And all the money they saved and pension being collected will be spent on healthcare and medication instead.
They did not even live their life when they were young and they won't even enjoy the remainder.
ElChinchilla@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Jokes on you, I'm young(ish) and not enjoying it already. Haven't been enjoying it since about 2002.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
We don't even have pensions.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
apparently in academia, they think its a flex for PI to be working that much, granted the competitive to be hired at 4-year is pretty high.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 21h
Didn't live when was young. Can confirm.
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
They’re fucking dumb
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15h
Propagandized == Dumb. No one is immune to propaganda, but propaganda can be overcome.
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h
The dumber the better propaganda works. And Americans are dumb as shit. Don't believe me, look who is president for the second time
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h
Americans are no dumber than any other demographic. They have, however, been subject to a century-long propaganda campaign to instill subservience to capitalist ideology while those same capitalists have been dismantling any educational system or media outlet that might break that subservience.
Beware of the "Americans dumb" rhetoric, because a false sense of superiority is the exact thing that led Americans to accept the propaganda. It can happen to your country, too (and probably is happening, to be real).
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12h
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
I guess I'm distinguishing between innately dumb and dumb-by-design. Poor reading comprehension is a result of the intentional dismantling of our education system. It's not the people's fault, it's the capitalists.
Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 13h
Look around the world. Many corrupt and evil people are taking hold of power.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
Just like the Japanese and Chinese right?
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Nah, it's been a marathon this is just that last sprint before the finish.
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20h
The finish line is a cliff/societal collapse.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 1d
Then we'll be expected to ignore the immediate uptick in related accidents and fatalities
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
The news will most certainly ignore it
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 1d
Or blame it on Mexicans.
MunkyNutts@feddit.online · 15 pts · 1d
Yup, my father drives semi's hauling cargo, and he's seen and told me of the number of horrific accidents that happen. We live in the same city and if he tells me of a recent accident he's seen, it almost never is reported through the news, but that could be biased since I don't search all of the news sites for it. But when a semi ploughs through a line of cars, killing several people on the freeway that were stopped from a previous accident ahead of them, I would expect to see it on most local stations...but it wasn't. Similar accident with long team haulers, driver fell asleep at wheel hit another semi from behind, destroyed the truck killing both, my father said as he drove by the accident he could see body parts strewn along the road. So, so many stories.
PS all this has me extreme vigilant and paranoid when driving around semi's on the freeway, especially those people who can't pass a semi and just hang out next to them matching their speed when I'm trying to get around them too
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 1d
Like any recurring events it's boring reporting every deadly event in a city. Like suicides or school shooting. Next your going to want the wether to be news or sporting events to end every news show. Should they hire a different person to explain eather of these things.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Car companies don't want their advertisement to be muddled by car crashes.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
Yeah. Nothing scares me more than trucks on the road. I've had close calls, heard about many close calls, seen them drive like shit thousands of times. I haven't seen body parts myself but some of the accidents I've seen make me think they were not survivable. I've also known people who work on crashed trucks and the stories are pretty disturbing (amount of blood left in the truck, etc).
Trucks generally clog up the highway and it's clear to me from the many times I've seen them ride side by side for miles, preventing anyone from passing them, that they communicate and see non commercial/smaller vehicles as being a problem to unite against. I've seen truly unhinged driving from truck drivers. I can sometimes feel for them because it's gotta be a tough job, on the other hand they can easily kill me and I find myself wondering how much they think about that. We surely don't need rules relaxed which help abate those kinds of driving problems. We need less trucks on the roads and a better rail system. It's hard to imagine any of these needs being addressed in the US though. We cannot all even agree that law enforcement shouldn't be murdering and disappearing US citizens right now... :(
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
Unrelated, it could be because of those leftists and their Biden era agendas!!!
SpikedIguana@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
Too many bike lanes - someone who lives where a bike lane has never been considered
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I don't follow what you're saying
franzfurdinand@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
I'm pretty sure the person you're replying to is satirizing what a Republican response would or could be.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I see. I thought it was sarcasm but I wasn't totally sure how.
