I think it's also for the opposite? I mean, the white face, rosy cheeks and red lips were popularized due to the romantization of tuberculosis. The guy on the left could literally have tuberculosis looking at his face.
The pants shirts an hoodies the ultra wealthy wear are also often obscenely overpriced versions of the normal clothes. Like Luis Vuitton's plain tshirt, with a same color embossed logo on the front, for 700$. Or this one by Prada for 2500$ (its casmere)
I think it's silly and wasteful, but I don't think it's difficult to understand. Modern aristocrats have so much money that the cost doesn't matter at all, and they probably get it for free in the hope that they'd be seen wearing it by all the wannabes who can afford it.
But even if they pay full price and pick it for some dumb reason like the color or because it's soft, with the average net worth growth these people see in a month or year, any time spent buying the thing would be far more valuable (or they would passively make far more money) than the cost of the shirt.
But silly things like transactions and opening packages of free overpriced fashion are for underlings to handle anyway.
If I could suit up like in games that actually have good clothing options and don't punish you for just getting every option I totally would, but for better or worse I settle for tattered hand me downs from my uncle that I have been wearing since I was 7 or so. And some hand me ups from my younger siblings that became bigger than me as a top up to the supply.
Or to put it another way, nothing has changed. The upper classes still dress like wankers who sniff their own farts, and the lower classes still dress with whatever they can afford that works for them.
I'm a cis male, and I'm not even thinking this is any form of gender bending. I'm wearing them because when I wear them, they are manly.
I'm not against blurring gender lines, it just not my style. I just hate that make fashion is basically funeralwear.
When I die I want everyone to attend in the most colorful and creative outfits, need to make a will to ask people wearing a traditional suit to fuck off.
I meant someone who'd be there in person for you and can do your makeup or teach you how. At the very least it wouldn't harm to do guy makeup like foundation or coverstick. Eye contouring and mascara can also be unisex depending on how it is used.
Also me being enby doesn't mean I don't use makeup. I actually wear eyeliner and mascara almost daily. Also I manage to pass as androgynous despite being 1,81m and semi-muscular. But there are ways to hide masculine features. Only people who will probably great difficulties are body builders or have the facial features of a gorilla or baboon.
But then again there is Azis who is a body builder, musician and absolutely gorgeous with makeup on.
The only thing separating you from crossdressing decently is shaving and wearing makeup right. And with the beer belly and broad shoulders just avoid tight clothing.
i also want to bring back balding friendly hair styles, which were popular across many cultures in the past, so much so that it was common for people to shave their heads to achieve it. look at traditional Japanese hair cuts, or European monks.
on paper they'll say there's a reason for that. but I'm being the style came first, then they justified it. because if they didn't like it in the first place, they wouldn't have done it and created reasons for them.
Rich guys wearing really dour clothes is actually a relatively recent phenomenon in history. Up to the French Revolution the aristocrats were peacocked up to the max; maybe it was fear of the guillotine that saw their successors going around in North Face jackets.
I do find it weird there's been this resurgence of fixation on superficial motifs being associated with masculinity, but the guys who parrot these views all have an appearance that screams, "I want to blend in and be invisible!"
that's a part of it, however during the Victorian time. it became fashionable for men to be stoic and boring. that's why a guy can wear the same outfit for a meeting, a wedding, and a funeral.
although wealth is a big factor. it isn't the whole story. a good suit can cost a lot and still be fashionably bankrupt.
And if you try to put some flare, they will question your sexuality and distupt the corporate dynamics.
US southern-prep khakis, blazer, shirt and tie, slightly longer hair is pretty much the exact look Brummely and his dandies created and socially enforced through mockery.
Some people claim that the underlying force granting Brummely the ability to do so had to do with the center of power shifting from traditional nobility to financiers.
The title is implicitly responding to someone who thinks, "fashion is an important part of masculinity, and it's immutable," but has nothing to say to someone who thinks, "fashion is an important part of masculinity and can change."
