The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state's congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 128 pts · 363d
He's not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on "social issues" like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he'd be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
Impound4017@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 363d
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 363d
He's not....
He's making a lot of noise and saying he's fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn't redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We're losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
xyzzy@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 363d
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
So...
It's not guaranteed to happen...
But because Newsom kept saying it would happen, Texas Dems already returned, and it will happen in Texas...
But you don't understand why this is a bad thing?
You don't understand that Texas Dems should have never returned?
xyzzy@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 363d
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
Decamp?
If they don't have what it takes to fight fascism, why the fuck are they in office?
People (including their constituents) are being kidnapped and sent to motherfucking concentration camps, but staying in a hotel is too much to ask of them?
With standards this low, no wonder you like Newsom
FlowVoid@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 363d
If you think you would be a better legislator, then go ahead and run for office.
If you can't be bothered to run, then you know why they are in office.
thedruid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
And his comment being unpopular doesn't make him wrong
Newsome is bought by oil
You have a well groomed, better spoken, shady as fuck fake democrat on newsome.
He didn't care that people were taken, he cared he looked bad.
Impound4017@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 363d
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, is extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 363d
And people are actually doing things. They're just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won't talk about it.
That's my whole point...
Lexam@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 363d
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
moseschrute@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 363d
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
verdantbanana@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 363d
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 363d
He's not a Dem, he's a neoliberal.
It's way past the time to stop pretending there isn't a distinction. We can't just let them keep lying about what they are, because they're trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don't have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it's time to differentiate the two camps.
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 363d
Um what?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They're still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn't a neolib?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 363d
Because the neo liberals controlled the DNC for decades, and if reps didn't vote for who the DNC wanted in those positions, the DNC would fuck with them and withhold the money that was stolen from their state via Victory Fund out of spite.
They'd fuck over any incumbent that went against them, even if that meant a republican kept the seat.
But the voting members of the DNC finally kicked the neoliberals out of power at the DNC.
The people you are talking about are still coasting off the last leadership elections in the House/Senate when the neoliberals were in charge. They won't win the next ones without the threats from the DNC.
Does it make sense now?
This is important to understand and billionaire owned media sure as shit aren't going to explain it, so if you have more questions I'll try to answer them.
The chair, who unilaterally controls everything for the next 3 years...
If you think he's going to fight against progressives, look at the decade he ran Minnesota, it went from a purple state to deep blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps.
If Martin is a neo liberal who wants to keep progressives out of office, he's so bad at it he might as well not be trying.
Logically that means the reason he was picked is the voting members of the DNC want to listen to voters again instead of screeching at them.
Quick edit:
But it seems you're conflating House/Senate leadership with DNC leadership...
They should be separate things, but decades of neoliberalism has intertwined the two.
It's going to take another House/Senate leadership election cycle to fix that, because the last vote happened with the old DNC.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 362d
The DNC/Democratic Party is funded by billionaires and corporations. They do the bidding of billionaires and corporations. They want to please billionaires and corporations. They engage in systematic lawfare to restrict parties and individuals to the left of them from having ballot access, way harder and with more cohesion than they ever have fought Trump or conservatives. The influential think tank Third Way wants Democrats to move away from progressive policies and small donors.
The DNC even elevated Trump and other far-right individuals in 2015 as part of Hillary's presidential campaign. This is the same party that colluded against Bernie, with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning as a result of the scandal and courts finding that it's legal to rig primaries.
The DNC and the Democratic leadership are both center-right. Why can't we have a left party instead of making the Democratic party something it isn't?
Ken Martin is hostile to progressives and individuals who want to change the party like David Hogg, by the way. Here is some leaked audio that sheds light on the situation.
And an excerpt from Wikipedia:
They just crushed a person pushing progressive primary challengers on grounds of gender diversity and tangentially on Hogg's impacted neutrality in future primaries, from my understanding. Under Ken Martin's leadership. This is the same party that favored Hillary in 2016, but now suddenly when there are progressives challenging the status quo, Ken Martin proposed this rule:
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 362d
This is like blaming Biden for things trump did 2016-2020...
And when someone tries to explain that it was literally two different people who just share the same title...
You start yelling that "a president is a president and it doesn't matter".
I'm sure you think you made some great points, but it's literally as ridiculous as not understanding "president" is just a title.
The only thing relevant to current DNC, is that they redid an internal election because the old DNC didn't follow DNC election rules...
Which you're apparently very upset with, you would prefer to keep the results of a fraudulent election?
M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 362d
Just saw your edit. Voiding the results of an election on grounds of "gender diversity" after several months was the current leadership's decision. They voted on it in June, unless I am misunderstanding something. The election wasn't "fraudulent", it violated their rules and was called into question a month after Hogg started making waves. David Hogg was one of the key people attempting to reform the Democratic Party/DNC and he would've been well positioned to do that as Vice Chair.
I want progress. Hogg was crushed because he wanted progress, you can't rewrite history. It's undeniable that it all unfolded the way it did because leadership wasn't pleased with him.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 362d
The DNC is not a totally different organization. Citation needed. Billionaires and corporations really didn't want Bernie back then, and they won't want progressives getting in office in the future.
Until the DNC only accepts money from small donors, and there is campaign finance reform (looking at Citizens United being overturned), it's naive to believe progressives will ever have a shot.
Their cash flow depends on pleasing their masters, they won't jeopardize that.
JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 363d
I guess time will tell. Though I'd still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
Martin ran Minnesota up till the day he became DNC chair...
He's not some random unknown person, there is zero indication to show he's going to run the DNC differently than he did Minnesota.
If he does start fucking around, believe me I'll be the first to call him out on it. But right now there is zero logical reason to expect any difference.
That's the great part about Martin.
It's not that he has a view of what voters want, and is going to try and make that work.
He runs fair, unbiased primaries, and whoever wins he'll put the full weight of the party behind them in a general.
It's why billionaires are trying to convince people they shouldn't vote in the next dem presidential primary, and why it's essential we counter that
thedruid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Please define Neoliberal for the class.
