Worse, they proactively passed legislation authorizing the invasion of The Hague in case a US official was ever brought there for war crimes. Thank dubya and the 2002 congress.
As an American there is nothing more I'd love too see than this but it's never going to happen. The best we can hope for is a extremely painful death for him
If I ever found myself saying "a whole civilization will die tonight if I don't get my way", I think I'd just kill myself. What an utterly disgusting thing to threaten. He is truly devoid of any humanity at this point.
Nah at that point the ghost of Christmas past would say fuck it and tell the ghost of things to come to just take his unredeemable soul from his mortal coil
Civilization (noun):The stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced.
The definition Oxford Languages uses is:
"they equated the railroad with progress and civilization"
I hate to say it, but Trump used the correct definition of civilization in regards to his destruction of civilian infrastructure. It doesn't imply genocide.
Lol thank you for teaching that other commenter about how words can have multiple meanings.
Also, if you're bickering about the definition of 'civilization' when you're talking about what constitutes genocide, you're probably committing genocide.
I had the same "well technically" thought at first but destroying that much infrastructure will result in some immediate deaths and mass casualties later. So maybe not technically genocide but in reality it's close.
I'm not sure what my argument is exactly; I looked up the definition of civilization because I was bored and was shocked when Trump's statement made literal sense.
Trump has been itching to use the nukes since minute one. I can easily see him dropping one on a city in Iran, and then threatening to drop another every day until they surrender and open the strait. While that is absolutely horrific, the irony is that Trump is too fucking stupid to see that the "whole civilization" that will die is the U.S.. The world will shun the U.S., dump it's bonds and destroy the dollar. There will be hyperinflation, bank runs, chaos, and a hard splinter of the U.S. into factions and likely a "hot" civil war. Trump will make clear that all of the "fearmongering" from radical Islamists about the U.S. and the western world was true, potentially igniting world war. None of this will take away from the tragedy in Iran, which just happened to be the convenient target Trump the bully thought he'd punch down on.
I think what you're describing here is the best case scenario (if he would drop one). The worst case scenario (the one I'm most worried about) is that other (adversarial) nuclear powers react to the US launching one by launching their own, aimed at either the US, Israel or (worst of all) somewhere unrelated, like someplace in Europe or on Kiev.
Yep they don't gave the balls and well justify it somehow. As cutting off the US would shrink their economy. It sucks and I wish countries would but they won't.
Trump is an idiot. The rest of his people vary from incompetent to simply evil.
I'd bet my life that the nuclear briefcase that Trump masturbates to every night is a fake. Someone in his circle has long since clipped the red wire to prevent him doing just that during a midnight Truth Social post.
This was / would have been the case during Trump I ... since he scraped anyone with at least a bit of reason from his admin in favor of yes-man following his ideology... I'm disturbingly unsure if you're right under for Trump II.
Possibly, but its more likely that he just commits more warcirmes and further undermines American hegemony. The point of the far left in advocating for Trump was accelerationist; it's that he would speed up the collapse of the American Empire. No one expected that this would come without a heavy cost. Kamala would have just delayed the inevitable by a few more years.
Well, Trump has to be someone's fault, and if you don't blame the leftists who complained about Kamala, then someone could end up blaming her, otlr the people who put her up, or kept Biden up, or even remember when people called Sanders the last off-ramp from the apocalypse. And we can't have that, can we?
Trump isnt a fault, he is a true manifestation of whatever the US represents, whatever it has stood for and what does neo liberalism and capitalism leads to.
Removing Trump wont solve anything, a decade down the line someone more deranged and unhinged will replace him.
I'm looking at the /r/conservative subreddit right now. Of the comments that weren't removed (and there aren't that many, that place is a partisan shithole and a comment graveyard), it's just accusations of Iranian bots, claims that the Democrats are clutching at pearls, and mental gymnastics claiming that this is part of Trump's playbook...
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
Russia was ‘threatening’ to nuke the collective West for ages, literally at least twelve years now. Mostly via other people though, Pu normally doesn't do such ramblings himself.
However, Pu knows that bullshit sabre-rattling is different from actually doing things. With Trump, who ever knows what he's thinking.
This is the first time I think someone's gonna drop a nuke and that it can actually happen.
If the pedohitler really drops a nuke, it's gonna be over for Iran but mostly for the US. Dropping a nuke is basically admitting they have lost not just the war but their own society.
Immediate global pariah. All agreements with a rogue nuclear state would immediately be voided. All trade ceases, all loans rescinded. Every US base would be evacuated and be blown up from afar by their host countries. The word American would become a synonym for murderer.
European leadership will still be kissing "Daddy" Trumps little asshole even after nuking Iran. They haven't shown any sign of resistance up until now, what is a few extra dead Iranians going to change for western leaders?
Its fucking disgusting, but the greatest risk to world peace seems to be western civilization.
It's one thing to be a unreliable, distasteful ally who at least has common enemies.
It's another thing to be a bigger genocider than Stalin and Hitler combined and knowingly rolling the dice on the end of the world.
Europe knows the US sucks, but it's better than the alternatives at the moment. Letting a nuke slide is not an acceptable alternative for any country in the world. The US would immediately be a common enemy of every country in the world, and even the most cynical, bootlicking neoliberal cannot go against that.
Or maybe the political class is just all lizard people and waiting for the moment to Kill The Poor.
No, the rest of the world isn't just going to instantly nuke the US. If Iran gets nuked it won't be via an ICBM but more likely a traditional aircraft or possibly ship launched nuke. Until it goes off it won't look too much different from any of the other weapons being dropped on Iran. What it would do though is instantly turn the US into even more of a pariah than it already is. You'd likely see pretty much instant sanctions across the board which would tank the US economy, and might finally manage to get Trump impeached and convicted. Might even be able to convince the spineless bastards in Washington to hand Trump over to the ICC in exchange for lifting some of the sanctions.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though? It would certainly accelerate efforts to move to a new financial regime but it would still take years to accomplish.
Maybe mass dumping of US treasuries could be a feasible immediate option.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though?
The world has been gradually de-dollarizing for over a decade now. USD held as global currency reserves has fallen from 70% to 40%. BRICS nations are implementing their own payment systems based on the renminbi, and the eurozone obviously can operate independently already.
