Companies that obtain mobile phone location data generally do it in two different ways. The first is through software development kits (SDKs) embedded in ordinary smartphone apps, like games or weather forecasters. These SDKs continuously gather a user’s granular location, transfer that to the data broker, and then sell that data onward or repackage it and sell access to government agencies.
The second is through real-time bidding (RTB). When an advert is about to be served to a mobile phone user, there is a near instantaneous, and invisible, bidding process in which different companies vie to have their advert placed in front of certain demographics. A side-effect is that this demographic data, including mobile phones’ location, can be harvested by surveillance firms. Sometimes spy companies buy ad tech companies out right to insert themselves into this data supply chain. We previously found at least thousands of apps were hijacked to provide location data in this way.
I really despise these practices. I don't know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
Or you use confirmation bias to tell yourself it's an innocuous use case that won't hurt anyone.
Or you use a bandwagon argument like "everybody else is doing it, so why can't we" or "everybody else is doing it so it doesn't make much difference if we do too"
Or you use a library for ads such as the google-ads-api npm package, without checking it, so you don't realise how much data it's collecting on your users...
The Peter Thiel Paradox (also the name of my new wave band) "It's inevitable/you're only fighting progress, and any regulations will turn it into an authoritarian nightmare. Which is what it's turning into anyway because it's simply inevitable. So stop trying to resist by forcing regulations on this inevitable authoritarian nightmare that we had no way of stopping."
I switched to /e/ a while ago, they have a feature called advanced privacy. commercial Lemmy clients like Connect and Raccoon have trackers embedded and are blocked automagically. ^I use Jerboa btw^
I don’t know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
Have you seen the job market for programmers lately? It feels like it's almost all for AI slop, abusive rentier middleman business models that add no real value, defense war contractors, or all of the above at once.
That's not to say that it's acceptable for people to work those jobs with a clear conscience; it's to say that for a bunch of people the only ethical options would be to remain unemployed or leave the industry.
I've been seeing exactly that. Reading through these job descriptions is a bit depressing. I can't virtue signal my lack of morality and unthinking subservience to my potential employer hard enough to make cutoff to become "Director of AI Shilling" or a "Dark Pattern Consent Violation Engineer".
I know the kind of environments that won't work for me. This will always limit the jobs I can and can't work and I'm generally okay with that. I would love some of that bountiful defence contractor money, but I can't ethically justify doing work that harms others or limits their freedom. Advertising tech would have been a good fit for me... if I had no sense of ethics.
It's a tough realization that my gaming consoles, GPS Smart Watch, and fancy modern over-engineered car only became possible because tons of money was poured into building out related tech for defence and surveillance.
I imagine the cognitive dissonance must be really strong in someone working for some of these companies that have monetized governmentally sanctioned or corporately opportunistic civil rights abuses. Then again, we're often kept apart, working in our own little areas where we're safe from having to see the whole horrifying machine.
It’s the same for anyone who works for Meta or MS or Google or Anduril or whatever these days: you look at your comp package that’s worth roughly half a million annually, and you say
They have been paying people to not have morals for quite a while now.
Because if they don't their masters they will become destitute and starve while homeless
And all social interaction happen at veiled gunpoint
Under these conditions it is no surprise at all that conscience plays no role whatsoever, it is just a savage free-for-all for survival happening under our cursed star, an insane 10 billion years long churning of thinking meat, consciousness behind birthed into the wreckage, screaming uncomprehendingly at what is happened until it soon it is just as easily, mercifully and meaninglessly snuffed out again.
Fortunately we have a shot at scorching the surface of this planet thanks to global warming and really the question is, can we make it happen before we genocide ourselves, leaving this planet's biosphere still capable of sustaining the horrors of life ?
I met some real people this week, they were watching advertising.
They thought the government cared about them.
One wanted to upgrade their car to add another 100 horsepower they cannot use anywhere.
Another told me, he does not like raising cows but he had to get more cows to make it more economical to raise cows.
They were all bummed out that the end of the end of the week was upon us, and soon they would have to work 40 hours in the next 5 days, doing things they stopped liking doing a long time again, if they ever did at all.
As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.
A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.
This would be a flight mode switch that reliably works. But it also means you are offline, which is no solution to the average "daily" problem of being tracked.
Yup, the baseband modem does what it’s firmware tells it to, and that’s entirely independent from the phone’s software. And open baseband modems to my knowledge don’t exist.
If the spyware/tracking started and ended at the cell tower it would be a good start. I'm not sure the sensor data would be sent to the tower either. It would just be a general area.
I wish smartphones only tracked and sent data about your location. They gather every personal information you could and could not imagine about you. They analyze what you click like on socia media and all your circle of friends.
A Linux phone could theoretically use other networks. You could pipe traffic through I2P or bounce it around multiple network types with reticulum. It’s actually theoretically possible to make a community mesh that doesn’t need cellular at all. I don’t NEED to carry the entire internet with me everywhere. I can carry a device with a cache of stuff I need but for everything else I can just connect to some sort of network to fetch it when I actually need it on demand.
A Linux phone would let you do that. You can explore that possibility. Android and IPhone will never allow that because latency is shot on the alternative networks and they aren’t expensive enough to make a profit off of.
Nearly every weather app that exists is repackaging data from an official, tax funded source. Apps using weather underground data possibly being the only exception.
Show me one that doesn't want location permissions and such. So now they've got Your data and can do as they please with it.
