ICE just needs some more supplements, then they will stop committing crimes. Actually when is ICE gonna start sponsoring shit, lucrative business idea here
I don't think he ever was. I never understood why people liked him. He always seemed like a poser to me. He wanted to be a cool guy, he wanted to be funny, he wanted to be a UFC fighter... I guess that kind of describes everyone in the "manosphere".
At one point he was actually kinda open minded and could raise an interesting discussion from time to time. Those days are loooooooong fucking gone. It's all just ego maintenance and propaganda now.
Admittedly I found him through his conversations with scientists I enjoyed listening to. Those days were good, they'd just have conversations about black holes and quantum physics. Then shit got absolutely out of hand and I never listened to him again.
Yeah I think what's missed is that there weren't a lot of long form podcasts like that at the time. It was great to be able to hear someone like Sean Carroll come on and talk about Spacetime for 3 hours and then have Joe convince him to start his own podcast, which is still going and really dang good. Joe served as the interested but uninformed audience to just kind of keep the person talking. Not to defend what it's become, but it wasn't always like it is now
It's too bad so many people found Joe Rogan more interesting than Stuff You Should Know, even though the latter started before Rogan. Josh and Chuck don't have whacky guests, but they talk about the coolest topics.
No he doesn't actually, he's genuinely dumb. Covid broke his brain, and he retreated from the criticism into a right wing bubble and that's now his entire worldview because it's just one big echo chamber
Both can be true, it is always a mix of believing and pretending to with them. I listened to him advance arguments about prez's lawsuits on media he knew were bs, and castigating environmental protesters with arguments he knows are not valid.
But yeah I am sure he believes a lot of it, or starts to believe in the echo chamber even. These people have no fealty to reality, society, the republic that made them rich and protects their wealth. They believe in nothing outside of self interest, emulating people like the president.
They do not even look at it like true or lie, good or bad, only if it helps them or not.
I've heard it many times that Rogan is a 'neutral interviewer'. So I listened to his old episode with Chuck Palahniuk. The writer of transgressive literature Chuck Palahniuk mentioned that he participated in some kinda normie book reading club, and thought of bringing up his writing in there, but realized it would be unfit. Whereupon 'neutral interviewer' Rogan began insisting that this is censorship, and kept repeating that this is censorship and asking Palahniuk to admit that it's censorship until the transgressive literature author Chuck Palahniuk said 'okay, it's censorship' just to get 'neutral interviewer' Joe Rogan to shut up.
He's relatable. He's that guy that's cool to chill with on the couch and talk about random shit. But he'll chill with everyone from scammers to Nazis on that couch.
His early comedy was funny in the 1990s bro sort of way. His podcast was hysterical when it was just him smoking weed with redban. The joey diaz fleshlight commercials are still funny to me "they put a little clean shaven monkey in there"
This was before the big money showed up to the podcast.
Joe Rogan 7 years ago... "like Hitler was kinda ok if you think about it" takes huge toke on a joint " like gestapo was super based", musk in the corner laughing uncontrollably, oh shit is that Neil degrassi tyson?
I'm actually talking about when he was a Bernie supporter but I guess people either don't know that he was, or are completely rewriting history inside their own heads so that he was always as bad as he is now so they can virtue signal about how good and moral they are for having never liked the bad person.
I stopped interacting with him and his show entirely when he started dipping into antivax and covid conspiracy hard. I enjoyed it before that. If you didn't, good for you.
The funny thing to me is that on Fear Factor he was literally the guy saying "you will eat ze bugs" and now that's a right wing conspiracy about leftists.
I still didn't know what the fuck children like you think the word based means, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean "spewing Steve Bannon talking points to hand trump the election"
Back when he was a Bernie supporter actually, I'm sorry you don't have a memory. Covid is when he went off the deep end, which would be right around 6 years ago. But sure, change it to being closer to like 8-9 if you like.
You can still have not liked him when he was saying the good things, but I'm not going to apologize for liking it back when it wasnt hard right maga conspiracy all the time. But sure go off kiddo lol
Even before that bro. Personally I don’t think he’s ever been worth listening to, but he was past insufferable at least 2-3 years before the 2016 election.
Yes but rogan's betrayal was not possible without the party forcing unwinnable strategies with the most unpopular choice, without a single challenge. None for house or senate either.
First thing is first, the dem party running opposition is multiplying this massive formula by zero right at the start.
But it was not going to win the election, much less restore the republic.
We knew being not the other guy was not enough, that the other guys are nazis, that the electorate does not know that.
So explain to me why forcing a doomed to fail strategy is not disqualifying for dem establishment figures?
Even now you regurgitate their projections of blame? Why should anyone trust your analysis of anything if you still trust those establishment conservatives to run the dem party while you are at it?
The reasonable choice was to vote for Kamala out of sheer harm reduction. Throwing a hissy fit and taking your ball and going home because you think we should be playing a different game helped nobody.
You are vote shaming which is neither here nor there.
The question is knowing status quo candidates whose only selling point is they are harm reduction, was not enough to win, let alone with the most unpopular candidate they had on offer, never breaching 30 pc approval all term pre anointation, the vp of a prez at 40 pc for 3 years.
You knew the situation, but trusted the same people that gave us hillary and biden, to run a doomed to fail strategy.
So how is it reasonable to appoint kamala, and accept her and the status quo strategy knowing it was throwing the game?
I'm Canadian dipshit, I don't have any particular connection to one party or the other. It was clear as day that Kamala was a status quo politician, and Trump was going to do pretty much what he is doing. Actually I didn't think Trump would be this bad in fact.
There is just no universe where you justify that having a milquetoast politician is worse than whatever the fuck this fascist nightmare is. And it was clear as day to anyone who wasn't an abject moron.
Typical, counter attacking, however lamely, to avoid taking responsibility. You have no logical arguments so you have to resort to those tricks the dem establishment taught you to stop any realignment.
More proof your analysis, stated opinions, are worth nothing to those in reality. Either pretending to believe dems are a credible party and lying to our faces, or believing it.
If the former you would think neoliberal surrender to fascists is in your interest, so your understanding is laughably wrong and disqualifying in either case.
Not entirely sure why you're getting downvoted, yeah, I'm sure not close to a fraction of what has happened would happen under Kamala, but, they are beholden to the exact same billionaire Epstein class donors that the other side was, and she wouldn't have cut out the rot that was festering in the idiot swamp. It would just keep festering.
We certainly have the benefit of hindsight, and I could have told any one it would be bad, but a lot of this seems like it might have been inevitable one way or another. You might as well call the dems controlled opposition with how inept they've been in the face of existential threat. The fight is hardly left/right, it's up/down. It's just the upper class knows to use the violent people in the lower class against each other, through desperation and propaganda, while they all collude at the top.
