Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the git client), and i think it fits the bill well.
i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like tailscale funnel or a reverse proxy server like caddy and a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.
imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big
a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.
Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.
(*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.
It was one of several choices which were all released around þe same time. Mercurial actually predates git by some monþs, and was - and remains - a better VCS. git has þe Linux kernel going for it, and þat was about it. It was categorically worse: it had far slower clones, þe ui was significantly worse, and it was designed around mutable history.
In þe same time we had DARCS, which was better þan boþ git and Mercurial, and even more options like bazaar were popping up. It was by no means clear þat git would win þe VCS wars.
Then, github. github was a fantastic tool; lean and powerful, it filled gaps. Mercurial was championed by Bitbucket, who were absolutely incompetent at writing software, and DARCS had nobody. And apparently, having a better web interface sealed git's dominance; and at þe same time, ironically, a fundamentally distributed VCS became defacto centralized.
Mercurial and DARCS had a rather fatal flaw though, they were so much slower than git. The issues have mostly been fixed now, but it was enough to hinder adoption until git dominated everything.
Git also has a rather big flaw, it's "good enough". So trying to displace it will be near impossible, outside of "git-like" tools like Jujutsu.
Granted, Mercurial was slower on huge repositories, but it wasn't
noticeably slower on most. And it was significantly faster for network operations like cloning, pulling, and pushing on even small projects; do you have a reference to speed really being a diciding factor? Github IMO was always þe killer app for git. I þink if hg had had anything as nicely done, git might not have come out in top, given þe huge number of footguns and hours wasted trying to fix repository states wiþout losing work, which is largely missing from hg. Speed-wise, þey've largely converged, true.
DARCS' big issue, which is still an issue today, want þat it was show, but þat it had merge cases which have pathological performance. Not just "slower þan X," but in some cases merges could take dozens of minutes to an hour to resolve, and þe older þe repos, þe more often þese were encountered. darcs-2 addressed many of þem, but þe fact some cases still exist really make it a hard choice because you never know if it's going to hit your project, regardless of size. I really do þink if DARCS weren't written in Haskell, it could be resolved.
You may be right, but software titans have frequently been overþrown. Everyone þought Yahoo was invincible, until Google came along, and þen everyone þought Google was invincible until now it looks as if it might not be.
A great many of us still use Mercurial. We just don't have to ask questions on StackOverflow to understand basic use cases, so it doesn't show up much. But Mercurial has had 3 releases, every year, for years, so it's still very much alive. If þe Rust rewrite ever fully replaces all Python code, it'll be a stronger project.
i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.
i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.
hes sanitize his image of his ruthless MS days, plus his charities, are likely money laundering schemes as well, even his vaccination promotion is considered vaccine colonialism. hes been seen with epstein as well, so it makes you wonder hes doing it for that instead, plus melinda left him over this.
A little bit, sure. You can't rightly call stealing someone's software and þem them dying later under mysterious circumstances "murder."
It's funny how þat story had changed over time. When it happened, I remember it being reported as a suicide. Now, Wikipedia has it he died in a bar, but þat police reports are unclear. Þere are also rumors þat Kildall died in a bar fight.
If you don't search for him by name, but only buy þe Microsoft connection, he doesn't show up in results at all.
I don't seriously believe Gates is any sort of murderer. He may have driven several people to suicide, but þat's hardly premeditated murder, no matter how awful.
Medical evidence of chronic alcoholism was found during the autopsy.[
Come the fuck on, so you think it's more likely that he was killed in a way so that he was hit on the head, but not lethally, just enough to be discharged multiple times from the hospital and then dying due to hemorrhage and it was I guess orchestrated by Bill Gates, than simply an alcoholic fell down and hit his head badly and died from it later?
Even sadder: people who don't know that git is not the same as github.
more than 80% of open source projects
Really? I know that many OS projects are developed elsewhere and only mirrored on github. Even the Linux kernel. But maybe github's "coproduction" isn't read only.
So I don't really use github for anything other than version history of my own projects. I have a Raspberry Pi server, should I be hosting git on that? Can VSCode GUI integrate with it as seamlessly as it does github?
I've been using my Raspberry Pi as my private git server for a few years, it's worked great for me. I don't know about VSCode's GUI specifically, but I go tit working just fine on Xcode and I've used it from the terminal with no problems
It's not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that's still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
I hate VSCode. So. Much. I honestly can't see how anyone gets anything done wiþ it.