Tbh men like me are a step away from becoming cats and I would love to just be a cat. Every step we do that progresses men becoming cats is fine for me.
113 Comments
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social · 83 pts · 303d
Pretty sure only aristocrats dressed like that.
fartsparkles@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 302d
And wasn’t the makeup to hide chlamydia / syphilis etc?
hanrahan@piefed.social · 19 pts · 302d
Sure and perume was becase you didn't bathe ... And yet we still use both
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 302d
I think it's also for the opposite? I mean, the white face, rosy cheeks and red lips were popularized due to the romantization of tuberculosis. The guy on the left could literally have tuberculosis looking at his face.
One of the many sources: https://historycollection.com/tuberculosis-became-the-victorian-standard-of-beauty/
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 301d
Thanks for the lovely rabbit hole to fall into
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 302d
The powdered wig served the same purpose.
biggerBear@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 302d
Don't forget the wig for down under, the merkin!
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 302d
Fam be jerkin for that Merkin.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 302d
Like all things it started with them and then gained popularity through all social classes.
juliebean@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 302d
and then the french revolution happened...
dumbass@aussie.zone · 58 pts · 303d
There is absofukinglutely nothing stopping you from dressing like that, only yourself.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 31 pts · 303d
iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 302d
As the saying goes, "no gentleman was dressed without his sword"
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 302d
Unfortunately others have flintlocks
Konstant@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
Yeeeesshhhhhhh
dumbass@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 303d
They will fail to stop you.
individual@toast.ooo · 20 pts · 302d
MohamedMoney@feddit.org · 23 pts · 302d
Those are bourgeois categories
individual@toast.ooo · 1 pts · 302d
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 302d
Don’t let the prospect of beheading get on the way of your dreams!
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 43 pts · 302d
Mark Zuckerberg, who dresses pretty much like the guy on the right, then adds a watch worth $100k to indicate his status.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 302d
The pants shirts an hoodies the ultra wealthy wear are also often obscenely overpriced versions of the normal clothes. Like Luis Vuitton's plain tshirt, with a same color embossed logo on the front, for 700$. Or this one by Prada for 2500$ (its casmere)
dingus@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 302d
I legitimately do not understand
Zink@programming.dev · 2 pts · 302d
I think it's silly and wasteful, but I don't think it's difficult to understand. Modern aristocrats have so much money that the cost doesn't matter at all, and they probably get it for free in the hope that they'd be seen wearing it by all the wannabes who can afford it.
But even if they pay full price and pick it for some dumb reason like the color or because it's soft, with the average net worth growth these people see in a month or year, any time spent buying the thing would be far more valuable (or they would passively make far more money) than the cost of the shirt.
But silly things like transactions and opening packages of free overpriced fashion are for underlings to handle anyway.
HailSeitan@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 302d
Ah yes, the Great Male Renunciation of fashion
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 302d
Fashion??? In this economy?!
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 302d
If I could suit up like in games that actually have good clothing options and don't punish you for just getting every option I totally would, but for better or worse I settle for tattered hand me downs from my uncle that I have been wearing since I was 7 or so. And some hand me ups from my younger siblings that became bigger than me as a top up to the supply.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Idk what you're talking about, used clothing is both the most affordable and the gaudiest. I love it.
sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 302d
That's was really interesting
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Meanwhile, still waiting on 99% of men (or all humans, really) to start being useful.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 301d
I'll give you a full rebuttal as soon as I'm done reaching the top shelf and unscrewing the lid of the pickle jar.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 301d
Rich cunts then:
Rich cunts now:
Poor cunts then:
Poor cunts now:
Or to put it another way, nothing has changed. The upper classes still dress like wankers who sniff their own farts, and the lower classes still dress with whatever they can afford that works for them.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 302d
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 301d
Dude on the left pulls it off, dude on the right does not, imo.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 301d
Is it the wooden teeth?