The dems are still playing good cop to r bad, for donors. Ratcheting to plutocracy.
But r's are not playing bad cop, they are playing hitler, in the open, for a faction of that plutocracy. We all knew it or should have. Anointing kamala without challenge to run as status quo against a reform ticket is beyond foolish, into knowingly throwing the game.
Arguing kamala is better misses that she could not win and anyone that did not realize that lacks credibility on any subject.
Until they admit they were wrong to trust the establishment, and outlines how they are going to change that.
Frankly it is the least they must do if we want to take the country from the party openly planning on fixing elections and persecuting the opposition and you know, the whole nazi thing.
Probably too late already. Maybe a chance in the succession, with a Popular Reform ticket aggressively pursuing a New Deal.
Say what you will about the guy, but I really hope he's sincere. He's an idiot, but an idiot with a huge audience. It would be better to have him on our side on this.
This isn't just Rogan. There's a lot of people feeling like this.
An absolutely fascinating polling number we're seeing now is that - even among Republican voters - people generally see Trump as doing badly on immigration. This is a massive shift from how he was perceived before the election, where immigration was where he polled the strongest IIRC. Actually seeing his immigration policies in action has actually soured right wing voters on them.
And the reason is simple; in their minds, they truly, genuinely did not vote for this. They voted to kick out all the "Bad" immigrants, not the sweet old lady who bakes amazing churros and the nice man who runs the drug store.
It's the Shirley Exception. They just assumed that the people they like would be exempt. Because they do not understand that you cannot build a machine for cruelty and then ask it to be kind.
The bad news is, these people vote. The good news is, these people represent a deep and serious fracture in Trump's support, and there is a very real opportunity here for many of them to finally figure out how fucked up their thinking has been all this time.
Genuinely, what you're seeing right now is individuals in an entire group go through their own individual chapel perilous moments: confronted with the reality of what their beliefs have brought to the world some will be horrified and reject those beliefs, yet some will double down and be sucked further into them.
For those that reject the beliefs it will be highly traumatic and isolating for them and, as hard as it will be because it feels like a misjustice, those who have always seen the orange cunt for what he is should bring them into our community to support them during this process of genuine repentance as there's now an avenue for these people to be deprogrammed from the cult of personality, gently educated to make them more politically aware, and help them find an active supportive role in the community so they feel some positive empowerment and hope that will act as a stalwart against the fear that MAGA had been poisoning their minds with.
For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they'll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.
For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they'll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.
I'm just counting the days until it backfires directly on them, and it will.
Depends on the democrat. Plenty of progressives have shown that the way you steal votes from the right is by moving further left. Their biggest concern right now is cost of living. Focus on that and they'll show up.
Unless the working class form a militia and forcibly remove this administration from power we are unlikely to see another election in the United States, in my opinion.
There's no way he'll turn on the audience that made him filthy rich. Also, it's not the first time he's had a "revelation" about this shit, and nothing changed.
If you ever think Rogan will he on "our side" then you're just as delusional as he is. Rogan knows exactly what he is doing. To call himself an idiot before saying something extreme is not only a shitty attempt at plausible deniability, but harmful to society's social contract.
Gosh, Joe. Is Trump bad? Does he want to do bad things? Was voting for him bad? Does that make you bad?
Don't worry about it, buddy. You were still right to tell everyone you supported him and would vote for him and that you wanted him to hold you in his big strong pudding-arms while you fell asleep. You were right to support him on air with your millions of idiot listeners. It's ok, pal. Just let everyone know that you don't approve of this latest bad stuff and then it's not your fault. There you go, guy.
"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy, but I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can't blame that on me." --German Citizen, 1946
When is Joe going to stop talking about and admonishing the collective and actually make it personally reflective? Even Schulz actually reflects on his personal error, but Joe cannot risk alienating his audience who supported it, or still do. He has to appear like the 'cool guy just asking questions', not the 'brainless idiot who got out of his depth and enabled fascism'. He can't stand the hit to his self image as a great judge of authenticity/bullshit (truly the most discrepant self image in media). So he adopts the standard comedian rhetorical trick used to build rapport: He talks in the passive, 'are we really that type of people' voice. It is an influencer mindset, obsessed with audience.
These guys are total frauds. They completely sold out, assuming they had principles before. They never shut up about Hopf's "hard times create strong men", because they clearly think these are the hard times and they are the strong MMA tough men, but there's no way life is hard for these pampered-ass multimillionaires living in their mansions, and if you took all that away we'd find out they're as soft as baby shit.
He created this. Let’s not forget that propagandist who supported the Nazis and helped bring them to power got more severe punishment during nuremberg than some gestapo.
I don't have high hopes that this will be anything more than a blip for him. Trump's platitudes will be more than enough to reign in most of his base, and only a few that actually wake up.
At the same time, it's not that this doesn't help. The majority will turn against Trump eventually and the sooner the better. The question is whether they'll do anything about it before he's gone, and whether they won't just follow the next king loyally.
roegan is just doing this to fool "conservatives/independants" that might stray from the party, its to keep them in line , much like j peterson does. and guess who is funding these 2 clowns.
You think he's starting to worry about his own future?
Every time I ever hear about him he seems to be doing more and more brain dead things. I'm coming to the realisation that he's just really goddamn dumb.
Idk, maybe if he does a little more mdma in his sensory deprivation chamber, he'll unlock the parts of his brain he rotted away doing mdma in his sensory deprivation chamber.
But this is a grift post. At least it might do the tiniest bit of good. People who already listen to him are lost regardless so no amount of damage can come out of him but he has a lot of potential to start doing something positive for this world. Even if he sprinkles it here and there.
He doesn't get a pass on his past, but if it moves the needle on his followers, good. Better this than even more bootlicking.
It's a crisis/war right now. Accounting can happen after.
going to be...? my brother in christ our ICE is the American Gestapo. I'm not some expert in them but I believe the match even gets down to hiring criminals and people who can't pass tests of various kinds.
I wish people would do thinking themselves, instead of aligning their beliefs with these influencers. Rogan is and has always been fucking weird. I like his interview style, he is good at interviewing rock stars and putting the spotlight on people who are critical of the system.
But damn dude.... One thing is that he is so into Trump. The whole Alex Jones saga is even more crazy to me. He has spent so much time defending Alex Jones, who is just the epitome of this kind of nonsensical rambling. I mean, I literally have a diagnosis that leads me to experience psychosis, and even I can tell that many of the people he interviews are completely spinning.