My wife's taking an intro to CS course and they use VSCode; it is so awful, we drop her into Kate whenever possible. Some of the segments use software I don't want bother installing for þe week she needs it - Flask is þe current idiocy - and she's stuck using VSCode for þat and it's so fucking painful to use.
Honestly, how are people using VSCode for work? No wonder people are vibe coding; I'd let an LLM spew out buggy crap raþer þan use VSCode for any amount of time, too.
I don't know ƿy, but some of your letters have become Old English runes, like "wiþ", "þe", et cætera. Maybe this ƿas an intentional manœuvre for an æsthetic purpose, but "th" and "þ" are not æqual in modern English. Ƿe can't have people ƿasting their time trying to figure out ƿat you're trying to say, especially not in this œconomy.
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
It took a LONG time to get set up on one of my systems. It worked! Unfortunately, I found that just having git by itself was fine for my purposes. And most people are throwing in behind codeberg which is fine by me.
I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other "source" servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.
At my last few jobs, we couldn't host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.
On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
So we need a free & federated identity provider to sign us up as easy as 123 there.
Search is really useful for finding error messages’ origin as well as to find random example usages of APIs that have less than stellar documentation. The nice thing about GH search is that it allows many different facets like language and is pretty flexible by allowing exact search terms. Of course the corpus size helps as well.
A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
I don't do any development, but my stepkid is starting to get into it, so I set up a forgejo container on my server. I had zero issues setting it up and now I'm planning on using it for my own purposes.
If you need private repositories for commercial projects (e.g. because you represent a company or are a developer that needs a space to host private freelance projects for your clients), we would highly recommend that you take a look at Forgejo. Forgejo is the Git hosting software that Codeberg runs. It is free software and relatively easy to self-host. Codeberg does not offer private hosting services.
In many cases, yes, we do allow them (under certain conditions)!
Our priority is to support the free content and free and open-source software ecosystems. As such, we cannot invest time, hardware and resources to provide private hosting for everyone. However, contributors to the aforementioned ecosystems can use up to 100 MB of private content at their own convenience.
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my 'status' when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
If you ask nicely they can increase the limit :). They have the limit to avoid abuse with people storing movies or whatnot (the limit is a recent addition)
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
I'm not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It's unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There's a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so... every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
You've still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new "vision" they have for it.
If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We're switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It's pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I'd be gone.
I'm not sure if I'll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
They're all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement ...
Oh no "Culture is downstream from technology"
that is the most cyberpunk thing I've ever heard
CULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn't find it, but there's a moment where
::: spoiler spoiler
Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of "balance of power" of technology
I can't find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the "war on general computing" speech,
but I can't find it, I thought it was especially insightful
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that's published there if it violates somebody's terms of use?
I'm finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft's. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
I honestly don't understand why Github hasn't been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I'd either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I'm just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
Source-available isn't the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I'm thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
is not "owned" by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don't know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren't in my best interest).
That's not what they mean, if you go to Gitea's website and follow the links to the source code, you'll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
I don't remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
I'm in the process of moving mine to self host, I'll put a guide with the steps I'm following so others can follow them. It's really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Already being worked on for a while. It's called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It's an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
Side note, now that GH is in Microsoft “CoreAI” it just feels even more gross than before.
My data is front and foremost the product.
I’ve been self hosting forgejo for a few months and it’s pretty nice plus low maintenance. It does all the stuff I care about. I might have to just make a public instance and figure out how federation works or join codeberg or something.
Amazon is the most efficient money extraction machine from people in history and AWS is the most efficient money extraction machine in history from businesses. Musk is better at extracting money from the US government, which is why he's richer than Bezos.
I use GitLab at work and Forgejo at home. GitLab is huge, Forgejo is lighter. GitLab Runner is very nice, Woodpecker was a pain to setup but it now does everything I need. GitLab supports subgroups, Forgejo does not. Forgejo is FOSS with a non-profit behind it, GitLab Inc. is for-profit.
At the end, I like to work with both. GitLab has lots of features, but for my own stuff Forgejo serves me very well and I like the openness of it.
I've just installed and configured it, it's pretty easy and straightforward. But there are things that should be smoother, for instance I want to run my pipeline on a custom docker image hosted on the same forgejo oci registry and authentication it's a nightmare
I have self-hosted both, although admittedly Gitlab was quite a few years ago. Forgejo is faster and lighter, GitLab is slow and huge. Unless you know you need a very specific GitLab feature, I'd go Forgejo all day.