A lot of global value is tied up in US investment systems, sure. But a nuke drop would make that value not very valuable anymore. It would suck and the world would be stuck in another great depression, but the rest of the world has plenty of functional financial systems to keep moving on.
Theres every reason to think the Russians would consider a nuclear trigger-happy US an existential threat to them and launch a pre emptive attack. After all, the US (through Ukraine) launched attacks on Russia's strategic bombers and Putins nuclear bunker which would have been considered suicidal during the Cold War
Not immediately with Iran, but even if it would be a singular nuclear strike without any reaction, it would cross maybe the only real red line that still exists in international relation; Russia might then use nukes in Ukraine, or China in Taiwan, even if only for the EMP or to sink a fleet of ships at once. It will cause a dam to break regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
I’m with you on Russia but I don’t think the PLA would consider nuking Taiwan. They ideologically consider everyone on the island to be Chinese and they also certainly don’t want to blow it to ashes just to have to rebuild it from scratch.
IMO the wind is blowing toward a political reunification where China takes it without a shot. The opposition party is already pushing that and the US is not a stable or reliable enough ally at this point for them credibly rely on if China actually invades.
Not on the island but if the US now starts using tactical nukes in Iran, the nuclear power China would seriously consider its own tactical nuclear use cases - after all what's the value in being a nuclear power if it's a forgone conclusion that you won't use them. Doubly so should the US prove it's willingness to use tactical nukes now, as China would then need to expect that nukes might be used against them too, should it come to a military exchange with the US over Taiwan. It's mutually assured destruction, but instead of destroying cities with ICBMs you sink each other's aircraft carriers with smaller nukes.
Regarding Taiwan itself, I think there would be valid use cases, especially for the massive EMPs given off by nukes detonated in the atmosphere. They can disable an army of drones and most civilian communication systems all at once, which seems like a very solid first strike move if you don't want to destroy the country but cause enough disruption to allow an invasion force to land.
I'm not a military strategist though, so no guarantees on any of this.
As I said, I completely agree regarding the island itself. I see that even the atmospheric use might be unrealistic there.
But if the US establishes that the use of tactical nukes is acceptable, I doubt they'd have the same qualms when it comes to ships or drones of the US Navy.
I don't think Iran has nukes, and every other country will probably be very careful about dropping a nuke in the US. Maybe some rogue country would drop one to israel but I'm not sure this would happen becaues of MAD.
I think Russia would sell any ally to Satan for a single piece of bubble gum, if it felt like blowing bubbles. But they wouldn't let the crisis go to waste either, that's for damn sure.
Iran can however launch everything they have at the gulf states and israel, destroying all of their desalination plants and oil production and basically wiping them off the map and turbofucking the global economy into something worse than the great depression. They've been holding back so far, but if they get nuked they may as well just pull the trigger.
China has pretty clearly shown they are staying out of it. I also doubt Russia would fire at America over Iran. Although I’d wager they would nuke Ukraine given that the US just normalized it.
This is a pretty straightforward declaration of genocidal intent. If the Americans bomb civilian infrastructure, there is a credible case for accusing them of Genocide in the Hague.
What recent months have thaught us is that there are only two types of Americans: those that will actively fuck over the world and those that will them.
Trump cannot be undone by Americans, because they all either actively or passively support and enable him. The only possible solution is foreign intervention. Since European leaders are just as useless as the Americans and the Chinese have their own insane imperialist ambitions, I guess we're all shit out of luck.
Dude, your governement is verbatim (!) talking about killing whole civilzations.
The ratio of Americans that would take the risk of imporisonment or individual harm VS Americans that will risk their lives and die for killing babies (for no apparent reason) basically remains 0 : ∞.
It's the most armed and violent country in the civilzed world and still it remains perfectly safe to be an operative of the fucking apocalypse.
He will wake up tomorrow, and forget all about the veiled nuke threats he made a day before.
Tonight both US and Israel will likely hit harder (compared to what we already witnessed before), leaving a long trail of death (of civilians) and destruction of civilian properties and infras.
Tomorrow the pedo president will claim he sent Iran to stone age, and (again) proclaim victory in this war.
He’s just been itching to use a nuke since his first term. He has talked about it, joked, even suggested it might be on the table. Let history be your guide, this asshole has a pattern. I’m scared as hell.
I actually think the guy is just old man wants to see war time stuff he thinks is tough happen while he is alive and thinks history books will really remember his name if he dropped a nuke.
He wants heaven and heaven to him is everyone knowing his name.
The Persian civilization has existed since like 500BC when most of Europe was still nomadic and the Roman Empire was still centuries away, and this buffoon thinks he can do something about it? the desperation of being a loser, the audacity of being ignorant, or both
Hiroshima and Nagasaki still exist. A nuclear bombardment powerful enough to kill everyone in Iran would almost certainly be enough that Iran would be only one of many cultures instantly erased.
The US never had the stated goal to wipe those cities off the planet. This guy is a lunatic and will use far more than 1 nuke. He doesn't care about consequences or the effects spreading to surrounding nations. It's best to assume those making the calls are shortsighted and will do anything to meet immediate short term goals.
Imagine if every city in Japan was hit at once. Would those 2 cities have been rebuilt?
Also let's not forget those bombs used in WW2 are a fraction of the strength of modern nukes.
That's not how radiation spreads. It will be bad for the surrounding countries, but modern bombs were designed to have lower radiation. Mostly so troops can go and occupy shortly afterwards. Plus the mountainous geography of Iran will contain a lot of the radiation.
Then there's the question do you have to kill all 90 million? If they destroyed all cities over 100,000 that effectively ends the society overnight. It's not the full 90 million, but there's nothing left to rebuild with.
That alone limits the number of bombs dropped.
Plus we're still forgetting that a deranged lunatic is in charge.
Su;pposing they do that, Iran still has missile launchers and missile production in hardened underground bunkers. They won't get them all. As soon as the nukes go off, and for quite a while after, the missiles will continue to strike at every target Iran has been holding out on: desalination plants and oil/gas production facilities. Israel and the gulf states will be destroyed.
A plurality of the world's oil and half the world's fertilizer comes from the middle east so we will have a global depression and a global famine. We will all go down together.