How can he take people seriously on his show, when they are literally rambling off every insane impulse on politics out loud without a filter?
Edit: I should mention though that I respect Rogan for actually speaking out. People in the Trump cult are so afraid of criticizing him, and they go along with anything he says. It's nice to see someone from that camp actually have a nuanced opinion.
During lower points of my life, I used to drink and smoke and watch his podcast. It felt like hanging out with a friend. But it sure isn't a friend whose opinions I'd trust on anything. More like someone I'd shoot the shit with, and then completely ignore when he switches to serious topics. I believe he knows his stuff when it comes to martial arts, but beyond that I don't care much for his takes. Sure, tell me about aliens and how a chimp could fuck me up. That's what I'm here for. Keep the politics out of it.
everyone i know who is the most ignorant fool loves to go on about politics none stop and listening/acknowledging their crazy is part of socializing with them.
People don't really think by themselves. They say thoughts out loud, and normally other people they know would give their opinion too. Isolation, loneliness, replacing real socializing with technology, all leave people looking for a place to see their ideas discussed or debated.
People really need to get around more people in their community and families and talk about things without threatening violence. Try to behave and all that.
I honestly believe that “American independence” has a lot to do with the current state of the system. Bowing to your friends knowledge on a subject is frowned upon. Folding one’s position is seen as weak.
Every day laborer is told they should “form their own opinion”. As if they are anywhere near educated and informed enough to form a conclusion on some of these complex topics.
So that’s one problem.
The next is that money talks. Money informs and money is in the hands of capitalists. They further their ends and have controlled what people thought for a very long time. It is extremely telling to see my grandmother receive the newspaper and go through it like a YouTube conspiracy video. All orchestrated to bring your thought pattern to a predetermined conclusion. Moving forward and backward from there…
What was before that? Town criers? “Go tell the people the news, tell them xyz”.
And after that of course it’s the same just with data aggregation, mining, and algorithms. “Move the opinion 5% in the aggregate in this direction”.
I wish people would be more comfortable identifying experts in their actual social groups and letting people specialize and disperse opinion for the good of the group. They THINK they are but they are not. Often times people sharing something they believe with their friends is not malicious it’s just they are stupid. Like letting me know that the earth is flat this really good guy who is plainly not smart recently did. Like wtf? How does this happen? How do we fix this?
I have no solutions… but independent thought isn’t it I don’t think.
Because he has the ear of a lot of young men who disagree with us. He's a douche and an idiot, I dislike him and I lose respect for someone when they say they're a fan of his. But, a lot of the young right wing men who can be shown reason love him and trust what he has to say.
You're wondering why does anyone give a shit about the guy who choked on Trump's dick for the past 10 years, the guy who believed any anti-left wing conspiracy theory, the guy who had a hand in spreading QAnon bullshit, the guy who really put his considerable weight into getting Trump elected while completely whitewashing him and calling out people criticising him as having the "Trump Derangement Syndrome", THAT guy, is now criticising Trump and his policies?
This is what you're having a difficult time understanding?
People like him are the only people Trump supporters might listen to.
If you ever hope to sway a few Trump supporters, this is the only sort of way to do it. Give them an out, give them a way to say "well we didn't know it would be like this". To the extent it was always obvious that they should have known it would be like this, just swallow it, smile and nod at their change in support.
If you ever hope to sway a few Trump supporters, this is the only sort of way to do
People only change their mind from in-group pressure. (That and, sometimes, horrible personal trauma). It's sad and stupid, but that's how humans work.
If you want to change trumpers' minds, you need them to see you as in-group. Otherwise emotions prevail and they won't listen.
Typically, reference to whiteness is a reference to white privilege, which is the product of a social power structure that benefits white people through the systematic oppression of non-white people, i.e. a racist power structure. So referring to someone as benefiting from a racist power structure is not racist.
It's somewhat, though not entirely, like how people born into generational wealth have privileges over people born into poverty. In this situation, it is indeed rather classist to refer to impoverished people as "the poors", but not classist to refer to the most wealthy as "the 1%"... Because the term calls out the priveleged group in the oppressive system.
I think we have a misunderstanding. I was trying to deacribe a system/social environment that people are born into, not the character of those people. What did you think I was saying they're like?
fr though, now's the time where even conservatives will be able to discern fascists, but conservatives will lose their media power hold very quickly once they realise the fascists and their goons will come for them too.
But he prefaced this with some real nationalist, replacement theory bullshit.
2:39:43 And I think there's there's a balance to be achieved. I just don't know how it gets done because I I see both perspectives. I see the perspective of the people that say, "Hey, there was an illegal program moving people in here to get votes, moving people in here to get congressional seats, and we've got to change that. We've got to take those people that got in and send them back to where they came from or do something because if we don't, they're going to keep doing it if they get in office again in 2028 and it's going to accelerate. and you're you're you're going to have to take away some of the damage that's been done to a true democratic system because you've kind of hijacked it and they kind of have. And then I can also see the point of view of the people that say, "Yeah, but you don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be US citizens that just don't have their papers on them. Are we really going to be the the Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to?" So, it's it's more complicated than I think people want to admit. You know, people want to look at this as a black and white issue. You know, if you're a compassionate person or if you're a pragmatic person and I don't think that's true. I think it's both.
So does the modern incarnation of the "great replacement theory" include dastardly Democrats "moving people" like Somali refugees into a relatively concentrated area (like one city or county or region), waiting for them to become citizens (multi year process if ever), and then leveraging that to take power through elections?
I mean I think the explanation that makes more sense is grouping traumatized people with a shared heritage together probably makes them feel safer and accelerates true assimilation (bi directional to include America changing a bit). Coupled with this that become citizens through our legal naturalization process are... American citizens. But what do I know I'm probably not taking enough HGH and testosterone and ketamine
Their claims originate from the below article, which they are not illegal immigrant. They applied, were vetted and entered in legally, yet they aren't citizens so no, they can not vote. Just the same ol' bullshit.
This is your fucking white American history my friends, and time is running to have the collective reckoning about it you've sorely needed for decades.
the sad thing about Rogan is he was a naive and dumb guy who was upfront and honest about being a dumb and naive guy. it was endearing and genuine for a while.
now after 10 years of him saying dumb shit, and other dumb people egging him on, he actually thought he was a smart guy for a while.
even when he criticized the shooting he had to call Good crazy. she was a crazy person, apparently. he didn't even claim she tried to run him over, he said it looks like she was turning away from them. so what's crazy about her? what a fucking dumbass.
