"When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning"
Well, that's an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any "due process" occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.
The ruling in Harlow v Fitzgerald was actually illegal according to the full text of the law as written and passed. SCOTUS was given an illegally amended copy of the law.
no that can't be true, obviously a just and honorable institution like the supreme court would have caught a mistake in the time since and corrected it. are you trying to besmirch the supreme court's honor? you know theyre the SUPREME court, right? how dare you
They're not completely immune. If the action is egregious enough or unpopular enough with the public (which seems to be what they're complaining about), police can be convicted of crimes. Derek Chauvin, for example.
Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.
Yeah, I feel like that's a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?
In the "we're going to investigate ourselves" phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.
When its public enough and visible enough that it can't be avoided, sure.
And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren't as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.
The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.
There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:
'Citizens are afforded.... ' categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.
Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.
Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)
Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.
I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.
there are no innocent cops. the problem with cops isn't that they wear masks, it's that they wanna ban everyone else from doing the same. same with gun ownership, they want to maintain the monopoly on violence so we can't defend ourselves
In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.
The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police folks apparently are blind or totally corrupt because the videos show one of their own executing a citizen in broad daylight with many witnesses present. Their response is to lie like criminals.
They will be judged to be on the wrong side of history.
I miss the days when people admitted wrongdoing occasionally. What we have now is denial of obvious facts caught on video and millions of liars contradicting said facts and they will continue to lie about them, in perpetuity.
Same. There was something in the news recently where Marjorie Taylor Green mentioned her MAGA training “to never apologize and to never admit when you’re wrong”.
I left like the media just kind of glossed over the fact that this is actual MAGA politician training. I always assumed this was their unofficial playbook, but that was the first I've ever heard of an actual training being mentioned.
So yeah, I suppose it makes sense why we never see the common sense "whoops, my bad" apology from them nowadays.
Doesn't surprise me. The MAGA public didn't even need the training. They were mostly already there and then just kinda picked it up naturally when they saw it modelled. Feels like they'd always wanted permission to never apologize and then they got it.
Normally a group of people perverting the course of justice by covering up each other's crimes is called a criminal conspiracy. As an aside, what about female cops? Do they have their own gender-segregated old girls club or do they need a male 'sponsor' to get the same ass-coverage?
They exist to enrich themselves, have a powertrip as a day job, gain a higher effective class of citizenship, and to protect the property rights of the oligarchs.
Anything else they ever do is basically an accident, an incidental, occasional side effect stemming from the particular manner in which they carry out their actual purposes for existing.
I do love how these kinds of memorandums do absolutely nothing to address how everyone else feels. The complete and total "our side of the story and counterpoints are just invalid" rhetoric speaks entire libraries about values, priorities, and why things aren't going so great. Meanwhile the FOP is using this tragedy to grandstand and speak about how they feel attacked by everyone not wearing a badge, even though they weren't invited to this party. I want to say it's in poor taste, but that doesn't quite capture just how ugly a thing this is to do.
When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bites.
Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.
Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?
An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.
Cops are on the side of the cops. Don’t be fooled by copaganda where local police are pushing against the feds or the DoJ put a local police department under a consent decree. We need to be pushing to abolish the police and let these violent assholes try to get away with their bullshit when they don’t have their gang with them.
Gotta say, first time I've seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.
Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you stand by the likely guilty and defend their actions. Either you wait for proof - demanding due process - or you stay silent.
I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it's legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.
And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.
Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like "stop resisting." Hmm.
the "court of public opinion" doesn't fucking exist. we shouldn't ignore the fact that this rhetoric is word for word what rapists say to paint themselves as the victim when their real victims inform anyone they've been raped.
civilians don't have any powers to arrest cops, even if they persecution fetish their way into thinking they do. they frame the public hate of cops as an act of violence because every accusation is an admission with fascists. this should be treated as hate speech because they're implying that the freedom of speech of abolitionists should be abolished to soothe their feewees and make their klannish actions as cops go away from public view
Pig bitch cowards whining that ICE fascists and Cops are publicly condemned for their wrongdoing while ignoring the fact that they're being condemned for sending people not convicted, or even accused, of a crime to prison camps and summarily executing people on the street. It's the sort of tone deaf pig shit that would get a writer laughed out of the room for being a hack.