I’m not saying this is unlikely, I just think he’s blood drunk enough to do it. Our understanding of the effects of dozens of modern nuclear bombs on an urban center is theoretical, thankfully, but even with Iran's geography, it’s going to cause huge problems with oil production, causing downstream food distribution issues etc.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
I don’t think you can do enough damage to the people that there’s no Iranian (or Persian) state in 100 years without damaging the rest of the world irreparably. It’s not 100% clear what the death of a civilization entails, but it feels closer to wiping out the culture to me than destroying the big cities.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
Okay this one is fun and much more my area of expertise. You're getting at the core because it is something that is very difficult to determine. The Roman Empire is a great example, we can talk about just the west for now. Roman Britain was abandoned by the Roman's, and yet archaeological evidence shows that they still tried to live like Romans or at least the elites did. Historical records show a clear point at which the Roman Empire left, but when did the elites and people stop considering themselves Roman? They did eventually stop, and that was due to being cut-off from the empire.
Then you can look at the Bronze age collapse where whole civilizations just ceased to exist. Certainly the people persisted, but few states survived in tact. People still lived their but their civilizations ceased. They spoke the same languages still, but many cities across the Mediterranean region stop inhabited. By the time written record returned new states had formed and material culture changed. We know logically the people themselves existed in continuity but their societies ceased.
Maybe this is getting to into the weeds and not appropriate here, but this is my field and I've dedicated a lot of time to it. So the short answer is it is nearly impossible to draw a line, but societies do collapse even when the people persist
Radiation typically spreads through weather as its lifted into the atmosphere. Mountains notably break-up and can contain weather fronts. It will also inhibit the aresolization of radioactive dust.
Look into how mountains impact weather and the movement of air. I'm not claiming it will 100% contain radiation spread but it will help limit it.
Remember it is a function of time as radiation naturally decays over time. This isn't Chernobyl, nukes are designed around isotopes that degrade faster.
But yeah Pakistan and Russia would likely feel the effects to some degree. Is Saudi Arabia a nuclear state? They would feel it too.
I for one am very thankful for our beautiful Democratic Party, which while all this craziness has entered a fever pitch, they have been loudly and boldly speaking out against this every minute of the day and not focusing on unimportant matters like trying to trash talk Hasan Piker and taking personal vacations to the beach.
Unfortunately Iran isn't the good guy in the war either. I hate to think of the environmental impact blowing up so much fossil fuel infrastructure is causing. Blowing up the LNG plant alone released a horrendous amount of greenhouse gases.
The US and Israel started this and now have put Iran on "death ground". So them doing anything they can for regime survival, and after Trump's genocidal language, civilizational survival is ...understandable. It's grimdark, yes, but there is no "both sides" here.
Low key concerned he’s gonna try to use nukes tonight
Lets look at the repercussions of that;
Next day global stock markets drop to near zero, combine that with runs on all banks as everyone tries to get to cash at the same time.
All countries stop doing business or trade with US government and US companies.
All countries nationalize their own oil production and refuse to sell any to the US or the open market (if there even is one).
Global depression / famine follows lasting at least a decade, while other regional conflicts turn into full blown wars, dragging most other nearby countries into them (literal world war 3).
Im not sure why trump thinks threatening to destroy or nuke Iran will somehow stabilize the region or the globe, it will do the exact opposite
There are multiple accounts and articles indicating that orangeboi has wanted to throw some nukes around since the beginning of his first stint. And now all the adults and career professionals in places where they could stop him have been replaced with sycophants. So idk, man, feels like a lot more of a roll of the dice than it should be.
Also, why do people keep insisting that orangeboi is governed by any semblance of a rational framework? He’s not. He’s demonstrably not. Stop sanewashing this shit.
If these are my last words on the public internet, I would like to say that Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, while crossing the boundary of what can be considered tasteful, is a pretty funny series.
Way to go, Trump. Now, no country will even think about helping you with your military adventurism, if you're talking about dropping nukes or otherwise planning to murder scores of civilians.
Some of them realized too late that there is no plan to "liberate" Iran after they bombed the girl's school, but a lot of them are still raving gusano nazis.
There is nevertheless a lesson: never let a diasporoid talk to you about their lived experiences. When the famines hit because of the global fertilizer shortage, make sure you cannibalize an Iranian monarchist or a miami Cuban first
I wont bow my head in disgrace, I didn't vote for him and I did everything I could to dissuade others from voting for him. Those that voted for him need to be publicly outed and force them to pay for their crime.
You need to make a cleansing in your country when (if) this all ends. And I don't mean just giving them a soft slap because they were "bad boys". People responsible of this can't vote again, they can't participate in public life again. If the pedohitler goes on and does what we all fear he might, your country will be responsible of millions of civilian deaths. The people who put him in power don't deserve to be treated as humans.
Some apostates are still in iran. Not all of them landed lucrative projects in regime change think-tanks. This is why I don't trust America and its eager bloodthirsty soldiers to liberate any of my cities. For warmongers, war is just a way to quell boredom and to sacrifice civilian lives in the name of pretentious logic.
It's a 4-D chess move. We couldn't stop Iran from killing it's civilian population by waging war against their government, so we'll just eradicate the civilian population so the government can't kill any more of them.
This war strategy brought to you by Chat-GPT, unprecedented brain drain in the government/military, and the U.S. electorate failing an open book test by electing the dumbest, least stable man alive for a second term.
Please ignore if Trump has come up with a new excuse for starting this war in the first place. It's hard to keep up but I think that's the latest reasoning before they just gave up on retroactively manufacturing a coherent pretext.
Low (10-15%), which is still higher than in "normal" times. Truth is, the elites around him don't want the world to end while there's still something left in it for them to exploit. They'll likely stop him in time if it ever comes to this point. However, it isn't guaranteed.
and the judgment given to Croesus by each of the two oracles was the same, to wit, that if he should send an army against the Persians he would destroy a great empire.
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FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 190 pts · 137d
It's called genocide.
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 137d
That word is too large for anyone in maga to know what it means
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
I know. But the alternative is education camps.
Redditsux@lemmy.world · 154 pts · 137d
If the stupid US laws don't persecute this war criminal, international court should. There's more than enough evidence.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 113 pts · 137d
Too bad the US doesn't recognize the ICC, for obvious reasons
assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works · 114 pts · 137d
Worse, they proactively passed legislation authorizing the invasion of The Hague in case a US official was ever brought there for war crimes. Thank dubya and the 2002 congress.