UsernamesAreForSuckers@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Why do you think every other billboard on the interstate is for some lawyer suing truckers? Then trucker insurance goes up and they pass that expense on to shippers and everything gets more expensive. Businesses don’t care because everything’s is owned by the same private equities anyway - so the rich get richer.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 1d
The point is moot. With diesel skyrocketing they won't be able to drive at all.
notsure@fedia.io · 10 pts · 1d
...it might be a new benefit in hiring, we'll compensate a per centage of your fuel costs...after two months...and we've earned interest on it..follow my rabbit hole for further financial advice.../s?
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Then the industry practice will be to force all the truckers with than benefit after 1 month, 3 weeks, 6 days so they don't have to pay it.
notsure@fedia.io · 2 pts · 20h
...you must be a graduate of my FAMILY accounting course, any problems with that?..menaces
altphoto@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 1d
Trump is doing something Algore could only have wet dreams about.... Trump is ending the Diesel and internal combustion engine (poorly planned acronymy). He might not like it but as soon as he is out and all the refineries are in shambles something has to replace all that. Probably hydrogen, and battery powered vehicles.
13igtyme@startrek.website · 6 pts · 22h
Toyota tried hydrogen years ago and it didn't really catch on. If the global gas economy crashes, I know a lot of locations they could use as hydrogen fuel pumps.
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social · 5 pts · 20h
It didn't catch on because it's stupid on multiple levels, from infrastructure engineering to realpolitik. Japan as a nation is just desperate for energy independence and pretending the hydrogen will be sourced from the expensive electrolysis and not cheap natural gas refinement was a way to get free government money.
They convinced themselves that all the petrostates, which includes America and Russia, would just abandon their current economic advantage to pay them billions of dollars to rebuild their entire vehicle fuel infrastructure, since they would be the industry leaders and the only major source of engineering knowhow.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 16h
Well I'd like to add that Ford did too indirectly and it works. I personally rode both a fuel cell bus and one with a Ford Hydrogen combustion engine and both worked wonderfully. The hydrogen was sourced from electrolysis at a wind turbine. It was a proof of concept. And most relevantly... Toyota is at this again. It actually never quit because it is a smart move. Hydrogen can be easily had from natural gas or water and natural gas or oil is already the normal fuel. So you start at normal, then you switch when normal is gone. It's expensive but let's remember, Japan is an island with no oil deposits and a ton of smart people. Ofcourse they would try to figure it out.
mangobanana@discuss.online · 1 pts · 16h
Trump is not that smart
altphoto@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 16h
It doesn't matter. What matters is the guy is taming and cramming all the bulks he can find into the oil business China shop when the rest of the world leads in clean energy. When the dust settles, my guess is people will still be cold in winter and hot in summer and will still not care about where their energy comes from.
gamerdonkey@lemmy.sdf.org · 66 pts · 1d
A couple years ago in the US, they switched from largely paper-based driver logging and random checks to an all-electronic tracking system, which was much more difficult to fake. Basically overnight, every rest stop and free truck parking area was jam-packed, and states have had to expand them since. It's important to note that nothing about the rest requirements actually changed, just how they were enforced. So, logically, before the electronic logging, a large number of truckers were just flagrantly ignoring the law, and it became evident after the fact.
I wonder if there's a name for that kind of phenomena.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 1d
I don't know about a name. I will just write it once more as this is yet another example of: "self-regulation is the same as no regulation".
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 36 pts · 1d
Yup!
UsernamesAreForSuckers@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
You think we would have learned this from school. When there’s no teacher in the room to watch the testing, some kids alway cheat. The more they get away with it, the more kids decide to cheat. This seems super basic, but somehow they still convince people “self regulation” works.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
A couple years ago? My grandpa was a trucker and this changed before he died over a decade ago.