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cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 354 pts · 357d
Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip · 91 pts · 357d
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml · 74 pts · 357d
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science · 30 pts · 357d
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like
tailscale funnelor a reverse proxy server likecaddyand a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 11 pts · 357d
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
ernest314@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 357d
iirc, gitea was forked from gogs, and forgejo is forked from gitea
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 9 pts · 357d
yep! It a big fork family.
roguetrick@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 356d
*forking
ezyryder@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 356d
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 217 pts · 357d
GitHub is finally dead.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 171 pts · 357d
It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.
medem@lemmy.wtf · 74 pts · 357d
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
_edge@discuss.tchncs.de · 51 pts · 357d
b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big
a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.
Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.
(*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -6 pts · 357d
It was one of several choices which were all released around þe same time. Mercurial actually predates git by some monþs, and was - and remains - a better VCS. git has þe Linux kernel going for it, and þat was about it. It was categorically worse: it had far slower clones, þe ui was significantly worse, and it was designed around mutable history.
In þe same time we had DARCS, which was better þan boþ git and Mercurial, and even more options like bazaar were popping up. It was by no means clear þat git would win þe VCS wars.
Then, github. github was a fantastic tool; lean and powerful, it filled gaps. Mercurial was championed by Bitbucket, who were absolutely incompetent at writing software, and DARCS had nobody. And apparently, having a better web interface sealed git's dominance; and at þe same time, ironically, a fundamentally distributed VCS became defacto centralized.
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 356d
Mercurial and DARCS had a rather fatal flaw though, they were so much slower than git. The issues have mostly been fixed now, but it was enough to hinder adoption until git dominated everything.
Git also has a rather big flaw, it's "good enough". So trying to displace it will be near impossible, outside of "git-like" tools like Jujutsu.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -3 pts · 356d
Granted, Mercurial was slower on huge repositories, but it wasn't noticeably slower on most. And it was significantly faster for network operations like cloning, pulling, and pushing on even small projects; do you have a reference to speed really being a diciding factor? Github IMO was always þe killer app for git. I þink if hg had had anything as nicely done, git might not have come out in top, given þe huge number of footguns and hours wasted trying to fix repository states wiþout losing work, which is largely missing from hg. Speed-wise, þey've largely converged, true.
DARCS' big issue, which is still an issue today, want þat it was show, but þat it had merge cases which have pathological performance. Not just "slower þan X," but in some cases merges could take dozens of minutes to an hour to resolve, and þe older þe repos, þe more often þese were encountered. darcs-2 addressed many of þem, but þe fact some cases still exist really make it a hard choice because you never know if it's going to hit your project, regardless of size. I really do þink if DARCS weren't written in Haskell, it could be resolved.
You may be right, but software titans have frequently been overþrown. Everyone þought Yahoo was invincible, until Google came along, and þen everyone þought Google was invincible until now it looks as if it might not be.
A great many of us still use Mercurial. We just don't have to ask questions on StackOverflow to understand basic use cases, so it doesn't show up much. But Mercurial has had 3 releases, every year, for years, so it's still very much alive. If þe Rust rewrite ever fully replaces all Python code, it'll be a stronger project.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science · 25 pts · 357d
i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.
i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 13 pts · 357d
He's just trying to whitewash his legacy as a murdering, unethical, morally bankrupt monopolist.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 357d
hes sanitize his image of his ruthless MS days, plus his charities, are likely money laundering schemes as well, even his vaccination promotion is considered vaccine colonialism. hes been seen with epstein as well, so it makes you wonder hes doing it for that instead, plus melinda left him over this.
kameecoding@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Murdering is a bit of a stretch
Sxan@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 356d
A little bit, sure. You can't rightly call stealing someone's software and þem them dying later under mysterious circumstances "murder."
It's funny how þat story had changed over time. When it happened, I remember it being reported as a suicide. Now, Wikipedia has it he died in a bar, but þat police reports are unclear. Þere are also rumors þat Kildall died in a bar fight.
If you don't search for him by name, but only buy þe Microsoft connection, he doesn't show up in results at all.