I think the last time I tried a bunch, it came down to Breezy and Cirrus. I think they're pretty similar but I settled on Cirrus for whatever reason. Here's a link for anyone interested.
You're having an argument with a voice in your head or something. I'm just going to tag you and go about my morning. Good luck with whatever it is you're dealing with.
No this implies you get a choice, which you don't. You can get it for free and sell your data, or you can pay for it...and still also sell your data. The real money is in the data, they won't give that up...ever.
the weather app can't. Your cell provider can without any phone permissions. Google/Apple secretly could as well. These companies love your government more than they love you.
Yeah, that's true. Often people will take the money from users AND from selling data. But you can (usually) verify if that's the case by checking the app's permissions required.
The point stands, however: you either pay for the software with money, or with data - with the only exception being the unusually rare FOSS project here and there, which either lives in relative obscurity or grows to become large enough for the creators to either start requiring money, or just fold under the load...
Yes. By making your app paid, not free. 90% of Apple Store/Google Play store users don’t want to pay for apps with their money.
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
You’re childishly naive if you think it’s malice 100% of the way top to bottom.
No, I'm just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you're defending and I don't charge money for it or harvest my user's data. I'm also not alone.
If we can do it, why can't this scumbag? Oh yeah, because he has useful idiots like you going to bat for him.
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It's cute and predictable.
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
Buddy, are you suggesting that software developers should "do something else to earn money"?
Are you high right now?
No, I’m just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
Go ahead. Quote the bit where anyone in this thread is batting for anybody.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you’re defending
I'm becoming fairly certain that you are high. What exactly am I defending....?
If we can do it, why can’t this scumbag?
We can't have a discussion if you don't understand some simple facts of life. Such as: "people need to eat", or "eating costs money", or "not everybody has the privilege of being a software developer as a side-gig", or "not everybody wants or can be a farmer".
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It’s cute and predictable.
And in case it wasn't already clear enough how absurd this all is, the creeps at Palantir are now actually so brazen as to officially call one of their mass surveillance systems "Project Gotham"...brave new world.
Yes, maybe a bit much, but it would have been very fitting, since the marketing is obviously aimed specifically at the villains of the world—perhaps for the next project.
It's quite telling of the times we live in that you can make it so obvious these days. You'd think that at least some concealment of the intentions behind these mass surveillance products would be appropriate, but I guess with people like Trump in the White House, Putin in the Kremlin, Netanyahu in Israel, and many others of that caliber, it's no longer necessary.
If the government had a right to that data they wouldn't need to pay for it, they could just subpoena it. But they don't, so instead they're paying middle men to circumvent our rights.
Yup. Look up tow truck companies, they track license plates with their readers and lease the data to police since police can't track without a warrant.
Trump’s executive order just made anyone who is critical of his administrations criminal conduct a terrorist by royal decree. We all should be armed and prepared to defend ourselves and our families against tyranny. They’re “disappearing” people without accountability. The pedo king literally declared war on citizens for not conforming to his dictatorship. The military was instructed to commit war crimes against American citizens yesterday. ie:raping and pillaging. Am I misreading the situation?
He should be tried and executed for treason, but those in leadership positions in our country have betrayed their oaths. That means we all need to be armed to the fucking teeth as soon as possible.
Not just phone makers, but the telecom companies. Even if your phone shares no location data, it still checks in with a cell tower constantly. As you move around, so does your registration at a tower. It's accurate to about 2 miles. Match that with your known home address or work address and your location is easily guessed
They don't need the cooperation of telecom providers. They receive the same signal you send to the cell tower. Even if the signal is encrypted so they can't see what you are sending, they can identify that you are sending.
With enough receivers listening, they can identify your location to a pretty high accuracy.
Yup. There are dozens of these contractors in our modern surveillance state, and it’s all bought up en masse by the government (and others!) for all sorts of purposes.
Everyone knows Apple said they would never do that and that one time defied the FBI about it. Are you saying Tim Cook would just lie let a false impression stand ?
Privacy policies are irrelevant here. They are picking up unique data as your phone communicates with a cell tower. You can do it with a $15 RTL-SDR receiver.
Get a hundred receivers and you can pinpoint anybody in a city.
So they will know where I have been? Even though I am not American... I remember when the British government demanded that Apple give them that kind of information on all iPhone users all over the world and Apple told them to go fuck themselves.
Because they will never quit. Ever. We need to get lucky and stop them every time (and I feel powerless beyond signing some petition online and maybe making a donation), but they need to get lucky once.
And I cannot recall a single time that such laws were ever repealed. The patriot act has had some questionable efficacy and now ICE and the Trump administration want so many more additions that there is just no going back.
Even in Canada, which never had an issue with terrorism, has passed many laws heavily infringing on people's freedoms and are trying to pass the biggest one yet with Bill C-2, even though it actually weakens border protections and gives American companies far, far more ability to surveil Canadians than ever before. This is when violence and terror threats have been greatly diminishing for years (and not because of some BS laws).
Just need to financially cripple investment into companies like this. Go out of your way to march with your wallet to get impacts into their profitability.
Hmm can't seem to load the archive site so haven't read the whole thing. Anyone know details of how this works? Are we all fucked if we have a phone or is staying off social media and hardening security with something like Graphene OS enough to keep you out of their system?
GrapheneOS already runs google play services in a sandbox that doesn't have core access to the device's functionality (you can lie about giving apps storage access or location data, for example), and because you already have alternatives to ad-based services (CoMaps, Thunderbird, etc...) you should be safe from telemetry often hidden inside of popular apps like Google Maps.
