Fascist paramilitary crashed into a U.S. citizen on her way to work, then dragged her out and arrested her [10/10/2025, Chicago] (Article)

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Chicago woman dragged out of her car after colliding with ICE demands accountability

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dumbass@aussie.zone · 148 pts · 290d (11 replies)

Nazi America working hard on bringing the fourth Reich into reality.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 100 pts · 290d (5 replies)

The line I've seen repeatedly is that White America is getting to see how African Americans and Latino migrants have been living since The War On Crime started.

Every day, we get to see another Rodney King or George Floyd. Wave after wave of police acting with utter impunity, doing unspeakable violence, while liberal leadership throws up it's hands or turns a blind eye.

FFS, this was in Chicago. Blatantly illegal, breaking a couple dozen state laws. The mayor, the governor, the CPD, the local prosecutors and sheriffs... where the fuck are they?

faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 290d (3 replies)

It's honestly astounding, as somebody that lives on the left coast, how many arguments I've had with people up here about this.

I think that they know how BIPOC have been treated, and much like homelessness, they want to ignore it and pretend it can never happen to them. The lie that white privilege renders you unassailable, is going to get shattered. We'll see how many of them rise to the occasion and how many bend the knee.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 290d (2 replies)

The lie that white privilege renders you unassailable

It's not a lie. We're just constricting the definition of whiteness. White people remain privileged. I'm a white guy in Houston, where a ton of the shit is going down, and I've never felt "safer".

But folks who thought they were "white" enough in Pasadena are experiencing something very different.

We’ll see how many of them rise to the occasion and how many bend the knee.

Hard to rise to the occasion when there's a boot on your neck. And in a place like Texas, it's very hard to find someone to trust much less organize with.

I don't begrudge folks who bend the knee to save their skin. Not when the alternative is to simply get added to the line of crucifixions.

faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 290d

It’s not a lie. We’re just constricting the definition of whiteness.

The fact that the definition can constrict is what I'm talking about. It is a lie that white privilege renders you unassailable, because as we see, the system can decide you're not white after all and haul you off anyways.

My family is mixed race, so I'm very cognizant that my skin tone will not save me if they decide I'm guilty by association. I'm privileged because I'm white enough to pass, but that evaporates as soon as people run a background check and my other name comes up.

al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 290d

Bro it's gonna shatter. Lol

dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 290d

The mayor, the governor, the CPD, the local prosecutors and sheriffs… where the fuck are they?

All holed up in their offices and wishing like hell it'll be their turn to be able to do this sort of thing next.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 290d

That already happened. Stop pretending it’s in the future.

samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 290d (3 replies)

It's already here.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 290d (2 replies)

For real. Bringing? Brought.

Next step is finding out what these 4 guns per citizen is about.

anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 289d (1 reply)

At least 3 out of 4 of it’s on the Nazis side I fear.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 289d

They're about to be just as hungry

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 122 pts · 290d (39 replies)

What the actual fuck are they doing? They caused that accident. I hope this woman sues the living shit out of them.

zd9@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 290d (25 replies)

When this is all over, these fascist goons will face justice for their actions. There are accounts of every single action, and the next United States Justice Department will not handle it lightly.

We fucked up by not finishing off the Confederacy in Reconstruction, but in the wise words of the honorable George W. Bush: “There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me twi— you can't get fooled again.”

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 290d (15 replies)

G dubz deep cuts

zd9@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 290d (14 replies)

How we yearn for Georgy boy over the current POTUS.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 290d (13 replies)

Back in myyyyy dayyyy our installed republican president was a hapless moron directed to give gaffe-filled speeches every day while his vice president was evil incarnate and they both got super rich starting wars and committed war crimes which they got out of by wrecking the global economy and that’s the way we liked it!

anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 289d

Satire has since died, which I mourn.

Cheney also just died, which I don’t.

zd9@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 290d (11 replies)

As crazy as it is to say, Cheney > Trump. Both are absolute terrible pieces of shit, but at least Cheney respected the general societal rule of law and norms. He was just a greedy, power hungry tyrant, whereas Trump is also incredibly dumb, narcissistic, and cruel.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 290d

Well except for the war criminal part, and frankly not to get all into it but there’s some shady-as-fuck 9/11 shit he’s tied to that’s just. Trump is worse, yeah. We’ll leave it there.

Objection@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 289d (9 replies)

at least Cheney respected the general societal rule of law and norms

I am calm. I am balanced. I don't want to fire anyone on Lemmy out of a giant cannon into the sun. There are emotions in my heart after reading this sentence other than hatred and anger.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, NO HE FUCKING DIDN'T!

zd9@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 289d

Whoa Cheney is dead, neat.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 290d

If I were this optimistic, I'd be the happiest motherfucker on earth.

Unless we show up and start fucking these people up, we're just going to be commenting on these videos until that's illegal and we get scared of that too.

Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 14 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Funny that you think the brownshirts will face any consequences. You mention Bush ironically, but he's the living example: a war criminal who never faced any consequences from his actions.

zd9@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 290d

never faced any consequences from his actions.

excuse me, he was almost assaulted with a shoe at a press conference. If that's not consequences for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, I don't know what is

Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 289d

When this is all over, these fascist goons will face justice for their actions

I wish I shared your optimism of the future..

JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 289d (1 reply)

Didn't most Nazis also get off scot free or even get jobs in science or the government? Only 12 high profile ones didn't. Of the 100,000 arrested for US trials, 2500 were identified ad "major war criminals". 142 were convicted of a crime.

Not to mention US constant blocking of the prosecution of war criminals both within and outside.

Probably >99% of fascist goons will get off with zero consequences.

zd9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 288d

Yeah, but 2025 is not 1945. There's so much more technology that I think could enable tracking all of this.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 290d (2 replies)

I was wondering about this.

Suppose there was a fair election in 2 years (I know, I know) and suppose the dems won... would they dismantle ICE and prosecute these scum?

drhodl@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 289d

Not if they appoint Merrick Fucking Garland as AG,,,,,

Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 289d

Depends who wins the primaries.

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 43 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Americans can not sue federal "agents" according to US legal precedent and current interpretations of Section 1983

5 Words to Fix ICE [LegalEagle]

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Well, that needs to be amended. Yesterday.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 290d

It won't be. If anything they'll strip more rights away.

pupbiru@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 289d

there are at least a couple of democrats that do keep raising an amendment!

Wilco@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 290d

Looks like vehicular assault to me. Not an accident.

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 290d

crash. it's called a crash. there was nothing accidental about it.

minorkeys@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 290d

Whatever they want. This is what dictatorship looks like, zero accountability to the people. Y'all need to do something about it already or it will keep getting worse until nothing you do can stop it, even collectively. If you haven't even done as much as talk with a friend about the state of things, I don't want to hear, 'But what can I do!?'. Go find people to figure that out with.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -13 pts · 290d (5 replies)

Im not so sure they would be found "at fault" by an insurer if im honest.

The damage appears to be on the front of her car, but on the side of theirs.

An insurer would likely find that while the van obviously shouldn't have cut across, the hatchback is at fault.

On the first day with any instructor they will tell you to drive to the conditions. That means that if ICE is present, and kidnapping people, drive slowly enough that you can stop if they cut over into your lane.

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 290d (4 replies)

That kind of damage would only occur in two ways...either they sideswiped her while changing lanes (which is exactly what the video shows them doing)...or she drove into them at an angle (which is not what the video shows).

Whether or not it was intentional, they cut her off. All she did was drive straight, in her own lane.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 290d (3 replies)

I'm happy to concede that I'm wrong about this.

When I was learning to drive my dad told me that if you have an accident, the insurer will assign fault to whomever has damage to the front of their vehicle.

I've done some very brief research and determined that I've been completely wrong about this for the last 26 years. Thanks for that dad.

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 290d

Oh, man. I probably laughed a little too hard at this. Thanks for that, my friend. I'll take all the humor I can get these days.

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 289d (1 reply)

That is a general rule of thumb to go by, but it's just that.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 289d

I guess its relevant in the absence of additional information. However, if you have video, or witnesses, or accurate statements from those involved, those factors are more relevant.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 96 pts · 290d (9 replies)

@dbtng@eviltoast.org you previously asserted that the current regime is not fascist. Do you still stand by that statement?

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Damn, I love it. You called out 4-5 boot lickers in this thread alone!

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 290d (1 reply)

My list is longer but I got rate limited and I don’t wanna get banned for spam.

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 290d

still, impressive. good work.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Where are you even finding conservatives on Lemmy? All I see are center-right who were defending Biden funding ICE until November.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 290d (1 reply)

I use the tag feature of Voyager.

lena@gregtech.eu · 3 pts · 289d

I use the asshole tag for such people

dbtng@eviltoast.org · 1 pts · 286d

Point in fact, if the goal was calling out a conservative, this ayyyyy person has utterly failed.
My views are my own, but they are certainly not conservative.

dbtng@eviltoast.org · 1 pts · 286d

I think I probably tangled with you for some other reason, so I wound up on your shit list, and now you think you know me?

Or you didn't understand me. That's pretty common. You seem pretty driven by some ideological virus or another. That frequently leads to confusion. Moron.

I make jokes about bannnannnas and cat pics. You've got the wrong guy.

But I'm glad to know that I'm in your thoughts.

5in1k@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 288d

What a couple of clowns.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 96 pts · 290d (65 replies)

@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today you have previously stated that “the majority of [people arrested by ICE] do have a criminal history”. Do you still stand by that statement?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -65 pts · 290d (64 replies)

First of all, that was like, what? 2-3 months ago? Sorry, I haven't been keeping tabs on the situation since then but I'm definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.

Second, a single incident like this one doesn't skew the overall statistics much – as long as it remains isolated. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE. If the facts are correct and she is a U.S. citizen, I hope she sues for damages and wins. At the very least she should be compensated for the damage to her car, plus the emotional trauma, physical injuries (if there were any), and any time she may have missed at work.