Bruncvik@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Time flies. I was in the industry, working for one of the first companies to install electronic tachographs into trucks. When I left in 2011, our customers were largely hazardous materials transporters, with a sprinkling of companies that were caught with so many HOS violations that the DOT ordered them to use devices like hours. That was indeed more than a decade ago, but it feels like yesterday.
gamerdonkey@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 1d
Yeah, I guess the paper logs phaseout started in 2017, so a couple more years than a couple 🤣
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/implementation-timeline
As they say: time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like an banana.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 65 pts · 1d
This is like bumping the speed limit up five mph. People are already speeding, now the "enforced" limit is just higher. Some truck drivers push things to try and get more loads in a week. Electronic logs makes this harder to hide, but they still do it. Which gets back to the reason for the rule, to reduce fatigue on the road. Be careful out there, since no one making sure the roads are safer.
snooggums@piefed.world · 24 pts · 1d
Increasing the speed limit is likely to mean people just adjust the level of speeding to match.
If everyone is driving 45 in a 40, increasing it to 45 means they will go 50.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
Except in a few exceptional circumstances this is surprisingly not the case. People drive at a speed they perceive as appropriate for the design of the road. Wider roads, wider lanes, straighter roads, open sightlines, and bigger shoulders will make people naturally settle on driving faster. This is why just blithely reducing speed limits with poxy signs on problem roads famously doesn't accomplish anything. It's also why people go bombing down the stroad in your local commercial district at 55+ MPH in complete contravention of all the signs everywhere that probably say something around 35. The damn thing looks like a highway to peoples' monkey brains, so they treat it as such.
People certainly talk about how "my strategy for speeding is to take the speed limit and then you can go around 5/10/15/whatever over and the cops probably won't care," and if you sit there in the passenger seat and actively press them on it they may actually drive that way for as many as several consecutive minutes. But in actual reality most of them just fall back to their perceptual "intuitive" speed for whatever road along with everyone else. Especially if they see everyone else passing them.
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 1d
Increasing and decreasing speeds have different results. A speed tgat seems too slow is not treated the same as one that is too fast.
You are correct that reducing speeds under the speed people drive doesn't tend to reduce speeds actually driven. Speed limits are not as effective as things thst encourage driving slower.
Increasing speed limits doesn't mean people ignore the limit and go under the new limit. They do scale up, including those who tend to drive a certain amount over the limit.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 1d
UK national speed limit is a good example of this in some places. Narrow country lanes, yeah technically the speed limit is 60 but you will die if you tried it and it would be considered driving dangerously. So people don't drive above the speed limit.
Some still drive dangerously fast, they would do so anywhere. But the speed limit isn't setting their speed.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 15 pts · 1d
That's exactly what happens. And some of those who were "going too fast for the road" are now "legal". Which is what will happen with truckers. They won't be okay with the new 16 hour limit, they were probably pushing it past that already. They'll just see if it they can go a bit more. Meaning more risk for everyone so we can get more stuff consumed faster.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1d
Recently heard someone at work moaning about getting their 3rd penalty for speeding and not being able to take a speed awareness course because of how many times they have done it now.
Guy said he usually drives almost 80 in a 70. Yeah that will do it. He might lose his license soon, but apparently the oldest one does expire soon.
greybeard@feddit.online · 1 pts · 1d
Here, if you aren't doing 75+ in a 70, you are a road hazard. It varies from state to state, but here 10 over is considered completely sane, and the chance of being pulled over for it are slim outside of a school zone or the cop's own neighborhood. I've had cops start tailgating me because I was only going 5 over.
DaGeek247@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1d
Well, except for the people that use the policy to keep their bosses accountable for letting them have comparatively reasonable hours.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Bumping the speed limit 5mph kills x-thousand more people per year.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 1d
Relaxing all these various regulations set up decades ago to reduce deaths will probably do the same. Look for more truck accidents, coming soon. I've seen enough of them weaving and drifting during late night trips before, but it's okay, give them a few more hours on the road.
LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 1d
WCGW?
warbond@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
WCGR?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1d
How is someone supposed to get proper sleep working a sixteen hour day!?
black0ut@pawb.social · 18 pts · 23h
Well, if they don't eat, shower, take a walk or rest, never clean their clothes, do any chores or have free time, they can still sleep for ~7h after they park the truck and make sure the load is still secured.