The Fraternal Order of Police can fuck all the way off. Jackbooted fascists to the last. Bitching about being convicted "In the court of public opinion" while they literally murder people in cold blood and face zero real consequences just belies how fucking braindead their kind really are.
"The hateful and anti-law enforcement rhetoric by ...... Have made their jobs.... more dangerous and difficult"
Uh, not at all it's statements like these ones which take the side of people who are illegally kidnapping people on the streets with no due process that make it more dangerous since people get more fed up by the fact the people who are supposed to protect them are trying to murder them and lie about it.
Let me get this right. They are claiming ICE with a straight face!?
This has got to be a joke, who in their right mind would try to cover for ICE. This police union owes them nothing and if anything ICE is making policing more dangerous by allowing poorly trained officers to damage law enforcement reputation.
Then shoot them. That's the honest to God solution right now. Our structures need to be violently torn down and rebuilt from scratch. When the government fears us, there will be liberty and justice again, and not a moment sooner.
The more we normalize stochastic force against the police, the more likely it is to happen.
People advocate all the time for people to do violence they do not personally participate in, calling for arrests, invasions, all sorts of stuff. Why is this different?
Oh but I am willing to take the same risk, I'm just not willing to do it alone. So I'm manufacturing consent so we're all on the same page. You can't expect a fire to spring up by itself, it takes fuel, a spark, and the right environment.
Though I do wonder, would your sentiment be the same if it was your family being shot like Mrs. Good? Would it still be the same if it was your children and SO being thrown into a concentration camp to be killed or trafficked to parts unknown?
117 Comments
OR3X@lemmy.world · 240 pts · 207d
The lady they shot sure didn't get any of that due process. Hypocrites.
zeppo@lemmy.world · 206 pts · 207d
Well, that's an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any "due process" occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 113 pts · 207d
also, cops are immune to prosecution, so the court of public opinion is like, all they have
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 207d
The ruling in Harlow v Fitzgerald was actually illegal according to the full text of the law as written and passed. SCOTUS was given an illegally amended copy of the law.
http://web.archive.org/web/20230520080201/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
Qualified Immunity is illegal.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 8 pts · 207d
no that can't be true, obviously a just and honorable institution like the supreme court would have caught a mistake in the time since and corrected it. are you trying to besmirch the supreme court's honor? you know theyre the SUPREME court, right? how dare you
Archer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 206d
Sorry Sque
zeppo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 207d
They're not completely immune. If the action is egregious enough or unpopular enough with the public (which seems to be what they're complaining about), police can be convicted of crimes. Derek Chauvin, for example.
cucumberbob@programming.dev · 2 pts · 206d
It took me way too long to realise it’s the immunity that’s qualified, not the officer.
duckCityComplex@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 207d
Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.
egrets@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 207d
Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 207d
Yeah, I feel like that's a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?
brunchyvirus@fedia.io · 5 pts · 207d
Sounds about right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror
Mist101@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 207d
zeppo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 207d
In the "we're going to investigate ourselves" phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 207d
When its public enough and visible enough that it can't be avoided, sure.
And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren't as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.
The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 207d
I’m curious about the due process of getting shot in the face…
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 206d
If you live there you’ll find out first hand soon enough, I guess.
But yeah it’s a valid question.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 207d
There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:
'Citizens are afforded.... ' categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.
Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.
Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)
zeppo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 206d
Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.
I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 207d
But people say mean things about them online :(
kandoh@reddthat.com · 73 pts · 207d
"Doing their jobs"
What does that job involve? Murder, surveillance, imprisonment, harassment of the community?