ICE was clearly at fault here, and they should be held accountable for that. They are supposed to be working FOR U.S. citizens after all, not against them.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 290d (3 replies)

I haven’t been keeping tabs on the situation since then and I’m definitely not above changing my opinion if I see that the facts have changed.

The facts haven't changed since then. This isn't an isolated incident. This has been going on regularly across the country. This is what ICE's role under trump has been since day 1. This was happening 2-3 months ago. The only thing that changed is that they recently ramped up their budget.

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -15 pts · 289d (2 replies)

Brother, you live in a Lemmy group that is basically dedicated entirely to documenting every single fuckup of theirs. Even if there are many, do you know how many operations they’ve done that didn’t end up victimizing any innocent bystanders?

Because that’s the information I’d like to see if you want to convince me. What percentage of ICE ops fucks up this badly, and is it on the rise, or are we just seeing more fuckups because they are doing more ops?

Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 289d

I do want to also leave a comment that there is value in questioning narratives. Some people see a headline and believe it without question. I also use your same argument when my MAGA cousin throws a negative headline my way about immigrants, trans, or whatever the hot topic on Fox News is.

What I do to strengthen that argument is add other data and sources. Like, if it is about an immigrant committing a crime, I will include a study that shows immigrants are less likely to commit a crime, and actually more likely to be victim of a crime.

Idk, I just didn't want to only pile on a 'you're wrong' type of comment, but also encourage free thinking which is essentially the premise your comment is based on.

Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 289d

If you are looking for evidence that things like this are not just a series of individual bad actors, they also coordinated efforts to get into a helicopter, rappel down, and remove basically an entire apartment complex of citizens and alleged non-citizens alike from their homes out into the street. Some had to sit outside naked because they were not given time to put on clothing.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/10/7/chicago

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 290d (51 replies)

Thank you for your honest reply. If this was an isolated incident, why did the goons feel safe and justified immediately pointing live firearms at someone they already knew was innocent? And why did the people who hired them immediately double down with false statements about the incident that contradict reality? Perhaps the issue is systemic? Can you describe how the combination of the actions of these goons and their bosses later is “for US citizens” when there was literally no way for the goons to know the citizenship status of someone they just blatantly crashed their car into?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -37 pts · 290d (50 replies)

Can you describe how the combination of the actions of these goons and their bosses later is “for US citizens” when there was literally know way for the goons to know the citizenship status of someone they just blatantly crashed their car into?

Yeah, that's a good point. She probably didn't have her passport on her, that's likely why they took her into custody and then let her go after verifying her status. But like, this probably wouldn't have happened with the regular police, they would've just radioed in her DL# and had the station confirm her status without her even having to get out of her car (actually, most have a laptop in their car and can probably even do it right at the scene).

As for why they acted this way, I can only assume that it is because they are running on a LOT of adrenaline, since they often are doing high stakes operations, so perhaps their nerves just got the better of them. Still, they definitely how her restitution and an apology. But yeah, if this becomes the norm rather than the exception, something should definitely be done to reign them back in.

MumboJumbo@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 290d (16 replies)

She probably didn't have her passport on her

Wut? Most citizens don't carry their passports around in their home country.

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -42 pts · 290d (15 replies)

Yes, that's what I was saying (though I guess if you're Hispanic-looking and you live in a hot spot for ICE operations, it might be a pretty good idea to carry with you just in case).

habitualcynic@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 290d (9 replies)

Oh yes, land of the free! Carry your papers or else something bad might happen.

What if they declare your passport fake like real IDs?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -20 pts · 290d

Did you actually read the article?

Garcia said he was released from the vehicle where he was held after he gave the arresting officials his Social Security number, which showed he is a U.S. citizen.

Forget the passport. Apparently it’s that easy.

TwentySeven@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 290d (1 reply)

I am a US citizen, and I don't have a passport. I'm white, so I don't have anything to worry about. I have an adopted sister who is Hispanic though, and she doesn't have one either. I've been trying to convince her to get one and keep it on her person.

We live in a red state, so we're not an ICE hot spot like Chicago is. But they are still around. They are everywhere.

If she gets arrested and released, that would be bad. But how many people are being disappeared to foreign countries they aren't even from? That's my biggest fear

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 290d

Valid fear. Though, I suspect that if that is happening, it likely doesn't matter if she's legal or not. She's still brown. Which is clearly the criteria they're working with.

And just so we're clear, I'm NOT defending their actions. I'm just defining how they think. I happen to think how they think is disgusting.

kossa@feddit.org · 14 pts · 289d (1 reply)

Dude!

No, this is perfectly fine. But better carry a passport if you look a certain way.

Can you still feel yourself?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -9 pts · 289d

Forget the passport, that was a dumb idea. You can get a driver’s license with RealID (which is becoming the norm in most states anyhow), or if that doesn’t work, apparently giving them your SSN is enough for them to verify your citizenship status.