Then review the list you have.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 363d
From what I've seen, he's further to the right than even many of the utterly useless center-right Democrats.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
Out of curiosity, why did you reply to a comment about the importance of differentiating neoliberals from Dems, by conflating the two?
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 363d
Because they haven't left the Democratic Party yet, and though the party may be starting to move away from neoliberalism, most of its most prominent voices today are still neoliberals. Running Newsom as a presidential candidate would seal the deal.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
Right on, just making sure there wasn't a good reason. Thanks for confirming
frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 363d
I believe we’re at least a decade out from progressives being the main front runners for the party. The baby boomers are still in power because they vote the most, followed by Gen X who is even more conservative than the Baby Boomers based on the 2024 voter data.
When Millennials finally start getting into power and make up more of the voter share I could see progressives being the majority.
Alternatively, if we change the voting system in more states, like Alaska and Maine did, then we could have more candidates winning elections that are closer politically to Mamdani, AOC, and Bernie. It would enable third party candidates to have a much greater chance of winning elections as well.
thedruid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
No bgen xers are not. Absolutely no.
Millenials and zoomers are just as conservative.
In fact zoomers and millenials, the largest voting block now, went trump
Please enough with the age thing
For Christ sakes yes some older people, including me are more conservative, gen exers are cranky and want to be left alone. We are Not more conservative
It is a MONEY thing. Not a generation thing
Youbwongvsee progressives running the country until that is removed. EOS.
Fight the class war. That's what the real issue is. Not our ages. . Edited. I am more conservative in things like fiscal repsonsibilty, not human rights, Nazi tolerance or any of that shit.
What's funny is I find racist war mongers on both sides, screaming how had the other side is.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 363d
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I'm just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 362d
time to vote for jill stein and give the election to trump again
damn, if only there was another option
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 362d
How much have you done to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state? Surely someone who is this concerned with the spoiler effect is working night and day to address the root cause of the issue!
::: spoiler Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
STAR voting
Alternative vote
Ranked Choice voting
Range Voting
Single Transferable Vote
Mixed Member Proportional representation :::
Marthirial@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 363d
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don't want anything.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip · 69 pts · 363d
My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He's getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He's another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn't Trump.
Atropos@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 363d
Completely agree. I long for the day I can finally for FOR something rather than AGAINST something.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
GorGor@startrek.website · 6 pts · 363d
Sad but true. I fucking hate that we are talking about this fucking asshole, but like that bullshit recall election in '21, I will hold my nose and vote for harm reduction. So fucking depressing. You think its gonna be Trump again? If he wants to stay in power, breaking the 22nd amendment, why have elections at all?
Atropos@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
I'm having a hard time being surprised anymore. I wouldn't blink an eye if those criminal dickwads found a way to try to get a third term.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 363d
Welcome to every president since Reagan.
Boddhisatva@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 363d
SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 363d
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
Boddhisatva@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 363d
Laurentide@pawb.social · 8 pts · 363d
I am going to vote against fascism. If the Democratic party insists on choosing a candidate who agrees with Republican efforts to genocide me, then I am going to vote against their fascist too. And don't come looking for me to whine about it after; by the time the Niemoller poem gets to you I'll be long gone already.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 363d
Why would they care about anything you want if you're going to vote for them no matter what?
piefood@feddit.online · 12 pts · 363d
Them: "The Democrats keep lying to us and screwing us over, WTF?!?"
Me: "Well, you keep announcing that you will vote for them, even though they keep doing that, right?"
Them: "Yes, but I can't figure out why keep lying to us and screwing us over"
Me: "..."
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 363d
Right?? This is what voting Kamala got them and she lost, imagine the candidate after newsom if he won... Probably Liz Cheney
FlowVoid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 363d
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 363d
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn't be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
FlowVoid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 363d
oh dear... no they wouldn't. You're living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
FlowVoid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 363d
piefood@feddit.online · 4 pts · 363d
What are you talking about? The Democratic leadership hasn't been giving the voters the policies that they want for my entire lifetime. They Democratic leadership gives their doners the policies that they want, but they've been pretty open about not caring about their voters.
Maybe if the Democrats stopped putting up awful candidates, who run awful campaigns based on awful policies, then people would come out and vote for them.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 362d
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 363d
Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 362d
Because primaries exist? You know, the thing you've been demanding for years now?
Surely there will be several leftist candidates to choose from.... Er...
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 362d
Which is what I'm saying?? They don't even field left-ish candidates anymore because they know that anyone left of the overton window, enfranchised and able to vote will vote for them no matter what so why appeal to them? The people on the hedge are to the right, therefore thats who they try to appeal to. Which is why you get this guy going on talkshow flashing his transphobia credentials in a desperate attempt to cozy up to the fasc crowd.
But then look at the people that came out for zohran. The zohran campaign targeted areas that dont even bother showing up to vote and it paid off big time.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 361d
Do you think candidates just materialize? Do something.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 361d
Hence me mentioning zohran. The DSA put up a tremendous effort. But looking at the comrent section people are already assuming that any fight will be lost and pledging to vote newsom if it comes to that
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 52 pts · 363d
Yeah, let's put up another California democrat that's too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time...
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 16 pts · 363d
It only makes sense to those who only think hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
btaf45@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 362d
They lost for both reasons.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 362d
She ran a campaign that was only I'm not trump and ran away from anything that worked. But yeah let's only blame sexism...
btaf45@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 362d
I'm not only blaming sexism. I'm also blaming that she ran a shit campaign and lied when she said she was going to "prosecute the case against Trump".
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 363d
Biden ran an embarrassing campaign, but he had a penis so he won.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 14 pts · 363d
It's almost as if the people who find Republican issues compelling would rather vote for a full Republican than a Republican-lite. Maybe if he curses while doubling down on Zionism he will somehow reach the 3rd rail 🙄
Taldan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 363d
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he's the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don't particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 363d
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 362d
Agreed, if you are willing to vote for a Capitalist you can't really be against Fascism. Good take.
obrien_must_suffer@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 363d
zbyte64@awful.systems · 17 pts · 363d
It's his turn
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 363d
You better believe it!