Nothing's bulletproof, of course, but the difference with GrapheneOS is that you can see what's going on, grant permissions selectively to certain apps, or opt out entirely by only installing F-droid apps or using Graphene's FOSS suite. You don't have pre-baked telemetry at all, so nothing for them to harvest.
Some choices to help would be to avoid using precise location for weather apps. Course is usually very good unless you're a weather tracking hobbyist. If you're not using ad blocking it's never a bad time to start.
Ad blocking in browser is good but combined with a DNS service that offers block lists like Hagezi's options it's great. These lists can block a lot of tracking and telemetry data and not just the ads themselves. ControlD and NextDNS are two solid options. NextDNS doesn't offer Hagezi Threat Intelligence Feeds specifically but have their own proprietary version. The company claims it covers much of Hagezi's lists but I haven't compared.
ControlD has a 30 day free trial period with two plans either $20 or $40 per year. The $40 per year option has a future called Redirect. Their description "Spoof various web services, apps and platforms to geo-distributed proxy locations and appear to be in a different country".
NextDNS has a free plan that can be used on multiple devices. Paid is $20 per year for unlimited. The catch to the free plan is it's good for 300,000 queries per month. If you get close they email a warning and if you go over the service will still work as a DNS but without the blocking. It will automatically start again the next cycle.
Here's the Hagezi GitHub but other lists are good too like OISD and AdGuard lists.
I use Ultimate but that may be too restricted for some. It will break websites and apps like FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram. If you use those a slightly less strict list a better choice. You'll still get protection but there's a balance to everyone's needs so do read up on each list and what makes sense for you.
All that wrapped in a trusted VPN and you're doing pretty well. Nothing is perfect and if a government power wants to know where you are this isn't going to stop them. For me that's not what this is for. I use this stuff against the ads and tracking crap everywhere. I'm not trying to hide and can't really offer much regarding that.
I'm maybe a bit over the top compared to some. If this all sounds crazy a simple ad blocker (AdGuard, uBlock Origin) in browser and course location for weather and anything else location based that makes sense is a solid start. You can always whitelist websites you wish to support via ad revenue if that's an interest.
Yes they can be used with a PiHole. I don't use one so I can't offer much for set up. On the GitHub page each list version has various links depending on the format needed for where it will be used. For example, PiHole is under the Adblock format which works with (Pi-hole, AdGuard, AdGuard Home, eBlocker, uBlock Origin, Brave (only in aggressive mode), AdNauseam, Little Snitch Mini).
In my research about this stuff I saw many people talking about these lists for their own home DNS set up. Good luck!
Install the android developer tools, or whatever it is that includes the adb utility. Download the software from the EFF & run the install script while your device is plugged in via usb.
Their job is to track, find, abduct, imprison and deport people. That skillset and logistic apparatus is as effective against everyone as it is immigrants.
Definitely considering looking into portable Faraday cages...
Guess it doesn't really matter when the license plate on my car is tracked everywhere I go and all the big businesses use face identification the moment you walk into their stores, probably all run by the same vendor and packaged and sold to the highest bidder.
I think we all need to spend time on the privacy and security channels here. There are ways to resolve this data leaking. Also simple settings on your devices
I track the location of hundreds maybe thousands of phones every day for minutes at the time. I see people using them while I commute. Where can I collect my fee from the US government for my services?
Take your clothes off then, and burn them, if you've 'got nothing to hide'. Let's see your address and ssn. Where do you work, and what position do you hold?
Oh, suddenly you have changed your stance on the matter... funny how that works.
Try searching for yourself and let the realization and dread set in that most of those hypothetical questions I just asked, I can find out, without needing to ask you directly - because you've given them away, while having 'nothing to hide'.
I believe there has been a case of this. I remember a person phished some service to give them access to a person's account or account data under the guise of "lives are on the line here". Might've also spoofed the email, but either way, he managed to get it
Once I looked celebrity’s well-known family member just to see how bad data brokers are. It game me her info and it had a relative section that listed all of the celebrity’s info too, including addresses and phone numbers. It was bonkers that it was so easy to find. Especially, since I didn’t pay for it. That was just 100% free searches on various data sites and google. Imagine what I could have done if I had paid for info.
:rofl: why would they? All that is already for sale, pally. Find a data broker, fork over twenty bucks, and all that info is fair game. Hell, fire up a TOR client, find a data breach that contains your device's MAC address or static IP, pay five or ten bucks, and same deal, but now I can drain your credit card.
Don't like it? Well the data comes from somewhere, unregulated floodgates of data collection to be bought, resold and scrutinized (or stolen). Nothing to hide, eh?
Since due process is off the table, we've determined (without a trial) that you're not a citizen, and you're being deported to a country you've never been to, where they will imprison you at our request, and they don't speak any language you do.
If I took this argument in good faith, also consider your behaviors can be used against you and your neighbor. I've heard people say TikTok knew they were bisexual before the user themself knew it. Massive amounts of data on human behavior can be used to sell you the newest phone or the newest infringement of your rights.
In here it's mostly not, but it's currently +5 degrees celsius outside so I'm keeping my clothes. And whatever little is left of my privacy too, thank you.
Hey everyone, the name caller above is going to give the police state a big ol' bear hug after recess is over. Why has Lemmy forced their hand like this?!
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treadful@lemmy.zip · 199 pts · 308d
Thanks for including the mirror, OP.
