"AI vegans"

ffs, just publish an article with a single clownemoji for the same effect.

It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading “Meet the AI vegans.”

Whole new level.

This is such a stupid name for this.

Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.

They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it's practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.

"Have you ever been called an AI vegan?"

"No... Shit no! I believe saying something like that'd get your ass kicked!"

how to belittle and minimize a very serious thing: call any protesters of it a " ___ vegan"

It's not cool to use "vegan" like this.

People just going about their business living their lives as they have for many years...

Silicon Valley: Hey fuck you. Also I came up with a dumb nickname for you.

"Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn't use AI"

This makes about as much sense as calling Linux users "Windows vegans".

Choosing to not use AI isn't some wacky contrarian position, it's a tame position that can easily be justified. (Don't want to use AI? Then don't.) If anything, trying to assert that constantly using AI for everything would be the new normal is the wacky position.

i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.

And here i am not using it because I'm old and cranky.

I'm choosing to abstain because it's shit. The ethical things are just a bonus. It produces inaccurate information and bland soulless images.

What bullshif us this?

A. I vegan is a nonesence title.

How about " people who don't want the world to end even faster tell corps to fuck off"

I refuse to use it because it's shit.

We are not the same.

I try not to use AI at all. I am not missing out on anything.

I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

I applaud folks like this - they make a choice and stick with it. No "I'll never use AI to generate art but I vibe code to save time" hypocrisy. No "I use it to help me with maths, but I'd never use it to steal artistic work".

Just straight up "it is an environmental hazard, it is unethical, not engaging". Should be called "AI Ethicists" rather than "AI Vegans".

Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, ... just not actual vegan.

I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.

Shitty click baity title

I don't use it because I have no trust in it.

We let environmentalism become an individual issue, and that was a mistake. Can we not do this for AI? It's a society-wide problem, not something you can solve by measuring your own personal AI footprint.

Stupid-ass title.

No, I didn’t make it up. Although I rather wish I did, because it’s quite catchy, isn’t it?

No, it isn't, it's fucking stupid. The author was kind enough to link the source of that shitty idea, and the AI/vegan parallels are, per said article: ethical, environmental and wellness concerns.

Gee wiz, I sure never saw people with those 3 concerns in regards to anything other than veganism!!!

/s

Nothing wrong with being a Luddite

So I'm not the only one who refuses to touch it?

Around me and everywhere it's getting insane that it feels like there's literally no one who hasn't used it or use regularly for all kinds of shit.

We don't need to invent new terms, like 'AI Vegan', when we have a perfectly good term already: Butlerian Jihadist.

'AI vegan'....

Where I come from, saying something that stupid will get you killed.

If anyone says the words "AI Vegan" to my face, I'm throwing shit.

"refuse" lol as if there were a general requirement to use this shit

Aigen or Aibstenant something for a term. Vegan is not right.

"AI vegans"? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?

Come on Guardian... why frame it like that? Folks using AI should be called out as strange.

I just don’t have a use for it. I already am generative AI.

The better term would be "LLM gobbling fuckheads" for those who use that stuff and believe it has anything to do with "AI"

Reading this thread, I wonder if the term is intended to divide a largely environmentalist opposition.

Makes "nocoiner" seem tame by comparison.

There it is. The stupidest headline I've read all week.

The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan 😒 (being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)

I'd rather be called a Luddite than ai vegan

No an Image generation is not ten times the impact pf a Google search, a ChatGPT query is. Image generation is probably a lot more.

What a terrible choice of words. They’re immediately assigning political placement and party to the idea of avoiding AI use instead of appealing to all of humanity on this topic.

Plus, it’s a silly metaphor.

I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

Journalists constantly trying to be the origin of a term.

Its neither for me, i just dont like getting wrong information and AI is giving tons of it.

Also its not intelligent it just fucking sounds so

So normal decent human beings

I’ll just stick with calling myself “old man yelling at clouds” for the double meaning and so I’m not a vegan of any kind, thanks.

I only eat non-sentient AIs too.