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wakko@lemmy.world · 385 pts · 204d
"Are we the baddies?" ponders Gen-X's Rush Limbaugh copycat after decades of being a mouthpiece for Russian agitprop.
evol@lemmy.today · 81 pts · 204d
ICE just needs some more supplements, then they will stop committing crimes. Actually when is ICE gonna start sponsoring shit, lucrative business idea here
wakko@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 204d
Colloidal Silver packets for every agent. Make ICE ice blue again.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 204d
Are you trying to make blue meanies? Because that's how you get blue meanies.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 204d
Would make it easy to find them off duty when their masks are off.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
The thick blue line
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 204d
Cranial suppositories?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
Good news!
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 4 pts · 204d
You might wonna check why's Spotify has been in the news recently about their ads.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 204d
Joe Rogan is 21st century garbage made famous by reality TV. Don’t put that shit on us.
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml · 180 pts · 204d
Lol now he criticizes. Jfc dude
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 204d
It was scary to do it before. In a post Renee world, it's much easier.
Heroes make the world better for everyone, even the evil people.
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 157 pts · 204d
Joe Rogan is the gestapo’s voice. Joe Rogan is a piece is shit plus he is not funny.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 204d
I don't think he ever was. I never understood why people liked him. He always seemed like a poser to me. He wanted to be a cool guy, he wanted to be funny, he wanted to be a UFC fighter... I guess that kind of describes everyone in the "manosphere".
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 35 pts · 204d
At one point he was actually kinda open minded and could raise an interesting discussion from time to time. Those days are loooooooong fucking gone. It's all just ego maintenance and propaganda now.
Asafum@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 204d
Admittedly I found him through his conversations with scientists I enjoyed listening to. Those days were good, they'd just have conversations about black holes and quantum physics. Then shit got absolutely out of hand and I never listened to him again.
itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 204d
Yeah I think what's missed is that there weren't a lot of long form podcasts like that at the time. It was great to be able to hear someone like Sean Carroll come on and talk about Spacetime for 3 hours and then have Joe convince him to start his own podcast, which is still going and really dang good. Joe served as the interested but uninformed audience to just kind of keep the person talking. Not to defend what it's become, but it wasn't always like it is now
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 204d
It's too bad so many people found Joe Rogan more interesting than Stuff You Should Know, even though the latter started before Rogan. Josh and Chuck don't have whacky guests, but they talk about the coolest topics.
kevin2107@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 203d
talked*,
after I saw that Terrance Howard one I think I lost some IQ points and all of my respect (what little was left) for Rogan.
now there's way better podcast like star talk or anything else.
people figured out his formula, anyone left listening is on the bottom of the dev curve.
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 8 pts · 204d
So what you're saying he was always a moron, just was open minded and let his guests carry the conversation?
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 204d
That sums it up well.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Not just a moron, a smooth brain one that easily was manipulated by right wing social media rage bait nonsense.
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 204d
He knows better, he is a manipulator, not manipulated.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
Listen to the Know Rogan Podcast and you will see how dumb he seriously is
Soulg@ani.social · 1 pts · 204d
No he doesn't actually, he's genuinely dumb. Covid broke his brain, and he retreated from the criticism into a right wing bubble and that's now his entire worldview because it's just one big echo chamber
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 1 pts · 204d
It cost a billion dollars to shut Alex Jones up. Did it maybe have something to do with Rogans $100m Spotify deal?
hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 204d
Both can be true, it is always a mix of believing and pretending to with them. I listened to him advance arguments about prez's lawsuits on media he knew were bs, and castigating environmental protesters with arguments he knows are not valid.
But yeah I am sure he believes a lot of it, or starts to believe in the echo chamber even. These people have no fealty to reality, society, the republic that made them rich and protects their wealth. They believe in nothing outside of self interest, emulating people like the president.
They do not even look at it like true or lie, good or bad, only if it helps them or not.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
I've heard it many times that Rogan is a 'neutral interviewer'. So I listened to his old episode with Chuck Palahniuk. The writer of transgressive literature Chuck Palahniuk mentioned that he participated in some kinda normie book reading club, and thought of bringing up his writing in there, but realized it would be unfit. Whereupon 'neutral interviewer' Rogan began insisting that this is censorship, and kept repeating that this is censorship and asking Palahniuk to admit that it's censorship until the transgressive literature author Chuck Palahniuk said 'okay, it's censorship' just to get 'neutral interviewer' Joe Rogan to shut up.
kevin2107@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 203d
yes
frongt@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 204d
He's relatable. He's that guy that's cool to chill with on the couch and talk about random shit. But he'll chill with everyone from scammers to Nazis on that couch.
Soulg@ani.social · 0 pts · 204d
He has a few comedy bits I like but those are more like diamonds in the rough
pigup@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 204d
His early comedy was funny in the 1990s bro sort of way. His podcast was hysterical when it was just him smoking weed with redban. The joey diaz fleshlight commercials are still funny to me "they put a little clean shaven monkey in there"
This was before the big money showed up to the podcast.
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 204d
I tried listening to his podcast when it got big. It’s was boring as shit. I don’t know how people can listen to him talk for hours at a time.
I can maybe listen to a curated version where they cut out 98% and only leave in the part where they actually say something interesting.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 137 pts · 204d
Going to be?
Joe Rogan, you have always been one of them, you fascist fuck. You helped create this and you will pay for your part in it.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 204d
Strider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
Thanks now I have a 'fucking unicorn' image in my head.
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 204d
Demigodrick@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 204d
Come with us Charlie!
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 203d
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 204d
If the last 50 years have taught us anything it's these fucking people never have to pay for their misdeeds. Not in this reality at least.
Soulg@ani.social · -34 pts · 204d
He was actually based like 7 years ago
halferect@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 204d
Joe Rogan 7 years ago... "like Hitler was kinda ok if you think about it" takes huge toke on a joint " like gestapo was super based", musk in the corner laughing uncontrollably, oh shit is that Neil degrassi tyson?
EdgeOfDistraction@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
Everybody wants something. They'll take your money and never give up.
halferect@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
Ok, I want to help create a fascist country..how much? Just to find your line in the sand
Soulg@ani.social · -2 pts · 204d
I'm actually talking about when he was a Bernie supporter but I guess people either don't know that he was, or are completely rewriting history inside their own heads so that he was always as bad as he is now so they can virtue signal about how good and moral they are for having never liked the bad person.
I stopped interacting with him and his show entirely when he started dipping into antivax and covid conspiracy hard. I enjoyed it before that. If you didn't, good for you.
yakko@feddit.uk · 19 pts · 204d
In 2019 Rogan was what?
