Huh. The chinese rideshare mopeds have a little speaker that begs you to stop violating traffic law and ride safely, but the literally only dock your score for trying to destroy the bike or abandoning it blocking traffic. You can steal 1 moped for every 100 rides and still maintain a perfect score.
100 20 minute rides is 31USD. They also sell the mopeds, 250-500 USD. The rental ones are limited to 16 mph tho. The real convenience is that you can grab one almost anywhere and leave it nearly anywhere so it integrates really well with other modes of transit.
This one cool trick rideshare companies don't want you to know.
::: spoiler spoiler
Its a joke, the penalty for destroying or stealing one is -100, but you get +1 for every ride, and your score can go over 100. In reality the company probably calls the cops if you lock it in your garage and won't give it back or something.
:::
there was a story about someone kidnapping all the scooters and piling them up in one parking lot, cops were called
i think it was in the Seattle area. In my town, we have a river running through the central space and so many of these scooters end up in the river
when I was a trouble making boy, we'd steal bikes and build ramps to jump into the river on the bikes, they lower the river for a few months every year and it was always a good laugh to see how many bikes were piled up in our favorite spots
my hometown is full of deviants, so I'm never surprised about seeing that kind of behavior
my cameras are always catching some young person looking for trouble, taking one to know one I make sure to keep everything valuable out of sight and behind locks
Everyone hates those fucking things. Always blocking the sidewalk and nearly getting run over every fucking block. It is everyone's civic duty to throw them in the fucking river if presented the opportunity.
Part of that is anti-social behavior as a response to living in America, but also if people aren't parking them correctly, there's not enough parking room. If people are riding on sidewalks, there's not enough divided bike lane.
Here in Nanning, during rush hour, theres places where 2-lane wide bike paths are completely packed with hundreds of mopeds per minute, much more than the 5 lane car road next to it can transport.
Oh absolutely. Though it has been a point of frustration how often they get put in bike corrals. Cyclists who own our bikes need those to lock our bikes up.
I meant it the other way; the city not building enough room for parking 2-wheeled vehicles leads to people throwing them wherever. In the picture, they're just past the limit and people have started to resort to not giving a shit. Spending a hundred bucks adding an extra bike rack is so trivial next to reallocating RoW from cars to more efficient modes of transportation.
This is also supported by cops coming along and stealing anything illegally parked during the night.
Fuck I've never gotten this deep before. Do you wanna go in on some cronuts or dune buggies something? Like gumpappy, the grandfather I totally didn't just make up used to say, confusion without fried food is worse than confusion with fried food.
I thought the complaint here was that you got this warning for no reason. Now it looks like you’re saying you do ride unsafely, you just object to this being detected and warned.
I live in a city where they are scattered everywhere constantly blocking traffic & pedestrian walkways. Furthermore I've tried to rent one before but it didn't work, made me go through the whole app & sign up process & payment before it told me the bike wasn't charged & didn't work, but the app sure was happy to take my money! I give these things the stink eye every time I see one.
I live in Europe. I once completely crashed one, along with myself, due to a huge pothole. Even though it's totally obvious what happened based on speed data alone, they never reached out to me about it.
Should be noted it was fully functional, just probably scratched, maybe the handlebar slightly misaligned.
I'm in Finland. We have pedestrian/bike paths that sometimes go under roads. Over here the underpass tunnels sometimes get flooded in the heavy rains.
In the Plague Years, I was on an app scoot when it was raining, noticed the underpass had water up to my ankles, so I said "YOLOoooo" out loud and pushed through. Even though the official app scoot company policy at the time was Will You Please Not Do That.
Hey, the scoot was completely fine! Received no complaints! You see, fleet vehicles like these are pretty sturdy compared to retail models. A little bit of water? No problem. I assume the scoots they have to fish out of the river, or find from under the snow banks when they melt in the spring, may have some mechanical problems, yeah.
True, they are quite durable. And it makes perfect sense. Otherwise the companies would have to spend considerably more on repairs or replacements, and potentially go out of business. Though sometimes people overestimate this sturdiness (or more likely just don't care). In Romania, or at least in Bucharest, it's quite common to find rental scooters thrown in the river. Not sure if they're able to survive it.
Depends on if you're using an esim or physical SIM. The IMEI is the serial number of the cellular modem, so one cell phone service per IMEI except eSIMs can theoretically support multiple eSIM profiles, so each profile gets it's own IMEI to prevent conflicts. eSIM modems instead have a different unique hardware identifier. Ultimately it gets...complicated fast with eSIMs and some of it seems to just be down to how it's implemented in the real world rather than theory
But in short, IMEI is a hardware serial number to identify the cellular modem, and all of the phone manufacturers have collaborated on non-conflicting IMEI numbers so you can identify the make, model, region and sku of a device based entirely off of its IMEI
It won’t remove them in the original condition they were in while still inside the scooter
Yeah...