That's totally not slavery!
Bluewing@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 17h
That’s the cool part. You never could get those things. So don’t think this is anything new.
Source: In my youth, I was dumb enough to drive for a few years, but I was never stupid enough to own one…
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 13h
I don't know what kind of driver you were. However, my dad's been driving for around 30 years and he makes sure to sleep and shower and he does his laundry and everything else like that because all of the truck stops happen to have all of that stuff available to them. In fact, I do IT work now, and I work at a lot of the pilots and flying J's, and for example, one of the ones I just did in a remote town was fix a shower door so that way it made sure to lock and unlock properly with the code. That being said, I can guarantee fucking t. He's going to be extremely pissed if they try to force him to drive 16 hours a day.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13h
I started before that. I did some LTL and OTR driving. You could find showers and some washing machines, if they were working, to wash your clothes along the interstates, but get off the road any distance and that all went away. I always loved getting to Ohio because their wayside rest stops had free showers for truck drivers. A welcome relief from paying $5 to $8 dollars to take a shower. If you wanted a free shower, you had to buy enough fuel for that.
He might be pissed now about driving 16 hours, but I can guarantee that he did drive those hours at times back in the day.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
Sorry wrong place to reply.
Carry on please!
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 26 pts · 1d
Slavery.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 1d
In the 13th amendment i believe. Totally cool and totally legal.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 23h
A very rich man hundreds or thousands of miles away accepts the risks to other peoples lives as a great deal.
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 1d
The problem will solve itself when diesel runs out in a few weeks, from what i hear the whole fuel production system is strained to the limit, so a even a small breakdown will give ripples through the system.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I think we'd sooner see gas dry up than diesel. If it comes push to shove it's a lot easier to replace gas vehicles than diesel, there's simply no alternative for global shipping!
floridaman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1d
Diesel is already drying up. Local gas stations in my area have already stopped selling it at some locations, moreso in coastal cities as well.
Famko@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Same thing is happening in Europe btw, 11% of France's gas stations have run out of gas or diesel completely, with no signs of it getting better.
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1d
Experiencing a 1970s style fuel crisis is not on my bucket list.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h
especially one started for no reason
trump saw those epstien file conversations goin on and went "quick! bomb the middle east!"
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 13h
That sounds safe.
Thor_Whale@lemmus.org · 20 pts · 13h
They've just doomed every person in a car on every major interstate.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
Well, it's one way to boost sales on the gas-guzzling, rolling tanks the US auto makers refuse to diversify away from.
Skysurfer@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 20m
No worries, we can just fly everywhere. Wait, what's that, they just put AI in charge of air traffic control? Okay, yeah, we're doomed.
Nonprophet@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
'This is GREAT News!'
-Meth Dealers
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 20h
Not surprising, apparently no one in the USA gives a damn about traffic safety.
durably465@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 16h
Deregulation because money.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 1d
Hell yeah!!! More fatal trucking collisions LETS FUCKING GOOOO!!!!
fartographer@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 22h
I'm sure Tracy Morgan has an opinion on this decision
Ironrod@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 20h
The last 2 links I've clicked on I've learned that Grizz died and Tracy almost died. Someone tell me Dotcom is doing okay
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social · 5 pts · 20h
I read the articles at the time but they didn't tell me Grizz died, why did you do this to me?
Now I'm sad that he's dead and that the articles at the time didn't think he was worth mentioning over a REAL celebrity.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 15h
He wasn't in that crash. Apparently he died a few months ago from kidney disease. A truck crashed into his home in 2024 though, but he wasn't home.
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social · 2 pts · 5h
This does make me feel better, but now I choose to believe he was in a Final Destination plotline.
UpAndAtThem@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
What could possibly go horribly wrong?
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 15 pts · 1d
Allowing TRUCK DRIVERS to Drive EXHAUSTED is going to SAVE Lives!
