Trump says TikTok should be tweaked to become “100% MAGA”

Well the media is owned by them so...

and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.

Mainstream media at least. Thankfully, Arstechnica and The Verge have been shouting from the rooftops at how unconstitutional and fascist the trump regime is being.

I think we actually get to understand now how Hitler came to power. I remember in school, I was mystified how such an hateful man could become a leader of a country. Now I understand.

History will most likely repeat itself and humanity needs a big war to once again remember what hate leads to.

It just sucks for the ones who already learned that lesson from basic history.

Your first amendment only applies to congress and legislative bodies at state and municipal levels. Private citizens and corporations technically can do whatever they want.

the media just repeats it

The media reports on it, attempting to do so from a neutral point of view.

I actually appreciate that the professional media is still attempting to stick to a neutral point of view. If they abandon that, you get media like MSNBC and Fox News where every single news story is discussed from a certain political point of view. That just sorts people into camps that listen to the news source that agrees with their perceived notions, which then radicalizes them even more.

If people can't agree on a basic set of facts, then there's no point to having a democracy. A media that covers the facts with as little bias as possible is essential to that working.

That isn't to say that I think the media is doing a great job. The big media companies that are owned by the oligarchs are doing especially badly. When Trump does something like this, responsible media that's attempting to be unbiased should at least connect historical dots, like other times that presidents have threatened the media, and what the results of that have been.

Because the public, apart from maybe one kid in Utah, is just sitting there allowing it.

Ignoring the problem won't make it go away, though

The moment Trump says any sort of number the event should just end, return to your regularly scheduled programming, no need for any further attention because you know for a fact that everything he says past that point is complete fiction without a shred of usefulness to anybody.

No one's going to convince me that an accurate numerical figure has ever passed through that man's lips, and if it did, it was a cosmic accident.

"Jesus this"

You voted for Trump

"Free market that"

You voted for Trump

But they don't have the fucking power. They're letting Trump do whatever he wants, and eroding their own authority in the process.

Mobile web or bust.

And man have some websites gone bust...

I used it for the first and last time after Charlie Kirk, because it was one of the few places where the memes were more or less unmoderated. They’re going to have a fun time trying to crack down on that I guess.

I used to be like you I used to think it was just full of young kids doing silly dances, turns out a lot of information doesn’t really need more than two or three minutes to explain it and everything else is fluff so yeah, it’s a great place. I don’t know where this hate comes from.

I'm ok with that.

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I never used either. Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.

But then I also gave up broadcast TV before even Netflix was popular. Just spent a small fortune on bargain bin DVDs instead.

I sometimes feel like the only mf around who doesn't and never used tiktok. From the very start it just gave off bad vibes, and then all the news started coming out about it rotting your attention span away, data collection and russian manipulation winning hearts of young people, which pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Ironically reddit feels like a much safer platform than tiktok.

That's why decentralized platforms have to be the answer. They might not be impossible to co-opt, but they're certainly more difficult.

I've been warning people about this stuff for years, and they wouldn't listen. I'm not happy about being right. It sucks!

It's Chinese spyware bro

Goddamn this is dark. Just when can i expect people to ever start actually fighting back in any sort of tangibly productive manner? We are so fucked.

Makes me rage that millions died defeating that megalomaniac.

This will be truth social again with a pre-existing user base and better algorithms. People will drop off, but they will probably boil the frog slowly to keep people around.

In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it's normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.

And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn't compete, which didn't kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn't quite recover.

About driving users off - that doesn't really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers' experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it's more of VK's experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.

It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?

Most of Gen Z are in their twenties and capable of thinking for themselves. Generally speaking, they’ve grown up accustomed to and accepting of neurodivergence, gender fluidity, and the spectrum of sexualities.

It’s the younger and older generations I’m more worried about.

You see that you're doing the generations thing right? Like you are doing the "lazy millennials" thing but just at a different generation. You're falling for their propaganda.

I scoff at your statement, O' Lizard!

As an older Gen Z, this generation is very split. The Gen Z in their twenties are extremely progressive and left-leaning, whereas younger Gen Z are deep in the alt-right pipeline. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, but Gen Z really is two generations smooshed into one.

Its the billionaires against the working class, not generations fighting generations.

Looks around everything is still fucked on earth and climate change is gonna kill us all, did it even fucking matter we didn't become Nazis -mostly S . Seriously I want to leave.

It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet

Or just don’t use these stupid apps.

Russia, or China

These are the only countries you can trust to not extradite you to the US you fucking baffoon.

He also said Americans won't have to worry about China spying on them anymore or something like that.... right before saying this

What does it take to get people to switch, though? The owner of X did a Nazi salute in front of a national audience. Twice. And most people are still on there.

MAGA youths !

You see them as desperate? Above anything, I see them as opposites.

The actions seem similar, but their intentions are very different. They're not scared or anxious. They're enabled, demanding, and oppressive.

Thanks for reminding me that voat doesn't exist anymore. The internet's butthole wart has been removed.