5in1k@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 288d

But we don’t live in fascism? You’re full of shit.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 290d

Hey, quick question, honest question. How heavy are those goalposts? I figure you'd be the one to ask since you have some experience in moving them.

Cethin@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 290d (1 reply)

They didn't take long enough to get any information from her. They surrounded her with weapons drawn, opened the door, and dragged her out. I didn't see them asking for ID. Also, nobody is expected to carry a passport. That insane.

You're trying to come up with excuses. I get it. It's hard to admit you were wrong. However, your previous opinions don't define you as a person. Dismissing them is fine. It only makes you stronger. A lot of people, especially now, attach who they are as a person to the opinions that they hold, and they feel attacked when asked to address it. You shouldn't feel this way though. That doesn't define you. You're allowed to, and should be expected to, learn and change as you gain new knowledge.

drhodl@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 289d

He's not changing his opinion. He's just doubling down with other, equally fucked, opinions.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 289d (24 replies)

since they often are doing high stakes operations,

I guess pulling petite unarmed women by the hair would constitute "high stakes operations" for cowards

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -11 pts · 289d (23 replies)

I’m assuming they were on their way somewhere else and the accident was a genuine mistake on their part (which they clearly handled very badly), mainly because they clearly seemed to be intent on just driving away until they noticed they were being filmed.

However, if you have any evidence that they were targeting her specifically, and they rammed her car on purpose in order to get her to stop, I’m all eyes and ears.

ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 289d (7 replies)

Doesn't that make it worse? They tried to hit and run, realised they were being filmed, and decided instead to violently detain someone for no apparent reason.

It's also taking a lot of supposition that they were on their way to catch 'bad guys' already pumped with adrenaline and making mistakes, rather than the simpler explanation that this is just how they operate.

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -7 pts · 289d

Just a minute ago, you were trying to convince me that violently pulling her out of the car was the worst thing they did, now we’re back to the hit-and-run, which we already discussed at the beginning of the thread. We’re kinda going in circles, aren’t we?

And no, I’m not trying to excuse that either. They should have enough professionalism to admit when they fucked up, and be required to pay some sort of restitution so she can fix her car and pay for her medical bills.

However, there might be more to the story that we don’t really know about, due to the lack of evidence about what happened right before the crash. At the bottom of the article, it states that ICE additionally accused her of having used her car to block their agents from getting through. While we can clearly see that the allegations that she rammed them on purpose are false, there is not enough evidence here to verify or dismiss that claim, but even interfering with them passively is something they are allowed to detain people for, if only temporarily.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 289d

you only assume all of that because you want to justify these cowards

I guess according to you, they had a traffic aCciDEnt and then proceeded to beat and kidnap the woman they just rammed into… and thenelied about it to claim she tried to run them over?… and this is acceptable to you?

kindly go fuck yourself

drhodl@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 289d (9 replies)

A person who apologizes for nazi's, is a nazi, too! Hey, nazi?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -5 pts · 289d

Yes, sure, let’s just skip all the arguments and go straight to name calling.

What are you, five years old?

5in1k@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 288d (1 reply)

Man you’re an excuse generator. Should learn how to monetize it.

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 288d

Thanks, do you have any suggestions on how? Management or politics, perhaps?

pupbiru@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 289d (1 reply)

if it’s a “genuine mistake” while on their way somewhere else then the narrative is this: they saw a latino driving and decided to pull her over by smashing into her car, getting out in full combat gear and masks, pointing automatic weapons at her, dragging her out of the car by her hair, kneeling on her back, and forming an armed blockade between her and the public

there’s no genuine mistake here that doesn’t paint them as racially profiling her

even if she were an undocumented armed gang member this is not the way law enforcement should behave

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 288d

I agree, but what if there's more to the story we don't know about. The article says ICE also claimed she was using her car to block them from getting through, which which would be illegal, and if that is true, she kinda got off easy because they didn't even charge her with anything.

However, this is not up to me to decide. This should go before a proper court of law. I am not qualified for this.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 290d (4 replies)

Is this also protecting US citizens? https://lemmy.world/post/38281052

habitualcynic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 290d

I’d wager they think yes because “muh gunz”

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 289d (2 replies)

His lawyers claim he was shot from behind while trying to leave; federal officials say he reversed his car toward officers in a threatening manner.

Are we really just going trust his lawyer on this one, without any fucking evidence whatsoever?

liuther9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d (1 reply)

Dude are you trying to beat the record of the most downvoted person on lemmy?

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 288d

Bro I'm not even subscribed to this community. I was pinged here because y'all needed someone to make an example of.

pika@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 289d (2 replies)

How would you know if people being detained have committed a crime when ICE and the government are not allowing those people due process? What happened to being 'presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?'

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -17 pts · 289d (1 reply)

Because ICE still have to verify their identify before being allowed to continue processing them. Every report I’ve read so far, even the worst ones, stated that detainees were released as soon as they could establish legal immigration status.