Again, only for academic purposes, I'd like to remove them in good condition so the battery cells inside could function in home-made ebike batteries. 2 or 3 scooters worth of batteries should be able to make a very nice ebike battery pack.
gallium will only react with exposed, raw aluminum, these scooters and bikes have paint or plastic coatings, or an oxide layer on any exposed aluminum.
gallium isn't exactly cheap - ten grams on amazon is $40+ usd.....
gallium attacks on aluminum aren't exactly fast either - and you need to concentrate the puddle in one spot to keep it working, with some light agitation to remove the slag that will develop. also, it's a liquid, so keeping it in one place is hard
while aluminum is a good choice for these devices, I also wonder how many are steel because the lime scooters in my area are heavy as fuuuuuck lol. and I'd worry about aluminum frames bending with the fat bastards I see riding 'em.
Lime is one of those scooter share companies that dumped a bunch of electric scooters in city centers overnight with QR codes to use an app to pay to unlock and begin riding them
Which you’d think would need some sort of permit or approval process? But it looks like you can just do whatever you want if you have the $$$
I’m absolutely sick of them. I get home from work at dick o’clock and always have to make sure there’s not one lying down in the middle of my parking spot.
Well you see, permits can be rejected, and the time spent getting a permit is time spent not making money, so by requesting a permit after they dump them in a city and get people hooked on the idea they can make money during that time and build a customer base to advocate for them. Because governments would never apply regulations to misbehaving businesses! What do you think this is, China?
Seriously though, the success of these scooter and bike share services just goes to show the innate demand for better public transit that our cities aren't meeting, and by partnering with these micromobility companies they're basically giving up on actually providing for their citizens needs
Eh ... maybe if there was more infrastructure for them... Specifically, designated areas to park them.
But as-is, they're often left blocking sidewalks and bike paths, which is bad for disabled people, bad for bicyclists, and even bad for people riding other rental scooters.
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Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 129 pts · 92d
Huh. The chinese rideshare mopeds have a little speaker that begs you to stop violating traffic law and ride safely, but the literally only dock your score for trying to destroy the bike or abandoning it blocking traffic. You can steal 1 moped for every 100 rides and still maintain a perfect score.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 92d
Surely 100 rides would cost more than just getting your own scooter that didn't have all the spyware built into it
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 62 pts · 92d
100 20 minute rides is 31USD. They also sell the mopeds, 250-500 USD. The rental ones are limited to 16 mph tho. The real convenience is that you can grab one almost anywhere and leave it nearly anywhere so it integrates really well with other modes of transit.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 92d
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 92d
Steal to keep?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 38 pts · 92d
This one cool trick rideshare companies don't want you to know.
::: spoiler spoiler Its a joke, the penalty for destroying or stealing one is -100, but you get +1 for every ride, and your score can go over 100. In reality the company probably calls the cops if you lock it in your garage and won't give it back or something. :::
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 92d
there was a story about someone kidnapping all the scooters and piling them up in one parking lot, cops were called
i think it was in the Seattle area. In my town, we have a river running through the central space and so many of these scooters end up in the river
when I was a trouble making boy, we'd steal bikes and build ramps to jump into the river on the bikes, they lower the river for a few months every year and it was always a good laugh to see how many bikes were piled up in our favorite spots
my hometown is full of deviants, so I'm never surprised about seeing that kind of behavior
my cameras are always catching some young person looking for trouble, taking one to know one I make sure to keep everything valuable out of sight and behind locks
socsa@piefed.social · 9 pts · 92d
Everyone hates those fucking things. Always blocking the sidewalk and nearly getting run over every fucking block. It is everyone's civic duty to throw them in the fucking river if presented the opportunity.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 92d
Part of that is anti-social behavior as a response to living in America, but also if people aren't parking them correctly, there's not enough parking room. If people are riding on sidewalks, there's not enough divided bike lane.
Here in Nanning, during rush hour, theres places where 2-lane wide bike paths are completely packed with hundreds of mopeds per minute, much more than the 5 lane car road next to it can transport.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
Oh absolutely. Though it has been a point of frustration how often they get put in bike corrals. Cyclists who own our bikes need those to lock our bikes up.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 91d
I meant it the other way; the city not building enough room for parking 2-wheeled vehicles leads to people throwing them wherever. In the picture, they're just past the limit and people have started to resort to not giving a shit. Spending a hundred bucks adding an extra bike rack is so trivial next to reallocating RoW from cars to more efficient modes of transportation.