Yeah jeez wonder why it's such an issue
blarth@thelemmy.club · 24 pts · 207d
Maybe their job is morally repugnant and shouldn’t exist. How about that?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 64 pts · 207d
Innocent people don't have to hide behind masks you stupid motherfuckers.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 207d
Luigi did and he's innocent
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 207d
Luigi was just going about his life. Not engaging in law enforcement. Maybe I should have said "Innocent cops"
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 207d
there are no innocent cops. the problem with cops isn't that they wear masks, it's that they wanna ban everyone else from doing the same. same with gun ownership, they want to maintain the monopoly on violence so we can't defend ourselves
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 207d
In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf · 19 pts · 207d
Lol, my first thought was, "no one has said shit about cops on this until you opened your mouth and picked a side."
rayyy@piefed.social · 57 pts · 207d
The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police folks apparently are blind or totally corrupt because the videos show one of their own executing a citizen in broad daylight with many witnesses present. Their response is to lie like criminals.
They will be judged to be on the wrong side of history.
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 207d
you can't call cops corrupt, that would imply that the system is broken. they're doing the job the police was always created to do, white supremacy
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 207d
I miss the days when people admitted wrongdoing occasionally. What we have now is denial of obvious facts caught on video and millions of liars contradicting said facts and they will continue to lie about them, in perpetuity.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 207d
Same. There was something in the news recently where Marjorie Taylor Green mentioned her MAGA training “to never apologize and to never admit when you’re wrong”.
I left like the media just kind of glossed over the fact that this is actual MAGA politician training. I always assumed this was their unofficial playbook, but that was the first I've ever heard of an actual training being mentioned.
So yeah, I suppose it makes sense why we never see the common sense "whoops, my bad" apology from them nowadays.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 207d
Doesn't surprise me. The MAGA public didn't even need the training. They were mostly already there and then just kinda picked it up naturally when they saw it modelled. Feels like they'd always wanted permission to never apologize and then they got it.
Hux@lemmy.ml · 45 pts · 207d
Jeeze, when I watched the video it never occurred to me that the murderer and all his accomplices were the victims.
Thanks, FOP, my eyes are opened! Could you please send me any boots you need licked?
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk · 40 pts · 207d
Normally a group of people perverting the course of justice by covering up each other's crimes is called a criminal conspiracy. As an aside, what about female cops? Do they have their own gender-segregated old girls club or do they need a male 'sponsor' to get the same ass-coverage?
nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 38 pts · 207d
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 34 pts · 207d
funny how the idea of felony murder is turned upside down when the police do it
Maeve@kbin.earth · 34 pts · 207d
ACAB
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 206d
disregardable@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 207d
I think not murdering people would make your jobs less difficult and dangerous.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 207d
As has been said before, and will be said again:
Fuck The Police.
They exist to enrich themselves, have a powertrip as a day job, gain a higher effective class of citizenship, and to protect the property rights of the oligarchs.
Anything else they ever do is basically an accident, an incidental, occasional side effect stemming from the particular manner in which they carry out their actual purposes for existing.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 207d
I do love how these kinds of memorandums do absolutely nothing to address how everyone else feels. The complete and total "our side of the story and counterpoints are just invalid" rhetoric speaks entire libraries about values, priorities, and why things aren't going so great. Meanwhile the FOP is using this tragedy to grandstand and speak about how they feel attacked by everyone not wearing a badge, even though they weren't invited to this party. I want to say it's in poor taste, but that doesn't quite capture just how ugly a thing this is to do.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 206d
I don't "presume innocence" when I see someone shooting someone else in the face. Kind of stupid.
It doesn't matter if a judge and jury says so or disagrees, he still shot her in the face while in absolutely no danger.
He's guilty, independent of any court ruling, it's not debatable.
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
The fake cop/murdeter gets innocence presumed, but not the innocent woman he executed? Every cop should get what they deserve.
HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth · 22 pts · 207d
In other news criminal gang stand with criminal gang
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 206d
What kind of cringe ass fucking name is that?
ACAB
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 206d
The blue circlejerk was already taken, I suspect.
Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
Sometimes I hate where my mind goes.
The thin bluekkake.
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 206d
It's the standard naming convention for all US police unions.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 207d
Yet when immigrants are accused of being illegal they do not get the presumption of innocence. Fucking hypocrites the lot of them.
cadekat@pawb.social · 19 pts · 207d
Fops, the lot of them
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 207d
Wow. That’s some heavy DARVO right there.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 16 pts · 207d
the fuck is a Fraternal Order of Police?
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 207d
A union for union busters.
massacre@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 207d
A union for union busting class traitors which advocates for complete immunity for it's members.
sulgoth@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 207d
Has cop cult vibes.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 2 pts · 207d
freemasonish
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 206d
Oink oink is all I see here
mp3@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 206d
Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.
Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?
An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 6 pts · 205d
You are asking fascist paramilitary goons to be the bigger person. It's not gonna work.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 207d
Cops are on the side of the cops. Don’t be fooled by copaganda where local police are pushing against the feds or the DoJ put a local police department under a consent decree. We need to be pushing to abolish the police and let these violent assholes try to get away with their bullshit when they don’t have their gang with them.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 205d
Gotta say, first time I've seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.
Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.
bluGill@fedia.io · 15 pts · 207d
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you stand by the likely guilty and defend their actions. Either you wait for proof - demanding due process - or you stay silent.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 207d
Sure, but you can't expect cops to understand that
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 207d
Remember that time protestors burned the 3rd precinct in Minneapolis? That was fucking rad.
demonmariner@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 206d
Where did this come from? I'd like to see the original and it's not on their website.
MountainVeil@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 206d
I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it's legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.
And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.
modus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 207d
Goosestepping in solidarity.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 207d
He deserves the exact same due process that Renee received.
NorthoftheBorder@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 205d
Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like "stop resisting." Hmm.
Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 206d
ACAB
amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 207d
the "court of public opinion" doesn't fucking exist. we shouldn't ignore the fact that this rhetoric is word for word what rapists say to paint themselves as the victim when their real victims inform anyone they've been raped. civilians don't have any powers to arrest cops, even if they persecution fetish their way into thinking they do. they frame the public hate of cops as an act of violence because every accusation is an admission with fascists. this should be treated as hate speech because they're implying that the freedom of speech of abolitionists should be abolished to soothe their feewees and make their klannish actions as cops go away from public view
wavebeam@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 207d
fort_burp@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 206d
Jesus Christ whenever I read something about the Americans I can't help but remember most of them can barely read, not least armed ICE thugs.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 207d
Of course, they are all the governments hired thugs after all.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 206d
If they were doing their jobs, and their jobs are "shoot people in face", then that's a job that shouldn't exist
Red_October@piefed.world · 9 pts · 207d
Pig bitch cowards whining that ICE fascists and Cops are publicly condemned for their wrongdoing while ignoring the fact that they're being condemned for sending people not convicted, or even accused, of a crime to prison camps and summarily executing people on the street. It's the sort of tone deaf pig shit that would get a writer laughed out of the room for being a hack.
The Fraternal Order of Police can fuck all the way off. Jackbooted fascists to the last. Bitching about being convicted "In the court of public opinion" while they literally murder people in cold blood and face zero real consequences just belies how fucking braindead their kind really are.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 207d
Shit is mad tone deaf and hypocritical. Like they're not even sure what situation went down but they need to look tough.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 206d
"The hateful and anti-law enforcement rhetoric by ...... Have made their jobs.... more dangerous and difficult"
Uh, not at all it's statements like these ones which take the side of people who are illegally kidnapping people on the streets with no due process that make it more dangerous since people get more fed up by the fact the people who are supposed to protect them are trying to murder them and lie about it.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 206d
Did this shitty letter come from the GOP HQ in fucking Moscow? If not, the Fraternal Order of Police is fucked in the head.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 5 pts · 205d
They aren't Russian, nor are they "fucked in the head", they're fascists, doing fascist stuff. ACAB.