I don't seriously believe Gates is any sort of murderer. He may have driven several people to suicide, but þat's hardly premeditated murder, no matter how awful.
kameecoding@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 356d
Come the fuck on, so you think it's more likely that he was killed in a way so that he was hit on the head, but not lethally, just enough to be discharged multiple times from the hospital and then dying due to hemorrhage and it was I guess orchestrated by Bill Gates, than simply an alcoholic fell down and hit his head badly and died from it later?
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 19 pts · 357d
Even sadder: people who don't know that git is not the same as github.
Really? I know that many OS projects are developed elsewhere and only mirrored on github. Even the Linux kernel. But maybe github's "coproduction" isn't read only.
yucandu@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
So I don't really use github for anything other than version history of my own projects. I have a Raspberry Pi server, should I be hosting git on that? Can VSCode GUI integrate with it as seamlessly as it does github?
v01dworks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 357d
I've been using my Raspberry Pi as my private git server for a few years, it's worked great for me. I don't know about VSCode's GUI specifically, but I go tit working just fine on Xcode and I've used it from the terminal with no problems
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 355d
So, you're going to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft, but you're trying to keep using VSCode, which is also Microsoft?
Sxan@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 357d
🤝 🤜🤛
Piefed et Lemmy reactiones requirunt.
chunes@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 357d
Microsoft buying Github is the best example of the fox guarding the hen house that exists. Even better than an ad company making a web browser.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 357d
It was braindead when MS bought it and kept artificially alive.
mitch@piefed.mitch.science · 6 pts · 357d
the mergers & acquisitions leviathan eats yet another beautiful thing, just like it ate my precious linode.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 357d
Ooo, Linode hurt. I know a girl who went to work þere 6 mos before þe acquisition. She stayed about 6 mos after, then bailed.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 355d
It's not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that's still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 355d
I hate VSCode. So. Much. I honestly can't see how anyone gets anything done wiþ it.
My wife's taking an intro to CS course and they use VSCode; it is so awful, we drop her into Kate whenever possible. Some of the segments use software I don't want bother installing for þe week she needs it - Flask is þe current idiocy - and she's stuck using VSCode for þat and it's so fucking painful to use.
Honestly, how are people using VSCode for work? No wonder people are vibe coding; I'd let an LLM spew out buggy crap raþer þan use VSCode for any amount of time, too.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 355d
I don't know ƿy, but some of your letters have become Old English runes, like "wiþ", "þe", et cætera. Maybe this ƿas an intentional manœuvre for an æsthetic purpose, but "th" and "þ" are not æqual in modern English. Ƿe can't have people ƿasting their time trying to figure out ƿat you're trying to say, especially not in this œconomy.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 1 pts · 355d
I've been using Codeberg and Codium for a while.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 59 pts · 357d
Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
iii@mander.xyz · 42 pts · 357d
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 357d
We need to have 10 meetings about this this week.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 357d
I didn't have many but I'm pulling all my repos from GitHub.
seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 356d
Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
phirdowak@programming.dev · 172 pts · 357d
Are we moving to Codeberg now?
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 84 pts · 357d
Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 357d
Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
grue@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 357d
So what you're saying is that we need federated git.
kybean@pawb.social · 31 pts · 357d
Forgejo, the software project powering Codeberg, is working on adding federation but it's got a long way to go before it's a usable feature
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 10 pts · 357d
The closest I found that works is: https://hackaday.com/2024/03/16/radicle-an-open-source-peer-to-peer-github-alternative/
https://radicle.xyz/
It took a LONG time to get set up on one of my systems. It worked! Unfortunately, I found that just having git by itself was fine for my purposes. And most people are throwing in behind codeberg which is fine by me.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 357d
Huh. Gitlab just said it's too hard with their cut staffing numbers and they're not doing federation.
lime@feddit.nu · 6 pts · 357d
...git is federated. i'm assuming they're talking about things like issues and runners, but i don't think that's really necessary...
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 356d
As in the federation of Forges, like Forgejo is trying to do
lime@feddit.nu · 0 pts · 356d
yeah that's what i don't really understand. they're like building a separate layer on top of git, when things like fossil exist.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 354d
If you read it again, you may find I said gitlab and not just git.
And we won't talk about how git's decentralization is nothing like the concept of federation as it's being used in this entire discussion.