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 363d
Well he's not a woman, so...
obrien_must_suffer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
Zephorah@discuss.online · 48 pts · 363d
Please no.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 363d
Uh... We've all been saying those exact words for nearly a decade*, over and over and over... And, this is all where that gets us. 🤌🏻
*(depending on one's age/awareness)
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 363d
And we'll keep saying those words until someone listens.
Dont spurn the ones asking for a drink spurn those that hold back the water because it upsets their donors.
JHRD1880@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 361d
That led you to a guy in the White House who is clear he's not likely to leave peacefully.
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 361d
Are you seriously blaming Trump being elected on people asking for better representation? Wheres the connection?
JHRD1880@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 361d
No, I'm blaming people who only wish to vote for their perfect candidate for Trump being elected. If you look at the amount of Democrat voters who sat out the 2024 election then they are to blame. If they'd have showed up we wouldn't be in this shitshow now, even if Harris wasn't a great candidate.
There is a certain type of Democrat voters who can't look past their own views and only want a candidate that aligns 100% with what they think, meanwhile the other side rallies behind a candidate that they themselves might also not like entirely, but they still vote for him. And then they win. Meanwhile the former get to say 'Well at least my principles are still intact' while the country crumbles around them.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 363d
FWIW, I'm not "spurning" anyone, gramps.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
Agreed, but this has been a long time coming
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 363d
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 363d
17 August 1982
btaf45@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
The DNC turns over almost 100% of membership every 4 years so anything it "learns", good or bad, will be forgotten. Because it isn't a person. Tulsi Gabbard used to be a DNC leader. Now she's a Trump henchperson MAKING AMERICA NOT GREAT AGAIN
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 363d
Voters will die before they learn the lesson. Beating fascism is more important than getting a candidate who agrees with everything you want.
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 362d
Actually, we're going to die regardless because none of the politicians supported by either party care enough to solve the issues in this country that are slowly killing us. But yes, fascism will certainly expedite the process.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -11 pts · 362d
FUCKING BRING IN ANOTHER CANDIDATE THEN.
Jesus fuck... Y'all just constantly whine about your options, and when the time comes for the primary, you've got NOTHING.
Edit: yeah this makes me a "DNC fanboy". What a fucking joke. I am going to start tagging everyone here who's refusing to do fucking anything but whine about the primary candidates so I know to ignore them in the future.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 362d
The only one whining is DNC fanboys when we tell them their establishment ghoul is going to lose them the election once again.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 361d
"I'm not a DNC fanboy. I just complain when people want better from the politicians I don't let others criticize."
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 361d
Yeah that's what I am, a DNC fanboy. 🙄
Come back when you're actually interested in good faith discussion.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 361d
How did "vote blue no matter who" end up last time?
You might want to be careful with the undying DNC loyalty. Endorse a bad candidate and you will end up with TrumpIII. Fearmongering to push a bad candidate has proven a losing strategy.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 360d
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Same
btaf45@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 362d
LMFAO nobody here is a "DNC fanboy". Even if I didn't like Bernie Sanders, why would I be a "fan" of a caretaker organization that has very little actual power to do anything? I'm a fan of voting for the best available candidate whether primary or general elections.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 362d
We tried, twice. Got shut out, twice. Third time they didn't even allow a primary and then appointed a new person.
But next time Lucy will let us kick the football, she swears this time she'll play fair.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 361d
Then fucking do something about it
piefood@feddit.online · 3 pts · 361d
We are doing something about it. And every time we do, a bunch of Democrats tell us how evil we are, before they run off to bomb kids, and back genocides.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 361d
"Okay, I will vote for the people who are better on important issues."
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 360d
I'm glad I was able to provide a jumping-off point for you and your buddies to LARP leftism, but I meant do something real.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 361d
We are, and then people say we're Russian bots for not supporting a fascist-platforming transphobe.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 360d
Oh nice... So I'll have a legitimate progressive candidate to vote for in the upcoming primary then, right? Right?
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 35 pts · 363d
SEE! The ONLY way for Democrats to Win is to be as RIGHT WING as Possible!
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 363d
They're the same picture... Blue? Red? They're all the color of fuck The People.
rozodru@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 362d
I swear US Democrats learn absolutely nothing. All you have to do is jingle some keys in their faces and they'll applaud.
This is a guy who wants California Cities to force homeless people to move every 3 days. This is a guy who has threatened to cut funding to cities that don't "crack down" on homeless people.
This is a guy who simply has one of his interns to write funny twitter posts and NOW he's suddenly "presidential material".
And some people honestly wonder how Trump was re-elected.
tankfox@midwest.social · 1 pts · 362d
There are no other options to choose from if we want aggressive responses that the bullies in charge will respect and respond to. Newstrom is it. Perfect being the enemy of good is the typical democrat excuse to sit on hands and do nothing.
Maybe the democratic party can realize what makes the people jump and put a better person in charge of that particular weapon, but that's not going to happen because the democratic party has no leader at all. I've worked in departments that didn't have a manager and there was a long gap before one was appointed, people tend to just continue doing what they were doing while they had a manager, and if anything changes it isn't their problem and eventually the entire process breaks down to a bunch of people drinking coffee and arguing about who should be doing what.
MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 363d
If this is the basket the Democrats put their eggs into I sense 8 years of the couch fucker in our futures. Newsome fucking sucks. At best he panders to progressives with one hand while he signs yet another shady bullshit deal behind closed doors like every single other politician alive with his other.
You think it's just a coincidence that all the money they raised with that benefit concert happened to go into non-profits that his wife runs? You think its been an accident that those effected by the fires haven't seen a penny from that concert?
California has some of the most corrupt and inept leadership it has ever had. More money than ever is being spent on things like homelessness and public transit projects, but strangely both the public transit and homeless problem have only been getting worse.