The funny thing to me is that on Fear Factor he was literally the guy saying "you will eat ze bugs" and now that's a right wing conspiracy about leftists.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 204d
Back when he was "just asking questions," right?
I still didn't know what the fuck children like you think the word based means, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean "spewing Steve Bannon talking points to hand trump the election"
Soulg@ani.social · -3 pts · 204d
Back when he was a Bernie supporter actually, I'm sorry you don't have a memory. Covid is when he went off the deep end, which would be right around 6 years ago. But sure, change it to being closer to like 8-9 if you like.
You can still have not liked him when he was saying the good things, but I'm not going to apologize for liking it back when it wasnt hard right maga conspiracy all the time. But sure go off kiddo lol
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Newsradio was a lot more than 7 years ago.
Soulg@ani.social · 1 pts · 204d
I never really liked newsradio too much if I'm being honest. It was meh
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
Rogan quit being fun to listen to around 2016.
euAppleHater@feddit.org · 6 pts · 204d
Even before that bro. Personally I don’t think he’s ever been worth listening to, but he was past insufferable at least 2-3 years before the 2016 election.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 132 pts · 204d
Thanks for ushering this in rogan
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 126 pts · 204d
art@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 204d
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 204d
'Rogan said it was “very ugly to watch someone shoot a U.S. citizen, especially a woman, in the face.”'
It's very ugly to watch anyone shoot another person in the face.
FTFY, you scumbag
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 204d
and roegan you and J peterson are russian mouth-pieces, was the one that whipped up people to do it.
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 204d
Once again, the sucking void that is Joe Rogan's brain finally catches up with what everyone else already knows.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 204d
Maybe he'll realize one day that covid wasn't a hoax, and that Alex Jones is an insane lunatic.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 204d
Doubtful
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 76 pts · 204d
Yes, Joe. You always were. You are the villain in the story that made all of this possible.
hector@lemmy.today · -16 pts · 204d
Yes but rogan's betrayal was not possible without the party forcing unwinnable strategies with the most unpopular choice, without a single challenge. None for house or senate either.
First thing is first, the dem party running opposition is multiplying this massive formula by zero right at the start.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 204d
Kamala was objectively a better choice than Trump, it was obvious to anyone who wasn't brain rotted by people like Rogan.
hector@lemmy.today · -12 pts · 204d
Syphillis is objectively better than aids.
But it was not going to win the election, much less restore the republic.
We knew being not the other guy was not enough, that the other guys are nazis, that the electorate does not know that.
So explain to me why forcing a doomed to fail strategy is not disqualifying for dem establishment figures?
Even now you regurgitate their projections of blame? Why should anyone trust your analysis of anything if you still trust those establishment conservatives to run the dem party while you are at it?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 204d
This is parody, right?
hector@lemmy.today · -11 pts · 204d
You cannot be serious. I levied questions about how the election was thrown by the dems from the start.
You cannot answer with reason.
ebolapie@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 204d
The reasonable choice was to vote for Kamala out of sheer harm reduction. Throwing a hissy fit and taking your ball and going home because you think we should be playing a different game helped nobody.
hector@lemmy.today · -7 pts · 204d
You are vote shaming which is neither here nor there.
The question is knowing status quo candidates whose only selling point is they are harm reduction, was not enough to win, let alone with the most unpopular candidate they had on offer, never breaching 30 pc approval all term pre anointation, the vp of a prez at 40 pc for 3 years.
You knew the situation, but trusted the same people that gave us hillary and biden, to run a doomed to fail strategy.
So how is it reasonable to appoint kamala, and accept her and the status quo strategy knowing it was throwing the game?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 204d
I'm Canadian dipshit, I don't have any particular connection to one party or the other. It was clear as day that Kamala was a status quo politician, and Trump was going to do pretty much what he is doing. Actually I didn't think Trump would be this bad in fact.
There is just no universe where you justify that having a milquetoast politician is worse than whatever the fuck this fascist nightmare is. And it was clear as day to anyone who wasn't an abject moron.
hector@lemmy.today · -6 pts · 204d
You call me a dipshit, but I knew kamala would lose and you did not.
What does that make you?
Soulg@ani.social · 3 pts · 204d
Haha both sides bad haha
hector@lemmy.today · -6 pts · 204d
Typical, counter attacking, however lamely, to avoid taking responsibility. You have no logical arguments so you have to resort to those tricks the dem establishment taught you to stop any realignment.
More proof your analysis, stated opinions, are worth nothing to those in reality. Either pretending to believe dems are a credible party and lying to our faces, or believing it.
If the former you would think neoliberal surrender to fascists is in your interest, so your understanding is laughably wrong and disqualifying in either case.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 202d
Yes because a coloured women who would vote for that.
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 202d
No one uses "coloured" anymore, where are you from that you do not know that?
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 204d
Not entirely sure why you're getting downvoted, yeah, I'm sure not close to a fraction of what has happened would happen under Kamala, but, they are beholden to the exact same billionaire Epstein class donors that the other side was, and she wouldn't have cut out the rot that was festering in the idiot swamp. It would just keep festering.
We certainly have the benefit of hindsight, and I could have told any one it would be bad, but a lot of this seems like it might have been inevitable one way or another. You might as well call the dems controlled opposition with how inept they've been in the face of existential threat. The fight is hardly left/right, it's up/down. It's just the upper class knows to use the violent people in the lower class against each other, through desperation and propaganda, while they all collude at the top.
hector@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 204d
The dems are still playing good cop to r bad, for donors. Ratcheting to plutocracy.
But r's are not playing bad cop, they are playing hitler, in the open, for a faction of that plutocracy. We all knew it or should have. Anointing kamala without challenge to run as status quo against a reform ticket is beyond foolish, into knowingly throwing the game.
Arguing kamala is better misses that she could not win and anyone that did not realize that lacks credibility on any subject.
Until they admit they were wrong to trust the establishment, and outlines how they are going to change that.
Frankly it is the least they must do if we want to take the country from the party openly planning on fixing elections and persecuting the opposition and you know, the whole nazi thing.
Probably too late already. Maybe a chance in the succession, with a Popular Reform ticket aggressively pursuing a New Deal.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 76 pts · 204d
Say what you will about the guy, but I really hope he's sincere. He's an idiot, but an idiot with a huge audience. It would be better to have him on our side on this.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 65 pts · 204d
This isn't just Rogan. There's a lot of people feeling like this.
An absolutely fascinating polling number we're seeing now is that - even among Republican voters - people generally see Trump as doing badly on immigration. This is a massive shift from how he was perceived before the election, where immigration was where he polled the strongest IIRC. Actually seeing his immigration policies in action has actually soured right wing voters on them.