TuringCompleteSocialist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
Let them try
KC_Royalz@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 137d
As an American there is nothing more I'd love too see than this but it's never going to happen. The best we can hope for is a extremely painful death for him
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 14 pts · 137d
He should be unalived.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 136d
Oh fuck off with that. You can say killed.
Triumph@fedia.io · 3 pts · 137d
Persecute, prosecute; toMAYto, toMAHto
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 137d
You forgot one,
Persecute, prosecute, execute
Triumph@fedia.io · 4 pts · 137d
I forgot about Dre.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 136d
Nothing comes out when you move your lips but a bunch of gibberish
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
“Anything with an ‘o’ is Spanish, we're taking it away.”
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 140 pts · 137d
If I ever found myself saying "a whole civilization will die tonight if I don't get my way", I think I'd just kill myself. What an utterly disgusting thing to threaten. He is truly devoid of any humanity at this point.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 137d
By that point you might need the ghost of christmas past to show a younger you your future
DoucheBagMcSwag@piefed.social · 3 pts · 136d
Nah at that point the ghost of Christmas past would say fuck it and tell the ghost of things to come to just take his unredeemable soul from his mortal coil
datavoid@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 136d
I'll only negotiate with the ghost of christmas yet to come
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 136d
And when the ghost of Christmas future comes to visit and show him his tombstone, he will be unfazed because he cannot read.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 3 pts · 137d
He has a fucked up mind. The only thing he gets is getting his own way.
skeezix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
Over on /conservative it’s Biden’s fault he has to annihilate a civilisation
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 136d
Lol what pathetic assholes
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 137d
Openly and directly threatening genocide.
BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world · -57 pts · 137d
The definition Oxford Languages uses is:
I hate to say it, but Trump used the correct definition of civilization in regards to his destruction of civilian infrastructure. It doesn't imply genocide.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 137d
That's not the meaning of civilization he's using.
The Oxford Learners Dictionary you used also defines one of the meanings as
That's the definition he's using, and it's definitely genocide.
dipcart@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 136d
Lol thank you for teaching that other commenter about how words can have multiple meanings.
Also, if you're bickering about the definition of 'civilization' when you're talking about what constitutes genocide, you're probably committing genocide.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 136d
Infrastructure can't "die". He's taking about people, their culture, and everything that makes them who they are. He's not talking about bridges.
abaddon@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 137d
I had the same "well technically" thought at first but destroying that much infrastructure will result in some immediate deaths and mass casualties later. So maybe not technically genocide but in reality it's close.
BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world · -22 pts · 137d
I'm not sure what my argument is exactly; I looked up the definition of civilization because I was bored and was shocked when Trump's statement made literal sense.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 137d
That's because anything coherent from him wasn't written by him.
You'd think they'd do a better job managing him like they did with Reagan
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
But there are multiple definitions and he meant another one
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 136d
He's referring to the Iranian civilization.
socsa@piefed.social · 86 pts · 137d
Trump will nuke Iran, and the trolls on here will still insist Kamala would have done the same thing.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 137d
Trump has been itching to use the nukes since minute one. I can easily see him dropping one on a city in Iran, and then threatening to drop another every day until they surrender and open the strait. While that is absolutely horrific, the irony is that Trump is too fucking stupid to see that the "whole civilization" that will die is the U.S.. The world will shun the U.S., dump it's bonds and destroy the dollar. There will be hyperinflation, bank runs, chaos, and a hard splinter of the U.S. into factions and likely a "hot" civil war. Trump will make clear that all of the "fearmongering" from radical Islamists about the U.S. and the western world was true, potentially igniting world war. None of this will take away from the tragedy in Iran, which just happened to be the convenient target Trump the bully thought he'd punch down on.
coyootje@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 137d
I think what you're describing here is the best case scenario (if he would drop one). The worst case scenario (the one I'm most worried about) is that other (adversarial) nuclear powers react to the US launching one by launching their own, aimed at either the US, Israel or (worst of all) somewhere unrelated, like someplace in Europe or on Kiev.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 137d
That is very much a risk. When chaos rules, it becomes very difficult to anticipate all the potential consequences.
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 137d
No they won't. We buy too much shit for countries to completely cut us off.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 136d
Yep they don't gave the balls and well justify it somehow. As cutting off the US would shrink their economy. It sucks and I wish countries would but they won't.
spagbolioli@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 137d
oh yeah America would be bankrupted overnight
spagbolioli@feddit.uk · 20 pts · 137d
If he does, Israel will get so heavily nuked it will be a dead zone
Russia, China, Pakistan even India would be heavily impacted, all nuclear armed states
I can't see this working out well for America's greatest ally ever but won't put boots on the ground
America desperately needs a military coup
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 137d
If Israel gets nuked, it will do the Samson Doctrine, which is:
Nuke every nearby national capital, friend or foe.
Europe, Turkey, Egypt, fuck it.
That's been their nuclear doctrine since they'd had nukes, which is roughly the 1970s.
BTW, they learned how to build nukes, in part, via stealing nuclear material from the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
The most insane thing about all of this is that Iran does not possess nuclear weapons.
But Israel does, and has for decades.
itsBlorpinTime@feddit.online · 7 pts · 137d
And they can be fragged when the upcoming war happens.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 137d
Trump is an idiot. The rest of his people vary from incompetent to simply evil.
I'd bet my life that the nuclear briefcase that Trump masturbates to every night is a fake. Someone in his circle has long since clipped the red wire to prevent him doing just that during a midnight Truth Social post.
GardenGeek@europe.pub · 11 pts · 137d
This was / would have been the case during Trump I ... since he scraped anyone with at least a bit of reason from his admin in favor of yes-man following his ideology... I'm disturbingly unsure if you're right under for Trump II.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 136d
Possibly, but its more likely that he just commits more warcirmes and further undermines American hegemony. The point of the far left in advocating for Trump was accelerationist; it's that he would speed up the collapse of the American Empire. No one expected that this would come without a heavy cost. Kamala would have just delayed the inevitable by a few more years.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 1 pts · 137d
But Gaza tho
Tolc@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 137d
Geee shut up dude where did kamala come from
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
Well, Trump has to be someone's fault, and if you don't blame the leftists who complained about Kamala, then someone could end up blaming her, otlr the people who put her up, or kept Biden up, or even remember when people called Sanders the last off-ramp from the apocalypse. And we can't have that, can we?
