Post title at limit, but meant to be peak tactile feedback in computer storage.
The space saved from being thin made it bad for looking up and finding a specific disk within a stack, tho, as it couldn't fit an end label
Post title at limit, but meant to be peak tactile feedback in computer storage.
The space saved from being thin made it bad for looking up and finding a specific disk within a stack, tho, as it couldn't fit an end label
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teft@piefed.social · 91 pts · 237d
"didn't take too much space"
Someone never installed an operating system from floppies. Win98 was 38 floppies. Heaven help you if you didn't notice you only have 37 disks until halfway through the install.
A media format with 1.44mb per disk is not conducive to space saving even back in the day.
masterspace@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 237d
They're talking about the tactility of the format, not the actual data limits on it.
You could build SSDs today with the exact same tactility of floppy disks but with terabytes of storage.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 235d
You better patent this.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 24 pts · 237d
To be fair, by 1998 something as big as win98 wasn't supposed to be shipped in floppies. Then again, win95 was available as 27 disks
grue@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 237d
Windows 95 on CD-ROM included three music videos, presumably to show off the capabilities of the format.
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 237d
I remember my copy had Buddy Holly by Weezer, and I think something called Good Times. What was the third?
teft@piefed.social · 7 pts · 237d
The third was the trailer to Rob Roy.
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 237d
I still occasionally use floppies and I can assure you that they do in fact occupy more space than I'd like.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 237d
That's just 37 floppy disks of bloat. All you really need is 1.44 MB.
YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 237d
Those distros even have a GUI? Amiga Workbench on 720k all the way! 😁
froh42@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 237d
Ok, you forgot the Kickstart boot disk loading the Kernel before. But yes, the Amiga was amazingly resource efficient.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 236d
I learned a lot about the Amiga reading Ars Technica's history of the Amiga series. Such a shame that that computer never reached Brazil
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 235d
Don't fret. Only snobby kids whos parents bought it for them had them. Because they wanted to one-up you. And they didn't even appreciate it. Like I did my C128D that had a built-in floppy drive.
Fuck you, Csabika.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 2 pts · 236d
I see it and rise it to Atari ST TOS (256 KiB), GEM included.
YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d
Yep, an Atari ST man myself, but I had the STFM and then the STE, so TOS was in ROM. Wonderful machines. Still going to this day.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 1 pts · 236d
But it could be copied on a 720 KiB floppy with space left after writing.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 236d
Here's one with a gui lol
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 236d
Awesome 🤩
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 236d
Or you could try KolibriOS or MenuetOS, both have images that allow you to install the OS from a single 1.44MB floppy
masterspace@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 237d
https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/1q14kyj/playing_with_a_retro_floppy_disk_box/
ICastFist@programming.dev · 5 pts · 236d
Never saw one of those before, that looks super neat
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 236d
They were super expensive, as storage solutions went.
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 38 pts · 237d
And a satisfying but not too jarring "thunk" when they seat in correctly. Plus, the activity light let you know it was safe/not safe to hit the eject button.
TedZanzibar@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 237d
Remember how sometimes you'd put the disk in and you could hear the floppy part spinning for a fraction of a second to line up with, I guess the motor head, before it fully clunked in? That shit was peak.
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 7 pts · 237d
Brrr-click!
Yep lol.
And you could tell by the sound if your read/write operation was going to fail for whatever reason.
TedZanzibar@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 237d
(A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail?
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 5 pts · 237d
R-R-R-R-R-(sigh)-A
I don't even remember what (F)ail did
TedZanzibar@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 237d
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Didn't Abort just cancel trying to read that sector, while Fail would cancel the entire operation?
Nope, I looked it up. Abort would completely abort the whole thing, while Fail was supposed to return an error code to the program so that it could decide what to do next. Like Ignore but less crashy.
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 2 pts · 237d
Thanks for that. All I could remember was that pressing F just meant that I had to press A anyway so I just pressed A.
waggz@programming.dev · 26 pts · 237d
3.5 disks were my fidget spinners before the term existed. pulling back the slide and letting it snap shut kept my idle brain occupied for hours while waiting for stuff on the computer to happen.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 236d
Flashbacks of flipping around a 5¼" floppy disks that were actually floppy and manually spinning the cassette tape wheels while something is loading.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 236d
I have loaded punch cards and punch tape also. The only thing I haven't loaded is those big open platters. I've used 5 1/4" floppies as late as 2017 with an old Apple Lisa and CMM.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 237d
OP they really were. Back in the day when I was a sysadmin I would keep a bunch of tools on a floppy that I would carry around as I did user support.