Smeagol666@crazypeople.online · 8 pts · 205d
Pigs gonna fucking "oink".
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 206d
Let me get this right. They are claiming ICE with a straight face!?
This has got to be a joke, who in their right mind would try to cover for ICE. This police union owes them nothing and if anything ICE is making policing more dangerous by allowing poorly trained officers to damage law enforcement reputation.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
Police "unions" across the country are solidly pro-trump, so of course they love the brownshirts
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 206d
Fair enough, I guess I would expect them to act logically since they have are supposed to support law and order. I am obviously wrong.
BenLeMan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 207d
Shut the fuck up, Porky!
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 206d
Etterra@discuss.online · 7 pts · 207d
So what they're saying is that the police are valid military targets in the war on terror? Is that it?
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 205d
ACAB
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 207d
Does anyone have a link? I am trying to confirm if this is real.
I can’t find any official links for this release, but it does have similarities to statements made by FOP in October.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 207d
Their Nazi account
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
Do Republicans have posters of Hitler in their homes?
Lianodel@ttrpg.network · 3 pts · 205d
I mean, they did rush to clear out Jonathan Ross's home before anyone else could get to it...
Amberskin@europe.pub · 5 pts · 207d
ACAB
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 207d
Serving and protecting the community!
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 206d
Bosht@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 205d
Fucking bootlickers
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 207d
Shocked! Yes, shocked I am that FOP would enable and support such fascist behavior.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 206d
Fucking ewwwwwwwww
Windhover@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 206d
Now please give us a donation…
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
boaratio@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 207d
Never going to stop posting this. ACAB. Every last one.
locahosr443@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
Not American.. Who is publishing this? I thought the important police guy from the area was calling it murder or near enough in the press?
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 206d
This is the Minnesota police union. Because cops need unions but cashiers don't. I fucking hate them so much lol
ViceroTempus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 206d
Then shoot them. That's the honest to God solution right now. Our structures need to be violently torn down and rebuilt from scratch. When the government fears us, there will be liberty and justice again, and not a moment sooner.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 205d
What's your ICE bag count this week? Stop advocating for people to throw their lives away if you aren't taking the same risk.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 6 pts · 205d
The more we normalize stochastic force against the police, the more likely it is to happen.
People advocate all the time for people to do violence they do not personally participate in, calling for arrests, invasions, all sorts of stuff. Why is this different?
ViceroTempus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 205d
Oh but I am willing to take the same risk, I'm just not willing to do it alone. So I'm manufacturing consent so we're all on the same page. You can't expect a fire to spring up by itself, it takes fuel, a spark, and the right environment.
Though I do wonder, would your sentiment be the same if it was your family being shot like Mrs. Good? Would it still be the same if it was your children and SO being thrown into a concentration camp to be killed or trafficked to parts unknown?
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 207d
Slashme@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 207d
Just checked the Wikipedia article about the FOP. They look like a pretty nasty bunch.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 207d
This is the solidarity that vulnerable minorities wished they had from politicians.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 207d
ACAB
MURDER!
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 207d
xitter release (xcancel)
Furbag@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Cops and Feds wallow in the same mud.
Feedback17@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
Cops are pieces of shit, and here is the proof.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 206d
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 205d
updn@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 205d
“Fucking bitches”
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 206d
alright let's add Minnesota to the list of states to try and economically harmnvm this ain't a gov org
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 206d
why, how does that solve the police problem?
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 206d
puts pressure on state government to solve the police problem
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 206d
Except this is the police "union" (puts shame on the word) and not the state govt.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 205d
are fraternal organizations like this even considered a union, i.e. do they represent the workers in collective bargaining?
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
For the cops, they absolutely get that privilege. It's why we have bullshit like qualified immunity.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 196d
gross, I mean organized labor is great - but I didn't expect an organization as scammy as the FOP to be an actual union
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 205d
yeah my bad I did a quick search and thought this was a government organization, not a private one
I'll revert to my previous stance of liking Minnesotans