Remember, their only job is to enforce immigration law, nothing else. As for the immigrants who ARE criminals, we know that because they have prior convictions which WERE tried in a court of law.

InputZero@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 289d

...you know that's not what's happening right? ICE doesn't have to verify anything before they process and deport someone. They've gone so far as to say that an ICE agents opinion on a person's citizenship outweighs any proof to the contrary. Including a birth certificate.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Fun fact: you can't sue CBP or ICE for civil rights violations. Federal law enforcement is immune from suit. The federal law established to let people sue individual state actors for civil rights violation in a federal court doesn't include federal actors.

42 USC §1983:

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress...

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 288d

Yeah, okay, that's definitely bullshit. Every government official, no matter what position, is there by the will of the people, and they should never forget that. Which means there should always be a way to hold them accountable.

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 289d

Yes, clearly you have not been keeping tabs if you suggest it's an isolated incident. Spoiler: It's fucking not. And how the fuck have you not been paying attention?

InputZero@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 289d (1 reply)

You know that she can't sue ICE, no one can. The Supreme Court isn't even entertaining the idea of hearing if ICE is litigatable. Making them above the law. Literally the way things are the words of ICE, DHS, or BPS are taken as fact by courts without any investigation into the most outrageous of their claims. They've taken natural born citizens and disappeared them. You should really be paying attention.

MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 288d

Yeah, I'm definitely not cool with that. No one should be above the law. Everyone should have to face accountability at some point.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 96 pts · 290d (1 reply)

@Letsdothisok@lemmy.world about a year ago, you claimed that comparing the current US dictatorship to the Nazi regime was a “ridiculous comparison”. Do you still stand by that, or do you finally see the parallels?

YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 289d

I am so here for this!

Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 93 pts · 290d (2 replies)

The Department of Homeland Security later released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers.”

Figueroa was released the same day a few hours later without charges.

Get this evidence in front of Judge Ellis and start them contempt hearings.

Tire@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 289d (1 reply)

They weren’t even looking for her? They just smashed into a random car then kidnapped the driver?

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 83 pts · 290d (3 replies)

@DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world you have previously defended ICE as just arresting the illegals. How do you explain this?

ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 290d

You beautiful bastard. Keep up the good work.

Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 17 pts · 290d

my man

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 289d

@DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world I know you saw this. How do you explain ICE clearly assaulting people who aren’t immigrants?

CaptDust@sh.itjust.works · 75 pts · 290d (2 replies)

"The Department of Homeland Security released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers."

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 93 pts · 290d

Remember, when a car suddenly cuts into your lane and hits your car, then several masked men pointing guns and wearing camouflage pour out, and then they violently drag you out of the car on to the floor and pin you down. Your duty is to say "Thank you for your service, please tread on me."

If you don't, the terrorists win.

cabbage@piefed.social · 41 pts · 290d

injuring two officers

No joke. That kick at 1:01 launched that nazi with such force it blew his face mask right off his nose, as he realized making eye contact with the camera three seconds later. I'm surprised he survived to see another day.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 72 pts · 290d (1 reply)

@Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com you have previously stated that ICE agents are “just like you and I” and that they will “actually save the country”. Do you still stand by that statement?

drhodl@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 289d

Rekorse sounds like a cunt, if he's like ICE agents !

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 72 pts · 290d (1 reply)

@OceanSoap@lemmy.ml you have previously stated that it is completely OK for ICE agents to hide their identities. Do you still stand by that statement?

fritobugger2017@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 290d

Big props to you and your excellent work here!

fox2263@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 290d (3 replies)

The aggression is insane. Not even talking at the car.

The regular police would have a conversation and at least an argument before raising guns, and it would be a last resort of dragging someone out the car to the ground.

Evotech@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Yeah. Would've thought they are in an active warzone

Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 34 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Active class warfare zone

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 289d

the libs didn't really care when it was only the black 'class' did they?

pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 290d (10 replies)

If you see this and can say that any part of this video is ok…. You can go fuck yourself.

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 290d (8 replies)

I like the part of the video where multiple concerned members of the community are yelling at the fascists while recording.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d (6 replies)

How is EVERYBODY but me able to hear audio? Every lemmy video is muted for me, and the option to unmute is greyed out....

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 290d

The icon itself is grey, but it should be clickable.

Or it's an issue / setting with your client.

lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 289d (4 replies)

Which client do you use?

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d (3 replies)

Samsung internet

lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 289d (2 replies)

I meant Lemmy client, or do you just access it via the official lemmy.world interface?

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d

‘Samsung Internet’ is a browser, so apparently they's using the site.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d

I just use a browser.

pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 290d

Definitely one of the positives, but it shouldn’t even be happening. This video shouldn’t exist.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d

The part I think is ok are the people you see recording the videos. I see at least 2 in this video, plus the perspective we're watching from makes 3.

We need to all publically record, and distribute every time this happens. We need the knowledge that IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING to be undeniable. I know people who think ICE would never do anything wrong. I think everyone here, and everyone who records this knows that ICE is just modern day american S.S.