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 301d
This is an absolutely hilarious episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Worth a watch! :D
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 301d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 301d
I'm more of a summer/spring in my color scheme
yakko@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 301d
Ladies, What's stopping you from dressing like this
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 301d
My penis would dangle out the bottom of the skirt.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 301d
Like a real Scotsman.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 301d
This is the way.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 301d
being a shower must suck
Emopunker@feddit.org · 2 pts · 300d
There are ways to tuck.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 299d
Sounds like work.
Emopunker@feddit.org · 1 pts · 299d
Not really. It's actually not that hard.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
I'm a bear built, and even though I just bought a skirt. I'll never look cute like that,
alternategait@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 301d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 301d
And you know what!
I'm a cis male, and I'm not even thinking this is any form of gender bending. I'm wearing them because when I wear them, they are manly.
I'm not against blurring gender lines, it just not my style. I just hate that make fashion is basically funeralwear.
When I die I want everyone to attend in the most colorful and creative outfits, need to make a will to ask people wearing a traditional suit to fuck off.
madjo@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 301d
That's my problem with male fashion too. It's all so bland and boring.
Women's fashion: colorful, cute looking.
Men's fashion: dark, drab, all the same.
Emopunker@feddit.org · 2 pts · 300d
Don't underestimate the power of makeup. Ask a female friend for help.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 300d
are you a female friend? because you might have just volunteered yourself.
Oh, just saw the enby pfp, so nope :(
Emopunker@feddit.org · 3 pts · 300d
I meant someone who'd be there in person for you and can do your makeup or teach you how. At the very least it wouldn't harm to do guy makeup like foundation or coverstick. Eye contouring and mascara can also be unisex depending on how it is used.
Also me being enby doesn't mean I don't use makeup. I actually wear eyeliner and mascara almost daily. Also I manage to pass as androgynous despite being 1,81m and semi-muscular. But there are ways to hide masculine features. Only people who will probably great difficulties are body builders or have the facial features of a gorilla or baboon.
But then again there is Azis who is a body builder, musician and absolutely gorgeous with makeup on.
gerryflap@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 301d
Having a career. At home though, nothing :3
madjo@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 301d
I don’t have breasts like that
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 301d
Not with that attitude!
Donaldist@feddit.org · 3 pts · 301d
gray@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 301d
Coward, do it anyways!
Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 301d
Be the cognitohazard you don't want others to be!
Emopunker@feddit.org · 1 pts · 300d
The only thing separating you from crossdressing decently is shaving and wearing makeup right. And with the beer belly and broad shoulders just avoid tight clothing.
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 301d
Bgugi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
Spaniard@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 302d
Noble vs peasant.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 302d
wasn't the make up meant to hide the lesions and wigs to hide the peeling scalp and hair loss?
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 301d
Those lesions and hair loss were usually caused by syphilis which was considered wildly scandalous at the time.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 302d
... maybe we should bring back pompous wigs.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
i also want to bring back balding friendly hair styles, which were popular across many cultures in the past, so much so that it was common for people to shave their heads to achieve it. look at traditional Japanese hair cuts, or European monks.
on paper they'll say there's a reason for that. but I'm being the style came first, then they justified it. because if they didn't like it in the first place, they wouldn't have done it and created reasons for them.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 301d
I hear the european monks did it specifically because it's ugly.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
yhea but that still doesn't explain the colourful detailed outfits.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 302d
Maybe we have grown out as a society of that childish one-upping each other with made up rules?
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 302d
Have you met society? Society is a petty bitch!
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 302d
Please tell me there’s a /s in there somewhere.
BC_viper@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 302d
Don't you ever insinuate i have boring socks ever again.
CaptKoala@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 302d
Some people do loud shirts, I do loud socks.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
how long does it take for your toenails to dig though them?
you might call that boring.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 302d
Who's got boring socks? Not me, sir. 😤
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
Socks with sandals
Oh no
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 301d
Rich guys wearing really dour clothes is actually a relatively recent phenomenon in history. Up to the French Revolution the aristocrats were peacocked up to the max; maybe it was fear of the guillotine that saw their successors going around in North Face jackets.
lb_o@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
It is still happening, just more metaphorically, so less people can catch it.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
Remember, the Roman's thought pants were for the effeminate easterners.
daggermoon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 303d
Try it, you get lots of shit. I'd know.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 302d
I do find it weird there's been this resurgence of fixation on superficial motifs being associated with masculinity, but the guys who parrot these views all have an appearance that screams, "I want to blend in and be invisible!"