It was like carrying around a toolbox to work on things.
autriyo@feddit.org · 5 pts · 237d
I still do that but with a usb drive, which is way more capable especially with ventoy on it.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 236d
Diggit!
I don’t do sysadmin work anymore, but near the end of my time doing that the network capabilities were much ore stable than what I worked on in the early 2000s so I put them on a share.
miked@piefed.social · 2 pts · 237d
Lol. I did the same.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 237d
Growing up, my dad used to download a lot of games off BBSes for me and my brother. He would save them on 3.5 floppies and then label what game was on each one. I've got fond memories of flipping through his box of floppies seeing what new games he had for us to play.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 236d
We didn't stack them though. We kept them in those boxes with a pointless lock, and flipped through them.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 235d
The good old days. I wish I still had mine but alas my old floppy box died in a fire.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 235d
Ah just like flipping through records at a record store.
Damage@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 235d
Mine lived in the original cardboard boxes
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 235d
Look at Mr Moneybags over here, playing his games without hand written labels and cracktros.
Damage@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 235d
Who said that? I meant the boxes that held the original empty floppies
Baggie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 235d
God that sounds nice actually, I miss it terribly
froh42@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 237d
Not all drives had buttons. There were workstations (Sun Sparcs) which had. motorized eject mechanisms.
Used 10 of these workstations to copy my freshly downloaded Slackware Linux to the stack of 60 floppies it took. (Twice, so I wrote 120 disks, as at least one of the disks would have read errors on average). Each time one of the Sparcs was done, it did spit out the disk and I'd insert a new one, labeling the old one with what was written on screen.
Ah the hours I spent downloading and installing 100-200 Megabytes of operating systems.
Labeling the disks would just be a sequence number, I'd label the disk boxes with the content.
Late 90s memories....
At home, I'd install the os by inserting each of these disks into my PC with16MBytes of RAM.
All that took about a day of work.
You kids don't know how good you have it, we had to fetch out Xfree86 mode lines in a wooden bucket from outside in the snow, barefoot.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 236d
They still have a button. It's just hidden and difficult to use.
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d
The MacIntosh did not have an eject button famously.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 19 pts · 237d
The 3.5” disk was designed as a consumer product by Sony, whose industrial design is second to none. (Compare the 5¼ “ and 8” floppies, which were designed by IBM engineers and only intended for use by technical specialists.)
duncan_bayne@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 236d
... was second to none. Looking at almost illegible black text labels on a black Sony TV enclosure.
d00ery@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
It's easy to read as long as you have 20/20 vision and are under 25 years old.😂🤓
mech@feddit.org · 17 pts · 236d
I wish they'd make SSDs in a similar format with plug-and-play functionality.
Stick your disk in and boot from it. Remove after shutdown and take it with you.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 236d
That’s called a thumb drive and you can do it as long as the computer you are using has the option to boot from USB enabled in BIOS (typically personal machines come with that enabled but machines out in the public often disable it specifically because they don’t want you booting a different OS)
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 236d
But if it were an NVMe slot... That'd be juicy.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 235d
You can get near that level of performance with a small thunderbolt drive.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 236d
... you can totally do that now?
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 236d
Although possible, it’s not really optimal to run an OS via USB
skrlet13@feddit.cl · 1 pts · 232d
But if you get a really lightweight one it still can be better than those times... There were much less storage, RAM, CPU, etc. back then and still worked. Maybe not Windows, but there are more OSes
FreeDOS if you wanna go real retro.
Jolteon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 235d
sheridan@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 237d
For similar reasons, I feel like Gameboy Advanced cartridges were the optimal size for handheld consoles. Switch cartridges are so tiny and fragile.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 237d
SD cards are perfect size. Micro SD feel fragile.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 237d
Agree. Too bad my computers' built in SD readers never worked, so I have to use a USB stick with SD slot instead
Windex007@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 237d
If you don't feel like you need to move your feet when you accidentally drop it (to avoid a toe smack) , it's too small.