Tolc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Trump isnt a fault, he is a true manifestation of whatever the US represents, whatever it has stood for and what does neo liberalism and capitalism leads to. Removing Trump wont solve anything, a decade down the line someone more deranged and unhinged will replace him.
DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl · 50 pts · 137d
World peace through extermination.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 137d
"The bombings will continue until peace is achieved" is an actual quote from Trump
rogsson@piefed.social · 6 pts · 137d
😂
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
I mean it would actually work, just not how people are thinking.
Clbull@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 137d
I'm looking at the /r/conservative subreddit right now. Of the comments that weren't removed (and there aren't that many, that place is a partisan shithole and a comment graveyard), it's just accusations of Iranian bots, claims that the Democrats are clutching at pearls, and mental gymnastics claiming that this is part of Trump's playbook...
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 137d
I can think of another one of the criminal, Bibi Netanyahu.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 136d
There is not a single genuine person commenting there. Bots and trolls all the way down.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 8 pts · 137d
Putin just threatened to Nuke Ukraine so.... I guess the late night gossip calls got then both thinking in unison.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Russia was ‘threatening’ to nuke the collective West for ages, literally at least twelve years now. Mostly via other people though, Pu normally doesn't do such ramblings himself.
However, Pu knows that bullshit sabre-rattling is different from actually doing things. With Trump, who ever knows what he's thinking.
Alberat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
I've seen a good amount of people at least saying its a bad look for trump at least... some are still clinging on though... idk...
20cello@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 137d
He's going to nuke them ,almost the same words were used moments before the hiroshima bombing
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 75 pts · 137d
This is the first time I think someone's gonna drop a nuke and that it can actually happen.
If the pedohitler really drops a nuke, it's gonna be over for Iran but mostly for the US. Dropping a nuke is basically admitting they have lost not just the war but their own society.
Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 137d
Immediate global pariah. All agreements with a rogue nuclear state would immediately be voided. All trade ceases, all loans rescinded. Every US base would be evacuated and be blown up from afar by their host countries. The word American would become a synonym for murderer.
kcweller@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 137d
European leadership will still be kissing "Daddy" Trumps little asshole even after nuking Iran. They haven't shown any sign of resistance up until now, what is a few extra dead Iranians going to change for western leaders?
Its fucking disgusting, but the greatest risk to world peace seems to be western civilization.
Fuck USA Fuck Israel Fuck war
Eril@feddit.org · 5 pts · 137d
I don't want it to be like that and I want to believe EU leaders would immediately ditch the US. But I fear you are right...
Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 136d
It's one thing to be a unreliable, distasteful ally who at least has common enemies.
It's another thing to be a bigger genocider than Stalin and Hitler combined and knowingly rolling the dice on the end of the world.
Europe knows the US sucks, but it's better than the alternatives at the moment. Letting a nuke slide is not an acceptable alternative for any country in the world. The US would immediately be a common enemy of every country in the world, and even the most cynical, bootlicking neoliberal cannot go against that.
Or maybe the political class is just all lizard people and waiting for the moment to Kill The Poor.
reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
This is something everyone hopes for but will never happen.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Also the Russians would rightly be terrified they'd be next and could launch a pre emptive nuclear strike to decapitate the US and israel.
Why the downvotes?
antonim@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Don't give us too much hope!
(I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't give a shit about Israel, and has nothing to fear from US, considering how friendly Trump is towards Putin)
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
That's delusional. The EU would never stop trading with the US unless the US attack European mainland.
Their whole reaction to the war so far was making frowny faces.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 17 pts · 137d
If a nuke is dropped it's over for the world. Mutually assured destruction guarantees this.
orclev@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 137d
No, the rest of the world isn't just going to instantly nuke the US. If Iran gets nuked it won't be via an ICBM but more likely a traditional aircraft or possibly ship launched nuke. Until it goes off it won't look too much different from any of the other weapons being dropped on Iran. What it would do though is instantly turn the US into even more of a pariah than it already is. You'd likely see pretty much instant sanctions across the board which would tank the US economy, and might finally manage to get Trump impeached and convicted. Might even be able to convince the spineless bastards in Washington to hand Trump over to the ICC in exchange for lifting some of the sanctions.
illi@piefed.social · 7 pts · 137d
One can dream.
marx@piefed.social · 4 pts · 137d
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though? It would certainly accelerate efforts to move to a new financial regime but it would still take years to accomplish.
Maybe mass dumping of US treasuries could be a feasible immediate option.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 137d
The world has been gradually de-dollarizing for over a decade now. USD held as global currency reserves has fallen from 70% to 40%. BRICS nations are implementing their own payment systems based on the renminbi, and the eurozone obviously can operate independently already.
A lot of global value is tied up in US investment systems, sure. But a nuke drop would make that value not very valuable anymore. It would suck and the world would be stuck in another great depression, but the rest of the world has plenty of functional financial systems to keep moving on.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 137d
The move to a new financial regime would take as long as it takes a market to crash.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 137d
Theres every reason to think the Russians would consider a nuclear trigger-happy US an existential threat to them and launch a pre emptive attack. After all, the US (through Ukraine) launched attacks on Russia's strategic bombers and Putins nuclear bunker which would have been considered suicidal during the Cold War
If a nuclear weapon is used all bets are off.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Preemptive attacks don't work when they will nuke you back. This is the principle behind Mutually Assured Destruction.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
MAD assumes the other side is rational. Trump is a lunatic.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
First you said Russia, not the US, would do a preemptive nuclear attack. So this isn't about Trump, it's about Putin.
Second, Russia wouldn't do it because of MAD. That's the whole concept of MAD.
You're making no sense, so I think I'm gonna peace out.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 14 pts · 137d
Not immediately with Iran, but even if it would be a singular nuclear strike without any reaction, it would cross maybe the only real red line that still exists in international relation; Russia might then use nukes in Ukraine, or China in Taiwan, even if only for the EMP or to sink a fleet of ships at once. It will cause a dam to break regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
marx@piefed.social · 12 pts · 137d
I’m with you on Russia but I don’t think the PLA would consider nuking Taiwan. They ideologically consider everyone on the island to be Chinese and they also certainly don’t want to blow it to ashes just to have to rebuild it from scratch.