-LITERALLY Republicans!
liking625@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 14h
Just that? I am sure true republicans can afford to do much more for the country, why not 24, or double that, 48! Hail Trump!
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13h
He truly is a genius.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1d
Anyone got any meth stocks I can invest in?
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 1d
I'm hoping this means they legalize over-the-counter ephedrine again. I was a skinny little speedfreak back when I could pop three of those per day.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
That'll solve it!
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 1d
Now they can burn through more of the expensive diesel than before!
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 13h
Solves medical debt by closing hospitals.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 12h
Ah yes, because we know Precision Scheduled Railroading with the freight train industry has worked so well, let's legislate the means by which we can employ less of the already overworked staff under the guise of optimization, when in reality it's yet another way to funnel even more money towards the top.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Oh cool. The increase in entry drivers on the road over the last year wasn't enough...
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 13h
Sacrifices (your safety and truckers) must be made in the name of November elections and profits.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 1d
"allow"
KeavesSharpi@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 3h
This will totally fix the diesel price problem. This country is more cooked than the planet itself.
ContactClosure@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 12h
What are we going to fuel these trucks with though
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 9m
METH and coke.
CedricWhaley@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 4h
Truck stop meth.
Sorry, I thought you asked about the drivers.
blackberry28@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
Yeah this will totally not result in more crashes and accidents with unnecessary deaths. Fckn capitalists killing again people.
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I truly believe self-driving for trucks on freeways would be a net society gain to get rid of this nonsense. Truckers should just pickup shipments at hubs for local delivery where their expertise delivers more value.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
You just reinvented trains, but with more public in the way.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Eh, if the public has all been replaced by AI, they won't have money to go anywhere.
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Ideally, it should be, but this would be more likely to happen in the US.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
how expensive (and paperwork intensive) is it in Europe (or other places with functional train infrastructure) for the average person to ship one 20ft container by rail?
4am@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
If you could make self driving reliable you’d have a good point. Currently that tech isn’t good enough, and may never be.
The problem is that ground travel is uncontrolled space, and there is very little room for error.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Highway driving is the easiest to get right though. There are plenty of cars out there already that can handle the highway autonomously just fine.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
So, like, automated truck driving on the highway, then they pull into a trucking hub for delivery drivers to take over once they reach their destination city? hmmm interesting
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
That's generally been considered the first step to fully automated trucking, yeah. Autonomous on the highway, then to a hub where a human takes over the last mile type stuff that requires more skill. Or you could even just have regional hubs that then break it down into smaller trucks for local delivery, reducing the need for full size 53' trucks in town at all.
You need fewer drivers overall, need almost no long haul drivers since drivers would be local to the area and only handle the in town stuff, and don't have to worry about seat time limits on the highway.
It would also make going full electric on semis easier.
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
That's why I'm focusing on highway travel: it's the more controlled environment. The fact that car companies are offering hands-free highway driving is evidence of that. Local roads are a much more complex problem, and that's where a human driver is much more capable.
Fallibilist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
Yes, if we destroy ourselves some other way before we get there. Otherwise it's absolutely going to be.
Never is a forecast of infinity. That's a really long time.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
I do believe that’s what that “may” is there for. Short for maybe, it gives them an out if (and it’s a rather large if) they actually manage to make cars that drive themselves.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 1d
I've often wondered why every new passenger vehicle sold in the US over the past decade or so has sensors that let you know if there's something in your blind spot, but semis are not using this technology even though they have much larger blind spots. I would think you'd see trucks adopting this other safety equipment before they go full self-driving.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 1d
First, trucks have longer breaking distances which a lot of sensors aren't designed for. Second, many trucks carry trailers which are provided by others, so sensors are likely not going to be attached.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1d
Right, but the sensors can be designed for semis, and the trailers should have the sensors just like they have brake lights.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 1d
I just said that the sensors don't have the range, which means they can't be.
There also isn't a standard sensor layout.