And the reason is simple; in their minds, they truly, genuinely did not vote for this. They voted to kick out all the "Bad" immigrants, not the sweet old lady who bakes amazing churros and the nice man who runs the drug store.
It's the Shirley Exception. They just assumed that the people they like would be exempt. Because they do not understand that you cannot build a machine for cruelty and then ask it to be kind.
The bad news is, these people vote. The good news is, these people represent a deep and serious fracture in Trump's support, and there is a very real opportunity here for many of them to finally figure out how fucked up their thinking has been all this time.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 204d
Genuinely, what you're seeing right now is individuals in an entire group go through their own individual chapel perilous moments: confronted with the reality of what their beliefs have brought to the world some will be horrified and reject those beliefs, yet some will double down and be sucked further into them.
For those that reject the beliefs it will be highly traumatic and isolating for them and, as hard as it will be because it feels like a misjustice, those who have always seen the orange cunt for what he is should bring them into our community to support them during this process of genuine repentance as there's now an avenue for these people to be deprogrammed from the cult of personality, gently educated to make them more politically aware, and help them find an active supportive role in the community so they feel some positive empowerment and hope that will act as a stalwart against the fear that MAGA had been poisoning their minds with.
For those who double down and reject what their own eyes and ears tell them are going to become even more dangerous as these ideas, thoughts, and beliefs they'll now guard even more closely as a part of their identity which could swallow things like self-preservation, which coupled with the sheer amount of anger and fear is a violent cocktail that Trump, the Billionaires, and foreign powers seek to put into destructive actions.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 204d
I'm just counting the days until it backfires directly on them, and it will.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 204d
I imagine their crisis of faith will be resolved as soon as there's a Democrat to vote against.
hector@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 204d
If democrats put forward the most unpopular choices running as dem status quo then yes. Conservative light candidates.
If they had a new deal and loudly fought for it, they would take half the r base.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 204d
Depends on the democrat. Plenty of progressives have shown that the way you steal votes from the right is by moving further left. Their biggest concern right now is cost of living. Focus on that and they'll show up.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 6 pts · 204d
Unless the working class form a militia and forcibly remove this administration from power we are unlikely to see another election in the United States, in my opinion.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 204d
There's no way he'll turn on the audience that made him filthy rich. Also, it's not the first time he's had a "revelation" about this shit, and nothing changed.
I hope so, too. But, I'm not holding my breath.
GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
He doesn’t have to turn ON them. We just need him to TURN THEM.
They’ve already shown they’re susceptible to following some celebrity; let him bring them back away from MAGAtism.
fizzle@quokk.au · 3 pts · 204d
It's a kind of a fig leaf I guess.
"Well I don't support everything Trump does but at least he gets results"
That kind of thing.
He would still support Trump in another election.
manxu@piefed.social · 1 pts · 204d
The audience has long turned: GenZ has repudiated Trump and his regime in almost arithmetically impossible numbers. He is just following them along.
DNS@discuss.online · 23 pts · 204d
If you ever think Rogan will he on "our side" then you're just as delusional as he is. Rogan knows exactly what he is doing. To call himself an idiot before saying something extreme is not only a shitty attempt at plausible deniability, but harmful to society's social contract.
Fuck Joe Rogan and his HGH gut chugging ass
hector@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 204d
He is cynical. Not sincere.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 72 pts · 204d
Imagine being so evil even your dumbest dick rider starts to question it.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 204d
(Usually I would be agaimst this, but Joe Rogan helped Trump a lot)
whitecollarcry@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 203d
kandoh@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 203d
Rogan has said that Trump himself told him that he only won because of Joe. He is very much aware of what he's done.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 61 pts · 204d
Thanks to the efforts of Joe Rogan, yes
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 59 pts · 204d
Gosh, Joe. Is Trump bad? Does he want to do bad things? Was voting for him bad? Does that make you bad?
Don't worry about it, buddy. You were still right to tell everyone you supported him and would vote for him and that you wanted him to hold you in his big strong pudding-arms while you fell asleep. You were right to support him on air with your millions of idiot listeners. It's ok, pal. Just let everyone know that you don't approve of this latest bad stuff and then it's not your fault. There you go, guy.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 24 pts · 204d
"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy, but I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can't blame that on me." --German Citizen, 1946
disregardable@lemmy.zip · 58 pts · 204d
and only conservatives are surprised.
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 43 pts · 204d
Conservatives thing gestapo is a frozen treat.
phaedrus@piefed.world · 23 pts · 204d
I'd love some "gestapo" covered in "strawberry jam", please
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 9 pts · 204d
Sorry, here in Lemmy.world, we find it uncivil to talk about strawberries. That will be a 7 day ban.
phaedrus@piefed.world · 8 pts · 204d
My life, it is over
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 204d
Nah, new account time! Woooo
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 204d
What about corn?
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 204d
Beans are the original corn around these here parts
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 204d
Is it on a cob?
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 204d
Only in a can.
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 204d
Bathroom talk is a perm ban.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 204d
They think it's a cold soup: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/09/marjorie-taylor-greene-gazpacho-police
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 204d
Hahahahaha
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 204d
I thought it was cold soup!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 204d
gelato is a"brown" treat.
ineedmorecoffee@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 204d
Italians are brown?
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 204d
Give it a few days Joe will switch his opinion on it.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 204d
"I'm trying to find the guy responsible !"
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 204d
Fuck this "but I am not a fascist, only enabled them, I'm not like those!!!" asshole
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 204d
"I just turned in my neighbour, I didn't purge them."
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 204d
When is Joe going to stop talking about and admonishing the collective and actually make it personally reflective? Even Schulz actually reflects on his personal error, but Joe cannot risk alienating his audience who supported it, or still do. He has to appear like the 'cool guy just asking questions', not the 'brainless idiot who got out of his depth and enabled fascism'. He can't stand the hit to his self image as a great judge of authenticity/bullshit (truly the most discrepant self image in media). So he adopts the standard comedian rhetorical trick used to build rapport: He talks in the passive, 'are we really that type of people' voice. It is an influencer mindset, obsessed with audience.
These guys are total frauds. They completely sold out, assuming they had principles before. They never shut up about Hopf's "hard times create strong men", because they clearly think these are the hard times and they are the strong MMA tough men, but there's no way life is hard for these pampered-ass multimillionaires living in their mansions, and if you took all that away we'd find out they're as soft as baby shit.
ech@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 204d
Motherfucker you campaigned for them. Dumbass.
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 12 pts · 204d
what was it about the promised mass deportations that he did not understand?