IMO the wind is blowing toward a political reunification where China takes it without a shot. The opposition party is already pushing that and the US is not a stable or reliable enough ally at this point for them credibly rely on if China actually invades.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 137d
Not on the island but if the US now starts using tactical nukes in Iran, the nuclear power China would seriously consider its own tactical nuclear use cases - after all what's the value in being a nuclear power if it's a forgone conclusion that you won't use them. Doubly so should the US prove it's willingness to use tactical nukes now, as China would then need to expect that nukes might be used against them too, should it come to a military exchange with the US over Taiwan. It's mutually assured destruction, but instead of destroying cities with ICBMs you sink each other's aircraft carriers with smaller nukes.
Regarding Taiwan itself, I think there would be valid use cases, especially for the massive EMPs given off by nukes detonated in the atmosphere. They can disable an army of drones and most civilian communication systems all at once, which seems like a very solid first strike move if you don't want to destroy the country but cause enough disruption to allow an invasion force to land.
I'm not a military strategist though, so no guarantees on any of this.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
They consider Taiwan part of China. They would see nuking Taiwan as nuking their own left hand. Very unlikely.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 1 pts · 136d
As I said, I completely agree regarding the island itself. I see that even the atmospheric use might be unrealistic there.
But if the US establishes that the use of tactical nukes is acceptable, I doubt they'd have the same qualms when it comes to ships or drones of the US Navy.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 12 pts · 137d
I don't think Iran has nukes, and every other country will probably be very careful about dropping a nuke in the US. Maybe some rogue country would drop one to israel but I'm not sure this would happen becaues of MAD.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 5 pts · 137d
Russia is allied with Iran.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 137d
That doesn't mean they are under their nuclear umbrella. Russia will not sacrifice itself for Iran
yakko@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 137d
I think Russia would sell any ally to Satan for a single piece of bubble gum, if it felt like blowing bubbles. But they wouldn't let the crisis go to waste either, that's for damn sure.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 11 pts · 137d
But while Putin is evil, he's not Trump-levels of dumb, so he understands the risk of going nuclear against someone Trump-levels of dumb.
Protoknuckles@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 137d
Yeah, but he's old too. Might want to do it before he dies.
Ontimp@feddit.org · 3 pts · 137d
They would not risk an escalation over Iran that would hurt the Russian heartland.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 137d
You misunderstand MAD. That applies between nuclear states. No one will be rushing to launch retaliatory nukes on Iran's behalf.
Still fucked, and who knows maybe they have something capable of hitting Israel
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 137d
Who would fire back? Iran doesn’t have nukes.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 137d
Iran can however launch everything they have at the gulf states and israel, destroying all of their desalination plants and oil production and basically wiping them off the map and turbofucking the global economy into something worse than the great depression. They've been holding back so far, but if they get nuked they may as well just pull the trigger.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 137d
Hadn’t considered that. Doubt Trump has either.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 137d
Now look up how much of the world's fertilizer comes from the middle east.
Substance_P@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
I don't know, maybe Russia, China and if there is mass global destabilization India, Pakistan, and North Korea could get trigger happy.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 137d
China has pretty clearly shown they are staying out of it. I also doubt Russia would fire at America over Iran. Although I’d wager they would nuke Ukraine given that the US just normalized it.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
MAD is when the other country can nuke you back. That doesn't exist here. (As far as everyone knows.)
quips@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 137d
Someone does not know what he is talking about. This is not the 60’s.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 137d
Are fallout shelters going to make a comeback?
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 137d
This is a pretty straightforward declaration of genocidal intent. If the Americans bomb civilian infrastructure, there is a credible case for accusing them of Genocide in the Hague.
EDIT: Historian Timothy Snyder also identified it as such, pointing that this creates legal liabilities up and down the American state: https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-president-speaks-genocide
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 137d
There is but then what?
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 137d
Iran continues to hit back, making us presence in the middle east untenable. israel is destroyed.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 137d
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 137d
one would also hope the military would not follow such blatantly illegals orders.. but my hope on that is dwindling
SupahRevs@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 137d
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/03/military-officials-ousted-retired-trump-hegseth They are purging people from leadership roles in the military.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 137d
Good people don’t join an imperialist army.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 137d
One of the House reps just put in a resolution to impeach Hegseth, so there's that.
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip · -5 pts · 137d
What recent months have thaught us is that there are only two types of Americans: those that will actively fuck over the world and those that will them.
Trump cannot be undone by Americans, because they all either actively or passively support and enable him. The only possible solution is foreign intervention. Since European leaders are just as useless as the Americans and the Chinese have their own insane imperialist ambitions, I guess we're all shit out of luck.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 137d
The number of people joined the latest "No King" protest march across States draws a very different picture though.
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 137d
Dude, your governement is verbatim (!) talking about killing whole civilzations.
The ratio of Americans that would take the risk of imporisonment or individual harm VS Americans that will risk their lives and die for killing babies (for no apparent reason) basically remains 0 : ∞.
It's the most armed and violent country in the civilzed world and still it remains perfectly safe to be an operative of the fucking apocalypse.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 136d
Not sure if it will make a difference to you if I say that I'm not from USA.
Also, the pedo became president on the back of promise to end getting involved in forever foreign war.
The current sequence of events ran contrary to such promise, and many of die-hard MAGA fans are jumping the ship[1].
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/apr/07/government-shutdown-congress-house-of-representatives-donald-trump-republicans-democrats-ice-us-politics-latest-updates-news
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 136d
Yes, in the sense that I find it mindboggling that anyone outside the US would be impressed with Trump's domestic opposition.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 137d
This is the man who wanted to nuke a hurricane. He'd love an opportunity to use that shit on people.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 137d
He will wake up tomorrow, and forget all about the veiled nuke threats he made a day before.
Tonight both US and Israel will likely hit harder (compared to what we already witnessed before), leaving a long trail of death (of civilians) and destruction of civilian properties and infras.
Tomorrow the pedo president will claim he sent Iran to stone age, and (again) proclaim victory in this war.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 137d
I sure hope you're right
4grams@awful.systems · 6 pts · 137d
He’s just been itching to use a nuke since his first term. He has talked about it, joked, even suggested it might be on the table. Let history be your guide, this asshole has a pattern. I’m scared as hell.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 3 pts · 136d
I actually think the guy is just old man wants to see war time stuff he thinks is tough happen while he is alive and thinks history books will really remember his name if he dropped a nuke.
He wants heaven and heaven to him is everyone knowing his name.
theherk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
I suspect and more hope you’re correct.