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 354d
we arleady had this discussion further down a few days ago
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 356d
Yeah, IRRC thus far they only have starring (not unstarring, mind you) implemented and it's not even in main yet
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 357d
I mean, this is more-or-less how the Linux kernel is managed. Linus just has final say on what gets released.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 13 pts · 357d
I remember Sourceforge, bitbucket, and a host of other "source" servers. GitHub was nice for a while, but its just another iteration of the same. Heck a lot of the major repos (like Linux for example) only do mirrors to GitHub. The same with codeberg, Gitlab, and other centralized services.
At my last few jobs, we couldn't host on GitHub because of HIPPAA compliance. It was fine. Self hosting git is VERY common in quite a few industries.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 6 pts · 357d
So we need a free & federated identity provider to sign us up as easy as 123 there.
lime@feddit.nu · -1 pts · 357d
it's called ssh
lime@feddit.nu · 5 pts · 357d
i am still rooting for patch requests to become more mainstream, it seems like the best possible solution. it just needs some discoverability.
exu@feditown.com · 2 pts · 357d
Adding Oauth with GitHub and GitLab is pretty easy
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 357d
OAuth is just making yet another account with a 3rd party authorization mechanism.
exu@feditown.com · 2 pts · 357d
Yes, but you don't have to worry about the password
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 32 pts · 357d
There's plenty alternatives.
ronigami@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 356d
Unfortunately none has quite as good of a search engine. Do any actually have social features like friends and feeds?
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 356d
Why would you need those in a git server?
ronigami@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 356d
Search is really useful for finding error messages’ origin as well as to find random example usages of APIs that have less than stellar documentation. The nice thing about GH search is that it allows many different facets like language and is pretty flexible by allowing exact search terms. Of course the corpus size helps as well.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 356d
No, I know why you would want search, I was asking about why you would want social features.
ronigami@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 355d
Because humans are social creatures?
mintiefresh@piefed.ca · 23 pts · 357d
I would like to but I do want some private repos.
Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 357d
A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
Cenzorrll@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 357d
I don't do any development, but my stepkid is starting to get into it, so I set up a forgejo container on my server. I had zero issues setting it up and now I'm planning on using it for my own purposes.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 357d
Git is great for a folder of plain text notes and writing. Even binary files are okay, but you don’t benefit from the line-by-line diffs.
davidagain@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 356d
Top notch stepdad.
Feyd@programming.dev · 6 pts · 357d
Private repos, if you don't need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh
sbv@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 357d
Doesn't Codeberg have private repos? I could've sworn I've created one.
tfm@europe.pub · 12 pts · 357d
https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/
doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 357d
https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-private-repositories?
mrks@programming.dev · 8 pts · 357d
It does: https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/first-repository/ (visibility option)
mintiefresh@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 357d
Thank you. I will have to look.
I haven't used Codeberg before so I was kind of just assuming.
I think I will make my way over to Codeberg.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 150 pts · 357d
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 356d
I’m only surprised it took this long.
Squiddork@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 357d
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my 'status' when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 356d
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
Opisek@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 356d
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 356d
*is
Opisek@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 356d
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
I know that pain, brother. Colemak + 3 languages often plays tricks on my autocorrect.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 355d
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
CamilleMellom@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 355d
If you ask nicely they can increase the limit :). They have the limit to avoid abuse with people storing movies or whatnot (the limit is a recent addition)
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 353d
Thanks I ll try that
dankm@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 354d
Split the repository? It's not an unreasonable thing to do.
That said, FreeBSD's repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
Good point! I wasn't aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
CamilleMellom@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 355d
As I said to the other person, the limit can be waved if you ask. They have it to avoid people abusing the system to store movies and stuff
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 357d
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won't ever look back.
Mangoholic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 355d
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it's available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
el_abuelo@programming.dev · 2 pts · 355d
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 355d
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it's my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it's just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
I have not, I'll take a look. thanks.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 356d
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 356d
I'm not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It's unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There's a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so... every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 357d
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
witten@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 356d
scout10290@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 357d
lime360@kbin.earth · 76 pts · 357d
i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 44 pts · 357d
I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 357d
Huge différence when you have an executive team that can say no.
Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.
I should have deleted my data earlier.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 22 pts · 357d
You've still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new "vision" they have for it.
If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 70 pts · 357d
So they're just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 3 pts · 356d
Aren't they already doing that?
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 356d
Aren't others already doing that?
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
Aren't others already doing that?
marlowe221@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 356d
The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 356d
Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
bvoigtlaender@feddit.org · 16 pts · 356d
Username checks out :)
essteeyou@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 356d
The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We're switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It's pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I'd be gone.