BlackVenom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 237d
MemoryStick Pro Duo was far worse. Sony, SanDisk, or PNY... Brand didn't matter.. they'd just split open over time. Thankfully Micro SD to MSPD cards came about.
OfficeMonkey@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 237d
Switch cartridges also taste terrible, so simultaneously you need to put them somewhere to be sure you don't lose them while switching cases AND you don't want to make the mistake of finding out the hard way because you needed your hands free.
TedZanzibar@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 237d
They taste that way on purpose to stop little kids from putting them in their mouths and potentially choking.
OfficeMonkey@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 236d
Oh, I know. I'm not a little kid but I probably shouldn't put them in my mouth. Honestly, I'd be more worried about my dog.
shyguyblue@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 237d
This and CD caddys. Nothing like spending a full minute swapping out the cd in the caddy, then getting that satisfying chunk when the mechanics kick in.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 237d
I never liked cd caddies. The push button, wait for motor to eject, then push button, wait for motor to load was dissociative.
The floppy drive was a direct mechanical link between the button and eject.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 8 pts · 237d
The labeling was a good thing, and stackability, but otherwise I prefer USB sticks. Tactile, easy to stick in or pull out. Esp. since even an old one replaces thousands of disks. 1GB==711floppies
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 237d
I kind of wish that something along the lines of the old PCMCIA format had survived. Flat, stackable, big enough for easy labelling, and these days could easily fit many terabytes of flash storage.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 237d
SATA SSDs, if only there were floppy-like docks in PCs' front panels for them. I see adding one usb-c female adapter as a part of the protective case, and adding a male one on the opposite end of the dock could've been the way, since modern USB ports have sufficient power and data capabilities. Adapter's firmware could've signaled it's nothing more than a big USB thumb drive, it can also be (made?) compatible with portable devices e.g. digital cameras, phones, etc to make it more useful.
autriyo@feddit.org · 2 pts · 237d
I remember 2,5" hot-swap bays being a thing some years ago, surely some cases still come with them. Although for the average user that setup is pretty overkill, and pcmcia cards were smaller, kinda figures that it hasn't gotten mass adoption.
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 237d
I have a desktop hard-drive dock and keep most of my games installed on cheap SSDs. Feels like starting an n64 when I use steam.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 237d
A future that never was.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 4 pts · 237d
In regards to tactile feedback, I still prefer diskettes, the larger size makes them easier to grip and pull/push. USB sticks are great for storage nowadays, but pulling one out with one hand can be a small hassle sometimes
myrmidex@belgae.social · 3 pts · 237d
I've never had an issue knowing which side was up on a floppy though. Once USB-C sticks become prevalent (in my collection), that annoyance will finally be lifted!
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 2 pts · 237d
Fair enough, that often makes me swear.
worhui@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 236d
Zip disks at least the 100’s had the same tactile qualities, little door to fidget and label space all while having that satisfying clicking sound each time you used them.
natecox@programming.dev · 8 pts · 237d
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 237d
Btw, how much data fits a 5.25 magnetic disk when using modern tech?
Edit: I did the math. With the same storage density as modern LTO-10 tapes, a 5.25" disk could hold around 31GB, while a 3.5" one could hold around 15GB.
CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 237d
underisk@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 237d
Doesn’t compare to the satisfying click of playing with the forbidden spring loaded metal door.
night_petal@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 237d
They had better than that with a lever you turn into place. You got both a spring loaded click and turning a lever.
underisk@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 237d
im sorry but that lever did not have a sharp resonating tremor that reverberated into my soul so it is, regretfully, inferior
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 237d
[wobble noises intensify]
GEEXiES@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 236d
Not that I don't agree but... I'd take Mini Disc over them. Really similar but smaller -but not to the point of losing tactility or nice labels- and I love the eject mechanism of some players/recorders. Amazing mix of cassette tapes (usability) and CDs (capacity, non-linearity...), kinda late to the party.
UMDs are cool too, thought not as much IMHO.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 237d
Certainly better than the 5 1/4" floppies they replaced.
But, installing big programs, like Photoshop, off a stack of 30 or 40 disks was a hassle. Imagine Photoshop fitting in 40 MB, tho.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 6 pts · 237d
Duke Nukem 3D Demo.
62 floppy disks.