Nothing masculine about tepid conformity.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
A yearning desire to be indistinguishable from one's peers and find acceptance in the tribe is peak toxic masculinity.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 301d
Fragilemasculinity.HowAbt2day@futurology.today · 9 pts · 302d
The “now” person is a peasant, not man. Put some eyeliner on, at least!
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 301d
I think they dropped a word there. I think "rich" was the word they dropped......
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
that's a part of it, however during the Victorian time. it became fashionable for men to be stoic and boring. that's why a guy can wear the same outfit for a meeting, a wedding, and a funeral.
although wealth is a big factor. it isn't the whole story. a good suit can cost a lot and still be fashionably bankrupt.
And if you try to put some flare, they will question your sexuality and distupt the corporate dynamics.
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
Tbf, that (dress dark and be boring) was probably due to all the opium/morphine they were on.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
we have better drugs now, why are we still dressing like we are opium addicts??
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 300d
Who knows, maybe someone will come up with herioin chique one day.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 301d
Look up "Beau Brummely" and "Great Renunciation".
US southern-prep khakis, blazer, shirt and tie, slightly longer hair is pretty much the exact look Brummely and his dandies created and socially enforced through mockery.
Some people claim that the underlying force granting Brummely the ability to do so had to do with the center of power shifting from traditional nobility to financiers.
FishFace@piefed.social · 6 pts · 302d
The title is implicitly responding to someone who thinks, "fashion is an important part of masculinity, and it's immutable," but has nothing to say to someone who thinks, "fashion is an important part of masculinity and can change."
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 302d
Oh look, a clown.
Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
That there is a dandy
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 302d
That's where you're wrong, I only wear the most clown ass socks under my jeans
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Literally I own only Scooby doo boot cut socks and tye-dyed ankle cut.
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 302d
Call me a sissy but t-shirt and cargo pants for life!
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 301d
Yep! Form follows function, hence, I need my pockets. XD
biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 303d
Tbh men like me are a step away from becoming cats and I would love to just be a cat. Every step we do that progresses men becoming cats is fine for me.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 4 pts · 303d
I don't want it to be like it is, but it do
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 301d
Ugh, and this indoor plumbing and daily hygiene is such a chore.
yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 302d
My socks are not boring, excuse me!
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 302d
Apology accepted
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 302d
You've obviously not been to a goth club recently ;)
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
See good buddy that's why you buy yourself thrift.
I wear suits that cost me 20 bucks that look better than what the president wears. Not that that's a high bar, but a worthy comparison.
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 301d
Well you're probably younger and more fit and wearing stuff that's five years out of date instead of thirty five.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 301d
Casually forgetting that they didn't shower back then.
This is a man vs bear scenario, repainted to make the modern man look like what feminazis view us as. Simple as.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 302d
Pantaloons with tights aren't completely dead, just shorts with long socks need to up their sock game
vane@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 303d
that's why women are attracted to men in uniforms
madjo@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 301d
I’m wearing awesome socks. Those are anything but boring!
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 302d
Ahaha! Well played.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 302d
frankly, im not sure what point this stupid meme is trying to make.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 302d
That enforcing gender norms is stupid.
Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 301d
Speak for yourself my guy liner and manscara is on point.
PicklesDillWithIt@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 1 pts · 301d
Wooden teeth, life's a beach.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
Also did you see King Louis XIV shoes? Dude was flair.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
Bring back snuff. It was 14th century Zyn.
Cort@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Nobody's stopping you. Just toss a couple Marlboros into a coffee grinder.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
I'm a woman who prefers the man on the right. Not the clown on the left. https://youtube.com/shorts/HvUietWN688