"the dark souls of" vibes

I am a AI Freedom Fighter.

How about we don't call that being an AI vegan and just call it a moral objection. That's fucking ridiculous, that's a term designed to make not using AI for that reason look bad and preachy.

AI is the new crypto. It will appear to die off but the aspects that work will be integrated into everything.

I can only imagine someone came up with AI vegan after they decided to eat steak that evening while thinking they're the ones who are pressed by vegans...

AI isn't the meat, jack. It's slop.

HA!

I feel like I should be annoyed at the headline, but honestly it's clever. Veganism isn't just a diet, but an ethical framework on minimizing harm so this fits all three aspects in the articles.

• I support artists who had their work stolen as part of dataset, it's largely the same reason I don't eat animals, it's all about consent. Being harmed without consent is always wrong.

• Likewise the environmental footprint of meat and AI are massive and unnecessary. The carbon footprint between meat and plant protein is massive, just like the difference between building more data centers and supporting existing artists.

• AI is bad for your mental health, we don't really have complete research on what exactly AI does to our brains but I've seen enough people thinking they "unlocked sentience", became "digital gods" and started AI "relationships" to steer clear for my own protection. Not dissimilar to the studies that show a plant based diet is better for your heart and immune system. I'd still be eating plants even if it were bad for my health, I care more about the ethical side, but existing research very much shows it as a net positive.

Neat concept.

I prefer Neo-Luddite. There's a few aspects of modern tech I eschew - AI/LLM bring one of them.

People who care*

Missed opportunity to coin the term “Aitheist” Fools.

AI vegan is not a thing and shall never be.

The correct term is Technophile. Anyone obsessed with tech would never hand it off to a third party to do when they can go through the joy of learning themselves.

I've never used AI, even when wanting to give it a try. There was either a queue or a fee, or must click-wrap agree to terms and conditions for free two months and I wasn't going to do those.

I never did an NFT either.

While billionaires keep using their private jets.

Now we wait for article “meet genocide vegans: people who are against Israel’s genocide against Palestinians based on ethical reasons”

Well shit, I didn't know they had a name for us. That's cool.

"AI vegans" media trying to put an enemy up again. Smh

There has to be a catchier name than AI vegans...

The only AI I'd ever want is something like a VI from Mass Effect. Runs locally and harvests absolutely zero data.

I hate the term AI vegan. I prefer mistechnitinoimosyne. More classy.

Can we please stop coming up with words that describe that we do not do a thing like it is not normal? Just like having to call yourself an atheist because you do not believe. You should call yourself a theist if you believe, because you actively do it. Call yourself what you are, do, or see fit, not what you are not.

I hate this timeline

Let's not call it that

People who use the term "vegan" for somebody they consider extremist, ascetic, or annoying are really telling on themselves.

Side note: one of the most genius rebrands of all time was the way fake leather (which is often made from polyurethane, a type of plastic) suddenly became aspirational “vegan leather”.

Most vegan leathers are made from compostable materials, because (surprise, surprise!) many vegans are also environmentalists.

I installed it locally on my computer to help me with resolving some coding issues if I’m stuck, write cover letters for jobs, and help me organize ppt decks. No information is shared, I’m only using local computing resources, and I’m not propping up a failing business model.

propaganda like this is so fucking sad

colonizers don't have anything to value in their culture and they don't have a future so they want to rip on people who aren't buying their garbage

Hi. That's me.

If at any point I'm required to use it for a job I'll learn. Till then I can do my own googling, reading, math, etc.

I just don't need it. And the push to put it in literally everything makes me not want it at all. Corps don't do good things. Always seeking a rent. Always digging for a profit. And always at our expense.

Wow, so just like humans eating animal products throughout our early existence as beings, AI is the default position? What kind of bullsh*t is this? Just because billionaires are forcing these llms down our throats?

The propaganda is unreal.

ha so I'm a double vegan

today I was trying to find how to manipulate a trunk on an aruba switch and JFK the internet search results were fucking shit on a platter! I tried to reword it in ways that might give me a better result but it never happened. None of the commands the AI suggested would have worked.