Fuck Gavin Newsome.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 10 pts · 363d
Idk how he would pander to progressives after mostly vetoing progressive laws in California then going on an anti trans kick once Trump won
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 363d
Newsom is, and always has been, a slimy neoliberal greaseball. Not only does he not pander to progressives, he is the pinnacle of Democratic Party leftward obstructionism. Newsom serves nobody but Newsom. His current act is nothing more than the latest strategy to bolster his Presidential prospects after openly pandering to the far right failed to gain him any ground.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 362d
Traitorapist Trump is 1000x more corrupt than any other politician so if you don't care about that then you don't really care about corruption at all.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/trumps-term-2-corruption-by-the-numbers-more-golf-trips-more-foreign-visitors-and-more-profits/
oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 363d
People really seem to not care that he is transphobic… well guess I’m gonna die either way now. Wasn’t a good life, wasn’t a long one either.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 363d
Arm yourself if you can
We have to protect ourselves
xenomor@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 363d
Would I prefer a President Newsom to a President trump? Yes. Is Newsom trash that won’t actually change anything about how this country is broken or won’t change how corrupt the Democratic Party is, or won’t meaningfully improve Americans’ material conditions in a sustainable way? Yes.
People need to understand that what neoliberals like Newsom represent, is a perpetuation of everything that sucks about modern American governance. He might perform rhetorically in a satisfying way, some of the time, but he LITERALLY stands for NOTHING other than solidifying his own power and facilitating ’markets’. That’s it. While he is better at the speaking part of this job than some other Democratic Party leaders, understand that words are as deep as this dickhead gets. He and his corporate consultants will not actually improve anything, won’t meaningfully roll back fascism, won’t hold Republicans accountable, won’t reign in or regulate corporations, won’t give you healthcare, won’t stop the genocide, won’t fix media, won’t reform campaign funding, won’t build infrastructure, won’t prosecute business fraud, and on and on.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 363d
President Newsom would result in 4 more years of stagnation, followed by us voting in the next Republican fascist out of apathy.
The same cycle will repeat until we have a third party
piefood@feddit.online · 6 pts · 363d
Hey now, the previous Democrats haven't been doing nothing....
They've also been building out the systems that the facists use, and reaching across the aisle in support of the fascists. That's hard work!
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 363d
The fascists aren't going to get more tame and stupid either. Donald is the attenuated live virus given to us like a vaccine so we can make laws that prevent the next one from coming but it's a test all of our institutions are failing horribly, so the next one is gonna blindside them again.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 363d
If you want to see Newsome policy, look at PG&E. He talked a big game around 2019-2020 about holding them accountable after entire towns were destroyed, hundreds killed due to poor equipment replacement and maintenance practices. They were gonna be made public, fined into oblivion, etc..
He's taken hundreds of thousands (could be millions) from them at this point and has not only created legislation to protect them against liability, but to destroy the consumer friendly solar buyback programs. He's actually actively fucking residential rooftop solar in the state.
When people actually listened to how he thought on his podcast, they hated it. Now he's flipped to this shit, and it's working, and I hate it. This is where democratic national money will flow, into the rich boys pockets, rather than a dude like Mamdani.
GorGor@startrek.website · 3 pts · 363d
Its kinda weird that Trump is the alternative here. I did it too, but the fact that we are rolling over him breaking the 22nd amendment and then pretending like our votes matter at that point is kinda messed up when you step back.
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 362d
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who's been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It's more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 361d
This is a well known human trait.
This is why marketing is so effective.
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
Yeah, but you gotta keep calling it out when they use it to try to coronate someone.
TehWorld@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 362d
It might be a less popular opinion, but I’m really hopeful that Tim Walz gets the nod. He’s actually a human as opposed to a politician.
tankfox@midwest.social · 4 pts · 362d
He won't, they don't have any dirt on him
IdontplaytheTrombone@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 363d
There's no way he would win an election.
dhork@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
Why not? He has a key advantage over Hillary and Kamala: he has a penis.
piefood@feddit.online · 14 pts · 363d
I'm sure it was the lack of a penis that cost Hillary and Kamala the elections, and not awful campaigns that they ran into the ground.
Sexism is indeed a problem, even in a presidential race, but lets be honest about why they really lost: They were terrible candidates, who ran terrible campaigns, based on terrible policies.
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 363d
He's also a multimillionaire married to a billionaire, which helps. Him, not the voters, but it helps.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 363d
Pretty sad to see all these bluemagas already prepared to lose and suck it up and vote for gruesome newsom. Why would the dems give you anything if you're prepared to do whatever they ask of you anyway??? Hey boss I would like a salary increase but dont worry if you cant I'm gonna work here forever no matter what...
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 363d
Newsom is just controlled opposition.
dhork@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
Let's see if we get a competitive primary. We really haven't had one of those since 2008. If Newsom can win over genuine challengers in a primary, then maybe he can pull off a win in the general.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 363d
Who gives a shit if he can win? Arguably its even worse if the dems get to run a candidate like that and still get votes.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 363d
Performative slime chasing the presidency like Corey Booker.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 363d
Lefties: got anybody yet?
See, this is what having a national party can do for you. Getting some ink 100years out.
To be clear, I’m not supporting this particular candidate or messaging, but I am saying if you’re planning to spike the anti-fascist movement again, please have a plan, and a name at least.
We’re years out. Start now. Next September is too late to yoink the midterms. September 2028 is too late to complain about how much Democrats love teh geniside. Start Now. Have a plan and a name.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 363d
any anti-fascist movement spearheaded by out and proud transphobe and anti-homeless firebrand newsom is already spiked...
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 363d
Nah he canceled that out by making fun of Trump /s
Sadly dnc and blue maga only care about that not his history of being barely left of an average republican
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 363d
If only were barely left
Soup@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 363d
If the DNC wants to win they should put someone up who will do that. Mamdani is actively showing them what will hand them the win and Harris showed them what will keep them from it. They seem to be continuing with the Harris strategy.
Why AOC isn’t putting herself up for it and starting now I don’t know. She’s popular and well liked and has the right ideas, it would go pretty well. You’re right that whoever it is needs to start now, though. Of course, I did love that Harris coming up so late left the GOP completely lost as to what to do since they never really had a platform of good ideas.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 363d
I think the Harris campaign started by being greatly benefitted from not being chained down by Dem consulting groups.
Unfortunately there was enough time for the consultants (and, reportedly, Biden’s “people”) to force enough errors that lost a lot of that Big Mo.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 16 pts · 363d
Great. He's gonna Hilary-up the election again.