I'm truely ashamed to be an american right now. But if I ever see this happening? I'm INSTANTLY recording. And I'll post it EVERYWHERE.

ElJefe@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Fuck these cowardly pricks. 🖕FUCK ICE🖕

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 290d (1 reply)

With a cactus dildo

dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 288d

On the end of an air chisel.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 290d

Death awaits them all when the fascist regime inevitably collapses.

survirtual@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 290d (10 replies)

Download Signal Private Messenger.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/signal-private-messenger/id874139669

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcrime.securesms

https://signal.org/android/apk/

Create local groups.

Organize there.

Migrate any sensitive discussion to Signal. If possible, migrate all messaging to encrypted traffic. By using encrypted traffic you safeguard encrypted tactical exchange via obfuscation. A drop in an ocean is less identifiable than a drop in a pond.

Always turn on disappearing messages. Have a backup mechanism for when they take down Signal, as it is inevitable.

You've been invaded. Act accordingly.

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 14 pts · 289d

Signal is a good start.

I recommend simplex chat

It is a tiny bit more complicated to set up and it's not syched on a centralized server or use any personally tracable identifier.

lena@gregtech.eu · 5 pts · 289d (6 replies)

I prefer Matrix, harder to shut down and decentralized.

Though signal is still great!

survirtual@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 289d (5 replies)

Matrix has optional encryption and is difficult for non-tech savvy users to setup.

That puts them at the mercy of tech users, and without mandatory encryption it makes people much more vulnerable.

That said, I use Matrix myself, mainly to use WhatsApp without using WhatsApp. I also built a translation plugin to use an LLM for translating to any language in a natural tone, with audio voice transcriptions and auto-translations of my voice messages to the target language.

So I like Matrix but still would recommend Signal.

lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 289d (3 replies)

Encryption is enabled by default in most sane clients for DMs. Groups are not by default because encryption in huge groups is slow.

And if you use a public server it's not that hard to set up.

survirtual@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 289d (2 replies)

It is for people outside of tech circles. Just having to locate an instance is a massive amount of friction. But you need to locate an instance and a client, and there are a lot of configurable options and things that can go wrong.

Signal is turn-key, easier than Whatsapp friction wise, encryption by default, open source, non-profit, and secure. I don't like that their messaging platform isn't more open and that they don't have mitigation against, say, AWS going offline, but at the moment, they are the only app I have successfully migrated "normal" people to.

I think in the future, fediverse-esque tech will reduce their friction. Instead of managing instances, data is user-sovereign, instances never see non-encrypted user data, users automatically move between them, you don't sign up you have generated signing keys that are opaque to users unless they want to see them (tech people), etc. Fediverse can actually be LESS friction than current social media people use, but that hasn't been implemented yet.

lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 288d (1 reply)

That's fair.

For communications with my friends and family I set Matrix (with element) up for them and it works perfectly, though I can see why using signal is simpler.

survirtual@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 288d

Your method is good, but it also makes them dependent on you for messaging.

What happens if something happens to you? What if you get bored? What if you don't have time to maintain it?

It is actually a big responsibility, and most people aren't lucky enough to have someone like you in their lives.

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 288d

I tried to pitch Matrix as a Slack alternative for my makerspace. We setup a trial server and ran into various technical issues. As you say, non-tech savvy users were going to have a hard time. It was enough that people didn't want to make the switch.

My hope is that it gets better, and when Slack eventually stabs us in the back (which of course they will), Matrix will be sitting there in a better position.

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survirtual@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d

It could be a technical reason relating to Signal.

I wish I had a better answer than Signal for messaging, but it is the best we have right now. Most people who are security or tech familiar are very disconnected from what ordinary people can use or are willing to learn to use.

We need tech that has sensible defaults, low user complexity, and minimal new user friction. Right now, that's Signal.

Most tech I make these days doesn't even require an email. I generate keypairs behind the scenes instead and use QR codes to manage identity. After accessing the service, I then can escalate with unobtrusive notices (Provide your email to recover your account, etc). This auto-account pattern eliminates entry friction.

Of course, you need bot mitigation so a privilege escalation can be used as a user progressively explores more capabilities. The technical of this is a bit involved but the end-user experience is very low friction.

This gets a user invested (they can see content and actually interact with it), which then gives them a reason to progressively use more features.

Just theoretical right now but we'll see if it works for layman users. If someday people use it over Signal, then I'll know.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 289d (1 reply)

are you "there yet" America?

YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 289d

We are definitely something again.

jtj4135@lemmy.zip · 33 pts · 289d

American here. Our mainstream news outlets barely covers these ICE raids. We're in a full blown dictatorship. Now even Reddit is perma banning anyone who suggests that the 2nd amendment was created for situations like this.

varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 32 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Well done, Americans to let this Fascist become president and turn your country into an active warzone for anyone not fitting the white meter.

MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 289d
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RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 290d (2 replies)

I hope these traitors are found and stuffed into 55gal drums of acid.