I really despise these practices. I don't know how people can build these tools with a clear conscience.
otacon239@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 308d
That’s easy. You just ignore your conscience because money speaks louder to these people.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 307d
Or you use confirmation bias to tell yourself it's an innocuous use case that won't hurt anyone.
Or you use a bandwagon argument like "everybody else is doing it, so why can't we" or "everybody else is doing it so it doesn't make much difference if we do too"
Or you use a library for ads such as the google-ads-api npm package, without checking it, so you don't realise how much data it's collecting on your users...
otacon239@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
Or even worse, “if we don’t it, someone else will anyway”
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 305d
The Peter Thiel Paradox (also the name of my new wave band) "It's inevitable/you're only fighting progress, and any regulations will turn it into an authoritarian nightmare. Which is what it's turning into anyway because it's simply inevitable. So stop trying to resist by forcing regulations on this inevitable authoritarian nightmare that we had no way of stopping."
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 308d
Jesus fucking Christ. Time to delete the two games I’ve ever downloaded. Dunno if that even helps at this point.
Beacon@fedia.io · 41 pts · 308d
It's not specific to games, it's all apps that have ads
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 17 pts · 308d
I should have just went back to the flip phone like ten years ago.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 307d
I switched to /e/ a while ago, they have a feature called advanced privacy. commercial Lemmy clients like Connect and Raccoon have trackers embedded and are blocked automagically. ^I use Jerboa btw^
limerod@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 305d
You can instead use apps which block trackers. I can recommend 3.
Netguard with tracker filters enabled, PersonalDNS filter – a fire and forget DNS filter app, or Adguard android app from Adguard website.
The 1st one needs payment to access some pro features but can also block internet connection to all your apps.
The 2nd one is a simple DNS blocker which can have millions of rules and won't choke under the load.
The last one is not Foss or available on fdroid like the 1st two are, but is much more powerful than the 1st two combined.
Pick your tools and limit information now.
grue@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 308d
Have you seen the job market for programmers lately? It feels like it's almost all for AI slop, abusive rentier middleman business models that add no real value,
defensewar contractors, or all of the above at once.That's not to say that it's acceptable for people to work those jobs with a clear conscience; it's to say that for a bunch of people the only ethical options would be to remain unemployed or leave the industry.
njordomir@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
I've been seeing exactly that. Reading through these job descriptions is a bit depressing. I can't virtue signal my lack of morality and unthinking subservience to my potential employer hard enough to make cutoff to become "Director of AI Shilling" or a "Dark Pattern Consent Violation Engineer".
I know the kind of environments that won't work for me. This will always limit the jobs I can and can't work and I'm generally okay with that. I would love some of that bountiful defence contractor money, but I can't ethically justify doing work that harms others or limits their freedom. Advertising tech would have been a good fit for me... if I had no sense of ethics.
It's a tough realization that my gaming consoles, GPS Smart Watch, and fancy modern over-engineered car only became possible because tons of money was poured into building out related tech for defence and surveillance.
I imagine the cognitive dissonance must be really strong in someone working for some of these companies that have monetized governmentally sanctioned or corporately opportunistic civil rights abuses. Then again, we're often kept apart, working in our own little areas where we're safe from having to see the whole horrifying machine.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 307d
It’s the same for anyone who works for Meta or MS or Google or Anduril or whatever these days: you look at your comp package that’s worth roughly half a million annually, and you say
They have been paying people to not have morals for quite a while now.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 308d
Because if they don't their masters they will become destitute and starve while homeless
And all social interaction happen at veiled gunpoint
Under these conditions it is no surprise at all that conscience plays no role whatsoever, it is just a savage free-for-all for survival happening under our cursed star, an insane 10 billion years long churning of thinking meat, consciousness behind birthed into the wreckage, screaming uncomprehendingly at what is happened until it soon it is just as easily, mercifully and meaninglessly snuffed out again.
Fortunately we have a shot at scorching the surface of this planet thanks to global warming and really the question is, can we make it happen before we genocide ourselves, leaving this planet's biosphere still capable of sustaining the horrors of life ?
treadful@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 308d
You should really talk to some real in-the-flesh people.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 308d
I met some real people this week, they were watching advertising.
They thought the government cared about them.
One wanted to upgrade their car to add another 100 horsepower they cannot use anywhere.
Another told me, he does not like raising cows but he had to get more cows to make it more economical to raise cows.
They were all bummed out that the end of the end of the week was upon us, and soon they would have to work 40 hours in the next 5 days, doing things they stopped liking doing a long time again, if they ever did at all.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 308d
A proper Linux phone cannot come soon enough
StefanT@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 307d
As much as I would love to have a Linux phone, it will not fully help with privacy. The devices are logged into a cell tower and have a unique ID. This alone makes them trackable.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 307d
A removable physical or electronic SIM on a system that has full control of inbound or outbound traffic (linux phone) would still be a whole lot better than nothing. Imagine having a switch to reliably sever any heartbeat signals between the tower and the device at any time.
StefanT@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 307d
This would be a flight mode switch that reliably works. But it also means you are offline, which is no solution to the average "daily" problem of being tracked.
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 307d
Yup, the baseband modem does what it’s firmware tells it to, and that’s entirely independent from the phone’s software. And open baseband modems to my knowledge don’t exist.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
If the spyware/tracking started and ended at the cell tower it would be a good start. I'm not sure the sensor data would be sent to the tower either. It would just be a general area.