ChetManly@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 363d
Don't forget to pokey-mon-go to the polls.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 362d
No. Fuck no. Hell the fuck no. He can keep doing his attack dog shit, that's fine he IS NOT presidential material. He is not what this conversation ntry needs to fix the shit Republicans have deliberately broken.
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 362d
iridebikes@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 362d
So let's say it does come down to Newsom v Vance. You really going to sit it out?
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 362d
Oh I'll certainly vote, just not for a Capitalist. Just like I've done for every elected position since 2012.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
So you'll make sure your vote doesn't count. Nice strat! Really gonna achieve change there big guy. Lol.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 361d
My City Councilman is a Socialist, so....
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
We aren't talking about city council...we are talking about the presidential election which has now turned America into an outright fascist police state.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 361d
Better vote for a socialist next time instead of Fascism-lite, after-all it is the least you can do.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
No. I will vote for a candidate that has a chance. If the presidential candidate is a socialist and has a chance, absolutely. Otherwise, I'll be voting for whatever isn't Trump or MAGA.
DancingBear@midwest.social · -2 pts · 362d
iridebikes@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 362d
Rofl that's so pathetic.
DancingBear@midwest.social · 0 pts · 361d
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
Refusing to vote instead of voting for the clearly better option is absolutely pathetic. Yes. Making posts cussing at people and accusing them of helping Trump get power and in other posts making statements that they themselves won't vote in the presidential election if it's not their perfect candidate.
Pathetic.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 362d
That is exactly the kind of person we need to win elections though.
piefood@feddit.online · 7 pts · 362d
No, we need someone who can actually get shit done. Not someone who is only good at performative shows.
btaf45@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 362d
#1 prereq to get shit done is to get elected.
piefood@feddit.online · 4 pts · 362d
Well that sure would be easier if Democrats kept their fingers off the scale when popular candidates show up.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 362d
Last I heard everybody gets one vote.
piefood@feddit.online · 6 pts · 362d
Last I heard "...the DNC charter’s promise of ‘impartiality and evenhandedness’ as a mere political promise—political rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts..."
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 361d
You heard wrong. Most of the country doesn't even get an active primary to vote in. The first couple states, which never change, usually determine everything.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 361d
Sure. But not as the candidate.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 363d
It's unsurprising Newsom is leading, given all the media coverage he's been given.
Anyway, any poll result now for 2028 is meaningless. A lot's going to happen between now and then, and non-centrist candidates will probably emerge, and possibly do well.
Freefall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
It's a popularity contest, not a competency contest...so yeah.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 362d
Exactly. There were also polls that had desantis surging... See how well thatb panned out.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 362d
He's been earning it lately.
https://lemmy.world/post/34736056
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 362d
Blue MAGA fucking sucks and so do you.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 361d
lemmy.ml fucking sucks and so do you
circuitfarmer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 363d
pyre@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 362d
Americans are so fucking dumb oh my god
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
That's the saddest part about this entire thing: using the technique of acting like a complete and utter moron is what fires up the American voting base.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 362d
Newsom Fetterman 2028. That's sure to fix things right up.
kerntucky@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 362d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 362d
So we just go back to the rich getting more welfare?
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 362d
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 362d
Gross.
I knew after the 2nd day of Newsom dick riding on reddit that this is what the democrats will shove down voters throats when the time comes.
What would the democratic party do if they didnt have the republicans to use as a cudgel against thier voters?
The blue conservatives in this comment section are suffering from a terminal case of Stockholm syndrome.
Sunshine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 362d
Disgusting how people want to support someone who is pro-corporate and betrays trans rights.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 362d
btaf45@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
Sunshine@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 362d
Yikes a transphobic dogwhistle and misinformation on sports. Trans women are biological women. Trans participating in sports was a non-issue in the us until the right started whining about it more recently. The International Olympic has stated that “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics.
Women are more likely to participate in sports when trans players are included.
Cis-women receive harassment in sports because of comments like these.
Let me guess you don't care about women and girls facing inequitable facilities, pay, and marketing; abusive coaches; and racist, sexist, and homophobic harassment.
Please folks learn more about the topic before listening to demagogues.
Trans Athletes: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
"Biological male" *: Often, TERFs and other transphobes will use the term when referring to trans women, especially on bathroom issues, saying that "biological men" want to use the same bathroom as little girls.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 362d
Yikes someone just jumped to a ridiculous conclusion. I'm not tranphobic. I don't hate trans people the slightest bit. I just have a legitimate disagreement with you on this one thing.
You would guess wrong on all these things.
True enough. Now that they have given up on hating gays, they are going after trans.
Well now, if I hadn't posted my mild comment that was removed for being politically incorrect, you wouldn't have had the opportunity to inform me and others about this would you? Maybe you would have changed my mind if the discussion had been allowed to proceed. That's why censorship is counterproductive and stupid. If someone post things I disagree with I would rather correct them then censor them.
At the time my comment was deleted, more people here approved of it than disapproved (4-3). So the censorship deprives yourself of the opportunity to convince others of your view.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 362d
It's not even about "biological men competing in womens sports", ultimately what it's about is not wanting trans people to exist at all. The sports thing is a red herring, don't fall for the bait.
When kids are trans, what they need is all the help and support we can provide. Puberty blockers and hormones to help facilitate. God forbid a kid should be comfortable in their own skin.
But, oh, no, we can't allow that either because, again, the end goal is making it harder or impossible for them to simply exist. It's not about sports and never has been.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 362d
Nope that's bullshit. If you attributed that to Newsom then you're the problem, not Newsom.
Yes, that is exactly what it is about. This one thing.
p.s. Did you actually delete my post just because I took this political stand of saying its not fair for trans women to compete in womens sports? Why would you do that? Is nobody allowed to have even a mildly politically incorrect opinion here? An enforced echo chamber does not help anybody.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 362d
I removed it because you're engaging in transphobic dog whistles that are not fit for our communities.
And, again, as explained above, the sports argument is a red herring. That's NOT what any of this is about, any more than it's about "protecting children" or whatever other bullshit they want to throw out.