I think people won't care, at least this demographic fellow Gen Z. They still gonna use the app. Arguemnts such as "oh everyone uses this to send funny tiktoks to themselves it's not that big of a deal" it will be just more shit to go through. Similar thing to Twitter. Everyone is so pissed at Elon because more bot accounts, you can't or couldn't block him and other shady stuff but still uses the twitter (X) because... everyone uses it.

But I also hope it will kill the app.

And Larry Ellison's investment with it. Lol!

He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he's doing.

I suppose that's why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.

Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don't know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.

More than America is fucked.

He lacks the warmth and depth

I said something similar on Reddit and got permanently banned lol! America stands by watching as this clown turns his country into a dictatorship. Worst neighbors ever!

IMO, that site doesn't really look like it wants to succeed. Seems like the mobile apps are still in development, so maybe the site is intentionally like that, for now.

The most obvious difference: When I open that link, I see no video. If I open tiktok.com, I see a video.

That's just from a cursory look though. I've never heard of them, so I could easily be wrong.

Can't be any worse than how badly Rivian fumbled Tesla's downfall

A much bigger young audience?

TikTok is a short video social platform. People post only videos. The two you mentioned are short public messaging social platforms, with the capability to post/include videos.

That's not really what this is about, though. TikTok was not under their control, so they're trying to take control and follow their script of media and social control.

Short video format focus?

It's gone full circle. Grandparents are the only reason I even have a Facebook account anymore.

MAGAniac

glad you bend over so easily. Saves whoever the cost of lube even.

They literally did that with Facebook. Yeah, plenty of people left, but it worked.

I dont think your definition of "American" matches with the rest of the world if this is "un-american" for you.

No, not North Korea clone but a Nazi Germany clone.

Also a fucking idiot..

How the fuck do you think we got MAGA to begin with?

i really think you are minimizing how bad this is. This is the government weaponizing social media, much like elon musk weaponized twitter. Only this time, the social media is directly owned by a fascist government regime. This is a massive massive conflict of interest which is going to 100% turn tik tok into a propaganda machine.

TikTok and Instagram were never good, but they provided a platform for people on the streets to provide real time updates on current events that countered the state narrative/propaganda on main stream media.

TikTok and Instagram exposed the truth about the American empire to a significant portion of the population. They want to make sure it's all controlled state approved content, they want to eliminate our ability to reach eyes and ears.

So sure, have at the Chinese propaganda platform, but not without an alternative that allows us to reach wide audiences... And we don't have an alternative... Not enough people are on the fediverse and the learning curve is pretty massive.

To be fair, I don't think Xitter is really dead? It certainly took a hit though 🤷

What would he care if it kills a lot of use. Some will stay, even if it becomes just an echo chamber, there will be users who don't leave and slowly get fed more and more content that changes their bias.

A propaganda machine does have to reach 100% of the population, it just needs to pluck small percentages that were on the outskirts and hold the current believers in a situation where they believe this is better than whatever bologna scenario they make up would happen if they weren't doing this. America is MUCH safer place to live today than it was when I was born back in 89'.

Yet a large portion of the population does not believe that, because they throw murders in people's faces through every facet of our lives to make people feel afraid and use security as an excuse to gain further control over people's rights.

Anyone who thinks "I could leave my doors unlocked back in the 1990s and I can't today" has been fooled.

Anyone who thinks subways, trains, or public transit isn't multiple times safer than getting into a car and driving to work, has been fooled.

And social media as well as news stations want us to be angry and scared, because it gets people engaged. Engagement makes them money. Happy people who feel safe go outside and go to the beach, play sports, go hiking, go to movies, join a book club, have a hobby of some sort. None of those things make news outlets money. Social media could, because they could sell ad slots to people who sell products for those hobbies.. but I guess it doesn't make as much.

Even better in Nepal.

Trump is forcing them to sell their American operations to American owners or be blocked from operating in the US.

Missed the news, eh?

Lol, xenophobia and ignorance: the classic Westerner combination

They were forced to sell to a us based group.

Just a heads up, the "in Minecraft " defense has been tested in our "justice" system and it will not protect you.

Everyone has those friends who keep sharing you stuff from tiktok. I also happen to be pretty good with AI, run my own local models and all that (I know lemmy hates AI, but just for context..). The thing I've noticed is that by the each passing month, they keep sending me more and more AI generated or edited stuff, it's rapidly on the rise. If it has become so good only people with trained eye can spot it, how will tiktok look in 2 years?

The AI videos are becoming very prevalent. If you didn't know what to look for you may not recognize it off the bat. It's wild.

Why would he? He's crashed every other business.

I’m not quite following you. First, I never heard about Democrats wanting to ban it for their narrative; I only know about the bipartisan ban. Is that what you mean? Second, what are you talking about with the thanking the DNC thing? What does that have to do with this?

Lastly, I strongly disagree that we deserve Trump. Nobody deserves right wing lunacy, especially not a large society that did not uniformly support his candidacy in any way. Do you think Germany deserved Hitler?

There seems to be some correlation between lemmy.ml and shit takes. So strange...🤔