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
I wish smartphones only tracked and sent data about your location. They gather every personal information you could and could not imagine about you. They analyze what you click like on socia media and all your circle of friends.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 306d
A Linux phone could theoretically use other networks. You could pipe traffic through I2P or bounce it around multiple network types with reticulum. It’s actually theoretically possible to make a community mesh that doesn’t need cellular at all. I don’t NEED to carry the entire internet with me everywhere. I can carry a device with a cache of stuff I need but for everything else I can just connect to some sort of network to fetch it when I actually need it on demand.
A Linux phone would let you do that. You can explore that possibility. Android and IPhone will never allow that because latency is shot on the alternative networks and they aren’t expensive enough to make a profit off of.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · -5 pts · 307d
The pinephone released years ago. Flip phones with removable batteries have existed for decades. At this point its on you.
ronigami@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
What carrier do you use with a pinephone?
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 64 pts · 308d
Bro...my weather app is selling my data? 😦
I just wanted up-to-date travel conditions in a convenient widget. My taxes already pay for the meteorology, why do they need to sell my data too??
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 57 pts · 308d
Because greed.
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 307d
And useful idiots like /u/alaknar.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -12 pts · 307d
Show me one weather app that's state-sponsored (therefore: paid by taxes) that sells data to boost income.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 307d
Nearly every weather app that exists is repackaging data from an official, tax funded source. Apps using weather underground data possibly being the only exception.
Show me one that doesn't want location permissions and such. So now they've got Your data and can do as they please with it.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
To be fair, a weather app does need to know my location to give relevant information.
jve@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 307d
No it doesn’t.
It just needs to know what cities you care about.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 307d
Absolutely. Just don't do anything shady with that information. I think that's all anyone's asking.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -2 pts · 307d
The weather source. Not the application source. A dude needs to sit down and write that part.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 307d
Sure, and it would be cool if that dude didn't pass my personal information to a third party.
dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 307d
Breezy Weather
Not affiliated, just discovered this amazing app relatively recently.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 307d
I think the last time I tried a bunch, it came down to Breezy and Cirrus. I think they're pretty similar but I settled on Cirrus for whatever reason. Here's a link for anyone interested.
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.woheller69.omweather
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -2 pts · 307d
Aaaand we circle back to THIS.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 307d
You're having an argument with a voice in your head or something. I'm just going to tag you and go about my morning. Good luck with whatever it is you're dealing with.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 307d
Yeah, but it got privatized, so now you need to pay more money to a 3rd party to access the services you are already paying money to access.
4am@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 307d
And pay a 4th party to go around removing you from data broker lists, is the expectation
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 307d
Yeah. That's an exercise in futility. You can't get that data back under wraps. The only solution is to obfuscate your data with noise.
lemonySplit@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 307d
Plenty of FOSS weather apps out there that don't sell your data. I like Breezy Weather
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -20 pts · 307d
If you want the weather info sponsored by your taxes, use the browser.
If you want a convenient widget, someone needs to make it, and the developer who made that widget needs to eat too.
You can either buy an app or pay with your data.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 307d
No this implies you get a choice, which you don't. You can get it for free and sell your data, or you can pay for it...and still also sell your data. The real money is in the data, they won't give that up...ever.
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 307d
Can you use an open source weather app, or is the problem deeper than that?
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 307d
I'm not the person who posted the widget issue, but IME many FOSS solutions (not just weather-related) are more often than not aesthetically/UX crap.
dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 307d
Breezy Weather
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 307d
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 307d
you can deny location position to your weather app. show the weather for cities you are interested in. Get weather by notifications for "seemlessness"
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 307d
Yeah, I was just curious if the app could harvest it anyway via the SDK or something.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 307d
the weather app can't. Your cell provider can without any phone permissions. Google/Apple secretly could as well. These companies love your government more than they love you.
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 306d
They just love whoever pays the most. And they cheat on everyone while getting paychecks from all directions.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 307d
Many phones come with a weather app you can neither uninstall nor disable.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 307d
Yeah, that's true. Often people will take the money from users AND from selling data. But you can (usually) verify if that's the case by checking the app's permissions required.
The point stands, however: you either pay for the software with money, or with data - with the only exception being the unusually rare FOSS project here and there, which either lives in relative obscurity or grows to become large enough for the creators to either start requiring money, or just fold under the load...
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network · 19 pts · 307d
He can eat without selling people's data.
This isn't about putting food on the table and you're a dipshit if you believe otherwise.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -13 pts · 307d
Yes. By making your app paid, not free. 90% of Apple Store/Google Play store users don't want to pay for apps with their money.
You're childishly naive if you think it's malice 100% of the way top to bottom.
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 307d
No, by doing something else with his life because developing an app is not an all-encompassing behavior.
No, I'm just not a useful idiot going to bat for people making money off of me.
I, personally, have made significantly more complicated apps than what you're defending and I don't charge money for it or harvest my user's data. I'm also not alone.
If we can do it, why can't this scumbag? Oh yeah, because he has useful idiots like you going to bat for him.
Please, tell me more about how ignorant and innocent you are. It's cute and predictable.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -6 pts · 307d
Buddy, are you suggesting that software developers should "do something else to earn money"?
Are you high right now?
Go ahead. Quote the bit where anyone in this thread is batting for anybody.
I'm becoming fairly certain that you are high. What exactly am I defending....?
We can't have a discussion if you don't understand some simple facts of life. Such as: "people need to eat", or "eating costs money", or "not everybody has the privilege of being a software developer as a side-gig", or "not everybody wants or can be a farmer".