They want to eliminate trans people, full stop. Eliminating puberty blockers and hormone treatment, bathroom laws, and the nonsense about sports.
It all boils down to they don't want trans people to exist, and if you start buying one piece of it, you buy all of it.
It's the trans equivalent of what got Jimmy The Greek fired back in 1988, but I recognize that's a little farther back than the internet remembers these days.
btaf45@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 362d
I'm not because I'm not transphobic and I don't hate trans people at all. I just have a political disagreement with you about athletics.
Okay maybe some of them do. But I don't. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics.
I am proof that your slippery slope assumption is definitely false. There is a 0% chance that I am ever going to hate trans people. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics. And if you don't think there are other people here who have the same opinion, you're wrong. By shutting down the discussion, you are depriving everybody of the opportunity to learn more and maybe have their minds changed. As a mod you should be trying very hard not to create an echo chamber. Or else explicitly list this opinion and any other opinions that people are not allowed to have here.
You arguing that having an athletics disagreement is the equivalent of "wanting to eliminate trans people" sounds to me like the equivalent of conservatives saying that wanting common sense gun regulations is the equivalent of "wanting to take your gun from you". i.e. You're taking a mild position and translating that into the most extreme position possible. That's not something I want to see in a regular commenter, let alone a mod with the ability to silence people with disagreeable opinions.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 362d
https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia/
f) Tacit transphobia is still transphobia.
Actions designed to harm or take away trans people’s human rights are still transphobic even when not expressed in explicitly transphobic language, or not expressed in language at all. This tacit transphobia is often referred to as ‘dogwhistle’ transphobia. For example, one UK based transphobic hate group bought a full page advert which read: ‘Woman: an adult human female.’ The statement itself is not transphobic, but when the context for the statement is that the group in question believe that trans women can never be female the transphobic intent is clear. Similarly, when a football ‘fan’ throws a banana at a black player during a match, the racist intent is clear even though bananas are not inherently racist.
Nico_198X@europe.pub · 1 pts · 361d
pretty heavy handed. can't say i like this or agree with you equating it with racism.
light@noc.social · 1 pts · 314d
@jordanlund @btaf45 A woman *is* an adult human female. If you claim otherwise, you are - at best - twisting language.
This is not the same as throwing a banana at a black person as it does not promote stereotypes.
"You are not a woman" is not hate speech, because no one thinks men are inferior to women. "You are a monkey" usually is, because humans are - whether rightly or wrongly - generally considered superior to non-human animals.
ameancow@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 362d
iridebikes@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 362d
Get over it or the GOP wins again.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 363d
Polls, especially before any campaigning are meaningless. They are a popularity contest. Those surveyed will select names that are familiar. Newsom is in the news, so he gets poll points for being in the news.
It means nothing about the future election. This is putting the proto-cart before the proto-horse.
RandAlThor@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 363d
Good god. Enough is enough.
IndigoLarry@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 363d
It's so crazy to me that Kamala is even considered a candidate for the presidency after their failed campaign has led us to one of the most backward ass, malicious, corrupt regimes in US history.
FanciestPants@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 362d
If we got to rank choice vote, I would absolutely put Newsom in above every current potential republican candidate, but the list above his name would also be quite long.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 361d
This guy will only slide slightly back to less fascism. Remember: democrats are in on it. They let the christofacists scare you a little so you think moderate right is better than them "socialisms".
Taking out the crazies is paramount, but don't forget the goal. Taking out money from politics, electoral reform, guaranteed public services, reversing the corporate plunder, and all that stuff.
deacon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 363d
Less gross is still gross.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 362d
Yikes.
Nico_198X@europe.pub · 6 pts · 362d
who tf cares? i'd vote for a honey badger over a fascist. that doesn't make this dude a GOOD choice.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 361d
Newsom is a fascist.
Nico_198X@europe.pub · 0 pts · 361d
nah, he's just a neolib.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 361d
You could have voted for the last one that was somehow not perfect, then you would not have this orange monkey shitting himself as a head of state.
Glad that there is a mild learning effect due to recent events
Nico_198X@europe.pub · 3 pts · 361d
who are you talking to? XD
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 361d
I'm not a fan of Newsome, he's just another Establishment/Corporatist Democrat, an extension of Bush/Obama/Biden, but the popular response to his strong speech and MAGA trolling proves that Americans are looking for a strong leader who will stand up to the MAGA Nazis.
We will never liberate America from the Nazis with weenies like Schmuck Schumer running the show.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 361d
We'll never liberate America with conservative schmucks wearing blue like Newsom running the show either. He's controlled opposition at best and actively moving further to the right with his anti-trans MAGA pandering.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 361d
Agree. We need Progressives with strength and courage to primary the stodgy dead logs who are taking up space in DC.
We have to beat the useless Establishment Dems before we can beat the MAGA Nazis. We need to be what the Republican Tea Party was in 2010.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 361d
so that people don't forget what as establishrent democrat is, newsom is pro-genocide, a transphobe and pointlessly cruel to the homeless. But as long as he is trolling the other fascists its fine i guess
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 361d
Yeah, he's just another Republican Lite.
Let's not forget that Don Jrs savage ex-beast, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is Newsome's ex-wife. I don't know what she was like back then, but at some point in time he could agree with her enough to fall in love and marry her. Perhaps she's moved more right since then, and he's moved more left, but the fact that they could ever find common ground is disturbing, and revealing.
If he's left of center, it's almost negligible. He may not be MAGA, but he is much closer to a traditional Republicans than a Democrat, and not even close to being Progressive.
ours@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 362d
Ah yes, Democrats shooting themselves in the foot again right on schedule, fantastic...
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 363d
Americans finally knowing when to throw the gloves off and dEcOrUm. You guys had Teddy Roosevelt and he was unabashedly unafraid of the vested interests. And even if there was no Teddy, you guys also mobilised to end the first Gilded Age. You can do it again!
thedruid@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 361d
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can't have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
rmrf@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 361d
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I'd much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 361d
Martin niemöllers poem comes to mind...
thedruid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
How about this time we do the right thing.. There's no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
rmrf@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 361d
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You're speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
thedruid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
No I'm not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don't swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you're speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I'm fighting for me and my family. Do what's right, not convenient.