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 237d
Didn't take much space, lol I remember the huge cases people used to buy to store them all.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 237d
I liked the sound they made. People have been using them to make music for ages. Best is still imperial march played on 48 floppy drives (or thereabouts).
froh42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 237d
The Floppotron
Since 2022 it is Floppotron 3.0 playing on 4 flatbed scanners, some hard drives and 512 floppy drives.
https://youtu.be/kCCXRerqaJI
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 237d
Haha holy shit it evolved!
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 236d
Still remember my friend making a copy of doom 2 for me using pkzip... I think it took about 10 disks.
Damage@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 235d
Phil Katz, what a sad story
d00ery@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 235d
Interesting story with a sad and premature end. I'd not heard of the guy before today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Katz
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 236d
NES roms were the way to go. You could pack the emulator + a couple of games in a single 1.44MB floppy no problem.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 236d
That would've been great. I don't think I was aware of emulators until well after I'd stopped using floppies though. Looks like the first widespread emulator was iNES in 96 and then Nesticle in 97, though apparently someone made a very early Famicom one in 1990!
https://www.retroreversing.com/nes-emulation
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 237d
sad minidisk noises
plyth@feddit.org · 4 pts · 236d
I hear you
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 236d
5 1/4"'s smell better.
Chadsalot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 236d
And then the button jams 😞
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 237d
MicroSD cards fit these requirements too
colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 237d
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 237d
You can label them with smol labels, that's what I do with all of mine! They're full of movies, books, and video game installs.
Michal@programming.dev · 7 pts · 237d
No, but SD/MMC do. Micro SD are so small they're awkward to carry and store.
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 237d
I disagree, MicroSD is my external storage of choice. Their size makes them ideal to carry and store but you might need to rethink how you go about doing it.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 236d
In a tactile sense, MicroSD are worse in every sense. I have a case to store some of mine, which I have to open gently unless I want half of them to pop out and fall on the floor. A different storage, which I 3D printed, fixes that problem but has another, which is picking up a single one and not 3 at a time, since they're kept in a line with roughly 2mm of space between them
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 236d
Kinda sounds like you are blaming the case at least in part. Why not switch to a better case?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 236d
But many 3.5" disks had end labels that you could read in a stack
nocteb@feddit.org · 2 pts · 236d
Aganim@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d
Less if you were sensible and included an error correction scheme to combat the unreadable sectors that were bound to pop up after a while. I can be quite nostalgic, but if there is one thing I don't miss it's the 'reliability' of floppies.
remon@ani.social · 2 pts · 236d
CDs (and derivatives) have all of these features as well and orders of magnitude more capacity.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 236d
Nope. You have to put them in a caddy to turn them into a satisfying fidget widget. And no one does that.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 235d
I had a cool little leather wallet that held 2 3.5" disks. Felt like a pro every time i flipped it open.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 237d
I fail to see how this is better than CDs or DVDs. They had the same advantages you mention here. You can label them. They're super thin and easily stacked, especially with a spindle. They also easily inserted and removed from the drive at the press of a button. All that, and with a way higher storage capacity.
The only advantave a 3.5 floppy had over them was being able to lock the disk from being written to with the little switch on the diskette but also still write to it if you ever needed. With CD/DVD, you needed special disks that could be written to once, or even more special disks to be able to re-write to them. And I do believe they had a limited number of re-writes you could even make.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 237d
squares > circles
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 236d
3.5's hard plastic immediately makes it "feel" better to handle, as it also protects the actual disk inside. Putting in and removing a 3.5 from a computer was also faster than the later disks. If you think about it, CD/DVD's jewel cases were the equivalent of the floppy's casing
Windex007@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 237d
The fact that 3.5" floppies were self-sealing to make handling irrelevant (put your greasy fingers on any surface you fucking want) is another obvious advantage.
There are more. Before putting something on blast, really run it through forwards and backwards. You might be surprised at how many pros/cons fall out of a genuine consideration.
Sorry for the wording of my original post... it WAS needlessly adversarial.
akacastor@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 237d
What an unnecessarily adversarial, and rude, reply. Maybe consider for more than 0.2 seconds if being an asshole is necessary.
Windex007@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 237d
You're right. I edited my post to make the words more accurately capture my intention. Thanks for the vibe check. I was out of line.
headset@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 235d
Oh look! Another nostalgia bullshit from someone who clearly never used a fucking floppy disk.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 5 pts · 235d
Why so mad bro