I FUCKING HATE AI results in the web searching tools

Guys it's fine, you're overreacting. I only use local instances of AI and I always ask it for consent before using it to deepfake porn of my favorite celebrities in their debut roles. You vegans are overreacting and taking it too far. Humanity has been using AI for like 6 months now and our bodies aren't biologically ready to go back to writing our own homework. You really need to check your privilege; we can't all afford fancy tools like GIMP to make our own art.

Yo

I have local self hosted AI that runs in my solar system. I don’t use AI because it ROTS your brain. We are not the same.

I refuse ever touching an AI-driven app or feature, having seen too much slop.

I'd rather call myself a rejectionist than something called fancy.

Thats 99% lemmy users

I'm an LLM freegan, I guess. But I'm cutting back too, the usefulness peaked.

Why does this use of the "vegan" word sound so condescending?

That's really stupid.

I played around on an AI image generating website for a while. Eventually got bored with it.

I think some AI use is clearly worth the costs (like helping with scientific research or accessibility), some clearly isn't (like generating spam), and much falls in a gray area where reasonable people can disagree. So do I think it's ethical to use me? In many cases, yes - but I understand why thoughtful people might conclude otherwise, and I don't think they're wrong to avoid AI if they've weighed the considerations and found the costs too high.

Not AI vegans. More like LLM deniers. They know how to use it, they know what it does, they know how to trick it, they know how to abuse it.

TIL I'm a lot of thing vegan... also, not a vegan.

On my list of "dont's", inspired by Luke Smith, I do not use AI.

Count me in

Thought it was gonna be about Rationalists.

stupid headline from the guardian but that's just expected.

I find it hilarious that most people in this thread are complaining about being called a "something vegan", like I can understand not being happy with the current AI trend, but it seems like the word "vegan" is what makes everyone ticks, it's NOT an insult, the "normal" vegan are very happy to be called like that, because what it refers too is something that they agree and identify with. If you agree and identify yourself with what those journalist are calling "AI vegans", the name doesn't matter, embrace it, call yourself that to easily express what you believe about AI.

Vegan is not an insult, it is a compliment.

Dafuq Do they forgot to teach AI how to read two column text AGAIN?!

If we go this route, there is also from for AI Crossfitters

Someone should launch a Project Poison which offers information to websites to protect themselves from scrapers and to poison and devalue AIs and companies that ignore their restrictions. I'm sure there are plenty of ways it could be done - nonsense about niche subjects, libelous facts about celebrities and people with money, false attribution for quotes & art, images captioned with things they do not contain, offensive slurs. Just feed AIs with sufficient trash and it will output trash.

I selective use AI for low risk applications.

I can use it to reskin a picture to a water painting or whatever for the purpose of using it as an icon in a smart home app or similar.

i also use it to clean audio for memes with friends.

At the moment its not reliable to solve actual problems. I simply don't use to for those purposes because it sucks.

Guess i'm vegan now

Did anyone let them know that reproduction harms the environment?

That's a weird way to spell luddite

Can you pick them out if crowd by their furled brows?

Stupid title, but in all honesty, now would be the time to create a new religion where there are restrictions on hyper modern things like AI, robotics, etc.

Hear me out: what i, this is a plot to boost vegan numbers. Given latest stats huge portion of population does not use or see any use in AI - i.e. can be claimed AI vegans so in aggregation reports those could be viewed as a subset of Vegans... resulting in undeniable truth that 90%+ of population are vegan now

Ai vegans are people who only use ai generated porn.

This is someone more obnoxious than ai tech bros

I can not wait, until the time of the perpetually seeking attention moron ends. Its always something with these fucking people. If you dont wanna use AI, just dont use it. Theres no fucking gun to your head. And we dont need to know youre not using, much less, find out youve got a dumb fucking name for yourselves.

LOL gen z kids are fucking hysterical. AI will save the world, it has already started.