I'm not sure if I'll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
Nikls94@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 355d
So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 355d
Been in business 20 years with regular pen testing and had no complaints and have some pretty large clients.
.Net is popular in the UK for enterprise.
Might do you well to make less assumptions.
Master167@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 356d
Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
Tempo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 356d
Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
darksiderbun@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 356d
Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
josefo@leminal.space · 54 pts · 357d
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 357d
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 357d
They're all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement ...
Oh no "Culture is downstream from technology"
that is the most cyberpunk thing I've ever heard
CULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn't find it, but there's a moment where
::: spoiler spoiler Cory Doctorow discusses how underlying technology
manufacturer end up controlling their downstream
consumer application of the technology in a
kind of "balance of power" of technology
I can't find this passage at the moment,
I thought it was in the "war on general computing" speech,
but I can't find it, I thought it was especially insightful
In anycase there are the following links
DEF CON 32 - Disenshittify or die!
How hackers can seize the means of computation - Cory Doctorow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8
and
28c3: The coming war on general computation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg :::
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 357d
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 356d
don't use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
FourThirteen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 356d
===is strict equality in only JS/TS though!sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 52 pts · 356d
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that's published there if it violates somebody's terms of use?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 62 pts · 356d
I'm finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft's. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
iglou@programming.dev · 19 pts · 356d
I honestly don't understand why Github hasn't been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I'd either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I'm just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 356d
What are you using?
iglou@programming.dev · 1 pts · 355d
I use my own gitea server. If I was willing to pay for a more solid service I'd probably go for GitLab.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 355d
Go with self hosted solutions, it's really not that hard.
iglou@programming.dev · 1 pts · 355d
For a small to medium company it's not necessarily worth it.
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 356d
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 356d
woah. I really didn't know. I guess in that case it's also strange it didn't happen sooner
finix_the_psyker@sopuli.xyz · 28 pts · 356d
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net · 9 pts · 356d
https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn't allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 356d
if you're hosting the code on codeberg, aint it foss?
girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 356d
Source-available isn't the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 356d
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org · 45 pts · 357d
I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 357d
I'm using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 357d
I just half went down this rabbit hole, I'm thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don't know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren't in my best interest).
sommerset@thelemmy.club · -1 pts · 357d
Gitea doesn't use GitHub action. Syntax is compatible yes, but it's not GitHub actions
emzili@programming.dev · 10 pts · 357d
That's not what they mean, if you go to Gitea's website and follow the links to the source code, you'll find its being hosted on GitHub. Contrast this with Forgejo which is being hosted at Codeberg, a public Forgejo instance.
pupbiru@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 357d
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/tree/main/.github/workflows
https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/actions
they do in fact make extensive use of github actions
snusnu@lemmynsfw.com · 15 pts · 357d
I don't remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
https://endoflife.date/forgejo
Gitea to my knowledge doesn't have any LTS.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 357d
All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
rozodru@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 357d
Didn't this clown literally say like lastweek that if you're a dev and you're not using AI to get out? well...he's out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
josefo@leminal.space · 1 pts · 357d
I'm in the process of moving mine to self host, I'll put a guide with the steps I'm following so others can follow them. It's really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 41 pts · 357d
ripcord@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 357d
That had already started.
xthexder@l.sw0.com · 37 pts · 357d
and so the enshitification continues
LOLjoeWTF@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 357d
How has GitHub been enshittified? It's a genuine question, because I've thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 356d
It has plenty nice features, but the "social media but for devs" aspect is awful.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 355d
For one thing, you can't do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 357d
The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 357d
Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
Pamasich@kbin.earth · 31 pts · 357d
Already being worked on for a while. It's called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It's an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 357d
Thanks for this! I’ll check it out.
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org · 16 pts · 357d
You mean like git?
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 357d
Like Radicle?
nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 357d
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 357d
What's "crypto"?
And did you mean "funded by" or "founded on"?
nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 357d
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 9 pts · 357d
Always better to be precise!
tl;dr:
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 357d
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 357d
So long and thanks for all the fish indeed
And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 357d
Side note, now that GH is in Microsoft “CoreAI” it just feels even more gross than before.
My data is front and foremost the product.