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 137d
Don't forget to account for how fucking impulsive he is
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 137d
Will someone please help us remove him? Our people who are supposed to do it are too spineless to try.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 136d
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 136d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 136d
Where are the international assassins we see in movies??
Foni@piefed.zip · 32 pts · 137d
The Persian civilization has existed since like 500BC when most of Europe was still nomadic and the Roman Empire was still centuries away, and this buffoon thinks he can do something about it? the desperation of being a loser, the audacity of being ignorant, or both
tan00k@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 137d
Tbf he didn't say which civilization would die
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 137d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 137d
Hiroshima and Nagasaki still exist. A nuclear bombardment powerful enough to kill everyone in Iran would almost certainly be enough that Iran would be only one of many cultures instantly erased.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 137d
The US never had the stated goal to wipe those cities off the planet. This guy is a lunatic and will use far more than 1 nuke. He doesn't care about consequences or the effects spreading to surrounding nations. It's best to assume those making the calls are shortsighted and will do anything to meet immediate short term goals.
Imagine if every city in Japan was hit at once. Would those 2 cities have been rebuilt?
Also let's not forget those bombs used in WW2 are a fraction of the strength of modern nukes.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 137d
My point was, if he throws enough nukes at Iran to kill 90 million people, we’re all going down together.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 137d
That's not how radiation spreads. It will be bad for the surrounding countries, but modern bombs were designed to have lower radiation. Mostly so troops can go and occupy shortly afterwards. Plus the mountainous geography of Iran will contain a lot of the radiation.
Then there's the question do you have to kill all 90 million? If they destroyed all cities over 100,000 that effectively ends the society overnight. It's not the full 90 million, but there's nothing left to rebuild with.
That alone limits the number of bombs dropped.
Plus we're still forgetting that a deranged lunatic is in charge.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 137d
Su;pposing they do that, Iran still has missile launchers and missile production in hardened underground bunkers. They won't get them all. As soon as the nukes go off, and for quite a while after, the missiles will continue to strike at every target Iran has been holding out on: desalination plants and oil/gas production facilities. Israel and the gulf states will be destroyed.
A plurality of the world's oil and half the world's fertilizer comes from the middle east so we will have a global depression and a global famine. We will all go down together.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
I’m not saying this is unlikely, I just think he’s blood drunk enough to do it. Our understanding of the effects of dozens of modern nuclear bombs on an urban center is theoretical, thankfully, but even with Iran's geography, it’s going to cause huge problems with oil production, causing downstream food distribution issues etc.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
I don’t think you can do enough damage to the people that there’s no Iranian (or Persian) state in 100 years without damaging the rest of the world irreparably. It’s not 100% clear what the death of a civilization entails, but it feels closer to wiping out the culture to me than destroying the big cities.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 137d
Okay this one is fun and much more my area of expertise. You're getting at the core because it is something that is very difficult to determine. The Roman Empire is a great example, we can talk about just the west for now. Roman Britain was abandoned by the Roman's, and yet archaeological evidence shows that they still tried to live like Romans or at least the elites did. Historical records show a clear point at which the Roman Empire left, but when did the elites and people stop considering themselves Roman? They did eventually stop, and that was due to being cut-off from the empire.
Then you can look at the Bronze age collapse where whole civilizations just ceased to exist. Certainly the people persisted, but few states survived in tact. People still lived their but their civilizations ceased. They spoke the same languages still, but many cities across the Mediterranean region stop inhabited. By the time written record returned new states had formed and material culture changed. We know logically the people themselves existed in continuity but their societies ceased.
Maybe this is getting to into the weeds and not appropriate here, but this is my field and I've dedicated a lot of time to it. So the short answer is it is nearly impossible to draw a line, but societies do collapse even when the people persist
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 137d
That's not how radiation spreads but that sounds like a good way to trigger some mutually assured destruction from Iran's allies
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 137d
Radiation typically spreads through weather as its lifted into the atmosphere. Mountains notably break-up and can contain weather fronts. It will also inhibit the aresolization of radioactive dust.
Look into how mountains impact weather and the movement of air. I'm not claiming it will 100% contain radiation spread but it will help limit it.
Remember it is a function of time as radiation naturally decays over time. This isn't Chernobyl, nukes are designed around isotopes that degrade faster.
But yeah Pakistan and Russia would likely feel the effects to some degree. Is Saudi Arabia a nuclear state? They would feel it too.
Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 137d
I for one am very thankful for our beautiful Democratic Party, which while all this craziness has entered a fever pitch, they have been loudly and boldly speaking out against this every minute of the day and not focusing on unimportant matters like trying to trash talk Hasan Piker and taking personal vacations to the beach.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 27 pts · 137d
I really should start taking my PTO.
mbp@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 136d
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 137d
Makes me glad I just passed my 6 month probationary period and can use the 6 months I banked while waiting.
Clbull@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 137d
Now I'm sincerely hoping it's gonna be another TACO Tuesday and Trump wimps out at the last second like he always does.
How he hasn't been 25th Amendmented yet is beyond me...
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 137d
They're waiting until the halfway point so Vance can have 2.5 terms.
ryrybang@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 137d
I'm sure Trump's spiritual advisor, Kid Rock, will talk him out of this once he's briefed into the classified plans.
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 137d
Seriously fuck the USA, the only civilisation that deserves to disappear.
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 137d
I still cant believe Im on Irans side in a war
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 137d
Unfortunately Iran isn't the good guy in the war either. I hate to think of the environmental impact blowing up so much fossil fuel infrastructure is causing. Blowing up the LNG plant alone released a horrendous amount of greenhouse gases.
It's two shitty countries behaving shittily
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 136d
The US and Israel started this and now have put Iran on "death ground". So them doing anything they can for regime survival, and after Trump's genocidal language, civilizational survival is ...understandable. It's grimdark, yes, but there is no "both sides" here.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 9 pts · 137d
Israel too tho
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 137d
Low key concerned he’s gonna try to use nukes tonight
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 137d
Lets look at the repercussions of that;
Next day global stock markets drop to near zero, combine that with runs on all banks as everyone tries to get to cash at the same time.
All countries stop doing business or trade with US government and US companies.
All countries nationalize their own oil production and refuse to sell any to the US or the open market (if there even is one).
Global depression / famine follows lasting at least a decade, while other regional conflicts turn into full blown wars, dragging most other nearby countries into them (literal world war 3).