This is also supported by cops coming along and stealing anything illegally parked during the night.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 92d
I'd be against it, but our river is already a massive PCB wasteland from the papermill and other industry dumping.
all jokes aside, don't throw shit in the waterways
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · 8 pts · 92d
No it does not take one to know one, you can also just know about vandalist boys anyway
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 92d
"Steal to keep": It's the new "rent to own".
waldfee@feddit.org · 4 pts · 91d
https://xkcd.com/325/
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 92d
lol
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth · 96 pts · 92d
I mean, to be fair, at least they give you a warning. And honestly, I think it's pretty fair to not allow things that wear down the scooter quickly.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 92d
You give a hand, they take the arm.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 92d
It's not that deep. They just don't want you to break their shit.
Siethron@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 92d
Check the community
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 92d
.....God dammit.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 92d
Check yourself
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 92d
Fuck I've never gotten this deep before. Do you wanna go in on some cronuts or dune buggies something? Like gumpappy, the grandfather I totally didn't just make up used to say, confusion without fried food is worse than confusion with fried food.
Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 92d
Go home, you're drunk
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
i'm already home
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 92d
Stop using their service then?
Domitian@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 92d
You rent something, they expect that you use it responsively
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
I mean within season
Stamau123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Maybe don't ride like a dick
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 92d
Community policy violation detected!
We detected you saying words like "dick". On future offenses you'll be billed.
QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 92d
On future offenses you’ll be killed
stickyprimer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
I thought the complaint here was that you got this warning for no reason. Now it looks like you’re saying you do ride unsafely, you just object to this being detected and warned.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 92d
"Don't be a dick, Dick."
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 92d
"Removal of shoes is not allowed on a PaveCorp sidewalk. A $20 surcharge has been added to your walk today."
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 92d
That's actually fair, they don't want people trashing their equipment.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 92d
I wonder what kind of message they zap to people's phones when the lime bikes are dumped into rivers & lakes & dumpsters?
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 92d
It would be kinda stupid to rent it to do that. I think most people who do that just pick it up when its standing around somewhere
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 92d
Yeah I was being facetious. Those things annoy me so much all I want to do is throw them into a dumpster.
NateSwift@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 91d
Why? They're like so useful
Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 91d
Probably they prefer a manly, gas or diesel powered taxi.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 91d
I live in a city where they are scattered everywhere constantly blocking traffic & pedestrian walkways. Furthermore I've tried to rent one before but it didn't work, made me go through the whole app & sign up process & payment before it told me the bike wasn't charged & didn't work, but the app sure was happy to take my money! I give these things the stink eye every time I see one.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 91d
So make sure to just smash up all the abandoned ones littering the streets.
tresspass@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 92d
Never thought I'd live to see the day where they outlawed tricks smh
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 92d
I live in Europe. I once completely crashed one, along with myself, due to a huge pothole. Even though it's totally obvious what happened based on speed data alone, they never reached out to me about it.
Should be noted it was fully functional, just probably scratched, maybe the handlebar slightly misaligned.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 92d
I'm in Finland. We have pedestrian/bike paths that sometimes go under roads. Over here the underpass tunnels sometimes get flooded in the heavy rains.
In the Plague Years, I was on an app scoot when it was raining, noticed the underpass had water up to my ankles, so I said "YOLOoooo" out loud and pushed through. Even though the official app scoot company policy at the time was Will You Please Not Do That.
Hey, the scoot was completely fine! Received no complaints! You see, fleet vehicles like these are pretty sturdy compared to retail models. A little bit of water? No problem. I assume the scoots they have to fish out of the river, or find from under the snow banks when they melt in the spring, may have some mechanical problems, yeah.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 92d
True, they are quite durable. And it makes perfect sense. Otherwise the companies would have to spend considerably more on repairs or replacements, and potentially go out of business. Though sometimes people overestimate this sturdiness (or more likely just don't care). In Romania, or at least in Bucharest, it's quite common to find rental scooters thrown in the river. Not sure if they're able to survive it.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 91d
Those scooters exist in Romania? I would've thought they'd get stolen on Day 1, scrapped for parts and sold online lol.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 92d
Impressive stuff no doubt, well done mate. And how did the scooter fare?
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 92d
It disappeared into the pothole
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 92d
Oof, a cryin shame, no one down there is even goin to find it useful.
lime@feddit.nu · 31 pts · 93d
i know what you did
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 92d
To the Faraday cages with you!
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 28 pts · 92d
I have definitely jumped a curb with them and did not know they tracked this, thanks for the heads up... damn
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 92d
Use virtual CCs and proxy emails and start learning some tricks
kungen@feddit.nu · 11 pts · 92d
They most likely track your IMEI and other such fun stuff, just so you're aware.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
I started digging into this but it seems that the OS protects hardware identifiers from apps.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
what's an IMEI?
DisasterTransport@startrek.website · 5 pts · 92d
It's a unique number assigned to every cellular device.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 92d
Is this at a SIM level or hardware based?