I don't even think these fucks are at all redeemable now.

AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 290d (1 reply)

We could always team up and do it ourselves?

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 289d

no, bcs you're all pussies that talk always the talk but never walk the walk.
An embarrassing display of weak cowards for the world to enjoy.
And boy, do I enjoy!

zbyte64@awful.systems · 30 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Seriously dangerous to drive with ICE in the road

voodooattack@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 290d (2 replies)

I don’t think salt would help in this case

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 290d (1 reply)

ICE? Salt?
Are we making margaritas?

regedit@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 289d

Just IL winter weather talk. Sand helps also!

ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 290d (5 replies)

Is there any place videos like this, and incidents like this are being archive for future legal follow up that anyone is aware of?

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 25 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Not sure. I'm putting everything on my Mastodon for now till I find a good place to put them.

Although I'm missing things for sure.

HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 290d

You're doing the lords work.

ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 289d

Great collection. I'll keep my eye out for a repository these are being collected. At this rate, I hope the videos will be held in a neutral jurisdiction.

ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 289d (1 reply)

You are looking for a historical archive.
Hopefully we are able to keep better quality, detailed accounts than I see of pre-WW2 Germany.

I neither have the military power nor the drive to do anything more than that and all I can do is feel powerless at the moment.

ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 289d

WW2 is a great historical point to keep in mind as they did bring many to justice years later.

I agree that hope we can do a better job tracking then they can. I was thinking more of being able to identify and charge them later though. Masks only do so much as there's other identifying characteristics. I'm guessing with time we'll be able to figure out who's who and who did what.

This is the other side of this tracking. https://icelist.is/

baggins@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 290d (8 replies)

Time to start shooting Nazis folks.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 290d (6 replies)

I get the enthusiasm, and that is absolutely the first instinct. But that also is exactly what ICE wants. That gives them grounds for escalation.

As bad as this video is, AND IT IS BAD, this woman was set free a few hours later. She's alive, and still free.

If everyone starts shooting ICE, they won't attempt to capture their subject. They'll just engage every encounter guns blazing.

I'm not saying that ICE has never shot a target. I am saying I've never seen nor heard of ICE begining the encounter straight away by shooting. I don't believe that is the norm for them, and I do think they'd love to jump out of their vehicle shooting. They would love to litter the streets in blood and corpses.

Until we actually officially start the second civil war, it's best not to escalate. Just film them. Distribute the videos. Expose their identities. Expose their crimes to the world.

But don't give them a reason to defend using murder as a first response.

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 290d (3 replies)

They can escalate with or without that tho.
They have escalated without that.

After their escalation folk can either do nothing/comply, peacefully protest, or riot.

Same with martial law. They can declare it if the riots are happening or not.
I don't think you can rely on 'what are they supposed to do & how they are supposed to do it' if they aren't & never have followed that logic/values.

ICE will escalate things when they are ready (they are still recruiting), regardless of that the folk is doing.

The USA is also testing the chain of command in military too.

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d (2 replies)

I don't think directly engaging them as they're active with full gear and automatic weapons is necessarily the best strategy.

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 289d (1 reply)

I'm not saying that either, it's that if one side has the strategy to escalate and the ability to control the narrative it doesn't affect much if the other side (just living there) escalates or not. It effects their immediate lives ofc, just not the overall peace of things.

RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 289d

I do think less direct methods would be effective though. They go after people living their daily lives with their guard down. That might be something to think about.

BiggestPiggest@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 290d

I reluctantly agree

baggins@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 290d

Ice has already been shooting people I read two articles in the last week where they shot innocent US citizens. They just assaulted, threatened to murder then kidnapped this woman. I was under the impression that the second amendment was the USA's whole thing. Does waiting until they send the tanks out makes any sense?

JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 290d
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OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 290d (4 replies)

As tragic and horrible as this is, those guys look like 12 years olds playing cops and robbers. Their body language screams amateur.

I hope life fucks them hard and fast in the ass. Evil pricks.

stickly@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 290d

It takes 4 full grown man-children (in full military surplus kit) with 6 guns between them to kidnap one ~130lb woman. And at a snails pace too. They have to realize how fucking stupid they look...

themaninblack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Exactly. No tactics or discipline. They look like they have no training. Muzzle sweeps, high tension and adrenaline.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 290d

Do you think the discipline and training will improve in time?

I mean its possible to be disciplined, well trained asshole surely.

mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 289d

I was thinking that too. The way the guy stands in front of the car with his legs spread wide like that, clearly an imitation of something he's seen in movies or video games before. Fascinating how even these realities are now just reflections of our media

myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 288d (2 replies)

So. When they ram your car and jump out with guns. Without ID’ing themselves. Is running them over in self defense allowed?

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 288d (1 reply)

Legally or morally?

myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 288d

Legally. Already know the answer to the other one.

shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Fascists should all see what Piazzale Loreto looks like upside down

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d

Luis Carrero Blanco, the first Spanish Astronaut.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 290d

Greasetapo

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 290d

Who is the person in black, with a mask, and vest, getting the close up photos / video at about 1:20?