Get sober, then read what you wrote again.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 307d
Selling an app for a buck is profitable, if a good app.
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network · -4 pts · 307d
Yeah, morons like you will fight tooth and nail to avoid admitting you're being taken for a ride.
It's in your blood and I don't expect more.
Keep being stupid.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · -6 pts · 307d
You're desperately trying to spit on me, but forgetting we're both behind computer screens. Get sober. Don't spit on your computer.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 307d
If my taxes can pay to develop a website, they can pay to develop a widget.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 307d
Then talk to your government, get them to make the app, not just the website. Go you!
dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 307d
Breezy Weather
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 306d
Thank you! This was what I was hoping someone would suggest.
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 308d
This reminds me of something... What was it... Hmm...
tonytins@pawb.social · 26 pts · 308d
And that was before the NSA leaks.
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 308d
And in case it wasn't already clear enough how absurd this all is, the creeps at Palantir are now actually so brazen as to officially call one of their mass surveillance systems "Project Gotham"...brave new world.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 307d
I guess calling it "Project Barad Dur" was a bit too on the nose after they named themselves Palantir.
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 307d
Yes, maybe a bit much, but it would have been very fitting, since the marketing is obviously aimed specifically at the villains of the world—perhaps for the next project.
It's quite telling of the times we live in that you can make it so obvious these days. You'd think that at least some concealment of the intentions behind these mass surveillance products would be appropriate, but I guess with people like Trump in the White House, Putin in the Kremlin, Netanyahu in Israel, and many others of that caliber, it's no longer necessary.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 7 pts · 307d
They're openly mocking us being dumbfounded and complacent.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 307d
If the government had a right to that data they wouldn't need to pay for it, they could just subpoena it. But they don't, so instead they're paying middle men to circumvent our rights.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 306d
Yup. Look up tow truck companies, they track license plates with their readers and lease the data to police since police can't track without a warrant.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 307d
Trump’s executive order just made anyone who is critical of his administrations criminal conduct a terrorist by royal decree. We all should be armed and prepared to defend ourselves and our families against tyranny. They’re “disappearing” people without accountability. The pedo king literally declared war on citizens for not conforming to his dictatorship. The military was instructed to commit war crimes against American citizens yesterday. ie:raping and pillaging. Am I misreading the situation?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 307d
Nope.
He should be tried and executed for treason, but those in leadership positions in our country have betrayed their oaths. That means we all need to be armed to the fucking teeth as soon as possible.
portuga@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 307d
Is it me or are these ice goons getting fatter everyday? Are they eating the immigrants?
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 307d
Meal Team 6, Fatstapo, etc.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 307d
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 307d
Not just phone makers, but the telecom companies. Even if your phone shares no location data, it still checks in with a cell tower constantly. As you move around, so does your registration at a tower. It's accurate to about 2 miles. Match that with your known home address or work address and your location is easily guessed
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 307d
They don't need the cooperation of telecom providers. They receive the same signal you send to the cell tower. Even if the signal is encrypted so they can't see what you are sending, they can identify that you are sending.
With enough receivers listening, they can identify your location to a pretty high accuracy.
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 307d
Anything that polls location data can record it and sell it, probably more apps that sell it than don't.
jve@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 307d
Yup. There are dozens of these contractors in our modern surveillance state, and it’s all bought up en masse by the government (and others!) for all sorts of purposes.
Here’s a pretty good book on the subject
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/706321/means-of-control-by-byron-tau/
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 307d
Everyone knows Apple said they would never do that and that one time defied the FBI about it. Are you saying Tim Cook would just
lielet a false impression stand ?Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 307d
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 307d
Privacy policies are irrelevant here. They are picking up unique data as your phone communicates with a cell tower. You can do it with a $15 RTL-SDR receiver.
Get a hundred receivers and you can pinpoint anybody in a city.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 27 pts · 307d
So they will know where I have been? Even though I am not American... I remember when the British government demanded that Apple give them that kind of information on all iPhone users all over the world and Apple told them to go fuck themselves.
This is some real bullshit.
cyberwitch@reddthat.com · 18 pts · 307d
https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/01/uk-government-tries-again-to-access-encrypted-apple-customer-data-report/ they don't know when to quit
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 23 pts · 307d
Because they will never quit. Ever. We need to get lucky and stop them every time (and I feel powerless beyond signing some petition online and maybe making a donation), but they need to get lucky once.
And I cannot recall a single time that such laws were ever repealed. The patriot act has had some questionable efficacy and now ICE and the Trump administration want so many more additions that there is just no going back.
Even in Canada, which never had an issue with terrorism, has passed many laws heavily infringing on people's freedoms and are trying to pass the biggest one yet with Bill C-2, even though it actually weakens border protections and gives American companies far, far more ability to surveil Canadians than ever before. This is when violence and terror threats have been greatly diminishing for years (and not because of some BS laws).
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 306d
Because they are planning for if people rise up to fight back. It’s not about protecting you. It’s about protecting them.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 307d
Yeah, doing everything they can to make "land of the free" whiter.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 306d
Land of the melanin free
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 24 pts · 307d
They already have it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance
nucleative@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 308d
Looking forward to joining you guys in the upcoming rebellion.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 308d
But I am le tired
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 308d
Ok take a nap....
But then fire ze missiles!