Im not sure why trump thinks threatening to destroy or nuke Iran will somehow stabilize the region or the globe, it will do the exact opposite
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 137d
There are multiple accounts and articles indicating that orangeboi has wanted to throw some nukes around since the beginning of his first stint. And now all the adults and career professionals in places where they could stop him have been replaced with sycophants. So idk, man, feels like a lot more of a roll of the dice than it should be.
Also, why do people keep insisting that orangeboi is governed by any semblance of a rational framework? He’s not. He’s demonstrably not. Stop sanewashing this shit.
reddit_sux@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
Not even a single country would do it. US is a bully that will never have any repercussions.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 137d
We buy too much shit for them to stop.
The bigger worry is nuclear retaliation.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 137d
Hopefully he's just grandstanding and will chicken out.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 136d
Ah, just threatening with some casual genocide. No biggie.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 136d
silverneedle@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 137d
If these are my last words on the public internet, I would like to say that Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, while crossing the boundary of what can be considered tasteful, is a pretty funny series.
Clbull@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
PASWG is an absolutely goated series. And somehow their script is less crass than the bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth this Easter weekend.
DrStrange@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 136d
Real piece of shit.
illi@piefed.social · 16 pts · 137d
I so hate the fact that the whole world is a hostage to one lunatic voted in by stupid people...
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 137d
That's not a good look, Donald.
DoucheBagMcSwag@piefed.social · 1 pts · 136d
Ha. If ONLY Cecil was president right now.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 137d
How's he going to do that? Just more bullshit from the deranged imbecile. Just a clown clowning around.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 137d
The obvious fear is nukes. He has the authority to launch them, or to at least give the order to do so.
Scary stuff
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 137d
He's trying to bluff a nuke. He won't do it. He'll do more bombing runs, and that will be bad enough, but he won't nuke them.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 137d
For the first time in years do I hope he is a taco.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 137d
Way to go, Trump. Now, no country will even think about helping you with your military adventurism, if you're talking about dropping nukes or otherwise planning to murder scores of civilians.
fizzle@quokk.au · 9 pts · 137d
I feel like we're about to see another ugly, unnecessary humanitarian crisis.
MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 137d
Let's not forget that the Iranian diaspora supported all of this, the fucking dipshits.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 137d
Some of them realized too late that there is no plan to "liberate" Iran after they bombed the girl's school, but a lot of them are still raving gusano nazis.
There is nevertheless a lesson: never let a diasporoid talk to you about their lived experiences. When the famines hit because of the global fertilizer shortage, make sure you cannibalize an Iranian monarchist or a miami Cuban first
frongt@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 137d
Diasporite? Diasporoid would mean diaspora-shaped.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 137d
People often use -oid as a suffix to apply to things they don't like, rather than using it in the literal sense.
spagbolioli@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 137d
This is the art of the deal, threaten and bully until he gets what he wants
If he nukes Iran, expect Israel to face the repercussions
If he continues to harm China's oil expect them to hand Iran free nuclear warheads and hypersonic missiles
I can't see anyway out of this that doesn't end up with a stronger Iran
TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 137d
Blood thirsty jackass
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 137d
Land of the free, home of the genocidal maniac. Let's not forget that he was properly elected. Americans should bow their head in disgrace.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 137d
I don't believe that he was. Remember when the traitor filth stole voting machines and had direct access to the source code?
All the help from Elon?
For fucks sake the pedophile traitor even said it out loud that they messed with the election.
Everyone involved needs to hang for their crimes against the world.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 137d
I wont bow my head in disgrace, I didn't vote for him and I did everything I could to dissuade others from voting for him. Those that voted for him need to be publicly outed and force them to pay for their crime.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 6 pts · 137d
You need to make a cleansing in your country when (if) this all ends. And I don't mean just giving them a soft slap because they were "bad boys". People responsible of this can't vote again, they can't participate in public life again. If the pedohitler goes on and does what we all fear he might, your country will be responsible of millions of civilian deaths. The people who put him in power don't deserve to be treated as humans.
arifinhiding@feddit.org · 4 pts · 137d
Some apostates are still in iran. Not all of them landed lucrative projects in regime change think-tanks. This is why I don't trust America and its eager bloodthirsty soldiers to liberate any of my cities. For warmongers, war is just a way to quell boredom and to sacrifice civilian lives in the name of pretentious logic.
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 4 pts · 137d
“Vengeance is mine,” sayeth The Lord of American Christians.
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 137d
It's a 4-D chess move. We couldn't stop Iran from killing it's civilian population by waging war against their government, so we'll just eradicate the civilian population so the government can't kill any more of them.
This war strategy brought to you by Chat-GPT, unprecedented brain drain in the government/military, and the U.S. electorate failing an open book test by electing the dumbest, least stable man alive for a second term.
Please ignore if Trump has come up with a new excuse for starting this war in the first place. It's hard to keep up but I think that's the latest reasoning before they just gave up on retroactively manufacturing a coherent pretext.
biofaust@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
That's what you get with religious believers in power.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Americans have no civilization, they cant kill millenia old civilization, they are cowards.
voidsignal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
but but but. burgers!
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
What are the odds he pushes the button?
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 136d
Low (10-15%), which is still higher than in "normal" times. Truth is, the elites around him don't want the world to end while there's still something left in it for them to exploit. They'll likely stop him in time if it ever comes to this point. However, it isn't guaranteed.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 136d
That's 10-15% too high
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 136d
Well, looks like he TACOed in the end.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Taco Tuesday
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 136d
He did? How? Where?
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 136d
Not theoretically, but oil prices just went down.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 136d
He just did. No idea how.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/07/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-us-israel?post-id=cmnp78f2e00003b6sdhw1tohe
a_g_marut@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Source: https://www.loebclassics.com/view/herodotus-persian_wars/1920/pb_LCL117.61.xml
Pringles@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 137d
This was what I immediately thought of as well.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
I'm seriously curious who gave this Mad Magazine cover writer power?
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
They don't have the bombs to achieve anywhere near what that bloviating chunk of rotten ham wants. Down with the king! Down with the king!
j_overgrens@feddit.nl · -3 pts · 136d
Really impressed by the amount of USian protests against this insanity.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
tell me again... what are you doing to protest?
j_overgrens@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 136d
I don’t live in the US, praise be to allah.
Yet, somehow, I do get confronted daily with your insanity.