Akh@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 204d
He created this. Let’s not forget that propagandist who supported the Nazis and helped bring them to power got more severe punishment during nuremberg than some gestapo.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 25 pts · 204d
How long until he endorses the republicans again for the midterms?
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 204d
The instant that one strokes his ego for being a contrarian and tells him that all the conspiracy theories that he believes are true.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 204d
Fuck him. He is part of it.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 3 pts · 204d
man, at this point anyone who wants to help claw back from here should be welcomed back. we’ll need all the help we can get to squash the nazis
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 204d
He is as fickle as a sociopath can be. He will flip flop at a moment notice. let him rot with the rest of his base.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 203d
"I endorsed the new Hitler, I just didn't think he would be as bad as the original Hitler. I didn't think he would also kill white people."
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 204d
I don't have high hopes that this will be anything more than a blip for him. Trump's platitudes will be more than enough to reign in most of his base, and only a few that actually wake up.
At the same time, it's not that this doesn't help. The majority will turn against Trump eventually and the sooner the better. The question is whether they'll do anything about it before he's gone, and whether they won't just follow the next king loyally.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 204d
roegan is just doing this to fool "conservatives/independants" that might stray from the party, its to keep them in line , much like j peterson does. and guess who is funding these 2 clowns.
echodot@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 204d
You think he's starting to worry about his own future?
Every time I ever hear about him he seems to be doing more and more brain dead things. I'm coming to the realisation that he's just really goddamn dumb.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 204d
I'm sure he'll be fine again after checking his bank account.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 204d
Idk, maybe if he does a little more mdma in his sensory deprivation chamber, he'll unlock the parts of his brain he rotted away doing mdma in his sensory deprivation chamber.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 204d
That assclown wants leopards on his face, huh?
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 204d
Fuck AI.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 204d
I cannot fathom how a person can be this stupid and then he opens his mouth and blows my mind again and again and again.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 204d
One thing I've stopped being surprised about is how much stupider and meaner MAGA can be today than they were yesterday.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 18 pts · 204d
No, we're not going to be. We are. Since founding.
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 203d
I believe in someone redeeming themselves...
But this is a grift post. At least it might do the tiniest bit of good. People who already listen to him are lost regardless so no amount of damage can come out of him but he has a lot of potential to start doing something positive for this world. Even if he sprinkles it here and there.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 204d
Gosh I would be so sad if Joe Rogan was executed by ICE for failing to rub his tummy and pat his head at the same time.
Trarmp@feddit.nl · 16 pts · 202d
Soleos@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 204d
He doesn't get a pass on his past, but if it moves the needle on his followers, good. Better this than even more bootlicking. It's a crisis/war right now. Accounting can happen after.
Maiznieks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 204d
Wow, if the guy himself did not enable this crap..
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 204d
yes Joe, you are — this is what you wanted and helped push for, why are you asking a stupid question like this?
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 203d
going to be...? my brother in christ our ICE is the American Gestapo. I'm not some expert in them but I believe the match even gets down to hiring criminals and people who can't pass tests of various kinds.
fennesz12@feddit.dk · 12 pts · 204d
I wish people would do thinking themselves, instead of aligning their beliefs with these influencers. Rogan is and has always been fucking weird. I like his interview style, he is good at interviewing rock stars and putting the spotlight on people who are critical of the system.
But damn dude.... One thing is that he is so into Trump. The whole Alex Jones saga is even more crazy to me. He has spent so much time defending Alex Jones, who is just the epitome of this kind of nonsensical rambling. I mean, I literally have a diagnosis that leads me to experience psychosis, and even I can tell that many of the people he interviews are completely spinning.
How can he take people seriously on his show, when they are literally rambling off every insane impulse on politics out loud without a filter?
Edit: I should mention though that I respect Rogan for actually speaking out. People in the Trump cult are so afraid of criticizing him, and they go along with anything he says. It's nice to see someone from that camp actually have a nuanced opinion.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
Thinking requires work.
People don't want to do the work. Much easier to have someone on TV/radio/internet do it for you.
They want to be entertained. Rogan is entertaining.
fennesz12@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 204d
During lower points of my life, I used to drink and smoke and watch his podcast. It felt like hanging out with a friend. But it sure isn't a friend whose opinions I'd trust on anything. More like someone I'd shoot the shit with, and then completely ignore when he switches to serious topics. I believe he knows his stuff when it comes to martial arts, but beyond that I don't care much for his takes. Sure, tell me about aliens and how a chimp could fuck me up. That's what I'm here for. Keep the politics out of it.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
everyone i know who is the most ignorant fool loves to go on about politics none stop and listening/acknowledging their crazy is part of socializing with them.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 204d
People don't really think by themselves. They say thoughts out loud, and normally other people they know would give their opinion too. Isolation, loneliness, replacing real socializing with technology, all leave people looking for a place to see their ideas discussed or debated.
People really need to get around more people in their community and families and talk about things without threatening violence. Try to behave and all that.
fennesz12@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 204d
It's weird how nice most people are when you are face to face with them. Spend enough time on X, and you forget it.
xxam925@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 204d
I disagree with the thinking for yourself part.
I honestly believe that “American independence” has a lot to do with the current state of the system. Bowing to your friends knowledge on a subject is frowned upon. Folding one’s position is seen as weak.
Every day laborer is told they should “form their own opinion”. As if they are anywhere near educated and informed enough to form a conclusion on some of these complex topics.
So that’s one problem.
The next is that money talks. Money informs and money is in the hands of capitalists. They further their ends and have controlled what people thought for a very long time. It is extremely telling to see my grandmother receive the newspaper and go through it like a YouTube conspiracy video. All orchestrated to bring your thought pattern to a predetermined conclusion. Moving forward and backward from there…
What was before that? Town criers? “Go tell the people the news, tell them xyz”.
And after that of course it’s the same just with data aggregation, mining, and algorithms. “Move the opinion 5% in the aggregate in this direction”.
I wish people would be more comfortable identifying experts in their actual social groups and letting people specialize and disperse opinion for the good of the group. They THINK they are but they are not. Often times people sharing something they believe with their friends is not malicious it’s just they are stupid. Like letting me know that the earth is flat this really good guy who is plainly not smart recently did. Like wtf? How does this happen? How do we fix this?
I have no solutions… but independent thought isn’t it I don’t think.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 204d
Hey Joe, fuck you, you half wit idiot with a massive platform. I hope you rot when Satan punishes you.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 203d
I love that he always plays a ignorant buffoon to his own actions what a great form of grifting.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 203d
his viewers are conservatives, and "conservatives that are pretending to be on the fence" type of politics.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 204d
Why does anyone give a shit about what dumb dumb Rogan thinks? A white dude with a microphone.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 204d
Because he has the ear of a lot of young men who disagree with us. He's a douche and an idiot, I dislike him and I lose respect for someone when they say they're a fan of his. But, a lot of the young right wing men who can be shown reason love him and trust what he has to say.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 28 pts · 204d
Are you serious?