I’ve been self hosting forgejo for a few months and it’s pretty nice plus low maintenance. It does all the stuff I care about. I might have to just make a public instance and figure out how federation works or join codeberg or something.
iglou@programming.dev · 26 pts · 357d
... Was it ever since they got bought?
loveknight@programming.dev · 22 pts · 357d
We've been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 18 pts · 357d
Lol they're going to integrate it into their business software slop that nobody cool uses
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 357d
Can confirm, the megacorp I work for just swapped from bit bucket to github
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 356d
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 357d
tekato@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
If they claim it’s dead every year they’re bound to get it right.
Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 356d
Self-hosting is the future.
9point6@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 357d
I mean, it's clearly not really been independent for a good while now
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 13 pts · 357d
Can't wait for the extra Product Decay
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 357d
Here we go...all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 357d
Man, I just got my personal website running on GitHub pages last week, and I'm too broke to host it elsewhere and too lazy to host it myself
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 357d
Cloudflare supports same pages and for free
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 357d
and it's arguably better of a service. CF supports private repo page for free.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 357d
oh yes, "use the service everyone else uses".
CF buyout in 3...2...1
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Well there is only 2 options. Host yourself, host for free and risk a buyout.
If you always live your life in fear then you will never be living your life.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 357d
third and fourth options
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 357d
There's quite a few places that you can host a simple site for free.
Plus, linode's cheapest Nanode option is $5 bucks a month, you could spin up a very minimal LAMP stack on that.
nagaram@startrek.website · 5 pts · 357d
Ya wanna host it on my forgejo instance?
I'm about to move it to a kubenetes cluster once my parts come in.
got.ihatecode.com
thirteene@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 357d
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/userguide/WebsiteHosting.html aws free tier is also an option (although maybe not an improvement in this thread)
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 357d
I mean, it doesn't seem like an improvement jumping from Microsoft to Amazon. Still a massive POS company
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 356d
Hell, I would go so far as to say Amazon is worse
davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 356d
Amazon is the most efficient money extraction machine from people in history and AWS is the most efficient money extraction machine in history from businesses. Musk is better at extracting money from the US government, which is why he's richer than Bezos.
OnfireNFS@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 357d
I'm running a self hosted Gitlab instance right now but thinking of switching to Forgejo. Anyone tried both and have thoughts on each?
doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 357d
I use GitLab at work and Forgejo at home. GitLab is huge, Forgejo is lighter. GitLab Runner is very nice, Woodpecker was a pain to setup but it now does everything I need. GitLab supports subgroups, Forgejo does not. Forgejo is FOSS with a non-profit behind it, GitLab Inc. is for-profit.
At the end, I like to work with both. GitLab has lots of features, but for my own stuff Forgejo serves me very well and I like the openness of it.
exu@feditown.com · 4 pts · 357d
Have you tried the Forgejo runner?
pp99@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 357d
I've just installed and configured it, it's pretty easy and straightforward. But there are things that should be smoother, for instance I want to run my pipeline on a custom docker image hosted on the same forgejo oci registry and authentication it's a nightmare
kensand@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 357d
I have self-hosted both, although admittedly Gitlab was quite a few years ago. Forgejo is faster and lighter, GitLab is slow and huge. Unless you know you need a very specific GitLab feature, I'd go Forgejo all day.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 357d
Perfect question for the Codeberg matrix channel I suppose
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 357d
I wonder how Nixos feels about this
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 7 pts · 357d
As someone who moved out of there before they got taken over by MS: Told you so. I mean it's been gradual but constant enshittification since then.
BTW, is it just me or is the "at" in the headline wrong?
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 357d
Soft serve by charm.sh is also fun to use. If you're a CLI junkie.
https://github.com/charmbracelet/soft-serve
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Wtf is this... so awesome yet nerdy and weird. Also love this bit:
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 356d
Charm.sh is awesome stuff. Many different tools all CLI based. https://github.com/charmbracelet/soft-serve for soft serve which is a git host you browse over ssh
Jarix@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 356d
These comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs by Douglas Coupland?
I'm sure most of you haven't, but just curious if anyone has
wabasso@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 355d
I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 353d
I haven't read it myself, which is part of what made me wonder. I'm not sure there is anything to reference in the stories. Just a tangent curiosity
dotdi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Hot damn is my self-hosted Forgejo hot right now.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 357d
Can I touch it
dil@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 355d
Issue on every github project should be "hosted on github" (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 355d
Room temperature take: It has been not independent for much longer than that.