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 307d
Ever wondered what it would have been like if the gestapo had real-time awareness of every citizen's location at all times? You're about to find out.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 307d
jve@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 307d
FTFY
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 307d
Exactly. 99.9999% of consumers don't give a fuck as long as they can still access Facebook and TikTok.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 307d
It will not hinder it either. People will give up many things before their smartphones.
southrydge@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 307d
I wish I could but feels like every job requires me to have some sort of app
meliaesc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 307d
I work in telecom, so no win there unless my family is ready to be homeless.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 306d
Are they paying for your phone? Are they giving a stipend for your service? Then tell them to fuck off and give you a yubikey.
southrydge@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 306d
In Colorado they are legally required to pay me a certain amount for my phone
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 306d
Just need to financially cripple investment into companies like this. Go out of your way to march with your wallet to get impacts into their profitability.
Anonymaus@feddit.org · 6 pts · 306d
But spying on former chancellor angela merkel is not? https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-german-chancellery-for-decades-wikileaks-idUSKCN0PI2AD/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 306d
Or maybe it’s all bad.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 306d
Most Americans I know were upset with both.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 307d
Next we'll be reading how android has removed the ability to disable location
Arondeus@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 308d
Hmm can't seem to load the archive site so haven't read the whole thing. Anyone know details of how this works? Are we all fucked if we have a phone or is staying off social media and hardening security with something like Graphene OS enough to keep you out of their system?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 308d
GrapheneOS already runs google play services in a sandbox that doesn't have core access to the device's functionality (you can lie about giving apps storage access or location data, for example), and because you already have alternatives to ad-based services (CoMaps, Thunderbird, etc...) you should be safe from telemetry often hidden inside of popular apps like Google Maps.
Nothing's bulletproof, of course, but the difference with GrapheneOS is that you can see what's going on, grant permissions selectively to certain apps, or opt out entirely by only installing F-droid apps or using Graphene's FOSS suite. You don't have pre-baked telemetry at all, so nothing for them to harvest.
Teal@piefed.zip · 14 pts · 307d
Some choices to help would be to avoid using precise location for weather apps. Course is usually very good unless you're a weather tracking hobbyist. If you're not using ad blocking it's never a bad time to start.
Ad blocking in browser is good but combined with a DNS service that offers block lists like Hagezi's options it's great. These lists can block a lot of tracking and telemetry data and not just the ads themselves. ControlD and NextDNS are two solid options. NextDNS doesn't offer Hagezi Threat Intelligence Feeds specifically but have their own proprietary version. The company claims it covers much of Hagezi's lists but I haven't compared.
ControlD has a 30 day free trial period with two plans either $20 or $40 per year. The $40 per year option has a future called Redirect. Their description "Spoof various web services, apps and platforms to geo-distributed proxy locations and appear to be in a different country".
NextDNS has a free plan that can be used on multiple devices. Paid is $20 per year for unlimited. The catch to the free plan is it's good for 300,000 queries per month. If you get close they email a warning and if you go over the service will still work as a DNS but without the blocking. It will automatically start again the next cycle.
Here's the Hagezi GitHub but other lists are good too like OISD and AdGuard lists.
https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists
I use Ultimate but that may be too restricted for some. It will break websites and apps like FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram. If you use those a slightly less strict list a better choice. You'll still get protection but there's a balance to everyone's needs so do read up on each list and what makes sense for you.
All that wrapped in a trusted VPN and you're doing pretty well. Nothing is perfect and if a government power wants to know where you are this isn't going to stop them. For me that's not what this is for. I use this stuff against the ads and tracking crap everywhere. I'm not trying to hide and can't really offer much regarding that.
I'm maybe a bit over the top compared to some. If this all sounds crazy a simple ad blocker (AdGuard, uBlock Origin) in browser and course location for weather and anything else location based that makes sense is a solid start. You can always whitelist websites you wish to support via ad revenue if that's an interest.
modus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 307d
Can I upload these lists to my PiHole?
Teal@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 307d
Yes they can be used with a PiHole. I don't use one so I can't offer much for set up. On the GitHub page each list version has various links depending on the format needed for where it will be used. For example, PiHole is under the Adblock format which works with (Pi-hole, AdGuard, AdGuard Home, eBlocker, uBlock Origin, Brave (only in aggressive mode), AdNauseam, Little Snitch Mini).
In my research about this stuff I saw many people talking about these lists for their own home DNS set up. Good luck!
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
Awesome. Thanks. PiHole lists are pretty simple. They're just plaintext.
FE80@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 306d
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/03/meet-rayhunter-new-open-source-tool-eff-detect-cellular-spying?language=en
Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social · 6 pts · 306d
Has anyone set one of these up? A friend of mine just found one in a box during their move, and asked if this project was still active.
FE80@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 306d
Install the android developer tools, or whatever it is that includes the adb utility. Download the software from the EFF & run the install script while your device is plugged in via usb.
https://github.com/EFForg/rayhunter/releases
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 306d
Please support 404media of you can. They have a free plan which helps or donate. As ypu can see, they do god's work since he's to lazy to do it.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 307d
Their job is to track, find, abduct, imprison and deport people. That skillset and logistic apparatus is as effective against everyone as it is immigrants.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 307d
The American Gestapo.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 307d
Time for meshtasctic? Or nothing. How about never using our phones again?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 306d
Definitely considering looking into portable Faraday cages...
Guess it doesn't really matter when the license plate on my car is tracked everywhere I go and all the big businesses use face identification the moment you walk into their stores, probably all run by the same vendor and packaged and sold to the highest bidder.