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 362d
Ugh.
Chivera@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
Oh no
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 363d
Shit.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 363d
piefood@feddit.online · 6 pts · 363d
We had a choice between one monster, and another (there were other options, but both monsters fought to keep the non-monsters off the ballot). Sure, one monster was a bigger, meaner monster, but the other monster was still pretty damn evil. Maybe next time we should be allowed to pick someone that isn't evil, for a change.
It will never cease to amaze me that people blame the voters for being disgusted with the candidates, rather than blaming the parties for choosing such awful candidates.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 363d
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 362d
Do nothing??? Look at the DSA getting zohran mamdani into position over shoe-in and sex pest cuomo. Organise with others and dont vote newsom
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 362d
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 362d
You do realize the error with this utility calculation, right? A few more years of this style of "pragmatic liberal utilitarianism" will have you voting for a Dem who wants 9 genocides over a republican who wants 10. You'll find yourself voting for 2036 Dem candidate Ted Cruz as he runs against the republicans' candidate of Mecha Hitler.
This strategy isn't sustainable, and what you've shown is that there is no number of Palestinian children you wouldnt sacrifice to bide time for your crumbling oligarchy. At some point, we have a moral duty to the victims of our imperialism to simply dismantle our genocidal country.
btaf45@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 362d
Is your genocidal country (A) Russia, or (B) China? Its hard to tell but we know that both countries have populations so stupid that they allowed dictators to steal their entire governments. We know that Chinese imperialists invaded Tibet to annex their territory and Russian imperialists invaded Ukraine to annex their territory and they do indeed have a moral duty to dismantle their governments.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 362d
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 362d
least callous seppo
"If you weren't outraged by us providing the weapons to bomb brown kids it would probably be us providing the weapons to bomb black kids, there is just no winning with you people..."
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 362d
Thats... called a hypothetical. Hypotheticals allow you to do thought experiments - which are not some conniving, underhanded, or fallacious way of arguing.
If, hypothetically, in 30 years, your choice is between a democrat who wants 10 genocides and a replublican who wants 11, will you still be militantly democrat?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 362d
What are you talking about, after bernie got ratfucked people rallied behind killary because she is (supposedly) the lesser evil and then got genocide joe. So they rallied behind genocide joe because supposedly he is the lesser evil and then got killemalla (and he was shuffled off not because of his genocide, but because he was bad tv). So they rallied behind killemalla because she was the supposed lesser evil and now the dems are focustesting gruesome newsom. Your theory is the one that has been the mainstream since 2016 and look where you are now.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 362d
piefood@feddit.online · 5 pts · 362d
But you seemingly have a tolerance for Genocide?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 362d
well educate me then...
btaf45@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
It's more likely bad faith tankie Stalinism. One of the chief features of Stalinism is that they view other leftists as their main enemy, not conservatives.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 361d
piefood@feddit.online · 2 pts · 363d
Who is doing nothing? We're fighting for change, we are pushing for parties that are fighting for the people. We were litteraly in the streets, when the Democrats were out to brunch, while the Democratic leaders were bombing kids, and backing genocides.
Your analogy is flawed, btw. A more apt analogy would be terminal-cancer, or less-severe-terminal-cancer. So... congratulations on supporting the cancer, instead of helping the people who are suffering from cancer.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 363d
piefood@feddit.online · 1 pts · 362d
Protests, pushing for 3rd parties and politicians that have a record of actually doing something, funding anti-police and military groups, funding homeless-shelters and health-care for people in need.
I find this rich coming from some one who is defending the Democrats.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 361d
Actually you shoot the person who is forcing that choice on you in the face, and you beat-up his enablers. You don't accept cancer and broken-bones. Goddamn I fucking hate liberals.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 361d
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 363d
Speak for your damn self.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
The left is so fractured and infested with idealists that they can't be fucked to vote for someone that is 80% of what they want vs 10% of what they want. That's what this whole thing boils down to. We have two parties. That's it. If we had a system like Germany we may be able to create change. We can't here. Lesser of two evils is the only option.
piefood@feddit.online · 2 pts · 362d
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
Yeah, you're right, better to back the GOP instead.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 361d
There are non-capitalist candidates on the ballot, try voting for them.
piefood@feddit.online · 0 pts · 361d
I never said that. There is an easy way to keep the GOP out: Put up a candidate with policies that the voters want. But the Democrats seem pretty allergic to that.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
That's literally what you're saying... The vast majority of us agree on the bullet points and are very frustrated by the state of the US system.. but in the face of what we are dealing with, we really don't have the luxury of only voting for the perfect candidate. We know the Democrats suck. We get it. Lame Democrats or Authoritarian Republicans. Terrible options but clearly one is better than the other.
piefood@feddit.online · 1 pts · 361d
It's literally not what I'm saying. I also never said that one party wasn't better than the other. You are the one claiming that we're waiting for a "perfect" candidate, I'm saying that we just want someone that isn't a monster, and the Dems refuse to deliver on that.
If they would stop supporting the facists, and stop handing the elections over to them, we'd have better options. But they'd rather lose and keep supporting facists, than allow the voters to pick someone that isn't a monster.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
What's making the Democrats fascist? Clearly the Trump administration is fascist. But the Democrats? That's a bit of a stretch.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 362d
piefood@feddit.online · 1 pts · 362d
We're aware who is fanning the flames. We also see Democratic politicians holding a match and a can of gasoline, and we're told that it's our fault for asking for something better.
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 361d
Voting for the lesser of two evils for 40 years got us Trump. So maybe try something else.
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Yeah, maybe try non participation like this other guy. You can only live out the fantasy for so long before you have to vote for a less ideal candidate. And trying something else is???? Voting for a different primary candidate? Or you're saying sitting out is trying something else? Either way, the stance is milquetoast.
DancingBear@midwest.social · 3 pts · 362d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 362d
To everyone complaining: this is the fucking primary. This is when you bring out your leftist candidate that can represent us against literal fascists.