You're wondering why does anyone give a shit about the guy who choked on Trump's dick for the past 10 years, the guy who believed any anti-left wing conspiracy theory, the guy who had a hand in spreading QAnon bullshit, the guy who really put his considerable weight into getting Trump elected while completely whitewashing him and calling out people criticising him as having the "Trump Derangement Syndrome", THAT guy, is now criticising Trump and his policies?
This is what you're having a difficult time understanding?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 204d
Plus he's an incredibly influential media personality. 20 million people give a shit about what he thinks.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 204d
People like him helped Trump win.
People like him are the only people Trump supporters might listen to.
If you ever hope to sway a few Trump supporters, this is the only sort of way to do it. Give them an out, give them a way to say "well we didn't know it would be like this". To the extent it was always obvious that they should have known it would be like this, just swallow it, smile and nod at their change in support.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 3 pts · 204d
People only change their mind from in-group pressure. (That and, sometimes, horrible personal trauma). It's sad and stupid, but that's how humans work.
If you want to change trumpers' minds, you need them to see you as in-group. Otherwise emotions prevail and they won't listen.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 204d
There are so many easy insults to sling at him and you chose racism?
Soleos@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 204d
Typically, reference to whiteness is a reference to white privilege, which is the product of a social power structure that benefits white people through the systematic oppression of non-white people, i.e. a racist power structure. So referring to someone as benefiting from a racist power structure is not racist.
It's somewhat, though not entirely, like how people born into generational wealth have privileges over people born into poverty. In this situation, it is indeed rather classist to refer to impoverished people as "the poors", but not classist to refer to the most wealthy as "the 1%"... Because the term calls out the priveleged group in the oppressive system.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 203d
Sure, because when some of them are like that they’re all like that, amirite?
Soleos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 203d
I think we have a misunderstanding. I was trying to deacribe a system/social environment that people are born into, not the character of those people. What did you think I was saying they're like?
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 203d
This MFer and every MAGAt knew what they were getting when they voted.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 204d
Well all the Nazis did vote to have a Nazi leader so…
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 204d
Fuck that bug eating asshole. He's already on the wrong side of history and can't change that.
Etterra@discuss.online · 8 pts · 202d
Hey dumbass, they already are the Gestapo. It's your show brain that only just noticed.
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 203d
Don't know if you missed it but you already are
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 204d
One day he's going to admit to being impacted by a traumatic brain injury as of decades ago.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 204d
his turned to mushed from the roids and weed.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 204d
It’s telling how bad the situation has become if even a blowhard like Rogan is becoming concerned.
5715@feddit.org · 7 pts · 204d
Joe Rogan, an intellectual.
fr though, now's the time where even conservatives will be able to discern fascists, but conservatives will lose their media power hold very quickly once they realise the fascists and their goons will come for them too.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 6 pts · 204d
I think it’s a legal thing. He has to show a glimmer of thought occasionally or else the state declares him dead.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 204d
He can already scrap that "going to be" stuff. That train has long departed.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 202d
This fuck head will say whatever he needs to say to get clicks.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
Man I hate how this guy started showing up in feeds because he's sowy.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
Jamie, can you pull up everything about Trump in the news for the past fucking decade?
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 203d
But he prefaced this with some real nationalist, replacement theory bullshit.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 203d
So does the modern incarnation of the "great replacement theory" include dastardly Democrats "moving people" like Somali refugees into a relatively concentrated area (like one city or county or region), waiting for them to become citizens (multi year process if ever), and then leveraging that to take power through elections?
I mean I think the explanation that makes more sense is grouping traumatized people with a shared heritage together probably makes them feel safer and accelerates true assimilation (bi directional to include America changing a bit). Coupled with this that become citizens through our legal naturalization process are... American citizens. But what do I know I'm probably not taking enough HGH and testosterone and ketamine
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
The real litmus test is if they hold the same position, spoiler: they won't, with Trump bringing in South African "refugees".
GuyLivingHere@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 202d
At least white/rich ones.
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 203d
So fuck the headline for making me think this douche was speaking truth for once
lobut@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 202d
Where's the evidence for this illegal program moving people to get votes?
I know Fox News parrots this shit but is there any evidence for that?
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 202d
Can non citizens vote?
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
Their claims originate from the below article, which they are not illegal immigrant. They applied, were vetted and entered in legally, yet they aren't citizens so no, they can not vote. Just the same ol' bullshit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-u-s-news/ap-fact-focus-biden-falsely-accused-of-secret-flights-for-hundreds-of-thousands-of-immigrants/
axx@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 203d
No you're not, you're going to be slave catchers, you know the groups the Gestapo took inspiration from: https://mastodon.seattlematrix.org/users/mousey/statuses/115897480849291168
This is your fucking white American history my friends, and time is running to have the collective reckoning about it you've sorely needed for decades.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 3 pts · 202d
And just how much of that is his influence directly responsible for? Talk about glass houses...
Bon appétit leopards.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 203d
More leopards are metaphorically eating people's faces now more than ever. Seriously!
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 203d
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 203d
I notice you awkwardly wedge "seriously" into the end of a lot of your comments. What's up with that?
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 203d
I actually have autism which is why I type like that. Still trying to work on the "putting 'seriously' in the end of my comments" stuff though.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 203d
All good bud, just wondered.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 204d
the sad thing about Rogan is he was a naive and dumb guy who was upfront and honest about being a dumb and naive guy. it was endearing and genuine for a while.
now after 10 years of him saying dumb shit, and other dumb people egging him on, he actually thought he was a smart guy for a while.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d
Pearlmania has a great response to this if y’all want a good laugh.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 202d
Link?
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d
https://youtube.com/shorts/0xFGHpjgHx8
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 204d
It's entirely possible
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 204d
“going to be” ???
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
How Comedy Became a Dystopian Imperial Hell World.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 204d
Someone should have warned Joe.
pyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 203d
even when he criticized the shooting he had to call Good crazy. she was a crazy person, apparently. he didn't even claim she tried to run him over, he said it looks like she was turning away from them. so what's crazy about her? what a fucking dumbass.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 203d
its a tatic conservative use, keep it vague so the supporters can make assumptions about it.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 202d
I mean he's no Soley responsible for this but he is partially. He's show has been pushing the right wing agenda.
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 204d