Nublets@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
And further more, this entire thread is bullshit as I am a trucker and my 2023 Volvo has the most annoyingly realistic car horn sound anytime I flip on a blinker with a car beside me. They've been in semi trucks for quite some time now, over 10 years at least if memory serves. We also have forward tracking radar that only rarely slams on the breaks when going under an overpass as well!
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
Those blind spot sensors are mounted in the back of the vehicle. That doesn’t work for towed trailers. You would have to use a different sensor technology than the current cheap/simple/reliable sonar sensors.
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 1d
We don't need self-driving trucks for this. This is already how intermodal shipping works: a driver picks up a container and takes it to a rail yard, it gets loaded onto a train, and then when it gets near enough to where it's going, another driver takes it from the rail yard for final delivery.
The reasons for not doing intermodal are the same as not being able to do self-driving trucks: oversize loads, document-controlled shipments (haz-mats, for example), and mixed deliveries along a route. Almost everything else could be put on a train, but it would take some infrastructure upgrades and likely unattainable levels of cooperation from shippers.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Hell even the delivery along routes issue is one that can and has been solved in the past. The railway post office sorted mail en route for by postal clerks and existed as late as the 1970s, because Nixon was from SoCal and we really like our trains. While it may not be fully applicable it could still work for smaller liquid sort items, as for larger carriage specific ones I'm aware of at least one railyard that used to have those ones unlatched and moved as needed within a 5 minute period not accounting for stopping.
Fallibilist@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 1d
Little nuance to the headline:
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 1d
Oh so we’re only reducing safety measures for the most dangerous of the trucks.
…I feel Great Again™
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
There's also nothing as permanent as a temporary solution
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1d
I wonder if a bunch of truckers are going to buy a truck newer than 1993 now.
ElChinchilla@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Currently allowed to drive for 11, shift can be up to 14 hours. Im curious what the drive time will be. As is is maximum safe level. Especially as the baseline. I think there should be outlier drivers allowed to drive more than 11, but not every driver. (OTR low population density, i.e. North dakota/Montana routes)
valek879@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
if they are supplying cocaine.
mursejoy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 21h
The drug of choice for truckers is meth.
Thor_Whale@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 13h
Don Jr enters the chat ⛷️
jode@pawb.social · 1 pts · 14h
More like pervitin with this administration.
chefdano3@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Any truckers in here want to share their thoughts? Is the extra 2 hours of drive time before being forced to stop a benefit for your routes and timetables? Or is being expected to drive 16 hours at a time on every run gonna wear you out?
I'm not a trucker, so I don't know. I've had trucker friends complain about being forced to stop while only a few min out from a delivery. I've also had trucker friends complain about driving hours on end without stopping.
What do you truckers think?
ElChinchilla@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Owner operator is much different than employee. If you want to drive and are motivated to do so, that is one thing. If terms of your employment are drive when told to, to the letter of the "law" it sucks ass.
Joeffect@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
There is a difference between driving straight for 10+ hours and driving and stopping for 10 or more hours...
Im not actually a truck driver but I have done deliveries for 10 hours.
Also I have driven a car for 10 hours straight and hitting that point at least for me driving becomes dangerous the road fucks with your internals... messes with your inner equilibrium and shit... why when you drive you get sleepy for no fucking reason...
So yeah this is greed and a lack of fucking care for human life in general... as per course for the us currently...
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Sir, I wasnt driving that past hour, there was an accident and it was gridlocked for the whole hour, I didnt move an inch! Please let me finish my delivery 15 minutes away!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10m
BehindetheClouds@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 1d
Fuel Truck drivers*
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1d
So this is for truckers transporting gas and diesel.
Are they just trying to look good, or are they trying to minimally lower the price of those products before the midterms? Will it even have an effect? It's not like the price is high due to the local distribution in the USA.
(Unlike Switzerland where the low water line of the Rhine has actually increased the price of importing the gas, beyond the high price on the world market.)
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Do you doubt this will bring the diesel back from over 6$/gallon to below 4? Have a little faith in the geniuses who rule the US right now!
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
My eye start crossing after 10 hours.