Badabinski@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 92d
Hardware AFAIK.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 92d
Damn, that IMEI shits fucked up
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 92d
Depends on if you're using an esim or physical SIM. The IMEI is the serial number of the cellular modem, so one cell phone service per IMEI except eSIMs can theoretically support multiple eSIM profiles, so each profile gets it's own IMEI to prevent conflicts. eSIM modems instead have a different unique hardware identifier. Ultimately it gets...complicated fast with eSIMs and some of it seems to just be down to how it's implemented in the real world rather than theory
But in short, IMEI is a hardware serial number to identify the cellular modem, and all of the phone manufacturers have collaborated on non-conflicting IMEI numbers so you can identify the make, model, region and sku of a device based entirely off of its IMEI
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 6 pts · 92d
That's the plan! I was avoiding them, because fuck lime. Now I might try them for the same reason.
FishFace@piefed.social · 19 pts · 92d
I don't understand why this is a shitpost
blackjam_alex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
Is it a post? ✅ Is it shit? ✅
It is a shitpost.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 18 pts · 92d
While we're here ... how do you go about removing the batteries from these things? (For academic purposes only, of course.)
iocase@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 92d
parson0@startrek.website · 12 pts · 92d
Now that's just wasteful.
You must not waste the batteries in scooters, the gold in flock cameras or the ram in data centers. I believe Jesus said this. Now pray with me
daannii@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 92d
And wear dark tinted goggles and cover your lower face. Wear gloves.
For safety. Of course.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 92d
Yeah...
Again, only for academic purposes, I'd like to remove them in good condition so the battery cells inside could function in home-made ebike batteries. 2 or 3 scooters worth of batteries should be able to make a very nice ebike battery pack.
SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 92d
I'm not certain, but some galium would work pretty well if the bikes and scooters are made of aluminum. Assuming the batteries aren't of course.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 91d
this is a nonstarter for multiple reasons:
gallium will only react with exposed, raw aluminum, these scooters and bikes have paint or plastic coatings, or an oxide layer on any exposed aluminum.
gallium isn't exactly cheap - ten grams on amazon is $40+ usd.....
gallium attacks on aluminum aren't exactly fast either - and you need to concentrate the puddle in one spot to keep it working, with some light agitation to remove the slag that will develop. also, it's a liquid, so keeping it in one place is hard
while aluminum is a good choice for these devices, I also wonder how many are steel because the lime scooters in my area are heavy as fuuuuuck lol. and I'd worry about aluminum frames bending with the fat bastards I see riding 'em.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 91d
would be fun to build home electric storage off these....
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 15 pts · 92d
That's the point, innit?
bstix@feddit.dk · 11 pts · 92d
The trick is to ride away smoothly.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 91d
fucking tired of these garbage machines littering the sidewalks.
AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 91d
Lime are not Xtreme enough for their customers.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 92d
Is this a rental thing or do you "own" the vehicle?
(Own is in quotations becsuse what you and I would consider to be ownership isn't necessarily what the LAW says is ownership)
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 25 pts · 92d
Lime is one of those scooter share companies that dumped a bunch of electric scooters in city centers overnight with QR codes to use an app to pay to unlock and begin riding them
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 91d
Which you’d think would need some sort of permit or approval process? But it looks like you can just do whatever you want if you have the $$$
I’m absolutely sick of them. I get home from work at dick o’clock and always have to make sure there’s not one lying down in the middle of my parking spot.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 91d
Well you see, permits can be rejected, and the time spent getting a permit is time spent not making money, so by requesting a permit after they dump them in a city and get people hooked on the idea they can make money during that time and build a customer base to advocate for them. Because governments would never apply regulations to misbehaving businesses! What do you think this is, China?
Seriously though, the success of these scooter and bike share services just goes to show the innate demand for better public transit that our cities aren't meeting, and by partnering with these micromobility companies they're basically giving up on actually providing for their citizens needs
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 91d
Sir, this is 2026.
You're not even allowed to ride your own in the UK. At least not in public areas.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 92d
Maybe don't trash rentals?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 92d
It's corpo-shit. Already trash.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 92d
Don't rent it then?
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 92d
Sure I'll just toss the corpo trash that's left on the sidewalks all over hollywood into the street.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 91d
Seems like a good idea really
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 91d
<3
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 92d
I also want it off of the public sidewalks I pay for.
warm@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 91d
They are a good idea, lots of people use them, they should just be publicly owned, not by a corporation.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 91d
Eh ... maybe if there was more infrastructure for them... Specifically, designated areas to park them.
But as-is, they're often left blocking sidewalks and bike paths, which is bad for disabled people, bad for bicyclists, and even bad for people riding other rental scooters.
plant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 92d
Lib