Stop fucking whining and do something about it before it's too late, Newsom wins the primary, and we all have to listen to you whine for another goddamn decade about how Democrats don't represent us.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 14 pts · 362d
Until the Democratic Party just ignores primary results they don't like.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 362d
Or they're like sinema and change completely after getting in office
btaf45@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 362d
Traitorapist Trump is that you? It sure sounds like you. I'm so sick of your ridiculous bullshit.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 362d
Just tried that in 2016. Debbie Schultz and Hillary decided to quell Bernie fervor, elevated Trump, and secured years of Trump and a fascist devolution. Utterly embarrassing. The Democratic party is not going to stop fascism.
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 362d
Well let’s fucking make them do it again, in such a way that they can’t fucking make up the deficit. How long are people going to bitch about it and use it as an excuse it’s just not possible? Tides are changing. It’s fucking now or never
btaf45@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 362d
Okay comrade. You know which party is as bad as fascism? The Communist party is every bit as bad.
Those 2 idiots decide for you whether you like Bernie or not? You look to them to make your decisions on who to support? LMFAO.........
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 362d
You must have missed the good news... We don't have to be concerned with "dividing the party" any longer.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
TuffNutzes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
Not a huge fan but glad to see he's making waves against MAGA.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 362d
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 363d
But why?? Because he's acting like trump??
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 363d
No, because he's mocking Trump. And because he's fighting back in the dirt with redistricting.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 363d
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 363d
He's standing up to trump by just going mask off and acting like him
JHRD1880@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Come on, it's 100% clear he's not acting like him, he's mocking him. This can't be that hard to understand.
ripcord@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 363d
Slop
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 362d
Yes he is doing slop
Cataphract@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 362d
I haven't deep-dived into the whole thing but from the tidbits of information I don't understand how the previous reply is slop or false.
From the article:
from the link in the article: (Newsom's own words)
idk, allowing yourself to be changed because of your oppositions actions and repeating their behavior as "mocking" just seems like something the daily show would do... not someone in a political position and hoping to run as a presidential campaign. Not saying it won't be effective, may even pull in some centrists or low informed voters with the stint but still seems weird and not really the best course of action.
Freefall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
Low-informed voters is a truly huge demographic in the US.
Zink@programming.dev · 2 pts · 361d
The US is a country where dozens of millions of people enthusiastically voted for exactly what we're getting. The concentration camps, the turbo genocide, the loss of rights, the bigotry -- these are requested features, not unintended consequences because that smooth talking senile old man pulled the wool over everybody's eyes.
And don't forget that the question of whether there will even be an election for somebody to replace Trump was already a thing before the election.
So yeah, Newsom totally represents what we DON'T want the opposition party to be. He's conservative clean-cut corporate america, just with a little attitude now to attract attention.
But holy shit please see the full context the american voters have to deal with. Not only do we have a deeply broken and biased voting system that is impossible to change, meaning we will only ever get 2 viable choices, but the political direction of the country is already going at breakneck speed in the wrong direction.
It might be that the accelerationists are right, and that things won't improve until there's a revolution and a better new form of government. And I am quite happy with the thought of starting fresh. But if we get to the point of party primaries are occurring, and they let me vote, I'll choose the progressive that wants to help people. If we get to the general election, I will choose the viable candidate that's going to do the most good and the least evil.
The time to get a progressive candidate in the white house is now (assuming there's an election, etc). In November 2028 the only thing left to do is signal your preference between the two remaining candidates or refuse to do so.
I live in a swing state so I personally can't stomach any general election action except the harm reduction one. Yeah it would be great to replace the whole system, but if I am standing in a voting booth on a November morning looking at a fascist R next to a corpo D next to a few other candidates who will get zero electoral votes, it means we the people have already failed to nominate a progressive and/or replace the government.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
Canadians are so confused as to the reason Americans hate newsom sort of like how Americans were confused why Canadians hated Trudeau.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 363d
I am not American, but I would begrudgingly vote for him if I could. That is, unless, if the US progressives have gained momentum and takes over the party and
ileftreddit@piefed.social · -3 pts · 363d
doomcanoe@piefed.social · 3 pts · 363d
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 361d
He isn't "fighting against fascism," he benefits from it.
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · -3 pts · 362d
I'd usually always vote dem, but I won't vote for this one. Mostly for transphobic statements, but he's actually kinda trumpy too
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
Good luck, I think you need actual fascism first to be healed. Should recalibrate your compass.
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 361d
If you think voting dem will cure fascism, you need to walk out your bubble
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 363d
krashmo@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 363d
Not really. Everything he's doing is window dressing that he waited 8 months to start working on. He's doing better than a lot of Dems but that says way more about how shitty they are than it does how good he is.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 363d
krashmo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 363d
Set a reminder for 9 months from now then look and see which state actually follows through on that.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 363d
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 363d
And who does he fight? LGBTQ+ people, particularly trans people. He's not what the USA needs, and he'll continue the erosion of human rights and the corporate control of everything.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 363d
Fight anything that would help people
Freefall@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 362d
VP maybe. Good attack dog. All I'm hearing from the actual left is "wwaaahhh this guy isn't insane-left enough, we want the lunatic fringe!". Ok, well...get running someone, don't wait until half way through the primaries to sit there and whine and divide the party. (Yes, I know that is the point for some folks like CCP-shills and other bad actors, but ACTUAL leftist Americans should be acting and promoting NOW)
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 362d
Dividing the party wouldn't be as big an issue if we didnt use First-past-the-post voting. Why arent the democrats making electoral reform the main focus? With how much complaining I've seen about 3rd party politicians and voters. You would think the "smartest people in the room" would be interested in a solution to alleviate or completely remove the problem?
Until the democrats take electoral reform seriously, they are the ones dividing the resistance against the republican party. Unfortunately, the blue conservatives see the party as more important then the United States of America.
::: spoiler Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
STAR voting
Alternative vote
Ranked Choice voting
Range Voting
Single Transferable Vote
Mixed Member Proportional representation :::
quoll@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 362d
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php
DancingBear@midwest.social · 1 pts · 362d