I hate this dystopia.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 306d
Take your phone, turn it off then leave it in a bus while its on. Find the bus later.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 306d
you're more likely to get it back if you leave it at the airport.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 306d
Meshtastic might not be the best tool for this. Reticulum is more versatile.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 306d
You don't want anything that pings a cellphone tower.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 305d
Reticulum doesn’t need a cellphone tower either.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 308d
I think we all need to spend time on the privacy and security channels here. There are ways to resolve this data leaking. Also simple settings on your devices
andallthat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
I track the location of hundreds maybe thousands of phones every day for minutes at the time. I see people using them while I commute. Where can I collect my fee from the US government for my services?
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 307d
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 305d
Of course the US Government is using Israeli Spyware to track American citizens.
KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 306d
Uh huh. And it will work as well as tariffs.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d
Wym? Stingray devices work and they're being actively utilized against the public.
yggstyle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d
Who needs a stingray when they built the backdoor right into the actual network.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 306d
Hide a bunch of burner phones in really shitty locations. Go on brownshirts, work for it.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 307d
And they say there's never any good news.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 307d
Good luck buying your spyware with a frozen budget
Railing5132@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 307d
Their budget, like the military, won't get frozen IIRC. Something about being in the Defense Authorization Act I think.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 307d
It's already paid up. They've basically got a piggy bank with 10 bil in it.
three@lemmy.zip · -155 pts · 308d
As someone with nothing to hide, I'm ok with this.
Edit: Bunch of perverts, sexual harassers, and scammers on lemmy huh? Only cements my stance on increased police presence....
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 75 pts · 308d
Cool, let me see all your usernames and passwords then.
YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz · 63 pts · 308d
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
[Cardinal Richelieu]
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 308d
Scrolling through your comment history I see at a glance you’ve deleted several of your own comments so you have at least something to hide
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 308d
Missing /s?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 308d
Take your clothes off then, and burn them, if you've 'got nothing to hide'. Let's see your address and ssn. Where do you work, and what position do you hold?
Oh, suddenly you have changed your stance on the matter... funny how that works.
Try searching for yourself and let the realization and dread set in that most of those hypothetical questions I just asked, I can find out, without needing to ask you directly - because you've given them away, while having 'nothing to hide'.
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 308d
Alright, then show me your text messages and location data over the past year. If you have nothing to hide then it should be no big deal, right?
three@lemmy.zip · -31 pts · 308d
Show me your badge; identify yourself as a law enforcement officer and we got a deal.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 308d
I don’t need to show you a badge. No one does. I can’t just go get your info from the data broker.
Perhaps you see the problem here…
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 308d
I believe there has been a case of this. I remember a person phished some service to give them access to a person's account or account data under the guise of "lives are on the line here". Might've also spoofed the email, but either way, he managed to get it
Edit: something like this
https://gizmodo.com/hackers-are-using-police-emails-to-send-tech-companies-fraudulent-data-requests-2000522134
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 308d
I'll do you one better. Murders have been committed using data purchased from brokers: https://www.wired.com/story/minnesota-lawmaker-shootings-people-search-data-brokers/
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 308d
That's even easier to do, yeah
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 307d
Once I looked celebrity’s well-known family member just to see how bad data brokers are. It game me her info and it had a relative section that listed all of the celebrity’s info too, including addresses and phone numbers. It was bonkers that it was so easy to find. Especially, since I didn’t pay for it. That was just 100% free searches on various data sites and google. Imagine what I could have done if I had paid for info.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 308d
:rofl: why would they? All that is already for sale, pally. Find a data broker, fork over twenty bucks, and all that info is fair game. Hell, fire up a TOR client, find a data breach that contains your device's MAC address or static IP, pay five or ten bucks, and same deal, but now I can drain your credit card.
Don't like it? Well the data comes from somewhere, unregulated floodgates of data collection to be bought, resold and scrutinized (or stolen). Nothing to hide, eh?
Railing5132@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 307d
Since due process is off the table, we've determined (without a trial) that you're not a citizen, and you're being deported to a country you've never been to, where they will imprison you at our request, and they don't speak any language you do.
Why? Because we're ICE. Fuck you.
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 307d
You are so naive it's almost impressive.
themurphy@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 307d
What's legal today might be illegal tomorrow. Short sighted comment.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 308d
vladmech@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 308d
Risky post of the day
Edit: why are you downvoting me? You may get a butthole pic from this! That feels risky haha
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 308d
Let me show you my budhole
It's a place where my buddies hang out!
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 308d
Please set up a live camera in your house for us to watch 👀
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 307d
Do you want to live in 1984? Because this is how we get to 1984.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 308d
Forgot the /s ?
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 308d
If I took this argument in good faith, also consider your behaviors can be used against you and your neighbor. I've heard people say TikTok knew they were bisexual before the user themself knew it. Massive amounts of data on human behavior can be used to sell you the newest phone or the newest infringement of your rights.
sadfitzy@ttrpg.network · 8 pts · 307d
dum-dum
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 308d
What's your bank account information? /$
webp@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 308d
Then why wear clothes?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 308d
Devil's Advocate: Because it's legally required.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 307d
In here it's mostly not, but it's currently +5 degrees celsius outside so I'm keeping my clothes. And whatever little is left of my privacy too, thank you.
Hominine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
Hey everyone, the name caller above is going to give the police state a big ol' bear hug after recess is over. Why has Lemmy forced their hand like this?!
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 306d
You’ve deleted a lot of comments for someone who doesn’t want to hide anything.