Eddbopkins@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 289d (1 reply)

that makes me feel really unsafe for myself and every US citizen if that can happen under a mask and a gun. i see proud boy nazis rounding up everyday colored citizens.

musubibreakfast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 288d

I feel you, I left the US shortly after Trump was elected. I'm happy being in Europe until he's gone but my heart goes out to everyone who doesn't have that luxury.

VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Another hardened criminal I see ! /s

JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 290d

She used stamps to buy snacks, it's unforgivable. /s

ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Why is ICE using expensive Jeep Wagoneers to crash into people?

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 19 pts · 290d

Why are these "agents" walking out of their car with their guns drawn?

mean_bean279@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 290d

Well it’s a Stelantis product, so the MSRP might look expensive, but they’ll give you 20k off if you just say “maybe I’ll look elsewhere.”

Also, given its reliability… putting it down in an accident so quickly is for the best.

Also fuck these SS soldiers.

zd9@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Absolutely disgraceful. The regime's FA period is coming to and end, and the FO is quickly approaching.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Actually i feel more like the American populace FA period has come to an and and the FO period has arrived.

This video demonstrates my point.

zd9@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Yeah it's going to get worse for sure, as in violence, but I see the internal cracks in the MAGA base, and the general populace is getting pissed off enough to wake up and do something.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 290d

I've lost all faith that the populace will ever wake up, per se.

LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 289d (2 replies)

This should be actionable.

Seems like it’s not, though. Seems like fascism is just routine now in the US.

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 289d (1 reply)

Americans can not sue federal "agents" according to US legal precedent and current interpretations of Section 1983

5 Words to Fix ICE [LegalEagle]

LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 289d
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MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 289d
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jcs@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 289d (2 replies)

Dear DHS,

These are just cowards with guns. Do better. Become an agency with dignity, honor, and basic human decency.

With all the respect you deserve,
An ex-DOD civilian

pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 288d (1 reply)

Ex-DOW civilian

jcs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 288d

It was the DOD long after I left, so however you want to interpret that. :)

Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 289d
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ShamanRonin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 288d

I think I have noticed a lot of the SS Nazi thugs are rolling up in Jeep Waggoneers. Is this a thing?

NGC2346@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 289d

Very sad that the US has become this. Distressing to see, to say the least.

klemptor@startrek.website · 7 pts · 290d

These fucking pieces of shit are a disgrace. Name and shame and make their lives unlivable.

theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 289d

Elect people who make it their platform to resist this. Sweep aside any feckless moderate who doesn't make it a central plank of their platform.

CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 7 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Not trying to be hyperbolic here but at what point is lethal self-defense acceptable?

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 290d (1 reply)

Acceptable by the state of public opinion or by the state invading our cities and taking our rights away?

CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 290d

Let me clarify. At what point would The People defend such action rather than shun it

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 290d

How many armed thugs do you think this chick could've taken out?

DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 288d (1 reply)

Since when does news get geo-blocked? The article linked and the entire website give me a "This content is not available in your region". Is this expected from Chicago Tribune?

SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 288d

It's blocked in the EU, most likely because they don't want to comply with GDPR.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d

At 1:05, am I seeing this right? Does the one on the right tickle her foot for a second? It's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but, what part of their training says to pin women down and tickle their feet? What part of border patrol handbook says that???

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 2 pts · 290d
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libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 288d

Cut their tires!

tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 1 pts · 289d

If they get sued they will claim it was a proper pit maneuver 🙄

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 289d

haha stupid shithole

tdawg@lemmy.world · -43 pts · 290d (7 replies)

Don't help just film

tastetheplague@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 290d

The filming helps. The fuck would you do if you were there, Rambo?

zd9@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 290d (3 replies)

What would you have done? By filming and posting it, they've mobilized millions of people, whereas helping would just get them both arrested.

rami@ani.social · 7 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Not to mention as we've seen with the Charlie Kirk bs they'll use any violence whatsoever as justification for further escalation.

zd9@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 290d

They are already going to be violent, they will just use whatever the latest pushback is as their reasoning. There's no good faith argument or reasoning there anyway, it's all a pure power grab. Even MAGA thinks this ICE gestapo force is going too far.

BakerBagel@midwest.social · 6 pts · 290d

getting into fire fights with US citizens might be the only way to get this to actually end. Local officials will have no choice but to start taking direct action, and ICE will not want to start kidnapping random people if they think they will get shot at. Other than that, I don't know what you think escalation would actually look like

sefra1@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 290d

Dude, the pigs are carrying military weapons, the person who filmed is very brave just for standing there at all, even more filming. I sure wouldn't. At any moment that tiny nazi brain decides to start firing and it's the end of our hero.

samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 290d

These are federal agents, immune from any and all consequences by our deeply corrupt government. Recording their incredibly illegal deeds is about the best you can do at this point.